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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.05.18 12:27:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Weyuun wrote:what options would those be? Engage friends. Mine in a group and rotate so some are flying either webbers or ships capable of an equal alpha strike. It might just be a deterrent.
Mine in a different location. New Eden is vast and you can find a dead system easily enough. In my regular haunts in low-sec there are areas where nobody will pop up for hours on local.
[/list] Security Status, like 0.7, gives people the impression they are safe. They're not. All it means is that CONCORD will respond and punish the person that blew you up. The only person that can make you safe is yourself. Regards, Shian Yang Spider Web your Hulks. It doesn't take long at all to warp out from 0 speed if you're quadruple webbed. Just pay attention to your overview (which is properly set up and not cluttered with roids, right?). Or heck, mine aligned while moving at 75% of 9m/s. Just be sure to fleet warp so nobody gets stuck. [Hulk, Hisec Mininh] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Nice you don't have to be able to outrun your predator, you just have to be able to get into warp faster than the gang down the belt , I like it
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
251
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Posted - 2012.05.18 12:30:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Jita burn, Hulkageddon V etc etc etc 17th of may, server didn't break 37 thousand online, never have I seen that before since started playing about 3 years ago. We live in interesting event horizons 
Really ?
Using your own link I see lots of times over the past year where the server population never hit 37,000. |
knulla
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.05.18 12:34:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Yup. My 4 Accounts are cancelled. This new one still has a week left of Trial and the paid month before going quiet.
Have spoken with 3 others who are quitting multi-accounts after over 3 years of playing. And those players were all in my home system. I'm sure there are others.
It's just too much trouble to actually have any real fun anymore.
The game has been utterly rebranded into only one Method of Fun. It's a sandbox, but the steering wheel is fixed (by Goons) and the speed is regulated by a governor (CCP).
I need a new highway..................
Fun to only mine highsec with 4 accounts in EVE is it? How much you must have missed in this form of entertainment known as video games.
I will not call you out on the bullshit but let others think for themselves, so take care  |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.05.18 12:37:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:
Really ?
Using your own link I see lots of times over the past year where the server population never hit 37,000.
Could possilbly be a case of English as 2nd Language with OP.
Indeed for the past year (even last H'geddon) daily server population is well over 40,000. This time, there have been anywhere from 5,000 to 10,000 less on per day, compared to pre-H'geddon numbers this time. Definitely less than 40,000 total for sure.
Probably a combo of the goon death squads and the sheer length of h'geddon this time, nerfed Mission bounties, and all the other nonsensical changes implemented the past year. Pretty much a game killing combo here for any casual player.
Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
knulla
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.05.18 12:38:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Weyuun wrote:what options would those be? Engage friends. Mine in a group and rotate so some are flying either webbers or ships capable of an equal alpha strike. It might just be a deterrent.
Mine in a different location. New Eden is vast and you can find a dead system easily enough. In my regular haunts in low-sec there are areas where nobody will pop up for hours on local.
[/list] Security Status, like 0.7, gives people the impression they are safe. They're not. All it means is that CONCORD will respond and punish the person that blew you up. The only person that can make you safe is yourself. Regards, Shian Yang Spider Web your Hulks. It doesn't take long at all to warp out from 0 speed if you're quadruple webbed. Just pay attention to your overview (which is properly set up and not cluttered with roids, right?). Or heck, mine aligned while moving at 75% of 9m/s. Just be sure to fleet warp so nobody gets stuck. [Hulk, Hisec Mininh] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Nice you don't have to be able to outrun your predator, you just have to be able to get into warp faster than the gang down the belt , I like it
Or you could just pay attention to local and d-scan, but I don't think anyone would suffer mining if it was not done botting or in the very least, 90% afk.
You would think miners would whine to CCP making it fun and more rewarding, instead of whining about getting killed once a year.
But I digress.
Who am I to argue how someone should play their game/sandbox by not actually playing it and instead watch TV, read a book or play pogo when logged in. |
Francisco Bizzaro
114
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Posted - 2012.05.18 12:49:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:It's a sandbox, but the steering wheel is fixed (by Goons) and the speed is regulated by a governor (CCP).
I need a new highway..................
One with slower speeds? Because that is what miners are asking for, right?
