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Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:05:00 - [1] To Whom It May Concern, I am writing this statement to announce EGCOs position in the Curse Alliance and to comment on our removal of status as leaders in the afformentioned grouping of corporations, efective immediately (Sept 18). I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of our loyal service to Xirtam The Dark Lord and our industrial success included a felt obligation to give a great deal to our alliance. Service as a CA CEO was originally a dream job. I was encouraged to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out common goals, politicial solutions, and to persuade them that CA interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in our alliance and its values was the most powerful weapon in our military arsenal. It is inevitable that during our longstanding CA membership that I would become more sophisticated and cynical about the narrow and selfish warmongering motives that sometimes shaped our policies. Human nature is what it is, and I was always rewarded and respected for understanding freedom. Until Duke Droklar and Foyle removed Xirtam from power it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of The Dark Lord I was also upholding the interests of the Curse Alliance as a whole. I believe this no longer. The policies we were recently asked to advance are incompatible not only with EGCO values but also with allied interests. The sacrifice of Universal respect to domestic politics and to unilateral self-interest is nothing new, and it is certainly not a uniquely Curse Alliance problem. Our feverent pursuit of war with the entire server was driving us to squander the Universal legitimacy that has been a potent weapon of both offence and defense since the formation of the Alliance. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the Eve Universe has ever known. CA's current course will bring only instability and distrust, not security and progress. The FA Invasion had potential to leave us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of Empire Economic domination by a singular self-interest group.But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, Duke and Foyle have chosen to make war a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated PA as its only bureaucratic ally. This is evident in that talks of peace with SA were purely on the official Eve forums and not a word mentioned on the Official CA forums, leading us to believe that any offer was purely negotiated by Duke regardless of the opinion of the CA Council. OC spreads disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of FA economic success and CA lack of Shiva preparedness. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking freedom and independant corporate wealth instead to support a "Counterstrike like" military mentality and to weaken the sa***uards that protect CA Corps from the heavy hand of government taxation. We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the Universe that a war with FA was necessary and that CFS should have stood up and rebeled against the taxation imposed upon them, then turn around and unilaterally impose a tax that tripples that which the preceived FA oppressors put upon the CFS for continued regional peace. We have in the past done too much to assert to our Corporate partners that pirate and mercenary CA interests override the cherished values of Allied progress and cooperation for the purpose of growth and success. Even where our aims were not in question, our consistency is at issue. The model of CA Membership is little comfort to potential CFS and Xif allies wondering on what basis they should rebel against their long time friends and associates, and in whose image they can find common ground and future potential. Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything? I can assure everyone that CA current military technology will not prevail in a post-shiva environment and CA is at great risk of walking into Shiva effectively poor and with broken morale. Of further interest to all concerned, EGCO's doors are now OPEN to negotiations from all other alliances and individual corporations. Very Truely, Capt Hindgrinder CEO EGCO Detorid Regional Station Manager
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:05:00 - [2] To Whom It May Concern, I am writing this statement to announce EGCOs position in the Curse Alliance and to comment on our removal of status as leaders in the afformentioned grouping of corporations, efective immediately (Sept 18). I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of our loyal service to Xirtam The Dark Lord and our industrial success included a felt obligation to give a great deal to our alliance. Service as a CA CEO was originally a dream job. I was encouraged to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out common goals, politicial solutions, and to persuade them that CA interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in our alliance and its values was the most powerful weapon in our military arsenal. It is inevitable that during our longstanding CA membership that I would become more sophisticated and cynical about the narrow and selfish warmongering motives that sometimes shaped our policies. Human nature is what it is, and I was always rewarded and respected for understanding freedom. Until Duke Droklar and Foyle removed Xirtam from power it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of The Dark Lord I was also upholding the interests of the Curse Alliance as a whole. I believe this no longer. The policies we were recently asked to advance are incompatible not only with EGCO values but also with allied interests. The sacrifice of Universal respect to domestic politics and to unilateral self-interest is nothing new, and it is certainly not a uniquely Curse Alliance problem. Our feverent pursuit of war with the entire server was driving us to squander the Universal legitimacy that has been a potent weapon of both offence and defense since the formation of the Alliance. