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Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:30:00 - [151] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:33:35 You sound quite angry Iluyen my friend maybe you should calm down a bit there before you start shooting out personal insults again. Any entity, be it a corp or an individual player is weakened if they associate with weaker entities. If you have a small corp full of good players thats very nice, similarly if you have a large corp full of good players like m0o then thats alright as well. Surely you agree that allying with weaker corps, even none pvp corps, does nothing but weaken your own corp? I mean surely you can see the base logic in this assupmtion? I really don't see your arguement tbh besides STAVROS IS WRONG (INSERT PERSONAL INSULT) STAVROS IS WRONG, M0o NEVER KILLED ANY CA EVER.... I'm not even going to bring up any past events because they really don't matter in this arguement and I really don't see why you brought them up, I mean I could bring up the fact you used to claim Evolution hacked your computer, turned off your modules and had the GM powers of the gods, but it doesn't have any bearing on this arguement so I won't bring it up. The fact is if YOU as a strong corp ALLY yourselves with weaker corps, YOU become weaker. If you have a problem with this assumption feel free to carry on posting, otherwise please let this thread go back on topic. Ciao! Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:30:00 - [152] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:33:35 You sound quite angry Iluyen my friend maybe you should calm down a bit there before you start shooting out personal insults again. Any entity, be it a corp or an individual player is weakened if they associate with weaker entities. If you have a small corp full of good players thats very nice, similarly if you have a large corp full of good players like m0o then thats alright as well. Surely you agree that allying with weaker corps, even none pvp corps, does nothing but weaken your own corp? I mean surely you can see the base logic in this assupmtion? I really don't see your arguement tbh besides STAVROS IS WRONG (INSERT PERSONAL INSULT) STAVROS IS WRONG, M0o NEVER KILLED ANY CA EVER.... I'm not even going to bring up any past events because they really don't matter in this arguement and I really don't see why you brought them up, I mean I could bring up the fact you used to claim Evolution hacked your computer, turned off your modules and had the GM powers of the gods, but it doesn't have any bearing on this arguement so I won't bring it up. The fact is if YOU as a strong corp ALLY yourselves with weaker corps, YOU become weaker. If you have a problem with this assumption feel free to carry on posting, otherwise please let this thread go back on topic. Ciao! Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:42:00 - [153] I'm sorry I wasn't trying to sound angry I was aiming more for condescending. And yes I have a problem with that assumption First of all explain to me how my ships shield suddenly lower, or I get so much worse at pvp by saying I am in an alliance. I don't. Secondly, there is strength in numbers, thats why you team up with evol/rkk/atuk/bnc. Jeez its beginning to sound like an alliance if you say it out loud. And last but not least, having industrial/research corps that are protected by pvp corps actually makes an alliance stronger provided they participate in the alliance. PVP is not the only aspect of this game that makes an alliance strong.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:42:00 - [154] I'm sorry I wasn't trying to sound angry I was aiming more for condescending. And yes I have a problem with that assumption First of all explain to me how my ships shield suddenly lower, or I get so much worse at pvp by saying I am in an alliance. I don't. Secondly, there is strength in numbers, thats why you team up with evol/rkk/atuk/bnc. Jeez its beginning to sound like an alliance if you say it out loud. And last but not least, having industrial/research corps that are protected by pvp corps actually makes an alliance stronger provided they participate in the alliance. PVP is not the only aspect of this game that makes an alliance strong.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:53:00 - [155] Thats fine, you have your opinion and I'll have mine and I'll just accept I'm not going to change yours. Its a similar situation to when you call cry that your being DOS'ed and that your firewall is going off the scale from attacks and people are turning off your modules. You believed it happened, most didnt. I will, as they say, agree to disagree. Last post from me cos we are busy hijacking a thread that has not much to do with us ^_^ Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:53:00 - [156] Thats fine, you have your opinion and I'll have mine and I'll just accept I'm not going to change yours. Its a similar situation to when you call cry that your being DOS'ed and that your firewall is going off the scale from attacks and people are turning off your modules. You believed it happened, most didnt. I will, as they say, agree to disagree. Last post from me cos we are busy hijacking a thread that has not much to do with us ^_^ Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:05:00 - [157] Actually you're both right from certain perspectives. Stav is correct that allying with weaker corps makes you weaker IF they do not contribute to the alliance. Then they simply mooch and breed animosity. Hmm, where have I seen this parallel? Eh, it'll come to me... Iluyen is correct IF those weaker (or non PvP corps) are team players and do contribute to the alliance in a substantial way. Hence the reason for the CA tax. This way even die hard miners that do so in the CA POS can contribute to the alliance in a substantial way that is more then mere lip service. Although we PvPers pay the same tax when we mine, I have absolutely no problems with miners that are helping the alliance in this manner.
