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Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:05:00 - [1] To Whom It May Concern, I am writing this statement to announce EGCOs position in the Curse Alliance and to comment on our removal of status as leaders in the afformentioned grouping of corporations, efective immediately (Sept 18). I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of our loyal service to Xirtam The Dark Lord and our industrial success included a felt obligation to give a great deal to our alliance. Service as a CA CEO was originally a dream job. I was encouraged to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out common goals, politicial solutions, and to persuade them that CA interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in our alliance and its values was the most powerful weapon in our military arsenal. It is inevitable that during our longstanding CA membership that I would become more sophisticated and cynical about the narrow and selfish warmongering motives that sometimes shaped our policies. Human nature is what it is, and I was always rewarded and respected for understanding freedom. Until Duke Droklar and Foyle removed Xirtam from power it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of The Dark Lord I was also upholding the interests of the Curse Alliance as a whole. I believe this no longer. The policies we were recently asked to advance are incompatible not only with EGCO values but also with allied interests. The sacrifice of Universal respect to domestic politics and to unilateral self-interest is nothing new, and it is certainly not a uniquely Curse Alliance problem. Our feverent pursuit of war with the entire server was driving us to squander the Universal legitimacy that has been a potent weapon of both offence and defense since the formation of the Alliance. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the Eve Universe has ever known. CA's current course will bring only instability and distrust, not security and progress. The FA Invasion had potential to leave us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of Empire Economic domination by a singular self-interest group.But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, Duke and Foyle have chosen to make war a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated PA as its only bureaucratic ally. This is evident in that talks of peace with SA were purely on the official Eve forums and not a word mentioned on the Official CA forums, leading us to believe that any offer was purely negotiated by Duke regardless of the opinion of the CA Council. OC spreads disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of FA economic success and CA lack of Shiva preparedness. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking freedom and independant corporate wealth instead to support a "Counterstrike like" military mentality and to weaken the sa***uards that protect CA Corps from the heavy hand of government taxation. We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the Universe that a war with FA was necessary and that CFS should have stood up and rebeled against the taxation imposed upon them, then turn around and unilaterally impose a tax that tripples that which the preceived FA oppressors put upon the CFS for continued regional peace. We have in the past done too much to assert to our Corporate partners that pirate and mercenary CA interests override the cherished values of Allied progress and cooperation for the purpose of growth and success. Even where our aims were not in question, our consistency is at issue. The model of CA Membership is little comfort to potential CFS and Xif allies wondering on what basis they should rebel against their long time friends and associates, and in whose image they can find common ground and future potential. Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything? I can assure everyone that CA current military technology will not prevail in a post-shiva environment and CA is at great risk of walking into Shiva effectively poor and with broken morale. Of further interest to all concerned, EGCO's doors are now OPEN to negotiations from all other alliances and individual corporations. Very Truely, Capt Hindgrinder CEO EGCO Detorid Regional Station Manager
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:05:00 - [2] To Whom It May Concern, I am writing this statement to announce EGCOs position in the Curse Alliance and to comment on our removal of status as leaders in the afformentioned grouping of corporations, efective immediately (Sept 18). I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of our loyal service to Xirtam The Dark Lord and our industrial success included a felt obligation to give a great deal to our alliance. Service as a CA CEO was originally a dream job. I was encouraged to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out common goals, politicial solutions, and to persuade them that CA interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in our alliance and its values was the most powerful weapon in our military arsenal. It is inevitable that during our longstanding CA membership that I would become more sophisticated and cynical about the narrow and selfish warmongering motives that sometimes shaped our policies. Human nature is what it is, and I was always rewarded and respected for understanding freedom. Until Duke Droklar and Foyle removed Xirtam from power it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of The Dark Lord I was also upholding the interests of the Curse Alliance as a whole. I believe this no longer. The policies we were recently asked to advance are incompatible not only with EGCO values but also with allied interests. The sacrifice of Universal respect to domestic politics and to unilateral self-interest is nothing new, and it is certainly not a uniquely Curse Alliance problem. Our feverent pursuit of war with the entire server was driving us to squander the Universal legitimacy that has been a potent weapon of both offence and defense since the formation of the Alliance. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the Eve Universe has ever known. CA's current course will bring only instability and distrust, not security and progress. The FA Invasion had potential to leave us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of Empire Economic domination by a singular self-interest group.But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, Duke and Foyle have chosen to make war a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated PA as its only bureaucratic ally. This is evident in that talks of peace with SA were purely on the official Eve forums and not a word mentioned on the Official CA forums, leading us to believe that any offer was purely negotiated by Duke regardless of the opinion of the CA Council. OC spreads disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of FA economic success and CA lack of Shiva preparedness. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking freedom and independant corporate wealth instead to support a "Counterstrike like" military mentality and to weaken the sa***uards that protect CA Corps from the heavy hand of government taxation. We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the Universe that a war with FA was necessary and that CFS should have stood up and rebeled against the taxation imposed upon them, then turn around and unilaterally impose a tax that tripples that which the preceived FA oppressors put upon the CFS for continued regional peace. We have in the past done too much to assert to our Corporate partners that pirate and mercenary CA interests override the cherished values of Allied progress and cooperation for the purpose of growth and success. Even where our aims were not in question, our consistency is at issue. The model of CA Membership is little comfort to potential CFS and Xif allies wondering on what basis they should rebel against their long time friends and associates, and in whose image they can find common ground and future potential. Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything? I can assure everyone that CA current military technology will not prevail in a post-shiva environment and CA is at great risk of walking into Shiva effectively poor and with broken morale. Of further interest to all concerned, EGCO's doors are now OPEN to negotiations from all other alliances and individual corporations. Very Truely, Capt Hindgrinder CEO EGCO Detorid Regional Station Manager
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:12:00 - [3] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:15:22 Nice post man, without flaming or discussing factual content it was one of the best written posts of its nature i've ever read ^_^ Anyway i'm sure the CA flame squad will be here soon closely followed by the mod squad :P One thing to notice though is that, despite their reasons for leaving (kicked/disbanding/merging etc) there are increasingly less and less of the original CA corps left and more and more of the c4 corps, this will only eventually lead to one thing, something that most of m0o saw coming a long time ago... Although what you say about PA is interesting, especially since there are curently very few of them to be seen in their native habitats, would any CA members (or even the relocated PA members) care to explain the slew of screenshots and chatlogs coming out of Curse controlled space atm that advertise the rather major presence of some of the more errr 'spirited' PA corps? I hear the weather is beautiful this time of year in Curse Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:15:22 Nice post man, without flaming or discussing factual content it was one of the best written posts of its nature i've ever read ^_^ Anyway i'm sure the CA flame squad will be here soon closely followed by the mod squad :P One thing to notice though is that, despite their reasons for leaving (kicked/disbanding/merging etc) there are increasingly less and less of the original CA corps left and more and more of the c4 corps, this will only eventually lead to one thing, something that most of m0o saw coming a long time ago... Although what you say about PA is interesting, especially since there are curently very few of them to be seen in their native habitats, would any CA members (or even the relocated PA members) care to explain the slew of screenshots and chatlogs coming out of Curse controlled space atm that advertise the rather major presence of some of the more errr 'spirited' PA corps? I hear the weather is beautiful this time of year in Curse Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Sinon Saldana	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:13:00 - [5] I hereby support and defend all members of my Corp unresevidly. Capt Hindgrinder has my full support.
Sinon Saldana	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:13:00 - [6] I hereby support and defend all members of my Corp unresevidly. Capt Hindgrinder has my full support.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:20:00 - [7] Good post man. Hope you find a better home for your corp and its members. *Spawn of the Devil*
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:20:00 - [8] Good post man. Hope you find a better home for your corp and its members. *Spawn of the Devil*
Shamad Conde	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:20:00 - [9] I wish well to your corporation.