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the Eve Universe has ever known. CA's current course will bring only instability and distrust, not security and progress. The FA Invasion had potential to leave us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of Empire Economic domination by a singular self-interest group.But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, Duke and Foyle have chosen to make war a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated PA as its only bureaucratic ally. This is evident in that talks of peace with SA were purely on the official Eve forums and not a word mentioned on the Official CA forums, leading us to believe that any offer was purely negotiated by Duke regardless of the opinion of the CA Council. OC spreads disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of FA economic success and CA lack of Shiva preparedness. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking freedom and independant corporate wealth instead to support a "Counterstrike like" military mentality and to weaken the sa***uards that protect CA Corps from the heavy hand of government taxation. We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the Universe that a war with FA was necessary and that CFS should have stood up and rebeled against the taxation imposed upon them, then turn around and unilaterally impose a tax that tripples that which the preceived FA oppressors put upon the CFS for continued regional peace. We have in the past done too much to assert to our Corporate partners that pirate and mercenary CA interests override the cherished values of Allied progress and cooperation for the purpose of growth and success. Even where our aims were not in question, our consistency is at issue. The model of CA Membership is little comfort to potential CFS and Xif allies wondering on what basis they should rebel against their long time friends and associates, and in whose image they can find common ground and future potential. Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything? I can assure everyone that CA current military technology will not prevail in a post-shiva environment and CA is at great risk of walking into Shiva effectively poor and with broken morale. Of further interest to all concerned, EGCO's doors are now OPEN to negotiations from all other alliances and individual corporations. Very Truely, Capt Hindgrinder CEO EGCO Detorid Regional Station Manager
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:12:00 - [3] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:15:22 Nice post man, without flaming or discussing factual content it was one of the best written posts of its nature i've ever read ^_^ Anyway i'm sure the CA flame squad will be here soon closely followed by the mod squad :P One thing to notice though is that, despite their reasons for leaving (kicked/disbanding/merging etc) there are increasingly less and less of the original CA corps left and more and more of the c4 corps, this will only eventually lead to one thing, something that most of m0o saw coming a long time ago... Although what you say about PA is interesting, especially since there are curently very few of them to be seen in their native habitats, would any CA members (or even the relocated PA members) care to explain the slew of screenshots and chatlogs coming out of Curse controlled space atm that advertise the rather major presence of some of the more errr 'spirited' PA corps? I hear the weather is beautiful this time of year in Curse Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:15:22 Nice post man, without flaming or discussing factual content it was one of the best written posts of its nature i've ever read ^_^ Anyway i'm sure the CA flame squad will be here soon closely followed by the mod squad :P One thing to notice though is that, despite their reasons for leaving (kicked/disbanding/merging etc) there are increasingly less and less of the original CA corps left and more and more of the c4 corps, this will only eventually lead to one thing, something that most of m0o saw coming a long time ago... Although what you say about PA is interesting, especially since there are curently very few of them to be seen in their native habitats, would any CA members (or even the relocated PA members) care to explain the slew of screenshots and chatlogs coming out of Curse controlled space atm that advertise the rather major presence of some of the more errr 'spirited' PA corps? I hear the weather is beautiful this time of year in Curse Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Sinon Saldana	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:13:00 - [5] I hereby support and defend all members of my Corp unresevidly. Capt Hindgrinder has my full support.
Sinon Saldana	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:13:00 - [6] I hereby support and defend all members of my Corp unresevidly. Capt Hindgrinder has my full support.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:20:00 - [7] Good post man. Hope you find a better home for your corp and its members. *Spawn of the Devil*
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:20:00 - [8] Good post man. Hope you find a better home for your corp and its members. *Spawn of the Devil*
Shamad Conde	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:20:00 - [9] I wish well to your corporation.
