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Svarun
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Posted - 2004.09.19 18:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Stavros
Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out?
No.
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Svarun
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Posted - 2004.09.19 18:13:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Stavros
Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out?
No.
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Borothis Quishir
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:47:00 -
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Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. I can honestly say I never wanted OC to join the CA now that I dont have to worry about reprocussions and if I would have had a say in it I woulda voted no. ALl they ever do is cause trouble, make more enemies and invade other alliance space to so called "protect our assets" and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. And before that GW was left to rot beacause it wasnt deemed worthy enough an area to defend. Well I guess they got thier wish now nobodys thier defending it after the main defenders got kicked out. Oh well youll soon learn the folly of your ways I guess, one can only hope.
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Borothis Quishir
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:47:00 -
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Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. I can honestly say I never wanted OC to join the CA now that I dont have to worry about reprocussions and if I would have had a say in it I woulda voted no. ALl they ever do is cause trouble, make more enemies and invade other alliance space to so called "protect our assets" and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. And before that GW was left to rot beacause it wasnt deemed worthy enough an area to defend. Well I guess they got thier wish now nobodys thier defending it after the main defenders got kicked out. Oh well youll soon learn the folly of your ways I guess, one can only hope.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:57:00 -
[185]
So Capt Hindgrinder, who from you guys was fergal?
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.09.19 19:57:00 -
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So Capt Hindgrinder, who from you guys was fergal?
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Randomina
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:21:00 -
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Hmmmm my sources tell me a few things.
First of all how do you address the issue of EGCO(hindgrinder by name to) being mentioned on a recording of a conversation about breaking off from CA and forming a new allaince without CA council blessing.
Also the issue of Khal Dominicus abuse towards other members in the alliance?
Members of your corp *****ing and whining about the Tax the CA council put in place to prepare for Shiva.
Also the HUGE amount(i was told 150k but maybe thats over the top) of rare ore stored in your corp hangar in 0-w that was only refined after xetic took over the station for a short time unitl EGCO took it back refining and not paying any tax? |
Randomina
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Posted - 2004.09.19 20:21:00 -
[188]
Hmmmm my sources tell me a few things.
First of all how do you address the issue of EGCO(hindgrinder by name to) being mentioned on a recording of a conversation about breaking off from CA and forming a new allaince without CA council blessing.
Also the issue of Khal Dominicus abuse towards other members in the alliance?
Members of your corp *****ing and whining about the Tax the CA council put in place to prepare for Shiva.
Also the HUGE amount(i was told 150k but maybe thats over the top) of rare ore stored in your corp hangar in 0-w that was only refined after xetic took over the station for a short time unitl EGCO took it back refining and not paying any tax? |
Shia Tia
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Posted - 2004.09.19 22:51:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Shia Tia on 19/09/2004 23:07:01
Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder
Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything?
Leave your real world ideas out of Eve. These are very biased opinons, and if necessecary sufficient refuting evidence can be provided.
I respectfully request that any comments concerning the real world be censored. The UN has nothing to do with the world of Eve. These forums as I understand them are not a forums for issuing declarations of political opinion. This is the Eve Alliance and Corporations Forums.
With regards to use of military force, when diplomacy fails, the only remaining recourse is to use military force. If you cannot back up diplomacy with the use of military force then your diplomacy will have no net result. Walk softly, carry a big stick.
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Shia Tia
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Posted - 2004.09.19 22:51:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Shia Tia on 19/09/2004 23:07:01
Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder
Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything?
Leave your real world ideas out of Eve. These are very biased opinons, and if necessecary sufficient refuting evidence can be provided.
I respectfully request that any comments concerning the real world be censored. The UN has nothing to do with the world of Eve. These forums as I understand them are not a forums for issuing declarations of political opinion. This is the Eve Alliance and Corporations Forums.
With regards to use of military force, when diplomacy fails, the only remaining recourse is to use military force. If you cannot back up diplomacy with the use of military force then your diplomacy will have no net result. Walk softly, carry a big stick.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2004.09.19 22:58:00 -
[191]
TOGCO wishes you the best of luck, you have always had atleast my respect.
