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RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.06.09 20:34:00 - [1] Edited by: RedSplat on 09/06/2009 20:35:07 Intended as an intellectual exercise. Not as 'Lol SB r Powerfool XD' [Hound, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Warp Scrambler II 1MN Afterburner II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Cap stable with everything running with my skills, everything fits with my skills; better fittings are certainly possible. Should have enough DPS to beat a single LAR Battleship, a plated BS etc... 747 m/s speed w/ my skills, crappy agility but its only BS tracking we are worrying about and you can happily speedtank cruise and torps at that speed w/ the rep running. Dont talk to me about Drones. Yes a Manticore would be better. I don't fly them. No stealthbombers aren't overpowered- even a Velator would kill this in seconds. Light drones still eat us. EDIT: Spot my mistake with the missiles. In any case ~500dps against a stationary TP's BS.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.09 20:38:00 - [2] Using em torps isn't a mistake if you're hunting gurista/serp/angel/etc ratters. Especially ravens .
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.06.09 20:45:00 - [3] Mwd, disruptor, small cap booster to keep your speed up against the slower lights and all the mediums. And definitely a cloak. It all depends on where yo use it, and against what.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.06.09 20:55:00 - [4] You'll die to the first BS with drones. Which is all of them.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.06.09 20:57:00 - [5] Edited by: RedSplat on 09/06/2009 20:59:18 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Mwd, disruptor, small cap booster to keep your speed up against the slower lights and all the mediums. And definitely a cloak. It all depends on where yo use it, and against what. I completely forgot about the cloak. The only situation i would use the above fit for would be sneaking into a ratting system after Downtime then logging on during primetime; and i would have a cloak on. I don't want to be MWD'ing around within 24km of a BS on my own, hence getting up close and personal with the AB and scram. If the individual is using Beams and has crappy skills thats another matter perhaps. All level 5's (or lvl 4's w/ implants) get you cap stable with the below. [Hound, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I 1MN Afterburner I 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Capacitor Control Circuit I This would be MUCH easier with the Manticore. Originally by: Atsuko Ratu You'll die to the first BS with drones. Which is all of them. Quote: Intended as an intellectual exercise. Not as 'Lol SB r Powerfool XD' Dont talk to me about Drones. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.06.09 21:01:00 - [6] You missed the post about dieing to any battleship with drones YOU HAVE to use a MWD fit to be remotely safe from drones, and even then you have to run away as soon as you see light drones, because the damage your taking from drones relative to your hitpoints is much higher then the damage a Battleship takes from you relative to his. Use a MWD. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one."
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.06.09 21:06:00 - [7] That's like talking about how a cat can stop a train. Without including the death. Stupid thread sure is stupid.
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.06.09 21:27:00 - [8] Stealth bombers are not solo ships, if you put a point on it you're doing it wrong. Use them in a gang of at least 3-4 with force recon support, (preferably Azaru & Rapier). Everyone fits damps, everyone fits painters.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.06.09 21:37:00 - [9] I'd use a MSE II rather than an active tank, so you can focus your cap on keeping your 2pt on. Since your scenario mentions nothing about neuts, I'd assume you'd have to keep those NOS timed just far apart so you can always get cap for that 2pt. Nothing is funnier to have the 2pt get neuted off and the other ship MWD off into the sunset.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.06.09 21:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Using em torps isn't a mistake if you're hunting gurista/serp/angel/etc ratters. Especially ravens . Actually,yes it is. SBs are so heavily dependant on their bonii with their chosen damage type it is pointless to put in anything else no matter what your prefered prey is.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.06.09 21:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Ranger 1 bonii ...is that even a word? bonuses is the correct form btw. /grammar ** --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Using em torps isn't a mistake if you're hunting gurista/serp/angel/etc ratters. Especially ravens . Actually,yes it is. SBs are so heavily dependant on their bonii with their chosen damage type it is pointless to put in anything else no matter what your prefered prey is. With sb 5 on a hound you get a 75% damage bonus to expl. Shields have a base 50% expl resist and 0% em resist. That's a 100% damage bonus with em. So even if they have no hardeners whatsoever, you're better off going with em over the native explosive. You're even more wrong if they're hardened against angels. Try again.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Ranger 1 bonii ...is that even a word? bonuses is the correct form btw. /grammar **** Bonii would be good if the singular was bonius. If you insist on latin pluralization, it's boni, single i.
Alxea	Posted - 2009.06.09 22:49:00 - [14] Yes, we will talk about T2 warrior's lighting you up like there is no tomarrow. Every BS has a set. If not, your lucky.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.06.09 23:39:00 - [15] Don't even need T2 Warriors to catch a SB, if its Nano fit, Valks can still catch it easily, if its not nano fit Hammerheads will catch it, they go 2200ms with drone nav 4. Any light drones can catch 1 with ease.