Shamad Conde	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:20:00 - [10] I wish well to your corporation.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:15:22 Nice post man, without flaming or discussing factual content it was one of the best written posts of its nature i've ever read ^_^ Anyway i'm sure the CA flame squad will be here soon closely followed by the mod squad :P One thing to notice though is that, despite their reasons for leaving (kicked/disbanding/merging etc) there are increasingly less and less of the original CA corps left and more and more of the c4 corps, this will only eventually lead to one thing, something that most of m0o saw coming a long time ago... Although what you say about PA is interesting, especially since there are curently very few of them to be seen in their native habitats, would any CA members (or even the relocated PA members) care to explain the slew of screenshots and chatlogs coming out of Curse controlled space atm that advertise the rather major presence of some of the more errr 'spirited' PA corps? I hear the weather is beautiful this time of year in Curse Stavros Of interest to you Stav, The CA council having questioned me extensively voted to reinstate us in CA. (15-10). Then was extensively threatened by the "War Council" and presented with "evidence" that we were conspiring with m00. (a bogus chat log after the failed vote to kick us) Feel free to shed some light on the conversation we had on our ts server last night. Did i at any time approach your corp for "support"? C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:15:22 Nice post man, without flaming or discussing factual content it was one of the best written posts of its nature i've ever read ^_^ Anyway i'm sure the CA flame squad will be here soon closely followed by the mod squad :P One thing to notice though is that, despite their reasons for leaving (kicked/disbanding/merging etc) there are increasingly less and less of the original CA corps left and more and more of the c4 corps, this will only eventually lead to one thing, something that most of m0o saw coming a long time ago... Although what you say about PA is interesting, especially since there are curently very few of them to be seen in their native habitats, would any CA members (or even the relocated PA members) care to explain the slew of screenshots and chatlogs coming out of Curse controlled space atm that advertise the rather major presence of some of the more errr 'spirited' PA corps? I hear the weather is beautiful this time of year in Curse Stavros Of interest to you Stav, The CA council having questioned me extensively voted to reinstate us in CA. (15-10). Then was extensively threatened by the "War Council" and presented with "evidence" that we were conspiring with m00. (a bogus chat log after the failed vote to kick us) Feel free to shed some light on the conversation we had on our ts server last night. Did i at any time approach your corp for "support"? C.H.
Treptiomedes	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:31:00 - [13] ah..now i know why i read ex-ca member in most of the EGCO bios when i flew through curse today ___________________________________________________________ Free-Space-Ranger Fountain Alliance
Treptiomedes	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:31:00 - [14] ah..now i know why i read ex-ca member in most of the EGCO bios when i flew through curse today ___________________________________________________________ Free-Space-Ranger Fountain Alliance
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:34:00 - [15] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:36:20 They wont believe anyway but for whats its worth I talked to Hindgrinder last night and immdiately got the OH CRAP HES GONNA ASK TO JOIN OUR NON-EXISTANT ALLIANCE FEELING... However all he did was say they were leaving CA (something I had known a few days earlier from my own sources) and that was that really, apart from that it was just banter and the usual. At no time did they ask us for help/alliance or anything and tbh (no offense to egco) why the hell would we conspire with them, they are rich yes, but we are hardly poor ourselves, they aren't exactly the best pvp'ers in the world and its plain for all the world to see that they weren't exactly the most influential corp in curse, so why WOULD we ally with them? Especially at a time when our efforts are focused more squarely on PA? Anyhow nobody is gonna believe me but hey its there for the record ^_^ Interesting what you said about the vote Hindgrinder, I will endeavour to dig up a copy of this 'chat log' as if it exists we will be most interested to learn of its contents :) Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:34:00 - [16] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:36:20 They wont believe anyway but for whats its worth I talked to Hindgrinder last night and immdiately got the OH CRAP HES GONNA ASK TO JOIN OUR NON-EXISTANT ALLIANCE FEELING... However all he did was say they were leaving CA (something I had known a few days earlier from my own sources) and that was that really, apart from that it was just banter and the usual. At no time did they ask us for help/alliance or anything and tbh (no offense to egco) why the hell would we conspire with them, they are rich yes, but we are hardly poor ourselves, they aren't exactly the best pvp'ers in the world and its plain for all the world to see that they weren't exactly the most influential corp in curse, so why WOULD we ally with them? Especially at a time when our efforts are focused more squarely on PA? Anyhow nobody is gonna believe me but hey its there for the record ^_^ Interesting what you said about the vote Hindgrinder, I will endeavour to dig up a copy of this 'chat log' as if it exists we will be most interested to learn of its contents :) Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stinky Pete	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:36:00 - [17] Any corps that are still allied with CA but are based in Great Wildlands region should consider themselves in danger. Not from EGCO but from your very own alliance. Why do you think PA has been allowed (by CA) to move into Great Wildlands region? It is to take care of any of the GW upstart (carebear mining) corps that don't do as they are told. All the CA Great Wildlands based corps are looked upon as the bastard step child of CA by the "elite" of Curse alliance, or should I call it the Foyle/Duke Alliance. Any current CA corps that can see through the lies and fabrications that you have been told should start moving all your corp assets out of "Foyle/Duke" controlled space. EGCO will show no hostility toward any corporation untill we are fired upon.
