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Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Warrio Confirming that I would quit Eve for $11k. /signed. Also.. page 2 FTW
Absalom Marathon The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:32:00 - [32] Some dudes need perspective. To A LOT of us, around 10k is lots of cash. Maybe not "I'll buy a house and a car and a hooker and a tv and and and" - kind of cash. But it would surely make my life hell of a lot easyer for at least a year.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:49:00 - [33] Would have to hit upwards 20k for me to consider it. Am sitting confortably with money on the bank that I never use tho, but I'd value the 4 years and gotten so far from EVE - and hopefully another 4 year - higher than 11k. ..and reading the discussions in MD, seems he were more likely hitting around 2,5-4,5k. RMT < GTC. Then you gotta find a buyer for all that isk for a fairly fast transaction as well. Also, reading the comments in MD it seems Ricdic had a combination of reasons to sell out, not only money, there's hints about him being unhappy with certain things within EBank as well. ..but yah, the point still stands. I see why someone would consider it, for the money alone. It is just a game, and in that sense, it has a value. Out of curiosity, I wonder how far CCP can pull this legally. You are violating the EULA. Guessing there's ways to do the transaction of cash so it doesn't relate to EVE, laundry kek, but there's always the option of local IRS, and perhaps CCP got means to forward things legally. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Misanth Would have to hit upwards 20k for me to consider it. Am sitting confortably with money on the bank that I never use tho, but I'd value the 4 years and gotten so far from EVE - and hopefully another 4 year - higher than 11k. ..and reading the discussions in MD, seems he were more likely hitting around 2,5-4,5k. RMT < GTC. Then you gotta find a buyer for all that isk for a fairly fast transaction as well. Also, reading the comments in MD it seems Ricdic had a combination of reasons to sell out, not only money, there's hints about him being unhappy with certain things within EBank as well. ..but yah, the point still stands. I see why someone would consider it, for the money alone. It is just a game, and in that sense, it has a value. Out of curiosity, I wonder how far CCP can pull this legally. You are violating the EULA. Guessing there's ways to do the transaction of cash so it doesn't relate to EVE, laundry kek, but there's always the option of local IRS, and perhaps CCP got means to forward things legally. Afaik, eula only allows them to ban you. They can't do anything to you legally. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Misanth Would have to hit upwards 20k for me to consider it. Am sitting confortably with money on the bank that I never use tho, but I'd value the 4 years and gotten so far from EVE - and hopefully another 4 year - higher than 11k. ..and reading the discussions in MD, seems he were more likely hitting around 2,5-4,5k. RMT < GTC. Then you gotta find a buyer for all that isk for a fairly fast transaction as well. Also, reading the comments in MD it seems Ricdic had a combination of reasons to sell out, not only money, there's hints about him being unhappy with certain things within EBank as well. ..but yah, the point still stands. I see why someone would consider it, for the money alone. It is just a game, and in that sense, it has a value. Out of curiosity, I wonder how far CCP can pull this legally. You are violating the EULA. Guessing there's ways to do the transaction of cash so it doesn't relate to EVE, laundry kek, but there's always the option of local IRS, and perhaps CCP got means to forward things legally. Well I would consider it this way.. $11K is quite a bit of cash.. I have about a dozen unrelated email addresses and a dynamic IP.. Take a 6 month break.. If I'm not over my addiction come back using a non banned email, use some of the cash to buy time cards and buy a mid level toon (ie, 20-30M SP).. Keep quiet.. Best of both worlds really.. You get RL cash.. Get a break to try and get yourself off the habit and if you cant, you get to start a new life.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.06.11 00:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Afaik, eula only allows them to ban you. They can't do anything to you legally. Intellectual property and all that jiff, essentially you're selling something you don't own, which is a theft. I guess the effect of that/how it plays out, differs from country to country tho. Originally by: Lana Torrin Well I would consider it this way.. $11K is quite a bit of cash.. I have about a dozen unrelated email addresses and a dynamic IP.. Take a 6 month break.. If I'm not over my addiction come back using a non banned email, use some of the cash to buy time cards and buy a mid level toon (ie, 20-30M SP).. Keep quiet.. Best of both worlds really.. You get RL cash.. Get a break to try and get yourself off the habit and if you cant, you get to start a new life. ..was thinking that as well. Sell 200bil, keep the other 275b, either case you win/win. More money than you need ingame to start over, plus win outside of it. I guess CCP loves this thread now.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.11 01:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Misanth ..was thinking that as well. Sell 200bil, keep the other 275b, either case you win/win. More money than you need ingame to start over, plus win outside of it. I guess CCP loves this thread now. You would have to NEVER tell anyone who you were and what you did for the rest of your eve gaming life however.. If even only 1 person found out there is a chance that CCP will find out and you'll get banned again with the loss of the rest of the isk. Most people cant stay quiet for that long, they would eventually tell SOMEONE..
