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wiskyjack
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:16:00 -
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in general people are giving goon fare to much credit. They didnt break it steel it or kill it, they are just doing what hundreds before them have done.
Manipulate the markets...... Nothing new
Hulkageddon...going for five year's....nothing new
Forming a super blob alliance.......nothing new
What is affecting EVE in general is the overall negative attitude a large percentage of players have. Everyone is pissed off about something. Be it high sec miners hating tankers, low sect hating high sec etc etc etc
So in the work off CCP.... Everything is fine and our logs show nothing.
Because nothing has changed bar the size of the mittanis ego |
Francisco Bizzaro
112
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:21:00 -
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If you are going to start arguing that Diablo 3 bombed and nobody is playing it this week, you've got an uphill battle in front of you. Carry on. |
Windy Wavicle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:25:00 -
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19,000 online now?
Half of these are probably the most die-hard EVE players, having 5-6 accounts average. The other half are bots. You're basically playing with maybe 1000 humans, 900 of whom are AFK.
This doesn't even take into account the padding that CCP does. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
732
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:26:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Roime wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right... Im not saying ban griefing, just saying put yourself into a miner's shoes, many hulks have 200mil rigs, so 500 mil down the drain by a little tek 1 ship, who's gonna be hurrying back to play  I bet those T2 rigs were not for tank. Nothing will help the "wet paperbag" hulk against a couple of alpha strikers, we all know that.
That is a good reason to make it even more of a paper bag, but also more expensive. I love the miner logic <3
In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
650
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:29:00 -
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My corps activity (usually something 25 or so online) and yes it has halved, and yes it is due to D3, Guild Wars II etc... Plus teh weather is improving and even some Eve player slike to go out in daylight occasionally... Given that we are a corp who took part in the burning of Jita and some hulkageddoning (though not so much) I think that it is unlikely to have made my pilots quit Eve in rage.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:30:00 -
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Windy Wavicle wrote:19,000 online now?
Half of these are probably the most die-hard EVE players, having 5-6 accounts average. The other half are bots. You're basically playing with maybe 1000 humans, 900 of whom are AFK.
This doesn't even take into account the padding that CCP does.
There aren't a lot of people online when America is still asleep and Europe is just getting its morning coffee? Please, tell me more. |
Weyuun
The Unclaimed
Unclaimable
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:38:00 -
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Im a player of Eve for about a year and 1/2 now. Most of my income has come from mining.. nothting fancy, hours of work to earn enough to buy my first hulk.. followed by more hours of work. Im not into PvP, more because my lifestyle cant support the time it takes to hunt cooperatively with a group of others. I have lost 2 hulks now, to dirt cheap (in comparison) PvP ships.
I just wanted to say, I don't get it.. I really dont understand what fun or challenge there is, to destroy a mining ship. It seems such a selfish, ego driven, and teenage - rage thing to do. I understand of course, its for the ISK earning... but even so.. it seems so short sighted a way to play.
Don't the PvPers think that if the kill too many miners.. they themselves will have to go back to mining, to make up for the shortfall?.. Perhaps that's what it is.. control enough of the Market.. and you stand to make more of a profit.
I know that pretty much anything goes, in Eve.. I understand that, I signed up for it.. at least initially... all I can say is that contrary to many PvPers belief's ... as a miner, I cant afford to keep loosing mining ships, so I'm seriously considering quitting Eve.. and I know from all the posts I've been reading.. Im not the only one.
Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all? Hulkaggedon is just a big, idiotic and short sighted childhood bully-fest.
And a single visit to Hulkageddon V: Unholy Unions web page will reveal them for the silly children they are:
http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
100
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Shaampoo wrote:Please don't look at players on-line the week of a 12 years in waiting sequel But yes if look at the graph of players online things are dropping but i think that has nothing to do with any nullsec power bloc http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right... Ban all Hulkageddoners would solve this issue? Huh, well...
No but making it harder for griefers to make miners lives a misery in hi sec might, especially for those gamers who aren't interest in the PVP aspect of Eve, making it a little harder to suicide gank (do they still get insurance if shot by concorde ? not sure) and a ban on scamming new players to the game for the 1st few months could be good as well.