Stinky Pete	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:36:00 - [18] Any corps that are still allied with CA but are based in Great Wildlands region should consider themselves in danger. Not from EGCO but from your very own alliance. Why do you think PA has been allowed (by CA) to move into Great Wildlands region? It is to take care of any of the GW upstart (carebear mining) corps that don't do as they are told. All the CA Great Wildlands based corps are looked upon as the bastard step child of CA by the "elite" of Curse alliance, or should I call it the Foyle/Duke Alliance. Any current CA corps that can see through the lies and fabrications that you have been told should start moving all your corp assets out of "Foyle/Duke" controlled space. EGCO will show no hostility toward any corporation untill we are fired upon.
Don ZOLA	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:37:00 - [19] best luck to u&ur corp in future m8. There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Don ZOLA	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:37:00 - [20] best luck to u&ur corp in future m8. There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:48:00 - [21] Stav dude... because duke didn't have his way he btched and btched until he got his way thats the way it's always been and always will be someday SoonÖ it's gonna come back and bite him in the a www.dark-cartel.com**
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:48:00 - [22] Stav dude... because duke didn't have his way he btched and btched until he got his way thats the way it's always been and always will be someday SoonÖ it's gonna come back and bite him in the a www.dark-cartel.com**
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:53:45 Dunno Dakkon man, ca internal politics arent really my thang atm ^_^ Just stating the fact that at no time was I aware of any kind of deal on the table with egco and dats bout the long and short of it tbh. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 03:53:45 Dunno Dakkon man, ca internal politics arent really my thang atm ^_^ Just stating the fact that at no time was I aware of any kind of deal on the table with egco and dats bout the long and short of it tbh. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:52:00 - [25] lol I know man.. but why the fck would m0o "conspire" with egco? haha that made my day thanks hindgrinder www.dark-cartel.com*
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:52:00 - [26] lol I know man.. but why the fck would m0o "conspire" with egco? haha that made my day thanks hindgrinder www.dark-cartel.com*
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:52:00 - [27] Sorry to see you go Cap, I wish you the best luck I can offer. You and your corp have what you wanted now, your freedom. Not sure what VOTF will do next but you will always have my respect. - Eternal Dark -
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:52:00 - [28] Sorry to see you go Cap, I wish you the best luck I can offer. You and your corp have what you wanted now, your freedom. Not sure what VOTF will do next but you will always have my respect. - Eternal Dark -
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:53:00 - [29] Nice post. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2004.09.19 03:53:00 - [30] Nice post. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Vegeta	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:33:00 - [31] I think the CA Flame Division Alpha entered this post, didn't understand the 'big words' and decided to stay clear. 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Vegeta	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:33:00 - [32] I think the CA Flame Division Alpha entered this post, didn't understand the 'big words' and decided to stay clear. 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:43:00 - [33] Actually, many of us have many friends in EGCO and our corp, Spectre Knights wishes them the best of luck.
