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Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:51:00 - [1] Capital Assistance in Destruction [CAIDS] Bond Offering Chapter 1 - Summary of Capital AIDS Bond Offering Chapter 2 - Personal Background Chapter 3 - Corporate Overview & Security Provisions Chapter 4 - The 0.0 Question Chapter 5 - The Business Plan Chapter 6 - Statement of Assets Chapter 7 - I'm a Goon and I like it Chapter 8 - Bond Details Chapter 9 - Bond Closing Details Chapter 1 - Summary of Capital AIDS Bond Offering I have been building capitals for close to a year now, and in that time I have also built several motherships for alliance members. I am looking to utilize my experience as well as my already substantial capital blueprint collection as collateral to secure a 40b isk bond at 5% interest monthly for six months. Funds will be used to purchase additional blueprints, as well as other assets to be used in producing motherships for resale on eve-o. Read on for more details. Chapter 2 - Personal Background I started this game many years ago by selling a couple of timecards(they were cheaper in those days), and using the proceeds to buy the full set of cruiser blueprints to sell to my alliance. Since then I have produced a lot of items ranging from T1 hulls of all sizes, including too many battleships to cound, and thousands of T2 modules. More recently with the wormholes expansion, I founded a small group of investors, explorers, and industrialists to focus on the new space. In March this group was able to build 14 of the 29 T3 hulls built in the game. When jump freighters were introduced, I had built one of the first ones on the market. At one point or another, I've done just about everything there is related to science and industry in this game. I come with a vast amount of experience, and have a very deep understanding of not just the core mechanics of how the game operates, but also the financial side on how to make a business profitable. Chapter 3 - Corporate Overview & Security Provisions I am the CEO of Capital AIDS. From time to time I may rely on others to help out in my business, however they will generally have limited access to corp assets, and no wallet access. The bond will be backed by capital ship, component, and module blueprints that will be locked down by Chribba. Kazuo Ishiguro will be receiving your investments, and then the blueprints will be locked down by Chribba. Once locked down, Chribba will notify Kazuo of their status, and Kazuo will forward isk to myself. At no point will I have access to your isk before the blueprints are fully locked down. The NPC value of the blueprints in lockdown will exceed the value of the bond by 10%.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:52:00 - [2] Chapter 4 - The 0.0 Question Yes, these blueprints will be locked down in 0.0. First, let me state that 0.0 is a dangerous place, there's no question about that. What I can tell you is that all blueprints will be safely stored in a secure sov 4 system. While it is very unlikely that the system will be conquered, I cannot say that it won't be for certain. Offices can be rented for 30 day periods, and can be paid 30 days in advance. What this means is that even if they region is conquered, I will have some time to evacuate what I can, and at least 30-60 days to unlock the blueprints and safely transport them out. Under the worst case scenario, the npc value of blueprints locked down will exceed the bond amount. This means that the blueprints could be unlocked in the 30 day window and sold off to a conquering alliance at a discount and investors would still be repaid in full. I feel reasonably confident that even under the worst of cases investors would not be at significant risk of losing their investment. I can say this with reasonable confidence because I have recent experience with this. Earlier this year my alliance bid a hasty farewell to our old space, and I needed to evacuate my business from there in a hurry. While some assets were too bulky to take with me, all the blueprints were moved safely, and the larger items were eventually sold to the new inhabitants. Some asset value was lost in this process, but I was able to quickly get my business up and running again in a new region, and rebuild the lost value very quickly. All debt obligations were able to be met even in light of the extreme nature of events and lost business. Chapter 5 - The Business Plan My current capital production consists of building 3 dreads and 2 carriers per week. I have in the past built motherships by offering alliance mates below market prices in exchange for paying the full cost before production began. This bond will enable me to build motherships for sale on eve-o, without needing to offer lower prices. I believe this market has a lot of room in it, and combined with my experience at efficient production means I will do quite well. Additionally, I can, and likely will use the funds to also expand my dread and carrier production capacity. My current monthly interest payments for existing debt is 2.5b. All of that is at rates substantially higher than the bond offering, and some will be paid off. Following the bond offering I expect to have a debt to asset ratio of around .5, and profits from the dread/carrier business alone will be enough to meet the interest payments from existing loans plus the bond payments. Any profits beyond that would be mine to make. Chapter 6 - Statement of Assets Kazuo has already audited my financial information, and can confirm that I have assets in line with the statements below. Capital Blueprints: 38b* Capital Components: 13.5b Capital Ships: 13.5b Capital Modules/Fighters: 3b Minerals: 18.5b Towers & Mods: 4.2b Liquid Isk: 3b *Valued at NPC sales price. Isk from this offering will be used to purchase additional blueprints to bring the value over 44b isk. At no point will I have access to more isk than the npc value of locked blueprints. Total Assets: 93.7b Total Existing unsecured liabilities are 47.4b, of which 10b is an interest free gift from a friend serving in the Army, and 18.5b of short-term loans. As stated, all of these are at rates significantly higher than the bond offering, and some will be repaid to lower my borrowing costs.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:52:00 - [3] Chapter 7 - I'm a Goon and I like it Yes, I'm a Goon. First, given our history I have undertaken many steps to make sure this is as secure as possible, both for myself and for investors. I understand some will stop right here(ok, they didn't even get this far), and not invest. That's fine with me, this section isn't for those investors. The fact of the matter is I wouldn't be where I am today without Goonswarm, and I am not going to abandon them. For those of you on the fence, let me just say that I have always taken care of my investors. Sophie Daigneau is my main science/industry character, and the only one I post with here on eve-o. On goonfleet.com, I post with niarT epaR, and frequent GFGBS under "niart". If you are an ally, or even have a spy alt, feel free to check out my sales thread on our forums. Finally, for those of you still on the fence, I am using Chribba as a middleman for a reason. One, I can trust him, but more importantly, as a supercapital producer I am going to find a very short customer list if I attempt in any way to scam you, and in turn him. Chapter 8 - Bond Details Shares Offered: 4,000 (4 thousand) Share Par Value: 10,000,000 (10 million) Total Bond Value: 40,000,000,000 (40 billion) Monthly Interest: 5% of Par value, or 500,000 per share Term: 6 Months from date of issue All isk will be sent to Kazuo Ishiguro with the description "CAIDS BOND", where I will not have access to it. Once Chribba has confirmed that the blueprints are locked down, Kazuo will release the isk to myself. Kazuo will also supply me with the list of investors, and I will distribute shares accordingly. Shares will be distributed from CAIDS Investments [CAI.B] and all dividends will come from this corp. Chapter 9 - Bond Closing Details The bond will run for six months from issue. After that time I will either repay all investors, or refinance the terms for a longer period. If I chose not to refinance, isk will be repaid to investors, and upon confirmation, Chribba will unlock the blueprints for me. I understand circumstances change, and as such I will offer an early withdrawal option of 90% par value for anyone wishing to have their money returned before the 6 months term is up. This is subject to my having liquidity, and upon notification from any investor I will seek other financing alternatives if necessary to have their isk repaid promptly. Please do not send any shares to myself until you have positive confirmation back.