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.06.11 01:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Lana Torrin You would have to NEVER tell anyone who you were and what you did for the rest of your eve gaming life however.. If even only 1 person found out there is a chance that CCP will find out and you'll get banned again with the loss of the rest of the isk. Most people cant stay quiet for that long, they would eventually tell SOMEONE.. It wouldn't be the first time someone banned comes back. Some of the higher profile ones, involved in dev and isd related scandals are still playing. Or so I hear.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.11 01:12:00 - [39] Originally by: Misanth It wouldn't be the first time someone banned comes back. Some of the higher profile ones, involved in dev and isd related scandals are still playing. Or so I hear. Actually banning someone from any online game and making it stick is next to impossibly. The only reliable way CCP has to identify players is the email address and credit card details. If you don't use a credit card to pay your subscription and you sign up with a different email account..... I would actually love for there to be a way to REALLY ban people permanently. That would kill all the isk sellers once and for all, which would mean the price of GTCs should drop (as more people will be selling them for ISK) and it would then get easier for me to pay for all my accounts...
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.06.11 01:16:00 - [40] Originally by: Lana Torrin Actually banning someone from any online game and making it stick is next to impossibly. The only reliable way CCP has to identify players is the email address and credit card details. If you don't use a credit card to pay your subscription and you sign up with a different email account..... I would actually love for there to be a way to REALLY ban people permanently. That would kill all the isk sellers once and for all, which would mean the price of GTCs should drop (as more people will be selling them for ISK) and it would then get easier for me to pay for all my accounts... ..or get access to their hardware, but that won't happen. Yah. I can't think of any (decently sized) MMO that doesn't have a flood of isk farmer/sellers. Obviously it's a profitable business, and way too hard to get rid of them. I miss last summer, less than a year ago I bought 90d GTC for under 300mil. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Miney Prospector Caldari Standards and Practices	Posted - 2009.06.11 02:46:00 - [41] $11k Thats a new motorcycle. I wouldn't wanna play this game anyway if I had a new bike.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2009.06.11 03:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Jinx Barker Edited by: Jinx Barker on 11/06/2009 00:31:37 I think Shar has brought to the attention of EVE community the issues with Ric and EBANK almost a year ago. There was a lot of cursing and accusations flying about. EBANK has nicely hushed the whole thing... Draw conclusions. Conclusion: If I accuse everyone who posts in MD ever of preparing a scam, if any of them do scam I will seem prophetic. I will just ignore the ones that haven't scammed, because that just means they're still waiting for the best time to strike.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.06.11 06:52:00 - [43] Oh lol. If he'd planned it from the start - that's not all that much isk... on a isk:time spent ratio but... lol.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.11 07:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Ralara Oh lol. If he'd planned it from the start - that's not all that much isk... on a isk:time spent ratio but... lol. I'm guessing it was more of an "I'm bored with this" smash and grab..
Major Stallion Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.06.11 07:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Sader Rykane It's just imaginary money.... ...it's actually kind of pathetic. If its just imaginary money...why is it pathetic? I lol'd pretty heartily about this. Why anyone in this game would trust ISK to people other than themselves is beyond me.
Lexa Hellfury Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.06.11 08:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Lukriss I'd gladly be permabanned from eve for $11000
Fumen	Posted - 2009.06.11 09:45:00 - [47] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Afaik, eula only allows them to ban you. They can't do anything to you legally. Seems like I recall a case in Denmark or Netherlands or some such about a couple guys getting prosecuted over a scam in WoW a year or so ago. I don't recall the details, but it was something to do over an in-game transaction and fraud. (I want to say some sort of monetary transaction was involved and not just an in-game scam. You know, it'd suck that you got scammed and then banned for attempting any sort of RMT.) Yeah, if you screw something/someone over bad enough, a company might just cooperate with foreign authorities, even if they aren't legally obligated, to prosecute a legal case, criminal or civil.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.06.11 10:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Fumen Yeah, if you screw something/someone over bad enough, a company might just cooperate with foreign authorities, even if they aren't legally obligated, to prosecute a legal case, criminal or civil. Yes a company like Blizzard might because WoW is not meant to have scamming and such. Eve is - hell, the whole GHSC incedent with the amarr ships and what not years ago is what brought a lot of us into the game. CCP don't just allow it, they endorse it. They even allow scamming of Plexes ffs :p CCP would not co-operate in any way with a civil case unless they were under a legal obligation to do so. Which they aren't, because none of us "own" our characters and stuff - we have a licence agreement with CCP to use the characters and stuff but they own them. --
Jogvan Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.06.11 11:25:00 - [49] Originally by: Fumen Seems like I recall a case in Denmark or Netherlands or some such about a couple guys getting prosecuted over a scam in WoW a year or so ago. I don't recall the details, but it was something to do over an in-game transaction and fraud. (I want to say some sort of monetary transaction was involved and not just an in-game scam. You know, it'd suck that you got scammed and then banned for attempting any sort of RMT.) I think that one was because the victim was being harassed/threatened IRL by some guys until he sent them WoW gold or whatever they wanted. Quote: Confirming that I would quit Eve for $11k. I would too
Draeca Tharri and Co.	Posted - 2009.06.11 12:25:00 - [50] Edited by: Draeca on 11/06/2009 12:26:18 I'd live for almost a year with that 11k.