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:05:00 - [158] Actually you're both right from certain perspectives. Stav is correct that allying with weaker corps makes you weaker IF they do not contribute to the alliance. Then they simply mooch and breed animosity. Hmm, where have I seen this parallel? Eh, it'll come to me... Iluyen is correct IF those weaker (or non PvP corps) are team players and do contribute to the alliance in a substantial way. Hence the reason for the CA tax. This way even die hard miners that do so in the CA POS can contribute to the alliance in a substantial way that is more then mere lip service. Although we PvPers pay the same tax when we mine, I have absolutely no problems with miners that are helping the alliance in this manner.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:08:00 - [159] Why Can't Someone Ban Walking Contradiction?! GodDamnit! WHERE'S THE JUSTICE MODS?! WHEREEEE?!?? -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:08:00 - [160] Why Can't Someone Ban Walking Contradiction?! GodDamnit! WHERE'S THE JUSTICE MODS?! WHEREEEE?!?? -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:13:00 - [161] On a scale of 1-10, my hangover today is rated at aboot 8.5, hence i will be somewhat delayed in responding to the various posts in this thread. (The EGCO "going-away" party was awsome) In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:13:00 - [162] On a scale of 1-10, my hangover today is rated at aboot 8.5, hence i will be somewhat delayed in responding to the various posts in this thread. (The EGCO "going-away" party was awsome) In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H.
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:26:00 - [163] they did save your asses duke... but I like foyle too much to give her more things that she has to deal with www.dark-cartel.com
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:26:00 - [164] they did save your asses duke... but I like foyle too much to give her more things that she has to deal with www.dark-cartel.com
Darkrydar	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:39:00 - [165] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. Sorry, not true. First off, EGCO wasnt a founding corporation. They were sponsored into CA by Saladin. Second off, I see your own allies like GLFTourque now saying that they realise EV was to blame with the internal strife. Just felt I had to set the record straight.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:39:00 - [166] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. Sorry, not true. First off, EGCO wasnt a founding corporation. They were sponsored into CA by Saladin. Second off, I see your own allies like GLFTourque now saying that they realise EV was to blame with the internal strife. Just felt I had to set the record straight.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:45:00 - [167] Originally by: DJTheBaron Considering most of the corps in ca until last month did not contribute in any way, that is why the tax has been placed upon them. Post shiva, we'll see how it goes. How did this slip by everyone? I mean, Jesus.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:45:00 - [168] Originally by: DJTheBaron Considering most of the corps in ca until last month did not contribute in any way, that is why the tax has been placed upon them. Post shiva, we'll see how it goes. How did this slip by everyone? I mean, Jesus.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:51:00 - [169] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:16:50 EDIT: Thanks duke for your reply, answers some of my questions without flames or personal insults, nice to read. Duke, shame on you. Your being civil. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:51:00 - [170] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:16:50 EDIT: Thanks duke for your reply, answers some of my questions without flames or personal insults, nice to read. Duke, shame on you. Your being civil. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:52:00 - [171] Originally by: Duke Droklar Actually you're both right from certain perspectives. Stav is correct that allying with weaker corps makes you weaker IF they do not contribute to the alliance. Then they simply mooch and breed animosity. Hmm, where have I seen this parallel? Eh, it'll come to me... Iluyen is correct IF those weaker (or non PvP corps) are team players and do contribute to the alliance in a substantial way. Hence the reason for the CA tax. This way even die hard miners that do so in the CA POS can contribute to the alliance in a substantial way that is more then mere lip service. Although we PvPers pay the same tax when we mine, I have absolutely no problems with miners that are helping the alliance in this manner. Well... As it always is with you duke, if people aren't in your blob in HLW, they aren't contributing to the alliance. - Whatever. I'd like to comment on our contributions though, and those who know me, know i am a very honest businessman. My corportation put over 200m isk worth of minerals into the "CA Tax" in 0-w during the first week of taxation. During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. Those who are still contributing to the tax are aware of this now, and everyone in CA knows i am a man of intergrity and honesty. EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone? Why not xirt or Eternaldark, or any number of people whom we can trust?). Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies. You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us. ALL questions that were put to me in council were answered promptly and honestly yesterday which led to a vote to reinstate us. You could not handle this. Your plan had failed, miserably i might add. It was a shame that you would not let me stay for the vote, i do not think it was too much to ask for every CEO to TELL IT TO MY FACE if they wanted us out. I wish i had been privy to the chaos that ensued after you did not get your way. Clearly daak found it amusing. More late... C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:52:00 - [172] Originally by: Duke Droklar Actually you're both right from certain perspectives. Stav is correct that allying with weaker corps makes you weaker IF they do not contribute to the alliance. Then they simply mooch and breed animosity. Hmm, where have I seen this parallel? Eh, it'll come to me... Iluyen is correct IF those weaker (or non PvP corps) are team players and do contribute to the alliance in a substantial way. Hence the reason for the CA tax. This way even die hard miners that do so in the CA POS can contribute to the alliance in a substantial way that is more then mere lip service. Although we PvPers pay the same tax when we mine, I have absolutely no problems with miners that are helping the alliance in this manner. Well... As it always is with you duke, if people aren't in your blob in HLW, they aren't contributing to the alliance. - Whatever. I'd like to comment on our contributions though, and those who know me, know i am a very honest businessman. My corportation put over 200m isk worth of minerals into the "CA Tax" in 0-w during the first week of taxation. During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. Those who are still contributing to the tax are aware of this now, and everyone in CA knows i am a man of intergrity and honesty. EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone? Why not xirt or Eternaldark, or any number of people whom we can trust?). Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies. You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us. ALL questions that were put to me in council were answered promptly and honestly yesterday which led to a vote to reinstate us. You could not handle this. Your plan had failed, miserably i might add. It was a shame that you would not let me stay for the vote, i do not think it was too much to ask for every CEO to TELL IT TO MY FACE if they wanted us out. I wish i had been privy to the chaos that ensued after you did not get your way. Clearly daak found it amusing. More late... C.H.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:54:00 - [173] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H. So your asking moderators for personal favors to remove some oc posts? Perhaps your hangover is worse than previousily thought. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:54:00 - [174] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H. So your asking moderators for personal favors to remove some oc posts? Perhaps your hangover is worse than previousily thought. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:55:00 - [175] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder On a scale of 1-10, my hangover today is rated at aboot 8.5, hence i will be somewhat delayed in responding to the various posts in this thread. (The EGCO "going-away" party was awsome) In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H. Mods delete this one plz. It's clearly inciting flaming by insuating flaming... ouch i hurt myself thinking that one up Anyways, it's not just OC that kicked you out. It was done by a majority vote simple as that. Blame all you want on OC for having the balls to say what we think. But we fight for the CA every day and will keep doing so. And so will the rest of CA who give a flying **** about the alliance.
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:55:00 - [176] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder On a scale of 1-10, my hangover today is rated at aboot 8.5, hence i will be somewhat delayed in responding to the various posts in this thread. (The EGCO "going-away" party was awsome) In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H. Mods delete this one plz. It's clearly inciting flaming by insuating flaming... ouch i hurt myself thinking that one up Anyways, it's not just OC that kicked you out. It was done by a majority vote simple as that. Blame all you want on OC for having the balls to say what we think. But we fight for the CA every day and will keep doing so. And so will the rest of CA who give a flying **** about the alliance.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:57:00 - [177] Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? I thought CA was a democracy not a dictatorship? Dunno, see this is just more of the same confusing stuff that we hear more and more from curse.. Who knows, nice to see this thread not degenerating into flames though :P Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:57:00 - [178] Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? I thought CA was a democracy not a dictatorship? Dunno, see this is just more of the same confusing stuff that we hear more and more from curse.. Who knows, nice to see this thread not degenerating into flames though :P Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Merykara	Posted - 2004.09.19 18:02:00 - [179] The issue with Ca seems pretty straightforward to me actually. There seem to be two types of corps in there, those who put everything second to pvp and those who don't. Neither is worse then the other imo, and not putting everything second to pvp does not exclude being a valuable alliance asset or a good pvp corp at all either. So what we see happening is that one of these two types gets forced out by the other because it seems that one can;t tolerate the other anymore. Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ******* up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon). Why not cut the crap and come out clean, call a vote in the council to dissolve and then form anew ? No need for scheming, inventing chatlogs and being uber paranoid. Get the trust issue out of the way for good....
Merykara	Posted - 2004.09.19 18:02:00 - [180] The issue with Ca seems pretty straightforward to me actually. There seem to be two types of corps in there, those who put everything second to pvp and those who don't. Neither is worse then the other imo, and not putting everything second to pvp does not exclude being a valuable alliance asset or a good pvp corp at all either. So what we see happening is that one of these two types gets forced out by the other because it seems that one can;t tolerate the other anymore. Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ******* up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon). Why not cut the crap and come out clean, call a vote in the council to dissolve and then form anew ? No need for scheming, inventing chatlogs and being uber paranoid. Get the trust issue out of the way for good....

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