(By the way, unless sandboxes have changed quite a bit since I was a kid, I think you may be mixing metaphors there.) |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.18 13:01:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Yup. My 4 Accounts are cancelled. This new one still has a week left of Trial and the paid month before going quiet.
Have spoken with 3 others who are quitting multi-accounts after over 3 years of playing. And those players were all in my home system. I'm sure there are others.
It's just too much trouble to actually have any real fun anymore.
The game has been utterly rebranded into only one Method of Fun. It's a sandbox, but the steering wheel is fixed (by Goons) and the speed is regulated by a governor (CCP).
I need a new highway..................
Disclaimer: <- not a goon
It's not fixed by goons, it's fixed by bullies witch is an encouraged behaviour wince almost every high/low rule tends to accept if not promote that attitude.
If you take a close look you'll find out that actually Goons by their decisions and effort had the greatest Eve history success to make several alliances work together (some were red to each other) and form the greatest coalition of Eve history, making the space they hold probably the best part of Eve for pvp in gangs, very rich in targets or resources.
Are some of them jerks, scamers, uninteresting dudes yadayada? -of course, you have to realise it's a coalition of over 7500 players to admit there might be other thing than usual yadayada "goons are jerks".
Then you should realise that since you're not purple, green, blue start or blue cross you're a target, that simple and it's the same formula in whatever alliance.
If you knew eve for a while now you should know nothing or little is done when it has to, but when CCP can't do it other way (cf last year conflict)
-makes years everyone says high sec is far too safe for jerks, not for carebears = nothing is done
-makes years everyone or almost says gank in high sec makes eve look like a joke = nothing is done
Now, what the hell goons have to do with this and some more other issues that make a lot of players leave the dam game?
Fight with them, fight against them, you'll find out how much fun Eve can be. But you should not think that goons waste the game because they actually play it in a far fair way than the average high sec publord does.
Do they drive it? -it's a player driven content so at some point they do but those actions are probably more subtle and directed than the average player can understand.
If there weren't goons the game would probably be boring. Once again, join them or fight them, actually just play Eve and have fun.
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Jonah Gravenstein
294
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Posted - 2012.05.18 13:02:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:It's a sandbox, but the steering wheel is fixed (by Goons) and the speed is regulated by a governor (CCP).
I need a new highway.................. One with slower speeds? Because that is what miners are asking for, right? (By the way, unless sandboxes have changed quite a bit since I was a kid, I think you may be mixing metaphors there.)
He needs a plastic pig to go on that slow highway, personally I'll take the mkII Lotus Cortina that's parked next to it.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.05.18 13:08:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote: D-scan. It is a tool. Use it. There is a good guide for survival in low-sec; the same applies now. It may not be fun, but with practice it becomes second nature ...
This here right there.
Goons, Hulkageddon, Burn Jita, NullSec politics, carebears, griefers... all farts in the wind.
None of it would matter in the least if it were fun.
Nothing can kill EVE but EVE. |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries
The Last Chancers.
156
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Posted - 2012.05.18 13:25:00 -
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Its nice to see that the panic merchants and fear mongers are out in force, I like to see you getting some exercise. If you were all to be believed you wouldn't be able to see belts for Hulk wrecks or warp to a gate without bouncing off hauler debris.
You give the majority of HiSec residents who get on with playing the way they want to without screaming every five seconds a really bad name. |
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
178
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Posted - 2012.05.18 13:54:00 -
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If you think goons are killing Eve why don't you quit whining and join a nullsec alliance that hates goons. (there are quite a few)
Srs, be a part of the solution. Even an indurtialist/merchant/miner/missioner can do a ton for any alliance. Numbers are important, but so is the industrial base of any alliance. Any highsec player can help make a difference, it is all about putting in the effort to help! |
Zakuak
WISE OUTCASTS
Eternal Evocations
3
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:06:00 -
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Looking at the alltime daily averages, It looks perfectly healthy to me. Minor fluctuations are to be expected but the overall trend is in the positive.
I always fall back to eve and look very much forward to it. I'll dip out for a couple months or more at a time and play new game releases then get the eve bug and come creeping back.