Good luck!
Our home
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2004.09.19 22:58:00 -
[192]
TOGCO wishes you the best of luck, you have always had atleast my respect.
Good luck!
Our home
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Merykara
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Posted - 2004.09.19 23:19:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Shia Tia
Edited by: Shia Tia on 19/09/2004 23:07:01
Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder
Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything?
Leave your real world ideas out of Eve. These are very biased opinons, and if necessecary sufficient refuting evidence can be provided.
I respectfully request that any comments concerning the real world be censored. The UN has nothing to do with the world of Eve. These forums as I understand them are not a forums for issuing declarations of political opinion. This is the Eve Alliance and Corporations Forums.
With regards to use of military force, when diplomacy fails, the only remaining recourse is to use military force. If you cannot back up diplomacy with the use of military force then your diplomacy will have no net result. Walk softly, carry a big stick.
A well, but your theory includes attempts at diplomacy, CA policy does not.
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Merykara
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Posted - 2004.09.19 23:19:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Shia Tia
Edited by: Shia Tia on 19/09/2004 23:07:01
Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder
Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything?
Leave your real world ideas out of Eve. These are very biased opinons, and if necessecary sufficient refuting evidence can be provided.
I respectfully request that any comments concerning the real world be censored. The UN has nothing to do with the world of Eve. These forums as I understand them are not a forums for issuing declarations of political opinion. This is the Eve Alliance and Corporations Forums.
With regards to use of military force, when diplomacy fails, the only remaining recourse is to use military force. If you cannot back up diplomacy with the use of military force then your diplomacy will have no net result. Walk softly, carry a big stick.
A well, but your theory includes attempts at diplomacy, CA policy does not.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:11:00 -
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I am not sure where you suppose CA use diplomacy when faced with treason? Forceful and decisive treatment of those engaged in activities against the alliance is the only proper course of action.
Leave all that diplomatic mumbo jumbo to cfs and kofi annan... They excel at it, playing into hands of any adversary decisive enough.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:11:00 -
[196]
I am not sure where you suppose CA use diplomacy when faced with treason? Forceful and decisive treatment of those engaged in activities against the alliance is the only proper course of action.
Leave all that diplomatic mumbo jumbo to cfs and kofi annan... They excel at it, playing into hands of any adversary decisive enough.
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loozer
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:16:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Dolemite2K
Originally by: Borothis Quishir
"I was gone a few days and im still fuzzy on the details", but all I know is feel free to kick out the people who supported CA and keep those lovely spies you have throughout your corporations in hlw. Talk about priorities  .
Maybe if your CEO hadent been recorded talking about YOUR priorities...
Wow remember Audio tapes were what sunk a U.S. president too.
Treason is still TREASON.
If you would have been honorable and just switched alliances you guys would have had more respect but noooo you tried to backstab your alliance and got busted and recorded on Audio Tape..talking about treason and betrayal..
No Excuses can get you guys out of that mess..
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loozer
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:16:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Dolemite2K
Originally by: Borothis Quishir
"I was gone a few days and im still fuzzy on the details", but all I know is feel free to kick out the people who supported CA and keep those lovely spies you have throughout your corporations in hlw. Talk about priorities .
Maybe if your CEO hadent been recorded talking about YOUR priorities...
Wow remember Audio tapes were what sunk a U.S. president too.
Treason is still TREASON.
If you would have been honorable and just switched alliances you guys would have had more respect but noooo you tried to backstab your alliance and got busted and recorded on Audio Tape..talking about treason and betrayal..
No Excuses can get you guys out of that mess..
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loozer
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:19:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Stavros
Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out?
I thought CA was a democracy not a dictatorship?
Dunno, see this is just more of the same confusing stuff that we hear more and more from curse..
Who knows, nice to see this thread not degenerating into flames though :P
Stavros
Stavros if someone was caught plotting to stab you in the back and take over your alliance and you were the military commander what would you do in this situation?
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loozer
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:19:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Stavros
Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out?
I thought CA was a democracy not a dictatorship?