I saw some guy getting trolled because he fell for the Goon recruitment isk scam who was fairly new to the game, why would he stick around if thats his experience of the community.
All of the above surely must put some players off Eve. Who wants to play something which sometimes feels like the bullies playground. You can tell the players who leave " can I have your stuff" but then who are you going to shoot and scam when all your victims have all fu**ed off to pastures new and just the bullies are left.
There have always been power blocks, Curse, BoB etc, but none have made it their mission to make other players lives a misery, unlike Goons with there self confessed "we don't want to ruin the game just your game" well when you have ruined allot of players games , why should they stick around for more of the same ? so you can mock them ?
Don't get me wrong, Kudos to Goons for what they have achieved, I just feel your going to scare allot of players away, and is that a good thing for the longevity of Eve.
I know im going to get trolled to death for this post.
Tal
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Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:41:00 -
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Weyuun wrote:
Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all?
I'd love to do the level 4 epic arcs in an untanked Megathron with a full rack of magstabs. But if I try to play in the way I prefer, I will only die. I guess the only alternative is to not do the level 4 epic arcs.
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Samillian
Moonshine Industries
The Last Chancers.
152
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:43:00 -
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The Goons aren't killing EvE, just stirring it up a bit which keeps it fresh. |
Josef Djugashvilis
179
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:44:00 -
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Once again, goon alt starting 'goons are killing Eve thread' to keep the goons in the spotlight?
You want fries with that? |
knulla
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:44:00 -
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Goons killing EVE? If anything it is the opposite. |
Weyuun
The Unclaimed
Unclaimable
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:49:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Weyuun wrote:
Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all?
I'd love to do the level 4 epic arcs in an untanked Megathron with a full rack of magstabs. But if I try to play in the way I prefer, I will only die. I guess the only alternative is to not do the level 4 epic arcs. Edit : And unsub with my 47 accounts of course.
Respectfully, Takseen.. I don't understand your point?.....
Are you saying that if I can't mine.. I should do some other activity?.. My point was.. I PREFER to mine.. its (usually) a relatively peacefull.. slow but profitable activity.. I mine in Hi-Sec.. 0.7 space, I do everything to try to be safe.. and still.. some teenager comes along and blows my ship out from under me. What I mean to say.. is that, for true "Carebear" play style players like me.. we are only punished, as things stand now.. I feel there should be a place in the game for all playstyles.. and making it impossilble (or uneconomical) to gank miners in high sec.. would solve this problem.
I'm a lilttle tired of the attitude of derision that people who don't PvP are subjected to in the game, its so narrow minded.
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Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas
The Paganism Alliance
75
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:52:00 -
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I'd be willing to bet a few have also gone to play DayZ for a bit (Arma 2 mod which has launched it to the current top seller on steam  ).
So yeah...
Diablo 3
Arma 2 DayZ
Miners sitting out until Hulka is over (afterall, that is what we tell them to do right?)
Come back after hulkageddon is finished (may 29th), and not at a time with big releases, and then give us the doomsday stats |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1528
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:58:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Roime wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right... Im not saying ban griefing, just saying put yourself into a miner's shoes, many hulks have 200mil rigs, so 500 mil down the drain by a little tek 1 ship, who's gonna be hurrying back to play I bet those T2 rigs were not for tank. Nothing will help the "wet paperbag" hulk against a couple of alpha strikers, we all know that.
Nothing will help a million EHP Damnation against enough alpha either.
Untanked hulks are getting chewed (not alpha'd) down by destroyers in .7 and .8 systems. Putting a DCII and a shield tank (with extenders) and a Logi in belt will significantly increase the cost to gank because Alpha ganks are more expensive than DPS ganks.
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Shian Yang
141
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:08:00 -
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Weyuun wrote:Are you saying that if I can't mine.. I should do some other activity?.. My point was.. I PREFER to mine.. its (usually) a relatively peacefull.. slow but profitable activity.. I mine in Hi-Sec.. 0.7 space, I do everything to try to be safe.. and still.. some teenager comes along and blows my ship out from under me. What I mean to say.. is that, for true "Carebear" play style players like me.. we are only punished, as things stand now.. I feel there should be a place in the game for all playstyles.. and making it impossilble (or uneconomical) to gank miners in high sec.. would solve this problem.
