Originally by: CCP Whisper

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Boo hoo. Cry some more.

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Originally by: Khornne

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So you basicly got a boner about the black abaddon and add some random stuff for other races to complete the post?

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Originally by: Khornne

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EDIT: Marauders are fine.

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Originally by: CCP Whisper

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Boo hoo. Cry some more.

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Originally by: Ziester

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G : Dominion, Hyperion hull, using drones ( With likely a +1 drone per Marauder level ? )

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Originally by: Ziester

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C : Shark, Rokh Hull, using ... hybrids again ? drones ?

/discuss

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Originally by: Justice Bringer

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Originally by: Ziester

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C : Shark, Rokh Hull, using ... hybrids again ? drones ?

/discuss

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Hmm, last time I checked most if not all Caldari ships had names related to birds of prey in one guise or another. How do Sharks fit into this category?

Thanks

Justice

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Originally by: Justice Bringer

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But then again, Cerberus is a 4 headed beast from Hades and the Ferox is not an animal i know of...!

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Originally by: Khornne

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Edited by: Khornne on 16/06/2009 12:18:09

So you basicly got a boner about the black abaddon and add some random stuff for other races to complete the post?

EDIT: Marauders are fine.

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Originally by: Ziester

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G : Dominion, Hyperion hull, using drones ( With likely a +1 drone per Marauder level ? )

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This is where your post went wrong. Tier1 marauders have a 100% damage bonus, but also their number of weapons reduced to keep a similar dps.

Your ship would have a ridiculous dps.

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Originally by: Justice Bringer

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Originally by: Justice Bringer

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Originally by: Ziester

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C : Shark, Rokh Hull, using ... hybrids again ? drones ?

/discuss

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Hmm, last time I checked most if not all Caldari ships had names related to birds of prey in one guise or another. How do Sharks fit into this category?

Thanks

Justice

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But then again, Cerberus is a 4 headed beast from Hades and the Ferox is not an animal i know of...!

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Originally by: Psiri

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It's s'posed to be a black apoc =(

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Originally by: Commander Yassir

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Confirming that you absolutely fail for requesting more Marauders. Subsequently confirming that the Tier 3 Hulls need to be used for something.

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Originally by: OP

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G : Dominion, Hyperion hull, using drones ( With likely a +1 drone per Marauder level ? )

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Originally by: Unworldly1

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and we all know that price is rarely a barrier to PVP use if the ship is dangerous enough.

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Originally by: Letifer Deus

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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 17/06/2009 04:28:24
Which is why, say, nightmares are so popular in PvP.

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Originally by: Carniflex

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The current marauders already fulfill their role quite good. That Role being PvE. Well ok ... 3 of them do - minny one is a bit meh when compared to others but that is not exactly the fault of ship but more like fault of weapon system.

So I do not think tier 3 hulls should be used as marauders. There is many other directions available tho. Starting with wormhole battleships (greatly reduced mass, some bonuses for probing and stuff) and ending with all the other stuff mentioned above like bigger command ships and so on. Altho current roles are already quite decently filled so it would be better if the role would be something unique - not something that is already fulfilled and where the new ship or the old ship would be pointless bcos there would be something that does it better.

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Originally by: Unworldly

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And that, my comprehensionally challenged friend, is why I said "rarely"

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Originally by: JordanParey

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Originally by: Carniflex

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The current marauders already fulfill their role quite good. That Role being PvE. Well ok ... 3 of them do - minny one is a bit meh when compared to others but that is not exactly the fault of ship but more like fault of weapon system.

So I do not think tier 3 hulls should be used as marauders. There is many other directions available tho. Starting with wormhole battleships (greatly reduced mass, some bonuses for probing and stuff) and ending with all the other stuff mentioned above like bigger command ships and so on. Altho current roles are already quite decently filled so it would be better if the role would be something unique - not something that is already fulfilled and where the new ship or the old ship would be pointless bcos there would be something that does it better.

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What if you combined the Tier 3 Wormhole BS idea with the heavy command ship idea?

Something like...

Tornado (t2 Maelstrom)
-3 turrets, so it goes something like this:

Minmatar Battleship bonus: 5% bonus to Large Projectile rate of fire and 7.5% reduction in mass per level.
Heavy Command Ship Bonus: 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount and 5% bonus to effectiveness of Skirmish Warfare gang links per level.

Role Bonus: 99% reduction in gang link fitting requirements
100% bonus to Large Projectile turret Damage

Same requirements as Command ships, but needs CS 5, Minmatar Battleship 5 and some random other required skill that's sort-of relevant.

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Originally by: Kellath Eladrel

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Originally by: JordanParey

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Originally by: Carniflex

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The current marauders already fulfill their role quite good. That Role being PvE. Well ok ... 3 of them do - minny one is a bit meh when compared to others but that is not exactly the fault of ship but more like fault of weapon system.

