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Orb Lati
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Posted - 2004.09.16 00:41:00 -
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would be nice if there was amore stratigic element to it.
Perhaps bring in a Line of Sight System where Celestrial Bodies will obscure objects behind them.
"We Worship Strength, because it is through strength that all other values are made possible" |
Orb Lati
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Posted - 2004.09.16 00:41:00 -
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would be nice if there was amore stratigic element to it.
Perhaps bring in a Line of Sight System where Celestrial Bodies will obscure objects behind them.
"We Worship Strength, because it is through strength that all other values are made possible" |
Araviel
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Posted - 2004.09.16 01:38:00 -
[33]
i say yay, and you can still hide whit cloaks :)
EPIC Recruitment post
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.09.16 01:38:00 -
[34]
i say yay, and you can still hide whit cloaks :)
EPIC Recruitment post
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:18:00 -
[35]
Assuming that this system scanner basically turns finding safe spots into a simple point and lick operation then personally speaking this has me worried for several reasons.
Pvp is now going to become a pure count the number of battleships game in the end. If a larger fleet arrives the all it takes is a few clicks and it's an easy gank for them, so now the small guerilla raids are gone in favour of whoever can make the biggest fleet. This is basicalyl going to screw any small corp trying to get it's first steps into the big bad 0.0 space (and NO I don't think that they should HAVE to join some alliance to operate in 0.0) as well as freelancers.
As stated before, this is going to increase the number of mid warp logouts and similar that will occur by some unfortunate pilots that get caught in a log in trap with no where to run and soon, no where to hide.
I know quite a few people who make small careers for themselves tracking down safe spots for other people/corps, for themselves etc and had turned it into an art form that others were willing to pay a reasonable price for, or they located for themselves a nice stash of battleships some kind souls had left at an ss (presumably for some minning op). In a single stroke this has wiped out an entire player generated career forcing them to become take one of the more typical careers that anyone can do (miner, fighter, hauler, whatever).
CCP seem to be wiping out any chance for people to carve out unique roles for themselves by turning them into simple operataions that any player with a single brain cell can do. Eve is fast running out of means for players to use their own actual skills, patience etc to their advantage by having the devs automate so many of these functions and persaonlly it has me very worried.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:18:00 -
[36]
Assuming that this system scanner basically turns finding safe spots into a simple point and lick operation then personally speaking this has me worried for several reasons.
Pvp is now going to become a pure count the number of battleships game in the end. If a larger fleet arrives the all it takes is a few clicks and it's an easy gank for them, so now the small guerilla raids are gone in favour of whoever can make the biggest fleet. This is basicalyl going to screw any small corp trying to get it's first steps into the big bad 0.0 space (and NO I don't think that they should HAVE to join some alliance to operate in 0.0) as well as freelancers.
As stated before, this is going to increase the number of mid warp logouts and similar that will occur by some unfortunate pilots that get caught in a log in trap with no where to run and soon, no where to hide.
I know quite a few people who make small careers for themselves tracking down safe spots for other people/corps, for themselves etc and had turned it into an art form that others were willing to pay a reasonable price for, or they located for themselves a nice stash of battleships some kind souls had left at an ss (presumably for some minning op). In a single stroke this has wiped out an entire player generated career forcing them to become take one of the more typical careers that anyone can do (miner, fighter, hauler, whatever).
CCP seem to be wiping out any chance for people to carve out unique roles for themselves by turning them into simple operataions that any player with a single brain cell can do. Eve is fast running out of means for players to use their own actual skills, patience etc to their advantage by having the devs automate so many of these functions and persaonlly it has me very worried.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:22:00 -
[37]
\o/ Yay!
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:22:00 -
[38]
\o/ Yay!
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Rhia
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:43:00 -
[39]
Nay, not always knowing everything makes the game more interesting.
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It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare.
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Rhia
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:43:00 -
[40]
Nay, not always knowing everything makes the game more interesting.
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It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare.
-Mark Twain |
Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:48:00 -
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I wish they would just start by removing the avatars from local chat in 0.0 non-empire systems and also remove the Pilots in space and Pilots currently docked in non-empire 0.0 systems.
It should on the other hand be possible to scan more than several AU but then again it shouldnt be possible to warp straight to the ships on scanner.
But at least give us the option of warping in the direction of ships/cans on the scanner so it will still require some skills to track it down.
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:48:00 -
[42]
I wish they would just start by removing the avatars from local chat in 0.0 non-empire systems and also remove the Pilots in space and Pilots currently docked in non-empire 0.0 systems.