Shamad Conde	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:20:00 - [10] I wish well to your corporation.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:15:22 Nice post man, without flaming or discussing factual content it was one of the best written posts of its nature i've ever read ^_^ Anyway i'm sure the CA flame squad will be here soon closely followed by the mod squad :P One thing to notice though is that, despite their reasons for leaving (kicked/disbanding/merging etc) there are increasingly less and less of the original CA corps left and more and more of the c4 corps, this will only eventually lead to one thing, something that most of m0o saw coming a long time ago... Although what you say about PA is interesting, especially since there are curently very few of them to be seen in their native habitats, would any CA members (or even the relocated PA members) care to explain the slew of screenshots and chatlogs coming out of Curse controlled space atm that advertise the rather major presence of some of the more errr 'spirited' PA corps? I hear the weather is beautiful this time of year in Curse Stavros Of interest to you Stav, The CA council having questioned me extensively voted to reinstate us in CA. (15-10). Then was extensively threatened by the "War Council" and presented with "evidence" that we were conspiring with m00. (a bogus chat log after the failed vote to kick us) Feel free to shed some light on the conversation we had on our ts server last night. Did i at any time approach your corp for "support"? C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:15:22 Nice post man, without flaming or discussing factual content it was one of the best written posts of its nature i've ever read ^_^ Anyway i'm sure the CA flame squad will be here soon closely followed by the mod squad :P One thing to notice though is that, despite their reasons for leaving (kicked/disbanding/merging etc) there are increasingly less and less of the original CA corps left and more and more of the c4 corps, this will only eventually lead to one thing, something that most of m0o saw coming a long time ago... Although what you say about PA is interesting, especially since there are curently very few of them to be seen in their native habitats, would any CA members (or even the relocated PA members) care to explain the slew of screenshots and chatlogs coming out of Curse controlled space atm that advertise the rather major presence of some of the more errr 'spirited' PA corps? I hear the weather is beautiful this time of year in Curse Stavros Of interest to you Stav, The CA council having questioned me extensively voted to reinstate us in CA. (15-10). Then was extensively threatened by the "War Council" and presented with "evidence" that we were conspiring with m00. (a bogus chat log after the failed vote to kick us) Feel free to shed some light on the conversation we had on our ts server last night. Did i at any time approach your corp for "support"? C.H.
Treptiomedes	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:31:00 - [13] ah..now i know why i read ex-ca member in most of the EGCO bios when i flew through curse today ___________________________________________________________ Free-Space-Ranger Fountain Alliance
Treptiomedes	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:31:00 - [14] ah..now i know why i read ex-ca member in most of the EGCO bios when i flew through curse today ___________________________________________________________ Free-Space-Ranger Fountain Alliance
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:34:00 - [15] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:36:20 They wont believe anyway but for whats its worth I talked to Hindgrinder last night and immdiately got the OH CRAP HES GONNA ASK TO JOIN OUR NON-EXISTANT ALLIANCE FEELING... However all he did was say they were leaving CA (something I had known a few days earlier from my own sources) and that was that really, apart from that it was just banter and the usual. At no time did they ask us for help/alliance or anything and tbh (no offense to egco) why the hell would we conspire with them, they are rich yes, but we are hardly poor ourselves, they aren't exactly the best pvp'ers in the world and its plain for all the world to see that they weren't exactly the most influential corp in curse, so why WOULD we ally with them? Especially at a time when our efforts are focused more squarely on PA? Anyhow nobody is gonna believe me but hey its there for the record ^_^ Interesting what you said about the vote Hindgrinder, I will endeavour to dig up a copy of this 'chat log' as if it exists we will be most interested to learn of its contents :) Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:34:00 - [16] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:36:20 They wont believe anyway but for whats its worth I talked to Hindgrinder last night and immdiately got the OH CRAP HES GONNA ASK TO JOIN OUR NON-EXISTANT ALLIANCE FEELING... However all he did was say they were leaving CA (something I had known a few days