MailDeadDrop Globaltech Industries	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:53:00 - [4] Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 15/06/2009 21:53:20 Reserving 10 bonds pending confirmation of audit. MDD
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:53:00 - [5] ò Chapter 10 - FAQ I believe most questions have been answered so far, if you have more, please post in this thread and I will update this space with my answers.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:53:00 - [6] Reserved
MailDeadDrop Globaltech Industries	Posted - 2009.06.15 21:56:00 - [7] Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 15/06/2009 22:02:18 Reserving 10 bonds pending confirmation of audit. Update: Err, I see that a formal audit isn't pending. Not a real problem (for me), but can we get Chribba in here to confirm his part of the transaction? MDD
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:05:00 - [8] I'll see if I can track him down and get him to confirm that.
Chu Ran Caldari Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:14:00 - [9] Reserving 1000 share pending confirmation of BPO lockdown by Chribba.
Zenepher Money Trust	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:15:00 - [10] Reserving 100 shares pending confirmation of lockdown by Chribba.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:20:00 - [11] Reserving 200 shares for myself.
Treelox Amarr Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:21:00 - [12] reseving 250bonds (2.5b worth) pending confirmation post from Chribba.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:22:00 - [13] Reserving 1 share for Chribba.
Clara Mismer Minmatar Gulfonodi Industries	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:22:00 - [14] Edited by: Clara Mismer on 15/06/2009 22:25:46 can you post a skill link to the character(s) that will be building the ships and components to show you have the ability to build them. I am assuming but would like verified that the POS components contain the necessary array to build the ships. edited bit BTW nicely laid out plan and description - with those two items added all it needs is the reply from the lock down and it looks golden for a launch. **
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:25:00 - [15] Reserving 20 shares pending confirmation of lockdown by Chribba.
LJB	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:31:00 - [16] Reserving 25 shares pending confirmation of lockdown by Chribba.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Clara Mismer can you post a skill link to the character(s) that will be building the ships and components to show you have the ability to build them. I am assuming but would like verified that the POS components contain the necessary array to build the ships. edited bit BTW nicely laid out plan and description - with those two items added all it needs is the reply from the lock down and it looks golden for a launch. ** I haven't yet seen many details of the characters doing the building, but the corp of which Sophie's alt is CEO has a mothership currently in production (at a location which I will not divulge), as well as a large number of dreadnoughts, carriers and component build jobs.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:52:00 - [18] I will have verified api's in in-eve or that other website everyone is using for character sales shortly to post here.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 22:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Clara Mismer Edited by: Clara Mismer on 15/06/2009 22:25:46 can you post a skill link to the character(s) that will be building the ships and components to show you have the ability to build them. I am assuming but would like verified that the POS components contain the necessary array to build the ships. edited bit BTW nicely laid out plan and description - with those two items added all it needs is the reply from the lock down and it looks golden for a launch. ** A quick off the top of my head listing of pos parts includes at least one large tower, some component arrays, a CSAA, CSMA, a couple labs, and a handful of the other assembly arrays.
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.06.15 23:16:00 - [20] Reserving 50 shares pending lockdown etc etc
Cathra Dekiernau	Posted - 2009.06.15 23:35:00 - [21] I'll reserve 75 shares.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.15 23:56:00 - [22] I've updated the FAQ with information about my characters as well as a screenshot of my tower. Kazuo has verified both of these independently via api keys.
Mordou	Posted - 2009.06.15 23:57:00 - [23] Pfft.. It's obviously a scam, I mean just look at it: It doesn't have an audit voice in background Oh..oh ok so it has had an unofficial audit done by a respected MD member. Well...You could always run off with it still!! background voice Oh, the BPOs are in lockdown by Chribba? Oh, ok then... Well you obviously don't know how to run an operation like this what expir-louder background voice Oh, ok so you do. Well, it has to happen out in 0.0 so there is still serious risk!! background shouting Oh you've handled that before and even in worst case scenario could pay back, ok. Well...How about logistics? Huh? Thought of tha-Scuffle in background Oh, so you have taken care of that, all right, all right. The three Billy Goats Gruff then tossed the troll from the thread and it resumed in a smooth and uninterrupted fashion Looks like you have thought of everything, carry on then.
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2009.06.16 00:05:00 - [24] Reserving 50 shares pending confirmation from Chribba.
Chaos Wraith Lone Star Privateers	Posted - 2009.06.16 00:16:00 - [25] reserving 30 shares
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 00:20:00 - [26] Since it looks like there'll be enough interest on this I've gone ahead and sent Chribba my corp shares and begun lockdown votes on what few bpos I have laying around. I keep my BPOs in production nearly 24/7, so it'll take close to two weeks for them to finish production and cycle them all through lockdown votes.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 00:56:00 - [27] As of this posting, 1511 shares are reserved leaving 2489 left.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:02:00 - [28] Reserving 10 shares with no conditions.
Bankimus EVE Wealth Management	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:05:00 - [29] Reserving 20 shares
Treelox Amarr Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau Chapter 9 - Bond Closing Details The bond will run for six months from issue. After that time I will either repay all investors, or refinance the terms for a longer period. If I chose not to refinance, isk will be repaid to investors, and upon confirmation, Chribba will unlock the blueprints for me. I understand circumstances change, and as such I will offer an early withdrawal option of 90% par value for anyone wishing to have their money returned before the 6 months term is up. This is subject to my having liquidity, and upon notification from any investor I will seek other financing alternatives if necessary to have their isk repaid promptly. Please do not send any shares to myself until you have positive confirmation back. Just for clarity sake, if you do decied to extend/refinance the bond at the 6month mark, those who wish not to continue their investment will get a 100% buyback? --
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Sophie Daigneau Chapter 9 - Bond Closing Details The bond will run for six months from issue. After that time I will either repay all investors, or refinance the terms for a longer period. If I chose not to refinance, isk will be repaid to investors, and upon confirmation, Chribba will unlock the blueprints for me. I understand circumstances change, and as such I will offer an early withdrawal option of 90% par value for anyone wishing to have their money returned before the 6 months term is up. This is subject to my having liquidity, and upon notification from any investor I will seek other financing alternatives if necessary to have their isk repaid promptly. Please do not send any shares to myself until you have positive confirmation back. Just for clarity sake, if you do decied to extend/refinance the bond at the 6month mark, those who wish not to continue their investment will get a 100% buyback? Yes, if you no longer wish to continue you will have 100% repaid.