So I do not think tier 3 hulls should be used as marauders. There is many other directions available tho. Starting with wormhole battleships (greatly reduced mass, some bonuses for probing and stuff) and ending with all the other stuff mentioned above like bigger command ships and so on. Altho current roles are already quite decently filled so it would be better if the role would be something unique - not something that is already fulfilled and where the new ship or the old ship would be pointless bcos there would be something that does it better.

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Okay, maybe the role bonus for command links is overkill, but it would actually still help in wormholes. We don't need scanning battleships, leave that job to the quicker, more agile scanning-appropriate frigates.

I'm just saying that if you combined the two (because all the good WHs can't be solo'd) it would be relevant to both fields, creating an interesting new ship with which to tinker.

What if you combined the Tier 3 Wormhole BS idea with the heavy command ship idea?

Something like...

Tornado (t2 Maelstrom)
-3 turrets, so it goes something like this:

Minmatar Battleship bonus: 5% bonus to Large Projectile rate of fire and 7.5% reduction in mass per level.
Heavy Command Ship Bonus: 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount and 5% bonus to effectiveness of Skirmish Warfare gang links per level.

Role Bonus: 99% reduction in gang link fitting requirements
100% bonus to Large Projectile turret Damage

Same requirements as Command ships, but needs CS 5, Minmatar Battleship 5 and some random other required skill that's sort-of relevant.

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I agree its niche should relate to wormholes, but I'd say leave the ganglinks for the command ship pilots. I would do something having to do with the new NPC AI, giving the pilot the ability to control enemy targeting to some extent - basically CCP introduced an aggro system so here is the tank which I just called Electronic Defense Ship.

In order to do anything you'd need high slot modules - which can temporarily prevent an ally from being (targeted, EWARed, warp jammed, damaged, or some combination). For PvE you could also have a module that increased the probability that you would be targeted.

I think this is specific enough to wormholes that it won't displace the current PvE hierarchy in empire. But I also think it has a bit more uses than the Black Ops. The counters would be to jam this ship or overload the defended ship.

Battleship bonus: 5% bonus to (damage/tracking/range) and 7.5% bonus to (tanking e.g. shield boost/resists/something).

Electronic Defense Ship Bonus: 7.5% reduction in effective mass per level and 10% bonus to (cap/cap recharge/resistance to cap drain).

Role Bonus: 99% reduction in Sensor Interceptor CPU use
100% bonus to (turret damage)
500% bonus to targeting range

Able to fit Sensor Interceptors and Projected Sensor Interceptors.

These would have good sensor strength but perhaps very poor scan resolution to prevent quick target switching and too much damage potential.

Skills something like:
Sensor Interception: Allows use of 1 Sensor Interceptor module per level
Interception Strength: Increases effectiveness per level - e.g. if damage is being prevented, how much damage can be absorbed per cycle. If warping is being prevented, how many points can be taken off.
Interception Field Duration: Basically improves cap usage of the modules and perhaps if the Defense ship is jammed the interception field will linger for the remainder of the cycle.

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Originally by: Ziester

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As of now we have

A : Paladin, Apocalypse Hull, using Laser Turrets
C : Golem, Raven Hull, using Missiles
G : Kronos, Megathron hull, using Hyprid Turrets
M : Vargur, Tempest hull, using Projectile Turrets

Since Black Ops are based on Tier 1 hulls, what we could imagine would be, with Tier 3 hulls :

A : Wrath, Abaddon hull, using Missiles ( new black/blue EoM "Abaddon" model anyone ? I'd so train Amarr just for such a ship :D )
C : Shark, Rokh Hull, using ... hybrids again ? drones ?
G : Dominion, Hyperion hull, using drones ( With likely a +1 drone per Marauder level ? )
M : Tsunami, Maelstrom hull, using missiles ?

Names are just a thought though.
Same improvements over Tier 1 Battleship as the Tier 1 Marauder counterpart ( 4 turrets/launchers but +100% damage, slighty better resists and such. For the Dominion, since it would be drone boat, maybe make its role bonus +5 Drone Control and the base
ship's bandwidth to 250m3, to put it in-line with the other marauders' role bonus ).

I know I'll probably get some "Let CCP f*ckin fix the f*kin bugs before getting those" and such, but it's just a crazy idea I had and I'd like some feedback about it :)

/discuss

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Originally by: Leiara Knight

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Heavy Command Salvager, able to provide a bonus to the salvaging ships in its gang. Instead of using weapons it would have a larger cargo bay and a high propulsion strength engine drive. Raise the targeting limit to 27 to help organisation in the thick of heavy combat.

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