earlier from my own sources) and that was that really, apart from that it was just banter and the usual. At no time did they ask us for help/alliance or anything and tbh (no offense to egco) why the hell would we conspire with them, they are rich yes, but we are hardly poor ourselves, they aren't exactly the best pvp'ers in the world and its plain for all the world to see that they weren't exactly the most influential corp in curse, so why WOULD we ally with them? Especially at a time when our efforts are focused more squarely on PA? Anyhow nobody is gonna believe me but hey its there for the record ^_^ Interesting what you said about the vote Hindgrinder, I will endeavour to dig up a copy of this 'chat log' as if it exists we will be most interested to learn of its contents :) Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stinky Pete	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:36:00 - [17] Any corps that are still allied with CA but are based in Great Wildlands region should consider themselves in danger. Not from EGCO but from your very own alliance. Why do you think PA has been allowed (by CA) to move into Great Wildlands region? It is to take care of any of the GW upstart (carebear mining) corps that don't do as they are told. All the CA Great Wildlands based corps are looked upon as the bastard step child of CA by the "elite" of Curse alliance, or should I call it the Foyle/Duke Alliance. Any current CA corps that can see through the lies and fabrications that you have been told should start moving all your corp assets out of "Foyle/Duke" controlled space. EGCO will show no hostility toward any corporation untill we are fired upon.
Stinky Pete	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:36:00 - [18] Any corps that are still allied with CA but are based in Great Wildlands region should consider themselves in danger. Not from EGCO but from your very own alliance. Why do you think PA has been allowed (by CA) to move into Great Wildlands region? It is to take care of any of the GW upstart (carebear mining) corps that don't do as they are told. All the CA Great Wildlands based corps are looked upon as the bastard step child of CA by the "elite" of Curse alliance, or should I call it the Foyle/Duke Alliance. Any current CA corps that can see through the lies and fabrications that you have been told should start moving all your corp assets out of "Foyle/Duke" controlled space. EGCO will show no hostility toward any corporation untill we are fired upon.
Don ZOLA	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:37:00 - [19] best luck to u&ur corp in future m8. There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Don ZOLA	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:37:00 - [20] best luck to u&ur corp in future m8. There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:48:00 - [21] Stav dude... because duke didn't have his way he btched and btched until he got his way thats the way it's always been and always will be someday SoonÖ it's gonna come back and bite him in the a www.dark-cartel.com**
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:48:00 - [22] Stav dude... because duke didn't have his way he btched and btched until he got his way thats the way it's always been and always will be someday SoonÖ it's gonna come back and bite him in the a www.dark-cartel.com**
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:53:45 Dunno Dakkon man, ca internal politics arent really my thang atm ^_^ Just stating the fact that at no time was I aware of any kind of deal on the table with egco and dats bout the long and short of it tbh. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:53:45 Dunno Dakkon man, ca internal politics arent really my thang atm ^_^ Just stating the fact that at no time was I aware of any kind of deal on the table with egco and dats bout the long and short of it tbh. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:52:00 - [25] lol I know man.. but why the fck would m0o "conspire" with egco? haha that made my day thanks hindgrinder www.dark-cartel.com*
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:52:00 - [26] lol I know man.. but why the fck would m0o "conspire" with egco? haha that made my day thanks hindgrinder www.dark-cartel.com*
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:52:00 - [27] Sorry to see you go Cap, I wish you the best luck I can offer. You and your corp have what you wanted now, your freedom. Not sure what VOTF will do next but you will always have my respect. - Eternal Dark -
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:52:00 - [28] Sorry to see you go Cap, I wish you the best luck I can offer. You and your corp have what you wanted now, your freedom. Not sure what VOTF will do next but you will always have my respect. - Eternal Dark -
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:53:00 - [29] Nice post. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:53:00 - [30] Nice post. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.

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