It should on the other hand be possible to scan more than several AU but then again it shouldnt be possible to warp straight to the ships on scanner.
But at least give us the option of warping in the direction of ships/cans on the scanner so it will still require some skills to track it down.
Spawn of the Devil
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:50:00 -
[43]
System scanning right now is stupid.. I wanna be able to scan a whole system and warp to someone's safespot. HOWEVER, it shouldn't be as simple as "press a button, scan whole system, warp to wherever". A little bit of mystery and exploration is good :)
I like the idea of it being a module or specific ship. Only allow Covert Op ships to system scan.. that would be awesome. Two birds with one stone.. it will make covert ops more useful AND it would completely destroy the safespot. People could run, but if someone has a covert ops ship they cant stay there for long. (Not saying covert ops arent useful now. but inlike interceptors, they're not a "one in every battle" kinda ship)
So yea.. i think completely doing away with safe spots is good IF it requires a small amount of work. It shouldn't be as easy as clicking on something on your scanner and warping to them. I can imagine a covert op warping in cloaked, checking it out, giving his group information and having them warp to him.. now THAT would be awesome :D
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2004.09.16 02:50:00 -
[44]
System scanning right now is stupid.. I wanna be able to scan a whole system and warp to someone's safespot. HOWEVER, it shouldn't be as simple as "press a button, scan whole system, warp to wherever". A little bit of mystery and exploration is good :)
I like the idea of it being a module or specific ship. Only allow Covert Op ships to system scan.. that would be awesome. Two birds with one stone.. it will make covert ops more useful AND it would completely destroy the safespot. People could run, but if someone has a covert ops ship they cant stay there for long. (Not saying covert ops arent useful now. but inlike interceptors, they're not a "one in every battle" kinda ship)
So yea.. i think completely doing away with safe spots is good IF it requires a small amount of work. It shouldn't be as easy as clicking on something on your scanner and warping to them. I can imagine a covert op warping in cloaked, checking it out, giving his group information and having them warp to him.. now THAT would be awesome :D
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.09.16 03:02:00 -
[45]
Agree completely with omniwar and errors posts.
Removing local and map information (at leat in 0.0 if no where else) would really help with stealth and help balance the all seeing system scan.
The idea of enhancing the covert ops frigates role by allowing it to the the only ship that can warp to safe spots is fantastic. It makes hunting down a ss easier but still not the point that anyone can do it with just a few button clicks.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.09.16 03:02:00 -
[46]
Agree completely with omniwar and errors posts.
Removing local and map information (at leat in 0.0 if no where else) would really help with stealth and help balance the all seeing system scan.
The idea of enhancing the covert ops frigates role by allowing it to the the only ship that can warp to safe spots is fantastic. It makes hunting down a ss easier but still not the point that anyone can do it with just a few button clicks.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.09.16 03:14:00 -
[47]
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/09/2004 03:31:50
Lame, kills my sole source of income in the game, if you can really just warp straight to them, special mods/ships or not. Details aren't final, maybe they just mean you can't hide your fleet details anymore?
Or youre not safe because people who know how to find safespots are more likely to notice your safespot since they no longer have to happen upon landing 15 AU from you? I hope that is what they mean. The hardest part about stealing a ship or ganking an AFK player thats at an f11 bookmark is just stumbling close enough to even know that they are there. No one has time to go 2000 AU out in every system they ever visit to look for people
To everyone saying it will be great if you need a special skill to do this with, I say player skills should be more important than in game, egg timer skills.
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.09.16 03:14:00 -
[48]
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 16/09/2004 03:31:50
Lame, kills my sole source of income in the game, if you can really just warp straight to them, special mods/ships or not. Details aren't final, maybe they just mean you can't hide your fleet details anymore?
Or youre not safe because people who know how to find safespots are more likely to notice your safespot since they no longer have to happen upon landing 15 AU from you? I hope that is what they mean. The hardest part about stealing a ship or ganking an AFK player thats at an f11 bookmark is just stumbling close enough to even know that they are there. No one has time to go 2000 AU out in every system they ever visit to look for people
To everyone saying it will be great if you need a special skill to do this with, I say player skills should be more important than in game, egg timer skills.
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NoHawker
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Posted - 2004.09.16 03:39:00 -
[49]
No their needs to be a better way. I need to be able to sneak in kill things, run away and hide. On the same note I would also like the ability to find others hiding. Balance is the keyword here... CCP good luck
What are you going to do?
I'm going to kill them all sir |
NoHawker
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Posted - 2004.09.16 03:39:00 -
[50]
No their needs to be a better way. I need to be able to sneak in kill things, run away and hide. On the same note I would also like the ability to find others hiding. Balance is the keyword here... CCP good luck
What are you going to do?