I'm a lilttle tired of the attitude of derision that people who don't PvP are subjected to in the game, its so narrow minded.
Greetings capsuleer,
Derision? I did not see any. Apart perhaps from your near constant references to teenagers, children and so forth as if some fool would entrust a ship worth a million ISK to a juvenile capsuleer? What madness!
If you feel derision though, t would be because you are behaving like a bleating sheep.
"I would prefer"
"My way"
"I can't"
Come now.
Why should your choices be enforced on other capsuleers? Pirates will always attack vulnerable, valuable targets even in high security space. Exercise your options to defeat them, just as they are exercising their options to blow your ship to space dust. Imagine the satisfaction when you have managed to turn the tables on them ...
You are a god. An immortal capsuleers striding amongst the stars. Man up. Live like one.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:20:00 -
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I confirm the OP. Eve population has halved in the last 3 months. New players who refuse to buy a plex on their credit card and donate it to Goonswarm Federation are being perma banned by Goon Devs. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
755
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:35:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Greetings capsuleer,
Derision? I did not see any. Apart perhaps from your near constant references to teenagers, children and so forth as if some fool would entrust a ship worth a million ISK to a juvenile capsuleer? What madness!
If you feel derision though, t would be because you are behaving like a bleating sheep.
"I would prefer"
"My way"
"I can't"
Come now.
Why should your choices be enforced on other capsuleers? Pirates will always attack vulnerable, valuable targets even in high security space. Exercise your options to defeat them, just as they are exercising their options to blow your ship to space dust. Imagine the satisfaction when you have managed to turn the tables on them ...
You are a god. An immortal capsuleers striding amongst the stars. Man up. Live like one.
Regards,
Shian Yang
Dear Capsuleer,
He has an eternity. He wants an eternity of mining. We were happy to allow this. He clarified he wanted an eternity of mining peacefully.
Negotiations had to be broken off at that point.
With a T2 Catalyst alt,
~Ala
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
650
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:51:00 -
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Id just like to add, last night I logged on my empire mining alt, probed down a hidden belt and mined it happily for 2 hours while messing around on the net so semi afk mining, in hisec. Didnt see a soul. Didnt get ganked, made about 25 million isk.
Is that so very hard to do to stay safe during the only real time of risk? When hulkaggedon isnt on I do full on afk mining while I do housework, stuff with my kids etc. I have never been ganked. Am I doing it wrong?
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
Hedonistic Imperative
165
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:59:00 -
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Goons cause drama
Eve is drama
Goons make eve
However much I dislike them, there needs to be oposing forces in eve so that there's war and haterd amonst the players.
Imagine if all the football teams decided that everyone was just as good as each other and that it'd be much nicer if they just had a jog round the field followed by a BBQ, nice as that may be, it'd be a much less interesting game. |
Weyuun
The Unclaimed
Unclaimable
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:59:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Greetings capsuleer,
Derision? I did not see any. Apart perhaps from your near constant references to teenagers, children and so forth as if some fool would entrust a ship worth a million ISK to a juvenile capsuleer? What madness!
If you feel derision though, t would be because you are behaving like a bleating sheep.
"I would prefer"
"My way"
"I can't"
Come now.
Why should your choices be enforced on other capsuleers? Pirates will always attack vulnerable, valuable targets even in high security space. Exercise your options to defeat them, just as they are exercising their options to blow your ship to space dust. Imagine the satisfaction when you have managed to turn the tables on them ...
You are a god. An immortal capsuleers striding amongst the stars. Man up. Live like one.