Tildes own Aliastra	Posted - 2009.06.10 02:51:00 - [16] haha no
Harotak THE FINAL STAND Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 02:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega So even if they have no hardeners whatsoever, you're better off going with em over the native explosive. Even a shield-tank has armor and hull that has to be chewed on. Except for a very small dps window where EM torps break the target and EXP torps don't, you will finish faster shooting exp.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.10 04:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Harotak Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega So even if they have no hardeners whatsoever, you're better off going with em over the native explosive. Even a shield-tank has armor and hull that has to be chewed on. Except for a very small dps window where EM torps break the target and EXP torps don't, you will finish faster shooting exp. Hull has omni resist and that tiny armor buffer isn't going to make a tiny bit of difference versus the superior damage of em against their main tank. And this is still not bringing ships tanked against angels into it. Using em against kin/therm tankers is arguable. Using it against kin/expl tank is not.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:49:00 - [19] Edited by: Diomidis on 10/06/2009 11:50:32 dual post ftl...
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 11:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Using em torps isn't a mistake if you're hunting gurista/serp/angel/etc ratters. Especially ravens . Actually,yes it is. SBs are so heavily dependant on their bonii with their chosen damage type it is pointless to put in anything else no matter what your prefered prey is. With sb 5 on a hound you get a 75% damage bonus to expl. Shields have a base 50% expl resist and 0% em resist. That's a 100% damage bonus with em. So even if they have no hardeners whatsoever, you're better off going with em over the native explosive. You're even more wrong if they're hardened against angels. Try again. You just cross-train for the appropriate SB - in your example, a Purifier...it only takes a week or so, and all other skills are interchangeable/compatible - one of the easiest ship-classes for cross training actually. The effective DPS advantage is HUGE, and there is no reason not to do it (apart from RP stubbornness).
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Petyr Baelich Stealth bombers are not solo ships, if you put a point on it you're doing it wrong. Use them in a gang of at least 3-4 with force recon support, (preferably Azaru & Rapier). Everyone fits damps, everyone fits painters. ^^This
Pusha Man	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:39:00 - [22] Originally by: SuiJuris You missed the post about dieing to any battleship with drones YOU HAVE to use a MWD fit to be remotely safe from drones, and even then you have to run away as soon as you see light drones, because the damage your taking from drones relative to your hitpoints is much higher then the damage a Battleship takes from you relative to his. Use a MWD. You missed where he said "Don't talk to me about drones." in the OP and repeated himself in his subsequent post.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Diomidis You just cross-train for the appropriate SB - in your example, a Purifier...it only takes a week or so, and all other skills are interchangeable/compatible - one of the easiest ship-classes for cross training actually. The effective DPS advantage is HUGE, and there is no reason not to do it (apart from RP stubbornness). This is obviously the best solution, true.
AnKahn Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2009.06.10 14:22:00 - [24] A SB can't do anything at all without help. I learned this the hard way. It's primary tank is DISTRACTION. Secondary is range. Tertiary is agility. Stay cloaked, wait for your gang to tackle and therefore distract your target, MAKE SURE you are aligned, MAKE SURE you are at least 40 KM out, decloak and take some pot shots. As soon as anything targets you or starts to approach you, WARP and cloak. Then come back. Maybe make sure you are aligned to a close object or better yet a nearby book mark so you can warp back quickly and repeat. So yea, SB can help kill BS. And that is what they were designed to do.
Dan Glebitts	Posted - 2009.06.10 14:29:00 - [25] Originally by: RedSplat Stealth Bombers can solo battleships No they can't... end of thread.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2009.06.10 14:31:00 - [26] Edited by: SuiJuris on 10/06/2009 14:31:55 Originally by: Pusha Man Originally by: SuiJuris You missed the post about dieing to any battleship with drones YOU HAVE to use a MWD fit to be remotely safe from drones, and even then you have to run away as soon as you see light drones, because the damage your taking from drones relative to your hitpoints is much higher then the damage a Battleship takes from you relative to his. Use a MWD. You missed where he said "Don't talk to me about drones." in the OP and repeated himself in his subsequent post. If he wants to talk about solo'ing a battleship in a stealth bomber outside of a Mythical 1v1 where the battleship agree's not to use all of its tools available he has to deal with drones, otherwise the discussion is moot. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one."
Thuranni ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:09:00 - [27] Originally by: RedSplat Dont talk to me about Drones. So your fit can solo a battleship if the pilot was dumb enough to leave his primary anti frigate defense (One which all battleships have plenty of) at home?
Knabe 4 Marketeers	Posted - 2009.06.12 15:25:00 - [28] a mega will eat you fast. in to close your webbed. orbitwithin 30 my neutrons with null will eat ya.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.06.12 15:58:00 - [29] Stealth bombers are good for 2 things: 1)getting on KMS when other small fleets/gangs are dueling it out. Run in drop bomb, get a few hits on a few targets, disappear. repeat. 2)randomly bombing targets at gates, jbs, bubbles. the intended use of a SB fighting a BS is a failed concept. you would stand a better chance... alot better chance in a interceptor. I would sick drones on a bomber in a fleet fight just for an easy KM.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.06.12 16:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Knabe a mega will eat you fast. in to close your webbed. orbitwithin 30 my neutrons with null will eat ya. Haha. Sure. Tracking-penaltied Null, good one. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist

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