Dunno, see this is just more of the same confusing stuff that we hear more and more from curse..
Who knows, nice to see this thread not degenerating into flames though :P
Stavros
Stavros if someone was caught plotting to stab you in the back and take over your alliance and you were the military commander what would you do in this situation?
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TIvian
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 20/09/2004 00:25:33
Edited by: TIvian on 20/09/2004 00:24:46
I would like to rewind the clock a little here to one particular Monday morning. Thor the Great, Nirvy and I, were the only BOS guys logged in. NO CA leadership on. none of us where directors. when all of the sudden unexpected down time.
1 hour later the player owened stations drop. There was no plan, there was no leadership....nada! SO NGRU goes around grabbing up stations to prevent the enemy from getting them. BOS gets 1.
then all hell breaks loose between NGRU and ATUK. And so we all know where that went.
The whole of CA was not prepared for this. People had said lets get a plan but nothing ever came.
CA was an alliance all about helping each other. and having fun. we did everything together...Hunted, NPCed and Minned. we did it all. BUT with the changes in the game and our enemy alliances ranks swelling with more corps and players we needed to grow as well.
Some corps that came JUST MINNED, others JUST PvP'd, Some did both.
Now the fact that CA did nothing to prepare for the future patch's comming down the pipe bit us in the ass. SO now that we needed to prepare(which I am thankful for)where is the isk going to come from.....?
I still say that Omega Corp comming to CA was one of the best things to happen to us. Duke and his boys have taught me alot and the alliance as a whole. Duke has stepped up as a leader and rightfully so! Some of our leadership had RL issues to deal with. And as Xirtam was a target because of his success now so is Duke.
To say that EGCO or NGRU or ALTZ did nothing is completely wrong. Just as to say ATUK or m0o did not contribute either. NGRU fought and did production to the point of being crippled at one point. EGCO Capt. Hindgrinder on many occasions gave me ships either free or at below cost and gave them to other people as well or sold mins to Corps with in the alliance at below market value.
I support Duke 100% I support the Councel 100% Am I happy about Capt Hindgrinder being gone? NO! he is was a friend. BUT it doesn't change the fact that I AM CA. I am still here.
The Councel did vote and it was by leading majority that non of these corps were allowed to remain in CA...why? their actions leading up to the vote made it plain and simple that they had no desire to stay. And we could not afford another ATUK situation.
CA wants to be prepared for Shiva, and with times the way that they are things can't stay the way it used to be. the game doesn't allow for it. there are going to be those who feel betrayed because they had it their way for so long. Now that we are getting our act together to be what we should have been to begin with there are going to be Corps who and players who don't want things to change. SO yes I am sure we will have more unhappy corps being kicked. BUT in the end this is for a good cause.
*NONE of this is ment to in any way say that the corpes talked about didn't agree with this. I can't speak for them.*
This is to show that CA IS changing with the times. DEAL WITH IT
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(> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!! |
TIvian
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:22:00 -
[202]
Edited by: TIvian on 20/09/2004 00:25:33
Edited by: TIvian on 20/09/2004 00:24:46
I would like to rewind the clock a little here to one particular Monday morning. Thor the Great, Nirvy and I, were the only BOS guys logged in. NO CA leadership on. none of us where directors. when all of the sudden unexpected down time.
1 hour later the player owened stations drop. There was no plan, there was no leadership....nada! SO NGRU goes around grabbing up stations to prevent the enemy from getting them. BOS gets 1.
then all hell breaks loose between NGRU and ATUK. And so we all know where that went.
The whole of CA was not prepared for this. People had said lets get a plan but nothing ever came.
CA was an alliance all about helping each other. and having fun. we did everything together...Hunted, NPCed and Minned. we did it all. BUT with the changes in the game and our enemy alliances ranks swelling with more corps and players we needed to grow as well.
Some corps that came JUST MINNED, others JUST PvP'd, Some did both.
Now the fact that CA did nothing to prepare for the future patch's comming down the pipe bit us in the ass. SO now that we needed to prepare(which I am thankful for)where is the isk going to come from.....?