Regards,
Shian Yang Dear Capsuleer, He has an eternity. He wants an eternity of mining. We were happy to allow this. He clarified he wanted an eternity of mining peacefully. Negotiations had to be broken off at that point. With a T2 Catalyst alt, ~Ala
Lol.. Alavaria... at least you were able to communicate your point with humour... and Shian.. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion on anyone.. nore am I bleating.. merely trying to communicate the frustrations of a Carebear style player, to an unbalanced inequity. Fancy words aside.. there are plenty of areas where miners can be ganked if they want to risk the better mineral deposits.. what Im proposing is that we make high sec space (say 0.7 and up) a much more expensive ganking field. You could still gank, if that's what you choose to do.. it will just cost you more than you stand to make. That way, there is room for a miner/high sec playstyle. I dont mind being ganked occasionally.. it's being constantly killed and unable to earn enough to cover the costs.. which is turning me away from this otherwise interesting game.
Shian.. "why should my choice be enforced on other players"... lol.. I dont have the power to enforce anything on anyone, but neither should you :)
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Shian Yang
144
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:02:00 -
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Weyuun wrote:what Im proposing is that we make high sec space (say 0.7 and up) a much more expensive ganking field
Weyuun wrote:lol.. I dont have the power to enforce anything on anyone, but neither should you :)
Greetings capsuleer,
...
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Weyuun
The Unclaimed
Unclaimable
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:07:00 -
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Hi again Shian :)
Again,
It's a proposition... an idea, which if enough people agreed, might gain some credibility.. if not enough people agreed, the idea would die a natural death... in such ways.. progress can be made sometimes.
I do not see any apparent contradiction in this request. I belive you do, though, as you have quoted my two statements.. that is your right.
hmm.. incidently.. you asked me in an above post to "exercise my options to defeat them" (the pirates who gank miners in high sec).. Im curious.. for a high sec miner.. what options would those be?.. its kinda my point, you see.. that a carebear player.. who doesnt PvP.. has no other options.. thus... the inequity. |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1528
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:07:00 -
[54] - Quote
Weyuun wrote:
Lol.. Alavaria... at least you were able to communicate your point with humour... and Shian.. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion on anyone.. nore am I bleating.. merely trying to communicate the frustrations of a Carebear style player, to an unbalanced inequity. Fancy words aside.. there are plenty of areas where miners can be ganked if they want to risk the better mineral deposits.. what Im proposing is that we make high sec space (say 0.7 and up) a much more expensive ganking field. You could still gank, if that's what you choose to do.. it will just cost you more than you stand to make. That way, there is room for a miner/high sec playstyle. I dont mind being ganked occasionally.. it's being constantly killed and unable to earn enough to cover the costs.. which is turning me away from this otherwise interesting game.
Shian.. "why should my choice be enforced on other players"... lol.. I dont have the power to enforce anything on anyone, but neither should you :)
I'm down with that proposal. Limit mining ships in .7 and higher Sec systems to those that cannot be economically ganked when T2 fit. That leaves... Rokhs, and... well Rokhs really. Without some sort of making CONCORD read people's minds, this is the only way to make your proposal happen.
There you go, ganking in your "Gank-Free Haven" Space is now unprofitable. You can still mine, if that's what you choose to do... it will just cost you some yield to do it. That way, there's room for a reason to mine in normal High Sec.
Anyway, 1.0 Space has a fast Concord Spawn and probably will keep you safe from Catalyst ganks (the most profitable kind) if you tank your Hulk (this means Buffer, not Active, and fit a dang DCII).
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Yolanta Geezenstack
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:12:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Correlation does not imply causation.
This.
Other incidents I recognized that correlated with the number of EVE players the last days:
- number of muffins I have eaten over the day (positive correlation)
- number of times Madonna is mentioned in the news (negative correlation)
- number of times I have spilled coffee over the keyboard (strong negative correlation)
Further research is needed to show which of those are not only correlated, but actually are the cause for the number of EVE players. |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1528
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:14:00 -
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Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Correlation does not imply causation. This. Other incidents I recognized that correlated with the number of EVE players the last days: - number of muffins I have eaten over the day (positive correlation) - number of times Madonna is mentioned in the news (negative correlation) - number of times I have spilled coffee over the keyboard (strong negative correlation) Further research is needed to show which of those are not only correlated, but actually are the cause for the number of EVE players.