Goons have nothing to do with this. |
Esturary
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:09:00 -
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That what they said about BOB years ago when they were in the same position. Things change over time and will again. There will be an implosion of some sort of egotistical proportions between CEO's or what have you and all out war will ensue and standings reset......you know the drill. Its like the Roman occupation........soon the enough the slaves will revolt and the fall will eventually come.....not that I wish that upon them as they have maintained an impressive run but it always seems to happen. |
Singoth
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:11:00 -
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It is the inaction of non-goons that goons are killing EVE.
Don't blame goons for what they are doing.
Blame yourself for not doing anything against them.
Not that I don't like goons. They're cool. But seriously, less yappin', more zappin' would be healthy for everyone.
Less yappin', more zappin'! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6881
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:12:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Every single one of these things have happened in previous years and the player count has been much higher then, so yeah, stats speak volumes. Every single one of those have happened in the previous years, and the results have been exactly the same. Yes, the player counts have also been higher, but not while those things have been happening. The pattern is the same as always, and the only thing the stats say with any volume is that the goons are a pretty insignificant factor.
For instanceGǪ
Thu-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á2011-11-10-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á37,648
Fri-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á2011-11-11-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á37,644
Tue-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á2011-11-15-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á35,660
Wed-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á2011-11-16-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á35,891
Thu-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á2011-11-17-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á35,404
Fri-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á2011-11-18-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á36,278
Factors: autumn lull before a patch (Crucible was released two weeks later); other releases (11-07 was the start of GǣAAA weekGǥ for the holiday release rush); low-population days (Saturadys through Mondays during the same period were all 40k+)GǪ and no goons (Goonswarm Shrugged ended one month earlier). So pre-patch lull and large game release on its own is enough to get the numbers down that low.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
1149
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:13:00 -
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EvE Online
Circling the drain since 2003
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
19
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:24:00 -
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Morganta wrote:EvE Online
Circling the drain since 2003
Must be a very small drain we are still circling  |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:30:00 -
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knulla wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
I need a new highway..................
Fun to only mine highsec with 4 accounts in EVE is it?
THIS ^^ is what is wrong with the PlayerBase of this joke of a game.
WHO said anything about F-ing mining ?
YOU did, that's who...............
It's just not worth hanging around brain dead a**es like yourself any longer. Your bullS*** has infected and ruined this once great game.
What a sad life you must lead where your only purpose is to shove your damned thoughts into other people's mouths.
That's why there is no descent discusion about what direction this game should take what for class-clown sad idiots like yourself.
I give you personally a thousand DisLikes.
Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:33:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:It's a sandbox, but the steering wheel is fixed (by Goons) and the speed is regulated by a governor (CCP).
I need a new highway.................. One with slower speeds? Because that is what miners are asking for, right? (By the way, unless sandboxes have changed quite a bit since I was a kid, I think you may be mixing metaphors there.)
WHY oh WHY is anything negative just ASSUMED to be about mining? Jebus H Hosanna Keeeeeeerist !!!!
Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
79
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:35:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Jita burn, Hulkageddon V etc etc etc 17th of may, server didn't break 37 thousand online, never have I seen that before since started playing about 3 years ago. We live in interesting event horizons
Its a sandbox, the Goons are the "arch enemy", unlike other crappy games, we have a real enemy, not some lame NPCs with scripted AI you can learn watching a YouTube vid.
It's a good thing.
I'm an American, English is my second language... |
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:36:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:If you think goons are killing Eve why don't you quit whining and join a nullsec alliance that hates goons. (there are quite a few)
What happened to the Sandbox ?
Sounds like calls for every one to be in lockstep synch here.
Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:38:00 -
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Singoth wrote:It is the inaction of non-goons that goons are killing EVE.
Don't blame goons for what they are doing.
Blame yourself for not doing anything against them.
Not that I don't like goons. They're cool. But seriously, less yappin', more zappin' would be healthy for everyone.
Go ahead Big Boy.
We'll sit here and watch this 'not end well' for you personally.
Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:39:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Jita burn, Hulkageddon V etc etc etc 17th of may, server didn't break 37 thousand online, never have I seen that before since started playing about 3 years ago. We live in interesting event horizons Its a sandbox, the Goons are the "arch enemy", unlike other crappy games, we have a real enemy, not some lame NPCs with scripted AI you can learn watching a YouTube vid. It's a good thing.