Kitchie Gallente Vikramaditya	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:42:00 - [32] I would like to reserve 100 shares. Although not entirely accurate (CAI.B is not in alliance) this is the only opportunity I will ever get in Eve to say that I own (just a tiny bit of) Goonswarm! Also a succesful issue by a Goon (red flag) with a 0.0 operation (getting redder) is really quite historic. Kitchie
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Kitchie I would like to reserve 100 shares. Although not entirely accurate (CAI.B is not in alliance) this is the only opportunity I will ever get in Eve to say that I own (just a tiny bit of) Goonswarm! Also a succesful issue by a Goon (red flag) with a 0.0 operation (getting redder) is really quite historic. Kitchie SCC-Lounge are the ones to thank for this, I've been tossing the idea around there for several weeks now, and gotten a lot of feedback from all of them on nearly every part of this offering. If anyone else is planning something, I'd highly recommend going the same route and get feedback from SCC before bringing the post here on MD.
Kitchie Gallente Vikramaditya	Posted - 2009.06.16 01:58:00 - [34] It is certainly very well put together though I can't help wondering whether you really need the funding or just want to prove that it can be done, if done right
Kapila Parthalan Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.16 02:25:00 - [35] Reserving 100 shares pending confirmation of lockdown.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.16 02:39:00 - [36] If you're willing Sophie Id like to get a better idea of your financial and inventory movement. How much of your product is consumed in house? Meaning how many goons eat your own dog food? What is your average movement per month? (no need to be specific here, just a rough estimate of the number of ships moved) Do you engage in component production for super caps at all? Have you thought about it all? Why motherships.. the bastard children of the capital market? How do you source your mats? Based on the answer to a previous question Id like to know more details if possible. Any particular reason on the null choice instead of a nice quiet low security system near empire? Do you realize how much risk taking this any sort of public creates for your supply chain? How do you plan to mitigate that risk? Does your alliance governance know of this (not that they need your approval I know that, just curious if you've discussed it with them so that you're not hanging high and dry when the proverbial sh*t hits the fan) Who else has even limited access to the prints, industry jobs, etc.. I might have missed it. How are you going to mitigate competition like myself who source capitals for your alliance if they are the bulk of your customers? What would you say your average margin is like? That said Im on for 10 shares for the hell of it.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 02:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria If you're willing Sophie Id like to get a better idea of your financial and inventory movement. How much of your product is consumed in house? Meaning how many goons eat your own dog food? What is your average movement per month? (no need to be specific here, just a rough estimate of the number of ships moved) Do you engage in component production for super caps at all? Have you thought about it all? Why motherships.. the bastard children of the capital market? How do you source your mats? Based on the answer to a previous question Id like to know more details if possible. Any particular reason on the null choice instead of a nice quiet low security system near empire? Do you realize how much risk taking this any sort of public creates for your supply chain? How do you plan to mitigate that risk? Does your alliance governance know of this (not that they need your approval I know that, just curious if you've discussed it with them so that you're not hanging high and dry when the proverbial sh*t hits the fan) Who else has even limited access to the prints, industry jobs, etc.. I might have missed it. How are you going to mitigate competition like myself who source capitals for your alliance if they are the bulk of your customers? What would you say your average margin is like? That said Im on for 10 shares for the hell of it. Lots of questions here, give me a bit to pull it all together.
Chaos Dreams	Posted - 2009.06.16 03:08:00 - [38] I'd like to reserve 10 shares pending confirmation by Chribba
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.06.16 04:03:00 - [39] Reserving 20 shares pending confirmation of lockdown by Chribba.
Imiom Ravena Caldari CBD Capsuleer Division	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:28:00 - [40] Reserving two shares please.
Kasheem Cetanes coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:32:00 - [41] I'll take 1Billion in shares. I'll contact you in game ^^
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Piezochem	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:39:00 - [42] I'd wish to reserve 1 share pending confirmation of the lock down by Chribba.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:44:00 - [43] Quote: Any particular reason on the null choice instead of a nice quiet low security system near empire? Since you can bring dreads in both, in my low sec and 0.0 experience I learned how a quiet low sec is never quiet for a predictable amount of time and is hell to NBSI protect (the way we do, and only way to let us mine and do level 4+ missions and have POSes deep in low sec). In the case of the investee, they would have to mobilitate a sufficient number of pilots off 0.0 (where backwater systems are backwater a lot and wardecs are un-noticeable) to low sec. This is probably not going to happen.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.06.16 06:48:00 - [44] Confirming that I have received 1000 shares for the CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society corporation. As well as I have voted FOR a lockdown of the following blueprints: Capital Launcher Hardpoint Capital Sensor Cluster Dragonfly Einherji x3 Firbolg Templar All located in the station (currently named): J LOL BUTTES n DONGS From what I could see there were no closed votes for creating shares, thus I should then be holding 100% of the shares and no blueprints that are locked would be able to be unlocked without me voting to unlock them. tl;dr - I have 1000 shares in "CAIDS". I have voted FOR locking the BPOs. I do not have any more insight into the venture apart from having the shares and controlling any votes. I will only vote for an unlock after all have been discussed and the investors of this thread are on the same "page" and an unlock is to be issued. Secure 3rd party service

Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.06.16 07:32:00 - [45] I'll take another 50 shares on top of the 50 I previously reserved, bringing me to 100 shares (1 bill).
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:30:00 - [46] Capital Assistance in Destruction [CAIDS] Bond Offering Cofirming 250,000,000 ISK sent to the personal wallet of "Kazuo Ishiguro" at 2009.06.16 08:23 ( [r]="CAIDS BOND" ) for the purchase of 25 shares in the Capital Assistance in Destruction [CAIDS] Bond Offering by Sophie Daigneau (link). -- DesuSigs
Emmgel	Posted - 2009.06.16 08:49:00 - [47] Edited by: Emmgel on 16/06/2009 08:54:46 Edited amount Reserve 5 billion, monies will be sent to Kazuo Ishiguro this evening GMT. Emmgel
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.06.16 09:18:00 - [48] 300 bonds reservation please
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.06.16 09:49:00 - [49] If it's not too late, I'd like to buy 2.5B ISK worth of shares.
