If you're not a Goon you're an alt of a Goon, is that the way it works this month? or are we still on NPC alts being alts of alts of Goons?

We are all Goon alts, didn't you know that?

Several years back, I had a federal government job in the States. I worked on a naval weapons station that had an alligator problem- they would occasionally wander out of the swamp and into the housing areas. Most weren't an issue, but there was one that was absolutely huge, and terrified everyone, even though he was as peaceful as could be. Seriously, the worst thing he ever did was block traffic for two hours because he got his head stuck under a guardrail trying to cross the road.

Anyhow, the station staff enlist some animal control and wildlife specialist folks to move this particular gator to the far side of the weapons station, because he's so scary lookin. So they track him tranq him, and get rid of him. What they didn't understand is that gator populations always have a top dog. He grows bigger than the rest because he consumes more- not because he's an abnormal occurrence. Sure enough, a year later, there's another gator the size of the old one, only this one is violent in the housing areas and starts taking out pets. They had to kill that one.

And they're still having to kill gators there, one at a time, as they get big enough to be truly dangerous to anyone but idiots. If they'd understood the dynamics of the thing they were messing with, they might have realized there wasn't much they could do about there always being one gator bigger than the others out there in the swamp. And they might have left it alone, realizing that the big gator they had to deal with right then wasn't nearly as bad as it could be.

Story time over- this post is completely unrelated to the thread.

Highsec pilots measure their success in isk/hr.

Lowsec pilots measure their success in kills/hr

Nullsec pilots measure their success in blobs/hr

Goons measure their success in tears/hr


(and wormhole pilots watch it all on the forums and laugh)

Several years back, I had a federal government job in the States. I worked on a naval weapons station that had an alligator problem- they would occasionally wander out of the swamp and into the housing areas. Most weren't an issue, but there was one that was absolutely huge, and terrified everyone, even though he was as peaceful as could be. Seriously, the worst thing he ever did was block traffic for two hours because he got his head stuck under a guardrail trying to cross the road.

Anyhow, the station staff enlist some animal control and wildlife specialist folks to move this particular gator to the far side of the weapons station, because he's so scary lookin. So they track him tranq him, and get rid of him. What they didn't understand is that gator populations always have a top dog. He grows bigger than the rest because he consumes more- not because he's an abnormal occurrence. Sure enough, a year later, there's another gator the size of the old one, only this one is violent in the housing areas and starts taking out pets. They had to kill that one.

And they're still having to kill gators there, one at a time, as they get big enough to be truly dangerous to anyone but idiots. If they'd understood the dynamics of the thing they were messing with, they might have realized there wasn't much they could do about there always being one gator bigger than the others out there in the swamp. And they might have left it alone, realizing that the big gator they had to deal with right then wasn't nearly as bad as it could be.

Story time over- this post is completely unrelated to the thread.

We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down.

Think about it. It wasn't long ago that the DRF beat the Northern Coalition. They can do the exact same thing to the goons and they don't like them either. Let's pool our isk together so we can pay the translators and work together to bring the goons down.

Down with the Mittani.

Fact is. Nothing lasts forever.

We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down.

Think about it. It wasn't long ago that the DRF beat the Northern Coalition. They can do the exact same thing to the goons and they don't like them either. Let's pool our isk together so we can pay the translators and work together to bring the goons down.

Down with the Mittani.

You need to set reimbursement programs no one in whatever coalition you can set will accept.
Encourage people to pvp is at first telling them "hey go get killed and win isk".

What wil this accomplish?

A lot of fun. Thats for sure. But another "Goon" like enclave will inevitably rise from the ashes.

The result of uniting New Eden against Goons 'n "Friends" propperly will likely result in them taking a beating they wont recover from for a long time. This creates a big power gap for other dominant and able alliances to jump into resulting in the fall of the recent union of New Eden. Chaos ensues giving Goons a chance to re-organise and salvage (the critical point to destroy them completely or not) what is left to save as much face a possible. A few other alliances have filled the gap left behind by the goons and things will start to stabalise. But due to the recent chaos new enemies have been created and things will continue as they did once stuff has settled down enough.

Personally I'm neutral towards goons. Don't particularly like them nor hate them. Every once in a while a "Goon or friend" drops by and makes an attempt to validate it's excistance by some manner they prefer. It brings a fine addition to the game and results in them playing their part. A part easily and eagerly replaced by another now and as a result of a total purge of goons.

But even if no union of New Eden gets of the ground and does it's thing. Events resulting in the goons demise have been set in motion that can't be undone. But the instument that will bring them down is not clear yet. A union of New Eden is a possibility or some means of an internal deorganisation and destabelisation or another single power block crushes them or a combination of it all.

Fact is. Nothing lasts forever. There's to much to gain from crushing the goons and ultimatly someone will take the gain from it. Greed is a powerfull thing.

To who ever pulls it off. Salut.

You need to set reimbursement programs no one in whatever coalition you can set will accept.
Encourage people to pvp is at first telling them "hey go get killed and win isk".

According to the gospel of Lowtax- on the 7th day, God created goons.

Although this is right in front of my eyeballs, I still have a hard time believe someone just wrote a post this long about some totally unrealistic armchair general fantasy theory of the downfall of the CFC.

Sorry I was quiet for the whole day, I was moving to a new place. I know you missed me.



I live in a WH. Thanks.

Then why are goons a problem for you?

Only thing I would like to see happen to goons, the commander or Lt. Commander, steals everything and ruins the alliance.

Basically 1 person ****ing everyone. I don't have anything personal against goons, just because how big they are is why I would like to see this.

I couldn't imagine all the changes that would bring to the game.

We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down.

Think about it. It wasn't long ago that the DRF beat the Northern Coalition. They can do the exact same thing to the goons and they don't like them either. Let's pool our isk together so we can pay the translators and work together to bring the goons down.

Down with the Mittani.

Goons are the plague and they will disapear soon enough.
Every empire colapses one day or the other. There are no exceptions to this rule.
The day will come when they will have to conveniently forget to pay soverenghty fees (while heavelly under attack and losing sov) and disband like before
All it takes is enough people hating them and someone to rally them and they will fall. Its karma baby!

Sounds awesome. Its exactly what all the Goon haters should be doing instead of whining. Good luck though, very few entities enter null sec without roots as one of the original corps/alliances. I think Test ironically were the last ones to do this.

Have them believe you want to join them.

Let them see billions worth of assets.

Have them bring jump freighters to pick up your stuff.

Have Friends, hired Mercs, and former victims of their scams wait for the jump freighters to arrive. Blow up the freighters and every Goon you see...

NOT EASY......... BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

No doubt they have a lot of friends and members, but they sure as hell have a lot of ennemies considering their behaviour in the past years.

We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down.

Think about it. It wasn't long ago that the DRF beat the Northern Coalition. They can do the exact same thing to the goons and they don't like them either. Let's pool our isk together so we can pay the translators and work together to bring the goons down.

Down with the Mittani.