A good thing? An MMO where players are actual insane monolithic enemies that the NPCs like sansha only wish they could be?
Honestly, its what makes Eve, EVE. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:39:00 -
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Zakuak wrote:
Goons have nothing to do with this.
Ah. The fresh Spring-like scent of Delusion and Denial.
Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Zakuak
WISE OUTCASTS
Eternal Evocations
5
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:45:00 -
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There Fab, I gave you a like for that heheh |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.05.18 15:19:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Tippia wrote:Yes. Because D3 is an abysmal failure and no-one is playing it. And before that it was skyrim. A restaurant I worked in around 10 years ago, that was a weekly ritual. "We are dead because it's a long weekend" "We are dead because something is going on over town" We always had an excuse. Right up until they closed the doors we had excuses. We knew better, we also knew there really wasn't much we could do about it. No, I don't think EVE will be shut down in a year but misery loves company and stagnation breeds misery. Sorry, CCP I have no magic rainbow. If I come up with something I will share.
excuses are like assholes
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Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Welsige
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:06:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Zakuak wrote:
Goons have nothing to do with this.
Ah. The fresh Spring-like scent of Delusion and Denial.
Lol.
Besides the obvious hate and scape goating, one must seriously realize that Goons arent the only powerblock in the game.
We play it within its rules.
If people dont like it, they just need to shoot us down, instead of hiding its heads under the sand.
If afraid to do anything against what you perceive as "Evil", you can chose to either move away to other regions (goons reside in only 1 region, after all) and never encounter us. Or you can cry on forums.
Your choice, its a sandbox after all.
Not sure what people are crying for here.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
758
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:28:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Zakuak wrote:Goons have nothing to do with this. Ah. The fresh Spring-like scent of Delusion and Denial.
luv2deni
delud-erryday
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
267
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:06:00 -
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Despite Skyrim, SWtOR, and now Diablo 3, all of which I played...and still play, I still have managed to find time to play EvE...and even do a fair bit of mining lately.
I think the difference is in all those other games you are constantly having to actively play; your hands are always busy controlling your character. In EvE, particularly with mining, there's hands free time you can use to browse the market, plan your next move, read some forums, peruze your assets, set up manufacturing jobs and so on.
It's one thing I really love about EvE...you have complete control over the pacing of your gameplay, generally speaking. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:19:00 -
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Weyuun wrote:Takseen wrote:Weyuun wrote:
Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all?
I'd love to do the level 4 epic arcs in an untanked Megathron with a full rack of magstabs. But if I try to play in the way I prefer, I will only die. I guess the only alternative is to not do the level 4 epic arcs. Edit : And unsub with my 47 accounts of course. Respectfully, Takseen.. I don't understand your point?..... Are you saying that if I can't mine.. I should do some other activity?.. My point was.. I PREFER to mine.. its (usually) a relatively peacefull.. slow but profitable activity.. I mine in Hi-Sec.. 0.7 space, I do everything to try to be safe.. and still.. some teenager comes along and blows my ship out from under me. What I mean to say.. is that, for true "Carebear" play style players like me.. we are only punished, as things stand now.. I feel there should be a place in the game for all playstyles.. and making it impossilble (or uneconomical) to gank miners in high sec.. would solve this problem. I'm a lilttle tired of the attitude of derision that people who don't PvP are subjected to in the game, its so narrow minded.
Ah right, here's what I was getting at. I like to do an activity, level 4 epic arcs. To do these successfully, I need to fit my ship a certain way. In this case, strapping on a hefty tank to keep up with the ludicrous dps elite battleships can do to something with a Megathron's sig radius. I also have to pay attention to my armor and warp out if things get dicey.
If I wanted a more relaxed pve experience, I would take a sentry or ogre Domi, drop it in a level 4 mission, go afk and come back when the drones have killed everything.
If you also want a more relaxed mining experience, you'd be better off flying a Retriever or Covetor, or even a battleship in a 0.9 or 1.0 system(they have belts, right?) to ensure minimum Concord response time.
If you want to step it up a bit by taking an untanked Hulk into a 0.5-0.7 system, you need to take a bit more care. |
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