I still say that Omega Corp comming to CA was one of the best things to happen to us. Duke and his boys have taught me alot and the alliance as a whole. Duke has stepped up as a leader and rightfully so! Some of our leadership had RL issues to deal with. And as Xirtam was a target because of his success now so is Duke.
To say that EGCO or NGRU or ALTZ did nothing is completely wrong. Just as to say ATUK or m0o did not contribute either. NGRU fought and did production to the point of being crippled at one point. EGCO Capt. Hindgrinder on many occasions gave me ships either free or at below cost and gave them to other people as well or sold mins to Corps with in the alliance at below market value.
I support Duke 100% I support the Councel 100% Am I happy about Capt Hindgrinder being gone? NO! he is was a friend. BUT it doesn't change the fact that I AM CA. I am still here.
The Councel did vote and it was by leading majority that non of these corps were allowed to remain in CA...why? their actions leading up to the vote made it plain and simple that they had no desire to stay. And we could not afford another ATUK situation.
CA wants to be prepared for Shiva, and with times the way that they are things can't stay the way it used to be. the game doesn't allow for it. there are going to be those who feel betrayed because they had it their way for so long. Now that we are getting our act together to be what we should have been to begin with there are going to be Corps who and players who don't want things to change. SO yes I am sure we will have more unhappy corps being kicked. BUT in the end this is for a good cause.
*NONE of this is ment to in any way say that the corpes talked about didn't agree with this. I can't speak for them.*
This is to show that CA IS changing with the times. DEAL WITH IT
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(O.o)
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HC MasiEEE
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:27:00 -
[203]
Good luck EGCO and Mr Hindgrinder  Seeya all some time 
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HC MasiEEE
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HC MasiEEE
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:27:00 -
[204]
Good luck EGCO and Mr Hindgrinder Seeya all some time
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HC MasiEEE
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:27:00 -
[205]
Please see my rebuttal to the initial Post.
Particularly if you are Stavros, or you like Arabian Progressive Trance Music (doesnt everyone?)
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Lallante
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Posted - 2004.09.20 00:27:00 -
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Please see my rebuttal to the initial Post.
Particularly if you are Stavros, or you like Arabian Progressive Trance Music (doesnt everyone?)
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
ShinRa
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2004.09.20 01:55:00 -
[207]
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During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. -Cpt H
Hmmm, seems that the Council appointed monitors would have picked up on something like that if your claims had an ounce of validity. Remember the Council monitors? They can look into the hangars and see whats there anytime they want.
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EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone?
Since it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers and ANY and all expeditures must be passed by Council vote this is obviously you talking from your nether regions.
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Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies.
Lol, build the CA? How exactly since you mined 99% of your time and never contributed a dime. OC on the other hand fights in defense of CA every single day and only a few members mine in curse occasionally. We get little from CA other then comraderie and working with like minds towards a larger goal.
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You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval
Yes, the CA Holding was authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Oh well, one mistake that was nearly unaniously approved the following meeting. That's all you got... cling to it.
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and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us.
Excuse me but Xirt cannot call a cease fire that was unanymously approved by all the CA War Generals. He can call a cease fire for his own corp but that is it. You scream how "Duke and Foyle run the alliance" yet you support the concept that Xirt can make unilaterall decisions IF they benefit you... what a hypocrit!
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Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ******* up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon).-Merykara
Please list the "scheming" that occured by anyone other then the ones booted from the CA. They can't and won't debate the rebutals to their false claims. All they can say is "duke is a dictator" while I do everything through the democratic process. They can't refute that.
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Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does -[ALTZ]Borothis
Roflmao, so the Council is soooo weak we only have to whine to get our way? ohhhoohhhh, that's good, thanks, i needed a good laugh. 
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or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. -[ALTZ]Borothis
Then you should have brought us up on charges before the Council. Oh wait, you couldn't because you know everything we've done is through the CA rules and you're simply full of fedo poodoo.
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and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. -[ALTZ]Borothis
Hmmm, thought you were the "great defenders of Curse"? Oh wait, that's only when the CA Military is protecting you from real enemy fleets, not the imaginary ones consisting of a few frigs and cruisers you so valiantly protected Curse from.