Markeur	Posted - 2009.06.16 10:16:00 - [50] I'll take 50 shares please 500 million ISK sent shortly
Selina Candor Chernobyl Trading Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.16 10:28:00 - [51] For one of our resident goons. I'll take 100mil, 10 shares.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.06.16 11:01:00 - [52] If there is still room i'd like to reserve 250 shares.
Mamin Croer	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:31:00 - [53] If my math is correct there are shares remaining. I wish to request 25 shares 250M, I will send the ISK as soon as I can, later today (currently I am at work). Thank You
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:44:00 - [54] reserving 300 bonds.
Zeimanov Kalzumaan Caldari Haruspex Industries	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:47:00 - [55] I would like to reserve 10x Shares if there are any remaining.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:47:00 - [56] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 16/06/2009 12:47:36 Edit: sold out, will confirm details later
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:50:00 - [57] Edited by: Sophie Daigneau on 16/06/2009 12:55:19 Edited by: Sophie Daigneau on 16/06/2009 12:54:28 I just did up the reservations list and we appear to be all sold out. Will post in a few after double checking it. edit: Spreadsheet with full reservations list. Please send your isk asap to confirm your spots. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rvIgmdonV_X-Fuo_5GIyMKg
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:53:00 - [58] A few minutes before your post, I became unsure whether there was a formal reservation procedure or not, so I went ahead and sent the 2.5 billion ISK to Kazuo. I hope that if my reservation came in too late, he'll return the ISK.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 12:56:00 - [59] Originally by: Salpad A few minutes before your post, I became unsure whether there was a formal reservation procedure or not, so I went ahead and sent the 2.5 billion ISK to Kazuo. I hope that if my reservation came in too late, he'll return the ISK. You're good, Heroldyn was the last one and got a small haircut.
Zenepher Money Trust	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:03:00 - [60] Edited by: Zenepher on 16/06/2009 13:04:13 I reserved 100 shares previously and would like to get another 100 if possible for a total of 200 shares. I will be paying via corp (Money Trust) and would like for the corp to receive the payouts and shares aswell. Please contact me in-game if the other 100 shares becomes available.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:08:00 - [61] Also just to clear something up, I did receive some inquiries via eve-mail. I will only be counting forum posts as they are completely transparent.
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:08:00 - [62] 1 billion isk deposited to Kazuo Ishiguro: CAIDS Bond - 100 shares
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:12:00 - [63] There will be a grace period of 3-4 days for people to send me payments (i.e. by Friday evening please), beyond which reservations may be accepted from people in the queue. The BPOs that will be locked down will be emerging from production jobs over this period. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Per Bastet Amarr B.O.O.M	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:25:00 - [64] If there is any Shares Left I would like to Reserve 5 of them.
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:30:00 - [65] gonna transfer isk later today. since i could only be served 106 from 300 requested bonds, i will reserve up to 194 bonds in case people do not meet the grace period.
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:31:00 - [66] thanks for confirming reservation. I will send ISK later today when I get home from work.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:35:00 - [67] Originally by: Heroldyn gonna transfer isk later today. since i could only be served 106 from 300 requested bonds, i will reserve up to 194 bonds in case people do not meet the grace period. According to Kazuo's post, you're already first in the queue with the remainder of your reserved amount, i.e. 194 shares. See post #55.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:35:00 - [68] I only have two concerns now. At 20% movement moving 8-10 a month, you should have been able to self fund this expansion. Is this a test as it were, or just for the fun? The burn out factor, given the amount of material being moved Im hoping you bring it someone to at least assist in mat movement sooner than later. Especially when you get into the 15-20 per month movement.
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:39:00 - [69] Originally by: Salpad Originally by: Heroldyn gonna transfer isk later today. since i could only be served 106 from 300 requested bonds, i will reserve up to 194 bonds in case people do not meet the grace period. According to Kazuo's post, you're already first in the queue with the remainder of your reserved amount, i.e. 194 shares. See post #55. thanks for the pointer. overlooked the post.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:41:00 - [70] Originally by: Heroldyn thanks for the pointer. overlooked the post. You're welcome. These threads often move quite fast.
Mamin Croer	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:47:00 - [71] 250M isk sent to Kazuo Ishiguro ( I slipped in quickly via a remote connection lol). Thank You.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 13:56:00 - [72] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I only have two concerns now. At 20% movement moving 8-10 a month, you should have been able to self fund this expansion. Is this a test as it were, or just for the fun? Maybe I've missed a calc here someplace, but by my rough numbers, it'd take me about 5-6 months to self-fund this amount of capital. More importantly, the value of this is that I can leverage something I already own to achieve even higher rates of return. If I'm making 15% on my assets, and can borrow against those at 5%, that means I can leverage up to a whopping 25% return, definitely not something I'd pass up whether it could be "self-funded" or not. Quote: The burn out factor, given the amount of material being moved Im hoping you bring it someone to at least assist in mat movement sooner than later. Especially when you get into the 15-20 per month movement. Burnout factor is something I am acutely aware of, and not something I'm interested in having happen. A while back I used to do everything and looked for every scrap of margin I could. Since then, I've reworked my business model to outsource parts where I could, mineral compression, empire courier contracts, and soon I hope to have a goonspace freighter pilot to assist me. All these measures have reduced the amount of time I'm actually spending on the project to a very manageable level, one that I'm comfortable with and doubt I'll burn out at. Right now, my biggest activities of the week consist of updating some spreadsheets and installing a bunch of production jobs.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Piezochem	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:31:00 - [73] 10,000,000.00 ISK transferred @ 2009.06.16 14:24 from myself to Kazuo Ishiguro with the description "CAIDS BOND".
