Im a player of Eve for about a year and 1/2 now. Most of my income has come from mining.. nothting fancy, hours of work to earn enough to buy my first hulk.. followed by more hours of work. Im not into PvP, more because my lifestyle cant support the time it takes to hunt cooperatively with a group of others. I have lost 2 hulks now, to dirt cheap (in comparison) PvP ships.

I just wanted to say, I don't get it.. I really dont understand what fun or challenge there is, to destroy a mining ship. It seems such a selfish, ego driven, and teenage - rage thing to do. I understand of course, its for the ISK earning... but even so.. it seems so short sighted a way to play.

Don't the PvPers think that if the kill too many miners.. they themselves will have to go back to mining, to make up for the shortfall?.. Perhaps that's what it is.. control enough of the Market.. and you stand to make more of a profit.

I know that pretty much anything goes, in Eve.. I understand that, I signed up for it.. at least initially... all I can say is that contrary to many PvPers belief's ... as a miner, I cant afford to keep loosing mining ships, so I'm seriously considering quitting Eve.. and I know from all the posts I've been reading.. Im not the only one.

Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all? Hulkaggedon is just a big, idiotic and short sighted childhood bully-fest.

And a single visit to Hulkageddon V: Unholy Unions web page will reveal them for the silly children they are:

http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/

Haven't read the entire thread but...

3 out 5 of my accounts are inactive because all i use them for is mining ...

I'm not saying goons are killing EVE but they sure are costing it subs...

Spoken like someone who hasn't got a clue. I think there's one goon in the top 10 of hulkageddon altogether.

Only people killing EvE are the people complaining about goons and other large organised entities.

in general people are giving goon fare to much credit. They didnt break it steel it or kill it, they are just doing what hundreds before them have done.

Manipulate the markets...... Nothing new
Hulkageddon...going for five year's....nothing new
Forming a super blob alliance.......nothing new

What is affecting EVE in general is the overall negative attitude a large percentage of players have. Everyone is pissed off about something. Be it high sec miners hating tankers, low sect hating high sec etc etc etc

So in the work off CCP.... Everything is fine and our logs show nothing.
Because nothing has changed bar the size of the mittanis ego

Yes, the player counts have also been higher, but not while those things have been happening. The pattern is the same as always, and the only thing the stats say with any volume is that the goons are a pretty insignificant factor.

Sorry mate just to correct you but even if there is only one Goon in the top 10. This is a Goon event which they are bank rolling, and I haven't really seen any other large entities being winged about apart from CCP.

I would hope the guy your quoting would also have a clue as to why his own accounts are inactive.

Try harder next time.

Cheers

Tal

I remember a long time ago there was this other PVP game called Darkfall. Players there complained that two alliances called Hyperion Kingdom and of course another alliance lead by Goons were destroying the game with their mega zerg tactics and bullying etc etc.

After a good 6 months of fighting and (though I loath to admit it) superior goon political manuevering, the Hyperion alliance was destroyed and the Goons got bored shortly thereafter and petered out to play other games. The player base of that game dropped from 10,000 or more to less than a few thousand in the span on a few months.

The moral of the story is that people routinely complain about the bad guys that make their life hell in an online game. Unfortunately, PVP based MMO's require bad guys as much as they require good guys. Without them, EVE players would die of boredom and this would be another in a long line of failed MMO's.

Don't get me wrong. I disagree with the Goons as an organization and I especially dislike the tactics that they use to accomplish some of their goals. You can't be assured that your contract with them will result in a payoff or a knife in back. Maybe some of that randomization appeals to others, it's just not for me.

I will however, recognize that Goons for better or worse bring a certain flavor to the game that help keep it alive. The goons provide a realistically mutually hated opponent that gives other players a reason to exist and rally again. They dare to do things that most corporations won't do simply because they push the bounds of what EVE players can do.

If you remove the Goons and people of their kind, EVE will become a more boring and stagnate place where absolutely nothing of interest will happen on a daily basis. Some of their actions and the actions of other famous trouble makers such as the black hand will live in infamy forever and draw players to an otherwise unknown game.

Sorry mate just to correct you but even if there is only one Goon in the top 10. This is a Goon event which they are bank rolling, and I haven't really seen any other large entities being winged about apart from CCP.

I would hope the guy your quoting would also have a clue as to why his own accounts are inactive.

Try harder next time.

Cheers

Tal

Try getting a clue yourself, the Goons aren't 'bankrolling' this event, they have donated prizes as many other have and the publicity for it was coupled with that of Burn Jita. Only those with their head stuck in the sand seem to believe this is a Goon run event.

You really don't do the arguments made here any favours by appearing to be so utterly clueless and whiney.

Its worth it in WHs where you can make hundreds of millions per hour mining, in hisec you make a fraction of that, obviously you havent mined in Hisec during Hulkageddon, who would with the lo returns and all that Dscanning lol

Ok corrected on the Goon front, but you don't do anyone any favours by being such a p*ick about about it.

Tal

Try getting a clue yourself, the Goons aren't 'bankrolling' this event, they have donated prizes as many other have and the publicity for it was coupled with that of Burn Jita. Only those with their head stuck in the sand seem to believe this is a Goon run event.

You really don't do the arguments made here any favours by appearing to be so utterly clueless and whiney.

Yeah and supposedly Helicity is a goon alt even though Hulkageddon has been run four times before without any "bankrolling."

he did me a favor by making me giggle at how hard he smacked you down

so i guess that isn't true either

he did me a favor by making me giggle at how hard he smacked you down

so i guess that isn't true either

Try getting a clue yourself, the Goons aren't 'bankrolling' this event, they have donated prizes as many other have and the publicity for it was coupled with that of Burn Jita. Only those with their head stuck in the sand seem to believe this is a Goon run event.

You really don't do the arguments made here any favours by appearing to be so utterly clueless and whiney.

Teddy Roosevelt suggested we "talk softly, but carry a big stick." All anyone needs if they're wanting to put Goonswarm in their (real or imagined) "place" is a big enough stick. Till that time comes...as they like to say...deal with it.

Teddy Roosevelt suggested we "talk softly, but carry a big stick." All anyone needs if they're wanting to put Goonswarm in their (real or imagined) "place" is a big enough stick. Till that time comes...as they like to say...deal with it.

The problem so far in Eve has been that all the people wanting to carry a big stick usually end up carrying a limp one about 90% of the time. I have yet to see one forums post calling for the destruction of the Goons result in anything substantial.

If you know others are donating ISK maybe you let us know who they are.

Actualy numpty I'll retract my retraction. Goons are mostly bank rolling this event. So climb back into your hole troll (see what I did there). I never claimed it was started or led by them , but it is definitely encouraged by them.

If you know others are donating ISK maybe you let us know who they are.

Looking at the tears tab on the above link, I'm not sure what ppl find funny about players leaving Eve, sad really.

Tal