To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. If you're not happy with CA then change it in council with your voting power. Don't have enough votes? Then sway the other corps in CA Council with logical debate convincing them to vote your way. If you still don't win the vote then maybe, juuuust maybe, you're a minority and thus SHOULD NOT get your way in a democratic process. When you don't get your way in Council, accept it, move on and quit whining about "tyranny" and "the alliance isn't fair". You had just as much chance as anyone to get your ideas poassed through vote.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2004.09.20 01:55:00 -
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During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. -Cpt H
Hmmm, seems that the Council appointed monitors would have picked up on something like that if your claims had an ounce of validity. Remember the Council monitors? They can look into the hangars and see whats there anytime they want.
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EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone?
Since it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers and ANY and all expeditures must be passed by Council vote this is obviously you talking from your nether regions.
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Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies.
Lol, build the CA? How exactly since you mined 99% of your time and never contributed a dime. OC on the other hand fights in defense of CA every single day and only a few members mine in curse occasionally. We get little from CA other then comraderie and working with like minds towards a larger goal.
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You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval
Yes, the CA Holding was authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Oh well, one mistake that was nearly unaniously approved the following meeting. That's all you got... cling to it.
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and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us.
Excuse me but Xirt cannot call a cease fire that was unanymously approved by all the CA War Generals. He can call a cease fire for his own corp but that is it. You scream how "Duke and Foyle run the alliance" yet you support the concept that Xirt can make unilaterall decisions IF they benefit you... what a hypocrit!
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Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ******* up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon).-Merykara
Please list the "scheming" that occured by anyone other then the ones booted from the CA. They can't and won't debate the rebutals to their false claims. All they can say is "duke is a dictator" while I do everything through the democratic process. They can't refute that.
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Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does -[ALTZ]Borothis
Roflmao, so the Council is soooo weak we only have to whine to get our way? ohhhoohhhh, that's good, thanks, i needed a good laugh.
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or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. -[ALTZ]Borothis
Then you should have brought us up on charges before the Council. Oh wait, you couldn't because you know everything we've done is through the CA rules and you're simply full of fedo poodoo.
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and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. -[ALTZ]Borothis
Hmmm, thought you were the "great defenders of Curse"? Oh wait, that's only when the CA Military is protecting you from real enemy fleets, not the imaginary ones consisting of a few frigs and cruisers you so valiantly protected Curse from.
To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. If you're not happy with CA then change it in council with your voting power. Don't have enough votes? Then sway the other corps in CA Council with logical debate convincing them to vote your way. If you still don't win the vote then maybe, juuuust maybe, you're a minority and thus SHOULD NOT get your way in a democratic process. When you don't get your way in Council, accept it, move on and quit whining about "tyranny" and "the alliance isn't fair". You had just as much chance as anyone to get your ideas poassed through vote.
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HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.09.20 02:19:00 -
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You know duke, your just one corp too, but your bashing of EGCO, like they never did anything is pretty annoying.
I don't see how CA can let an outside alliance/corp control what happens with CA.
I noticed all these new corps in CA space when I was there the other day, CA's long standing members are getting over run by these n00bs joining the alliance, an you wonder why some good votes don't vote out correctly.
What's with this war council being a separate entity anyways? People over ruling others now?
Just who is in charge of CA anyways? Because I don't think any of you guys know.
It's amazing how the time changes things like honor, loyalty, trust, respect and leadership.
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.09.20 02:19:00 -
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You know duke, your just one corp too, but your bashing of EGCO, like they never did anything is pretty annoying.
I don't see how CA can let an outside alliance/corp control what happens with CA.
I noticed all these new corps in CA space when I was there the other day, CA's long standing members are getting over run by these n00bs joining the alliance, an you wonder why some good votes don't vote out correctly.
What's with this war council being a separate entity anyways? People over ruling others now?
Just who is in charge of CA anyways? Because I don't think any of you guys know.
It's amazing how the time changes things like honor, loyalty, trust, respect and leadership.
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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