MailDeadDrop Globaltech Industries	Posted - 2009.06.16 14:58:00 - [74] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro There will be a grace period of 3-4 days for people to send me payments (i.e. by Friday evening please), beyond which reservations may be accepted from people in the queue. The BPOs that will be locked down will be emerging from production jobs over this period. $100,000,000 sent to Kazuo Ishiguro at 14:57 MDD
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.06.16 15:15:00 - [75] 1,06b isk transferred to Character Kazuo Ishiguro as of 15:13 IGT.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.16 16:08:00 - [76] 100m sent to Kazou
Treelox Amarr Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.06.16 16:10:00 - [77] date refID refType ownerName2 amount reason 6/16/2009 15:58\| 1239572767 \| Player Donation \| Kazuo Ishiguro \| -2,500,000,000 \|250 CAIDS shares PAID Happy Profits Sophie --
Selina Candor Chernobyl Trading Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.16 16:15:00 - [78] 100mil sent to kazuo. Good luck Sophie.
Emmgel	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:04:00 - [79] 7.5 billion ISK sent to Kazuo. I look forward to a profitable association. Emmgel
LJB	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:06:00 - [80] Confirming 250 Mill Isk sent to Kazuo Ishiguro for 25 shares Bond offer @ 16-06-09 @ 18:04 eve time. LJB
Markeur	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:20:00 - [81] 500 mil ISK sent to Kazuo Ishiguro
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:33:00 - [82] As of right now there are a little over 19b of blueprints on vote for lockdown, including a few new ones I just bought today. I will be waiting another day or so to begin sending shares out so people have time to send in isk.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.16 18:42:00 - [83] Kazuo IshiguroVaerah Vahrokha-20000000006/16/09 18.37CAIDS BOND80560944,0810002400
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.06.16 21:35:00 - [84] 3 Bills sent
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:14:00 - [85] 200m sent to Kazuo Ishiguro, as of 22:59 i wish you all the best sophie
Cathra Dekiernau	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:42:00 - [86] 750 million sent just a few moments ago.
Bankimus EVE Wealth Management	Posted - 2009.06.16 23:58:00 - [87] 200 million sent for 20 shares
Chu Ran Caldari Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.17 04:11:00 - [88] 10 Bil sent for 1000 shares.
Emmgel	Posted - 2009.06.17 08:19:00 - [89] From interest, do most people send an item exchange contract with monies 'as a gift', or just right-click and Send Money? Curious to see if everyone does the same or if there's an accepted method. Emmgel
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.06.17 08:26:00 - [90] right click-> send money. contracts are inpractical for theese kinds of transactions. especially for the person in charge of collecting the isk.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.06.17 09:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Emmgel From interest, do most people send an item exchange contract with monies 'as a gift', or just right-click and Send Money? Curious to see if everyone does the same or if there's an accepted method. I did 3 investments last summer, and I always just gave the ISK, after which I received shares. -- Salpad
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.17 10:35:00 - [92] The first 14.767bn isk has been released, following lockdown confirmation from Chribba. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Kapila Parthalan Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.17 19:30:00 - [93] 1 billion isk sent for 100 shares.
Kasheem Cetanes coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.06.18 00:34:00 - [94] Money Sent.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.18 13:20:00 - [95] I just wanted to stop in and say I have a lot of RL stuff to do today, and I'm leaving for a wedding tomorrow through the weekend. If I get my RL stuff done, I'll do the share distributions today, otherwise it'll be Sunday night or Monday morning, so don't panic if you don't see them today.
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.06.18 13:24:00 - [96] /me panicked and starts scratching his hands to blood...
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.19 12:21:00 - [97] All shares except for 2 awaiting payment from Imiom Ravena have been distributed.
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.06.19 12:50:00 - [98] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau All shares except for 2 awaiting payment from Imiom Ravena have been distributed. Confirming shares received.
Kapila Parthalan Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.19 13:33:00 - [99] Confirming receipt of shares.
Zenepher Money Trust	Posted - 2009.06.19 14:23:00 - [100] Confirming receipt of shares
Chu Ran Caldari Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.19 15:05:00 - [101] Confirming receipt of shares. Quick question: when will the dividend payout take place?
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.06.19 16:35:00 - [102] I just logged in, and I have my 250 shares now. Looking forward to profit.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.06.19 16:56:00 - [103] Confirming receipt of shares.
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.06.19 17:03:00 - [104] confirming shares received.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.19 17:20:00 - [105] Shares received, here's to a successful run by a Goon. .....who'd of thought those words would ever be uttered here
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Piezochem	Posted - 2009.06.19 17:28:00 - [106] Share received.
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.06.19 18:36:00 - [107] shares received, best of luck :)
Gabriel Virtus hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:41:00 - [108] I would like to reserve about 2B in the investment if any reservations fall through or people are looking to liquidate. I wish I forum warriored more often! -GV
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.19 19:42:00 - [109] Originally by: Gabriel Virtus I would like to reserve about 2B in the investment if any reservations fall through or people are looking to liquidate. I wish I forum warriored more often! -GV At this point, all but 2 shares have been paid for.
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2009.06.20 09:13:00 - [110] Capital Assistance in Destruction [CAIDS] Bond Offering Confirming receipt of 25 shares in CAIDS Investments paid for here; Name; CAIDS INVESTMENTS Headquarters; Duripant VII - Moon 6 - Federal Navy Academy School Description; Shares corp for capital AIDS Bonds CEO and Founder; Alger Galen Ticker name; CAI.B Shares; 4000 (remember the display bug) Member count; 1 Tax Rate; 0.0% Corporation founded; 2009.06.15 Thanks. -- DesuSigs
Gabriel Virtus hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.20 09:15:00 - [111] Originally by: Gabriel Virtus I would like to reserve about 2B in the investment if any reservations fall through or if people are looking to liquidate. I wish I forum warriored more often! -GV Hopefully people are looking to liquidate :). If not, I want 2 shares in goonvestments -GV
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.06.21 22:57:00 - [112] I've got a cash flow problem due to <ahem...> recent Dynasty Banking issues. I'm willing to sell up to 50 of my shares for 107.5% price, which is 537.5M ISK (10.75M ISK per share). Anyone interested, reply to this post.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:05:00 - [113] A further 21.485bn of capital has been released, in line with Chribba's updated list of unlocks. I'm holding on to the remaining 3.748bn until the last few BPOs are out of production.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.22 13:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro A further 21.485bn of capital has been released, in line with Chribba's updated list of unlocks. I'm holding on to the remaining 3.748bn until the last few BPOs are out of production. Confirming this. Also just a point of order, I will be paying the first interest payment on 7/15
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.06.25 22:41:00 - [115] All 40bn of shareholder capital has now been released, following further lockdowns. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
MailDeadDrop Globaltech Industries	Posted - 2009.06.25 23:04:00 - [116] Confirming 10 shares received. MDD
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.06.26 11:34:00 - [117] Confirming that Kazuo has released all of the money to me.