Vince Draken	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:43:00 - [34] Actually, many of us have many friends in EGCO and our corp, Spectre Knights wishes them the best of luck.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:46:00 - [35] Ouch Cap, toobad you're going :( Good luck next man! Oh, and you're always welcome over here in torrinos, where you can get me minerals! -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:46:00 - [36] Ouch Cap, toobad you're going :( Good luck next man! Oh, and you're always welcome over here in torrinos, where you can get me minerals! -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Kyogen Steiner	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:48:00 - [37] Edited by: Kyogen Steiner on 19/09/2004 04:50:03 Originally by: Vince Draken Spectre Knights wishes them the best of luck. So does Infinitus Odium. ------------------------------------------------ We are the bringers of hatred!
Kyogen Steiner	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:48:00 - [38] Edited by: Kyogen Steiner on 19/09/2004 04:50:03 Originally by: Vince Draken Spectre Knights wishes them the best of luck. So does Infinitus Odium. ------------------------------------------------ We are the bringers of hatred!
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Propehcy Ouch Cap, toobad you're going :( Good luck next man! Oh, and you're always welcome over here in torrinos, where you can get me minerals! -Chancellor Prophecy Well... to be honest Proph, we have uh... a sick amount of "rare" mins already in empire at "best buy order" prices. If you want a smoking cheap deal, feel free to come pick up some mega or zyd in Detorid (EGCO Space) at extreme discounts.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 04:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Propehcy Ouch Cap, toobad you're going :( Good luck next man! Oh, and you're always welcome over here in torrinos, where you can get me minerals! -Chancellor Prophecy Well... to be honest Proph, we have uh... a sick amount of "rare" mins already in empire at "best buy order" prices. If you want a smoking cheap deal, feel free to come pick up some mega or zyd in Detorid (EGCO Space) at extreme discounts.
Saladin	Posted - 2004.09.19 05:11:00 - [41] Cap I've known you since the very beginning of EvE. We had some good times in Bosboger (seems like ages ago). I wish you the best of luck with EvE and real life. Take care of yourself mate --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Saladin	Posted - 2004.09.19 05:11:00 - [42] Cap I've known you since the very beginning of EvE. We had some good times in Bosboger (seems like ages ago). I wish you the best of luck with EvE and real life. Take care of yourself mate --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Diabolikul	Posted - 2004.09.19 05:23:00 - [43] Have to say that it is an eloquently written post with good points being made. Class, if you askin this... alt... hehehe
Diabolikul	Posted - 2004.09.19 05:23:00 - [44] Have to say that it is an eloquently written post with good points being made. Class, if you askin this... alt... hehehe
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.09.19 05:53:00 - [45] I don't understand teh duke wanting pa involved. I've fought against EGCO and all of pa... and he's making the wrong choice from a military perspective. Oh well. gl and all that stuff. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.09.19 05:53:00 - [46] I don't understand teh duke wanting pa involved. I've fought against EGCO and all of pa... and he's making the wrong choice from a military perspective. Oh well. gl and all that stuff. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
smurf yew	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:08:00 - [47] well if teh duke was smart he would take on the pa players but not to corps he may feel like the master of politics and it true most of the pa are sheep politicly but not all and thats gonna be an annoying lesson he will learn ca i would of thought would prefer pvpers over minners
smurf yew	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:08:00 - [48] well if teh duke was smart he would take on the pa players but not to corps he may feel like the master of politics and it true most of the pa are sheep politicly but not all and thats gonna be an annoying lesson he will learn ca i would of thought would prefer pvpers over minners
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:14:00 - [49] Good luck, was an interesting post to read. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:14:00 - [50] Good luck, was an interesting post to read. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Xulnaga	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:32:00 - [51] Nice post
Xulnaga	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:32:00 - [52] Nice post
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:33:00 - [53] Isn't detroid in CA space? with only POS's there? I don't recall.. That's not empire is it? All this torrinos malarky has rotted me mind.. -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:33:00 - [54] Isn't detroid in CA space? with only POS's there? I don't recall.. That's not empire is it? All this torrinos malarky has rotted me mind.. -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Kahlee	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:36:00 - [55] Good luck you madmen, wherever you go ---------------------------- Omniwar:You know what people do in online games to other people they cant win? Flame.