I'm going to kill them all sir |
Jericho Ronin
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Posted - 2004.09.16 04:00:00 -
[51]
First they said they weren't going to do this, now they say they are...I wish they would make up their minds.
This is a stupid idea, pure and simple. Retreat is a valid part of battle, this will no longer be an option. I don't have the energy to go into any more reasons. I find myself thinking the same thing about EVE that I have thought about other MMORPG's and that is "This used to be a really cool game before they mucked it up".
Why not just make a pinball game? Use flash and we can all load it into a web browser. There are so many other aspects of game design they should be working on. If this is truly something they are going to do, it's just sad.
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Jericho Ronin
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Posted - 2004.09.16 04:00:00 -
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First they said they weren't going to do this, now they say they are...I wish they would make up their minds.
This is a stupid idea, pure and simple. Retreat is a valid part of battle, this will no longer be an option. I don't have the energy to go into any more reasons. I find myself thinking the same thing about EVE that I have thought about other MMORPG's and that is "This used to be a really cool game before they mucked it up".
Why not just make a pinball game? Use flash and we can all load it into a web browser. There are so many other aspects of game design they should be working on. If this is truly something they are going to do, it's just sad.
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Malv
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Posted - 2004.09.16 06:40:00 -
[53]
yay. engaging people is already is unncessary hard as it is. Combat should be encouraged as its one of the funner aspects of this game. Scanners encourage combat.
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Malv
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Posted - 2004.09.16 06:40:00 -
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yay. engaging people is already is unncessary hard as it is. Combat should be encouraged as its one of the funner aspects of this game. Scanners encourage combat.
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Lurk
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Posted - 2004.09.16 07:46:00 -
[55]
 Originally by: Malv
yay. engaging people is already is unncessary hard as it is. Combat should be encouraged as its one of the funner aspects of this game. Scanners encourage combat.
Scanners don't encourage combat, they encourage ganking.
Removing ppl in space and ppl in local would encourage combat ...
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Lurk
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Posted - 2004.09.16 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malv
yay. engaging people is already is unncessary hard as it is. Combat should be encouraged as its one of the funner aspects of this game. Scanners encourage combat.
Scanners don't encourage combat, they encourage ganking.
Removing ppl in space and ppl in local would encourage combat ...
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.09.16 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Nay, pressing a button and getting a readout on an entire solar system and everything in it trying to hide is g@y.
Work on an intelligent solution instead of these either or nerfs, you're computergame developers not conservative judges.
Why not let ganker corporations hold a vote from their docks whether or not my base should blow up and save them the bother?
Danton, usually I appreciate your opinion, but in this case, you should you could have used a bit more imagination instead of assuming that before posting.
Take a look at ErrorS post, he's pretty close 
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Disclaimer; It's not you, it's me.
I won't argue with you on that 
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I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol. |
Oveur
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Posted - 2004.09.16 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Nay, pressing a button and getting a readout on an entire solar system and everything in it trying to hide is g@y.
Work on an intelligent solution instead of these either or nerfs, you're computergame developers not conservative judges.
Why not let ganker corporations hold a vote from their docks whether or not my base should blow up and save them the bother?
Danton, usually I appreciate your opinion, but in this case, you should you could have used a bit more imagination instead of assuming that before posting.
Take a look at ErrorS post, he's pretty close
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Disclaimer; It's not you, it's me.
I won't argue with you on that
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I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol. |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.09.16 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 16/09/2004 09:21:31
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Take a look at ErrorS post, he's pretty close
OK now you got me Oveur...
Does that mean that you will give CO-frigs special "scanner" modules that will allow them to deep scan systems and warp to stuff other ships couldn't even see on their scanners?
That would truly be a good thing as that's exactly how I thought CO-frigs should've been like. I was so disappointed when I finally found out that the cloak is all these ships can do.
Make CO-frigs real scout ships and you have my vote as DotY (Dev of the year) pal 
Mai's Idealog |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.09.16 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 16/09/2004 09:21:31
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Take a look at ErrorS post, he's pretty close
OK now you got me Oveur...
Does that mean that you will give CO-frigs special "scanner" modules that will allow them to deep scan systems and warp to stuff other ships couldn't even see on their scanners?
That would truly be a good thing as that's exactly how I thought CO-frigs should've been like. I was so disappointed when I finally found out that the cloak is all these ships can do.
Make CO-frigs real scout ships and you have my vote as DotY (Dev of the year) pal
Mai's Idealog |
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