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.07.08 09:22:00 - [118] Just wanted to ask, how bussines is going so far and whether all is according to plan so far? thx :)
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.08 12:00:00 - [119] Going quite well, I've got a couple new dread & capital component prints in research and motherships on track to come out every three weeks with. The big mineral spike hasn't really affected me too much yet, I bought a huge batch of minerals just before the spike, and have been able to source some cheap minerals locally to hobble along until things settle down. My biggest problem thus far is a predicted liquidity crisis while I wait for that first big sale to come in, but I'll be fine for next weeks interest payment.
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.07.08 12:02:00 - [120] thank you for update o/
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.08 12:27:00 - [121] I don't think you'll have a problem with sales, dread/carrier contracts are up for me so Im going to assume that demand is picking up for capitals again.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.07.15 14:55:00 - [122] First payment went out today.
Markeur	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:05:00 - [123] Edited by: Markeur on 15/07/2009 15:05:07 Received
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.07.15 15:06:00 - [124] received thanks :)
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.07.15 16:46:00 - [125] Received the expected amount, thanks. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kapila Parthalan Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:44:00 - [126] Confirming receipt of dividend.
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.07.15 21:06:00 - [127] Confirming receipt
Chu Ran Caldari Heavy Influence BearForceOne.	Posted - 2009.07.15 22:14:00 - [128] Confirming receipt.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2009.07.15 22:21:00 - [129] Dividend received. So far it looks like I won't need to -rep. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Bankimus EVE Wealth Management	Posted - 2009.07.15 23:52:00 - [130] Confirmed ______________________________________ http://sites.google.com/site/evewealth
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.08.14 19:36:00 - [131] A day early, but never a dollar short.
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.08.14 22:18:00 - [132] Confirming receipt of dividend payment.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.15 16:34:00 - [133] 3rd interest payment made. Also a brief halfway mark update: Dread prices and volume sales have both tanked, so I've shut down production on those at least for the time being. The bright news is that some rumors from PAX about a mothership buff have increased speculation on those hulls. Increased interest in MS hulls has allowed me to divert my idle dread bpos to building motherships instead, maintaining an acceptable level of profitability in the business. CCP has a lot of changes planned for Dominions, and I'm going to need to find ways to adapt like everyone else. I can't say much today, but stay tuned and hopefully I'll have more details soon(tm).
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.09.15 18:28:00 - [134] I confirm receipt
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.09.15 23:20:00 - [135] Confirming receipt of 3rd dividend payment of 5%.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.15 15:31:00 - [136] 4th payment made.
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.10.16 01:25:00 - [137] Confirming receipt of dividend payment #4 of 5%
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.10.16 09:48:00 - [138] received, thank you
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.10 04:58:00 - [139] With the 5th payment scheduled for next week, and the final payment as well as bond maturity due a month after that, I figured now is a good time to get some discussion going on what to do next. Right now I've stopped dread/carrier production until I see what happens with dominion. Just running bpcs from my prints is earning enough that the loss on interest from this is negligible, so I can wait out this downturn in the dread market for quite a while, or at least a month or two after dominion to see how things shake out. I'm curious to hear what the investors want. Do you want a full repayment as scheduled, or let it ride for a month or two after dominion, with a possible further extension or repayment depending on what the market does?
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2009.11.10 05:52:00 - [140] Take the money and run. I hear Sophie is getting quite a bit of heat from her fellow goons that she is giving them a bad reputation.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.10 06:50:00 - [141] Originally by: Claire Voyant Take the money and run. I hear Sophie is getting quite a bit of heat from her fellow goons that she is giving them a bad reputation. Which means a good reputation? I mean I guess some (most?) goons would consider a good reputation in public to be a bad reputation.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.10 08:31:00 - [142] I think that the very fact you are "pausing" suggests it'd be best to close the investment an thus set the records. Once it's time to manufacture again, you'll have a clean and orderly restart. Going ahead without a current "need" imho is less beneficial than giving investors a breath. Also, giving them back the principal = better PR than not want to release it, for a Goon that wants to have MD clients some decent PR has some priority. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Emmgel	Posted - 2009.11.10 08:54:00 - [143] The deal is the deal. I would suggest paying out as scheduled in the original agreement. IF however you wished to launch a new agreement that continues onwards from this one, then I don't think you will need much help in securing further investment. Emmgel
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.11.10 09:39:00 - [144] What level of dividends are you able to sustain via BPC production? If it's still 4-5% it's probably worth seeing if things pick up. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.10 10:20:00 - [145] If production and dividends are going to stop i guess repayment is the best option so we can put our money somewhere else for the while.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.10 13:27:00 - [146] Edited by: Sophie Daigneau on 10/11/2009 13:32:26 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro What level of dividends are you able to sustain via BPC production? If it's still 4-5% it's probably worth seeing if things pick up. Originally by: Dibsi Dei If production and dividends are going to stop i guess repayment is the best option so we can put our money somewhere else for the while. The 5%/month rate would continue. Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I think that the very fact you are "pausing" suggests it'd be best to close the investment an thus set the records. Once it's time to manufacture again, you'll have a clean and orderly restart. Going ahead without a current "need" imho is less beneficial than giving investors a breath. Also, giving them back the principal = better PR than not want to release it, for a Goon that wants to have MD clients some decent PR has some priority. For almost all businesses in eve, if profits have declined where you need to pause production, its time to get out. Capital production is a little different and follows very extreme business cycles. The econ report from a quarter or two ago showed a great graph of this effect. In that type of a cycle, it would make sense to pause production temporarily if you thought you were near an inflection point. The fact that so many capital production prints have been for sale in the sales forum, combined with much hubbub about a huge invasion coming in a few weeks leads me to believe we are indeed at an inflection point.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.10 14:46:00 - [147] Quote: I'm trying to get a feel for what the attitude is among the investors on this Well, even if minimal I did invest in this. But even if I did not, I'd still suggest to pass thru the hassle of liquidating investors, because it's true you are in the unique capitals market (as you say) but you are also in the unique situation of being in an alliance whose fame is not totally rosy. Investors seeing their money kept could start thinking the wildest things and this would be bad PR for your future endeavours. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.11.10 14:49:00 - [148] There have been plenty of other alliances that have lost people's trust- BRUCE went down with rather a lot of Fury Bank's assets, I recall. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.10 14:56:00 - [149] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: I'm trying to get a feel for what the attitude is among the investors on this Well, even if minimal I did invest in this. But even if I did not, I'd still suggest to pass thru the hassle of liquidating investors, because it's true you are in the unique capitals market (as you say) but you are also in the unique situation of being in an alliance whose fame is not totally rosy. Investors seeing their money kept could start thinking the wildest things and this would be bad PR for your future endeavours. Seriously? At this point I've paid out all interest payments on time, and have done absolutely nothing to violate investor trust. You got nothing and are just trolling for a reaction.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.10 15:16:00 - [150] I am not trolling. But hey, feel free to ask for opinions first, and then reply like that when you are not told what you wanted to listen. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.10 15:30:00 - [151] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau Edited by: Sophie Daigneau on 10/11/2009 14:56:41 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: I'm trying to get a feel for what the attitude is among the investors on this Well, even if minimal I did invest in this. But even if I did not, I'd still suggest to pass thru the hassle of liquidating investors, because it's true you are in the unique capitals market (as you say) but you are also in the unique situation of being in an alliance whose fame is not totally rosy. Investors seeing their money kept could start thinking the wildest things and this would be bad PR for your future endeavours. Seriously? At this point I've paid out all interest payments on time, and have done absolutely nothing to violate investor trust. You got nothing and are just trolling for a reaction. edit: You're almost as bad as Kalrand, not quite, but keep it up and maybe you'll pass him. You know, Karttoon is a big fan of VV.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.10 15:44:00 - [152] Listen: I don't give a flying phuk that you are in your alliance. At the same time, I got put in my alliance where I know less people than I know in my supposed "enemies" (GS and Brick Squad, actually most of my day 1 friends are now blinky without anyone of us breaking a sweat). The objections I state come from having assisted a good dozen of people create their investment and where I had to interpret the average MD investor feelings to make my clients present something viable and that would be accepted. It's not my fault that whatever you'll do, it will always carry a dead weight without your fault but because of how your members unpopular policies. If you don't share my observations, feel free to, but it's not trolling and it's also legitimate because you asked for feedback and I also put money in it. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.11.10 15:53:00 - [153] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau Chapter 9 - Bond Closing Details The bond will run for six months from issue. After that time I will either repay all investors, or refinance the terms for a longer period. If I chose not to refinance, isk will be repaid to investors, and upon confirmation, Chribba will unlock the blueprints for me. It is not unusual to continue a bond or as you quote in your OP to refinance. The best way to do this is to make an offer to investors like I have done before. Give people the choice to either: 1. Be paid back 2. Roll over for a further 6 months and continue paying the bond interest 3. You can then re-sell the shares from people who got out. Whatever happens you must allow the bondholders their choice on an individual basis NOT a vote.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.10 15:59:00 - [154] Edited by: Sophie Daigneau on 10/11/2009 15:59:19 Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: Sophie Daigneau Chapter 9 - Bond Closing Details The bond will run for six months from issue. After that time I will either repay all investors, or refinance the terms for a longer period. If I chose not to refinance, isk will be repaid to investors, and upon confirmation, Chribba will unlock the blueprints for me. It is not unusual to continue a bond or as you quote in your OP to refinance. The best way to do this is to make an offer to investors like I have done before. Give people the choice to either: 1. Be paid back 2. Roll over for a further 6 months and continue paying the bond interest 3. You can then re-sell the shares from people who got out. Whatever happens you must allow the bondholders their choice on an individual basis NOT a vote. Regardless of what gets decided, ANY individual who wishes their money returned at the end of the 6 months WILL have their money returned in one way or another. I guess what I'm trying to determine here is if it'd be easier to do that on a one-off basis, or if there'd be a large enough group not wanting to refinance to just pay it all out as a lump sum dividend and re-sell new shares. Reselling shares comes with a lot of administrative hassle compared to just extending interest payments further, which is what I'd like to avoid if possible. Again, any individual wanting to be repaid will be.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.11.10 16:03:00 - [155] Put up a notice on here that your wish is to continue the bond for 6 months, and that shareholders should advise of what they wish to do. See what feedback you get.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.10 16:05:00 - [156] VV: Maybe you're not making your point clear, or maybe I'm misreading you, but all I'm hearing is "Goons are scammers, therefore everything should be repaid." This doesn't really make sense from a rational investors point of view because their reputation was terrible 6 months ago, and it doesn't take the great carnack to see it'll still be bad 6 months from now. The folks who originally invested knew that, and they either want to keep receiving interest payments, or they don't. Goons being scammers now, then, or in the future probably doesn't factor into that.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.10 16:46:00 - [157] Quote: VV: Maybe you're not making your point clear, or maybe I'm misreading you, but all I'm hearing is "Goons are scammers, therefore everything should be repaid." It's the latter. All I wanted to say is that to remove any possible reason of doubt and to close with fireworks and cheers - even if it's a burden - you should have taken the opposite stance, that is to propose to repay, close and reopen after Dominion. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kitchie Gallente Vikramaditya	Posted - 2009.11.10 16:48:00 - [158] I have 1 Billion invested and have been very happy with the prompt and efficient dividend payments. If Sophie ganked my Hulk, Freighter or POS, I would not be upset, that's what goons do and why we hate them but that is not a scam. I have read Sophie's posts from long before this offering and while taken within the "Goon" framework, feel that if she gives her pledge, then I would trust it. Also, not to be forgotten, this issue is also collateralised, so the risk should be minimal. I'm happy with the interest, not concerned about the risk and do not require the initial invested capital - I am therefore happy to go along with whatever she wants to do. Dominion prediction is not only affecting the Cap ship market but also T2 materials, moon goo and a ton of others. Most of the big wheeler/dealers will be affected by it in some way or another but until it comes, we just don't know how...... My vote: Go ahead with whatever, Sophie.
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.10 17:32:00 - [159] There's one more big issue with me repaying. If I repay then relaunch a new bond in the future, the existing bondholders would have no promise of getting in on that next venture. I'll let some open discussion continue here today, then later tonight post a non-binding corporate vote to get a little more attention from people who may not read the forum, and also to give me a survey of what actual investors think.
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2009.11.10 17:33:00 - [160] I've been more than pleased with the way this bond has been run and the promptness of all payments. But, at this time I'm looking to shrink my percentage of investments and would like to abide by the original bond time frame.