I'll put my money on Madonna.
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Weyuun
The Unclaimed
Unclaimable
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Weyuun wrote:
Lol.. Alavaria... at least you were able to communicate your point with humour... and Shian.. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion on anyone.. nore am I bleating.. merely trying to communicate the frustrations of a Carebear style player, to an unbalanced inequity. Fancy words aside.. there are plenty of areas where miners can be ganked if they want to risk the better mineral deposits.. what Im proposing is that we make high sec space (say 0.7 and up) a much more expensive ganking field. You could still gank, if that's what you choose to do.. it will just cost you more than you stand to make. That way, there is room for a miner/high sec playstyle. I dont mind being ganked occasionally.. it's being constantly killed and unable to earn enough to cover the costs.. which is turning me away from this otherwise interesting game.
Shian.. "why should my choice be enforced on other players"... lol.. I dont have the power to enforce anything on anyone, but neither should you :)
I'm down with that proposal. Limit mining ships in .7 and higher Sec systems to those that cannot be economically ganked when T2 fit. That leaves... Rokhs, and... well Rokhs really. Without some sort of making CONCORD read people's minds, this is the only way to make your proposal happen. There you go, ganking in your "Gank-Free Haven" Space is now unprofitable. You can still mine, if that's what you choose to do... it will just cost you some yield to do it. That way, there's room for a reason to mine in normal High Sec. Anyway, 1.0 Space has a fast Concord Spawn and probably will keep you safe from Catalyst ganks (the most profitable kind) if you tank your Hulk (this means Buffer, not Active, and fit a dang DCII).
Thankyou for a constructive and non-abusive contribution to this thread, Ruby. Least-ways.. that's how I'm taking it (it is kinda fun to make fun of people when they don't get that you are making fun of them.. almost like... ganking a defenseless miner in high sec ;)
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Heinrich Rotwang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:26:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:Eve is dieing again? Again!?!?!? Why wont it stay dead!
Now, if only CCP would port EVE to FreeBSD, I could finally run a dying game on my favorite dying OS. Zombiefest ftw! |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
39
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:32:00 -
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A lot of gankers don't do it for the profit (though you can occasionally get lucky). they do it for the lulz. or the tears. or both!
A few tips to help keep you safe:
1) if you know there's a crusade against mining ships, fit CHEAPLY! Covetors are a step down, yes, but cost roughly 3x less than a Hulk. Or Retrievers go for what, 10m these days? Yeah, you won't mine as much, but if/when you get suicide ganked, you won't lose as much money!
2) Avoid (T2) rigs. Why are you making a 500M Pinata? That's painting a target on the hull. Hell, if I knew someone in my local area of space had a 500M Hulk sitting defenseless in a belt, I'd probably go get a Catalyst or Thrasher. And I've never suicide ganked anyone in my life.
3) Keep Aligned. If you wanna Jetcan/Orca mine, align and then stop once you're aligned. This just means you need to get up to speed to warp out.
3.5) Warp Core Stabilisers if you think that someone might come after you, it wouldn't hurt to pop in a couple of WCS on your 500M Pinata. If it's an Alpha gank, you're screwed, but maybe, JUST MAYBE you'll make that ship that costs as much as a month's game time get the hell out of dodge before it's too late.
4) Spam the D-Scan. If you are mining during Hulkageddon and see either a Thrasher or a Catalyst getting close to you (2-300km out), warp off. If it's a false alarm, they'll probably move on pretty fast. if it's not, you just saved your HALF A BILLION ISK ship from destruction.
5) HTFU. if you mine during Hulkageddon and get ganked (or any other time of the year), remember it's just a game, and don't whine about it in local/on the forums. you're just feeding the trolls. And we find your tears so VERY Delicious. On second thought, make epic threadnaughts full of carebear tears about how a big meany in a 1M ISK ship blew up your PLEX-equivalent Pinata and ruined your day. |
Weyuun
The Unclaimed
Unclaimable
1
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Posted - 2012.05.18 09:40:00 -
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Lol.. Himnos....
Well spoken |
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