Ignitious Hellfury Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.11 16:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker Originally by: Tildes own That's pretty funny. Don't find it very funny. If he used that isk to buy himself a lot of shiney stuff for pvp, okay. But to do RMT... not the hallmark of a good scam within eve. idk... seems like a pretty good isk sink to me =P
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.06.11 19:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Jogvan Originally by: Fumen Seems like I recall a case in Denmark or Netherlands or some such about a couple guys getting prosecuted over a scam in WoW a year or so ago. I don't recall the details, but it was something to do over an in-game transaction and fraud. (I want to say some sort of monetary transaction was involved and not just an in-game scam. You know, it'd suck that you got scammed and then banned for attempting any sort of RMT.) I think that one was because the victim was being harassed/threatened IRL by some guys until he sent them WoW gold or whatever they wanted. No. It was danish, yah, but roughly this - He bought isk (so it was in EVE), from e-bay if I recall right but that part can be wrong. He then paid for it with paypal, i.e. using his CC. The guy he bought it from didn't send him the isk, so he wanted his CC company (VISA?) to revert the deal, since he didn't get what he bought. Well, since he bought intellectual property that neither of the involved parties owned, he simply didn't have a case. He broke a contract he signed (EULA), and he bought something that don't exist, that he has no right to either. Can't recall exact details but that should be pretty accurate. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Marius Deterium Caldari The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.06.11 21:31:00 - [53] Confirming that $11k is no where near enough for me to quit Eve. It would have to be quite a bit more than that. --- Mining hulls for the juicy goods inside. Good...bad, I'm the guy with the gun.
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2009.06.11 22:44:00 - [54] Originally by: Ignitious Hellfury idk... seems like a pretty good isk sink to me =P ISK sink: Something that removes ISK from circulation, EG buying items like skillbooks and blueprints from NPCs, paying for insurance, slot rental fees in NPC stations. ISK fountain: Something that introduces ISK into circulation, EG bounties on NPCs, insurance payouts. RMT does not do either of these things, it just moves the ISK around. The only way RMT may act as an ISK sink is when an account with ISK on it gets permabanned. That effectively removes it from circulation.
Keith Joscelyne	Posted - 2009.06.11 22:45:00 - [55] for anyone who is posting that they wouldnt quite eve for $11k, I honestly do believe, they are the type of people that get bullied irl, the type of people that have no freinds other than the jayne does and john does they talk to over the internet! They are sad, I play eve as it is fun and the people i get talking over vent do seem interesting, But i have a life and I do have freinds outside of eve, SO if i was to get offerd $11k I would quite happily walk away from eve and go play WoW. So basically to all the people who claim not to quite if they get offerd that amount of rl cash. More the fool you! Thanks Keith
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.06.11 23:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Keith Joscelyne for anyone who is posting that they wouldnt quite eve for $11k, I honestly do believe, they are the type of people that get bullied irl, the type of people that have no freinds other than the jayne does and john does they talk to over the internet! They are sad, I play eve as it is fun and the people i get talking over vent do seem interesting, But i have a life and I do have freinds outside of eve, SO if i was to get offerd $11k I would quite happily walk away from eve and go play WoW. So basically to all the people who claim not to quite if they get offerd that amount of rl cash. More the fool you! Thanks Keith I like how you say that people need mmos because they have no life, then say right after that that you would just jump straight to wow. Logic fail. For the record, I would quit eve for 11k, but I wouldn't quit mmos period. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Tildes own Aliastra	Posted - 2009.06.12 03:06:00 - [57] All of the EBANK damage control is pretty awesome lol
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.06.12 03:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega I like how you say that people need mmos because they have no life, then say right after that that you would just jump straight to wow. Logic fail. No no no... but it does mean that WoW isn't an MMO....
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.06.12 08:21:00 - [59] Originally by: Keith Joscelyne for anyone who is posting that they wouldnt quite eve for $11k, I honestly do believe, they are the type of people that get bullied irl, the type of people that have no freinds other than the jayne does and john does they talk to over the internet! They are sad, I play eve as it is fun and the people i get talking over vent do seem interesting, But i have a life and I do have freinds outside of eve, SO if i was to get offerd $11k I would quite happily walk away from eve and go play WoW. So basically to all the people who claim not to quite if they get offerd that amount of rl cash. More the fool you! Thanks Keith $11k is not a lot of money, dude.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2009.06.12 10:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Ralara $11k is not a lot of money, dude. Oh I wouldn't mind if someone decided to give me "not a lot of money" then. $11k is considerably more than even a lifetime of Eve is worth to me.

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