Yarinor Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.11.10 17:50:00 - [161] I have a suggestion for a solution, liquidate so you can pay back any investor wishing to get out after the last payment. Spend the next month taking reservations on the returned shares Pay first dividend on the extended bond. Distribute shares to new investors.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.11.10 18:11:00 - [162] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau Regardless of what gets decided, ANY individual who wishes their money returned at the end of the 6 months WILL have their money returned in one way or another. I guess what I'm trying to determine here is if it'd be easier to do that on a one-off basis, or if there'd be a large enough group not wanting to refinance to just pay it all out as a lump sum dividend and re-sell new shares. Reselling shares comes with a lot of administrative hassle compared to just extending interest payments further, which is what I'd like to avoid if possible. Again, any individual wanting to be repaid will be. Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha you should have taken the opposite stance, that is to propose to repay, close and reopen after Dominion. As I read it, that's exactly what she proposed. Any individual can get their money and get out. If enough wish to do this, it sounds like she plans on just completely closing out.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.10 18:54:00 - [163] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau The 5%/month rate would continue. Oh, do continue in that case.
Mr Bussy	Posted - 2009.11.11 12:34:00 - [164] I personally prefer being paid back at the end of 6 months period. Thank you.
MailDeadDrop The Collective	Posted - 2009.11.11 15:56:00 - [165] I have no personal preference. However, in the interest of polishing your reputation, I would suggest closing the bond offering as scheduled. If you do, there's no reasonable way for any future troll to claim "she's unreliable -- she doesn't do what she says she will." MDD
Cpt Steo	Posted - 2009.11.12 19:39:00 - [166] I am happy with my investment... everything has been on time and above board. If you wish to close thats fine... if you wish to continue I am happy to do so. Regards Steo
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.12 19:56:00 - [167] Thanks to CCP I just lost about 20b from the MS change. That shouldn't affect this too much, but shouldn't affect this too much.
LJB	Posted - 2009.11.14 01:04:00 - [168] Hi There, Although i have been happy thus far, id prefer repayment at the end of the 6 months please. Thanks LJB
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.14 01:12:00 - [169] It looks anecdotally that there's enough folks to just warrent a full repayment, which works out well since if I do remain in business, I'm considering shifting my production to another system anyways and would need to unlock everything before locking it back down again. There's an in-game vote running for another day or so just to confirm my suspicion though. For those who wanted to continue anyways, at this hour I'm leaning towards staying in business, but that changes with every post from CCP. If I repay and stay in business, I'll be back with a bigger bond shortly after repaying this one.
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.11.14 01:57:00 - [170] If the bond continues, I would be happy to continue my investment. I would also be interested in buying some shares from other investors.
Cathra Dekiernau	Posted - 2009.11.15 18:11:00 - [171] While I'm happy with the venture so far (payments have been on time and of the size promised), I'd prefer to be repaid at the end of the 6-month period.
Kasheem Cetanes Optimus Crime. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.11.16 01:59:00 - [172] I am very happy with this this bond so far. I would love to continue. I gave you a billion isk to generate me some passive income and you have done awesome. I'll continue investing with you as long as you'll have me XD
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.16 14:50:00 - [173] As expected, the vote was to repay everything in full on Dec 15th. I will very likely be putting together another bond to replace this one in the next few weeks. Details on that will be coming later.
Skarii TuThess Lansez Innovations	Posted - 2009.11.25 20:07:00 - [174] Sophie, would you please give first call on any future bond to existing investors?
Marcus Baltar	Posted - 2009.11.26 10:29:00 - [175] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau As expected, the vote was to repay everything in full on Dec 15th. I will very likely be putting together another bond to replace this one in the next few weeks. Details on that will be coming later. I would be more than happy to continue my investment, but if you are closing up and relaunching, I would like to (prematurely) reserve at least a billion ISK in the the new scheme (pending being alive/cash/audit/the world not ending, etc.). Thanks. --
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.02 14:01:00 - [176] Edited by: Sophie Daigneau on 02/12/2009 14:01:37 The principle of 40b as well as remaining 2b interest payment has been made two weeks ahead of schedule. Thanks to CCP for the removal of the dividend cap and saving me more than a few clicks. I will be back with another bond to replace this one, details should be available in the coming days. edit: the shares corp will be closed soon and your shares are now worthless. Feel free to do whatever you like with them.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.12.02 14:03:00 - [177] Originally by: Sophie Daigneau Edited by: Sophie Daigneau on 02/12/2009 14:01:37 The principle of 40b as well as remaining 2b interest payment has been made two weeks ahead of schedule. Thanks to CCP for the removal of the dividend cap and saving me more than a few clicks. I will be back with another bond to replace this one, details should be available in the coming days. edit: the shares corp will be closed soon and your shares are now worthless. Feel free to do whatever you like with them. Noes, Could you contact us, your loyal investors, first about the upcoming bond?
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2009.12.02 15:15:00 - [178] Confirming receipt of principal and last interest payment. This bond was run superbly by Sophie. Payments like clockwork, excellent communication. Best of luck with your next offering, Sophie.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2009.12.02 15:21:00 - [179] Originally by: Mephistocles Confirming receipt of principal and last interest payment. This bond was run superbly by Sophie. Payments like clockwork, excellent communication. Best of luck with your next offering, Sophie. I just glanced over the thread, and this is pretty much a template on how to present and run an offering. I hope it doesn't catch on, or us MD trolls will be out of a job. Gratz.
Cathra Dekiernau	Posted - 2009.12.02 15:53:00 - [180] Last interest payment + principal received. Thanks for the profit -- bond was excellently run!
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.02 22:15:00 - [181] Confirming receipt of payment #6 of 5% and principal return. Also, confirming receipt of payment #5 of 5% on 2009.11.14, which everyone apparently forgot to post about. Received total of 30% interest from 2009.06.15 to 2009.12.02. Thanks! I look forward to your next offering.
Chu Ran Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.12.03 02:53:00 - [182] Confirmed receipt of full original investment amount + last 5% interest payment. Professionally done from beginning till end, A+. Would definitely invest again (on condition that Chribba holds collateral again, ).
Davramm	Posted - 2009.12.03 03:33:00 - [183] useless reply, i didnt like all those 6`s New Eden Trading

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.12.03 19:25:00 - [184] Seeing as everything is repaid now - collateral is now released. Win a Wyvern mothership for 10M ISK

Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.03 20:53:00 - [185] Awesome. Thanks again chribba.

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