Kahlee	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:36:00 - [56] Good luck you madmen, wherever you go ---------------------------- Omniwar:You know what people do in online games to other people they cant win? Flame.
SaorAlba	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:43:00 - [57] Well you could see it coming from miles away. C.A is making some classic mistakes and the only quistion is who's next? Is C.A leadership making room for P.A members? Are they the replacement for the leaving miner backbone? Is P.A driving into C.A 20 % slaving by MOO? They should check E-Bay sometimes for current isk converted to real money prices. Best of luck to you EGCC. Greetz, SaorAlba.
SaorAlba	Posted - 2004.09.19 06:43:00 - [58] Well you could see it coming from miles away. C.A is making some classic mistakes and the only quistion is who's next? Is C.A leadership making room for P.A members? Are they the replacement for the leaving miner backbone? Is P.A driving into C.A 20 % slaving by MOO? They should check E-Bay sometimes for current isk converted to real money prices. Best of luck to you EGCC. Greetz, SaorAlba.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.09.19 07:12:00 - [59] Never knew you really when we were allies, but judging from this post I'd say I wish I had. Quality, man
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.09.19 07:12:00 - [60] Never knew you really when we were allies, but judging from this post I'd say I wish I had. Quality, man
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 07:41:00 - [61] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Never knew you really when we were allies, but judging from this post I'd say I wish I had. Quality, man For what it's worth, i know who you are and your comments are well appreciated. The main reason you haven't seen a TON of CA post is because most are afraid of Duke. There was 1 thing that sticks out in my mind about my convo with the m00 crew the other night..... Stav and Sass both told me: "You'll have alot more FUN on your own." And you know what? We never got ANY support from CA anyway, we stood on our own where we lived - both in e02 and in Detorid. You guys may be the bastiches of 0.0, but i can't deny that you are RIGHT. C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 07:41:00 - [62] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Never knew you really when we were allies, but judging from this post I'd say I wish I had. Quality, man For what it's worth, i know who you are and your comments are well appreciated. The main reason you haven't seen a TON of CA post is because most are afraid of Duke. There was 1 thing that sticks out in my mind about my convo with the m00 crew the other night..... Stav and Sass both told me: "You'll have alot more FUN on your own." And you know what? We never got ANY support from CA anyway, we stood on our own where we lived - both in e02 and in Detorid. You guys may be the bastiches of 0.0, but i can't deny that you are RIGHT. C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 07:42:00 - [63] Originally by: Saladin Cap I've known you since the very beginning of EvE. We had some good times in Bosboger (seems like ages ago). I wish you the best of luck with EvE and real life. Take care of yourself mate sal, you were our sponsor into CA and a major contributor to our success. I will never forget this. C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 07:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Saladin Cap I've known you since the very beginning of EvE. We had some good times in Bosboger (seems like ages ago). I wish you the best of luck with EvE and real life. Take care of yourself mate sal, you were our sponsor into CA and a major contributor to our success. I will never forget this. C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 07:44:00 - [65] To those who are wishing us "luck" - **** off. "Luck has nothing to do with combat." We will NOT bend over to Dork Diddler. C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 07:44:00 - [66] To those who are wishing us "luck" - **** off. "Luck has nothing to do with combat." We will NOT bend over to Dork Diddler. C.H.
Psy Corp	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:20:00 - [67] have fun capt with whatever you will do know I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Psy Corp	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:20:00 - [68] have fun capt with whatever you will do know I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Fist'of God	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:25:00 - [69] Does this mean you'll pvp for once?
Fist'of God	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:25:00 - [70] Does this mean you'll pvp for once?
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:28:00 - [71] So stav, you have the strongest none existant alliance now? You are trying the foot in till it comes out of your ass aren't you?
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:28:00 - [72] So stav, you have the strongest none existant alliance now? You are trying the foot in till it comes out of your ass aren't you?
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:32:00 - [73] Translation of Hingrinders post: Quote: by upholding the policies of The Dark Lord I was also upholding the interests of the Curse Alliance as a whole. I thought if I sucked up to xirt I could eb@y forever without ever having to do anything for the alliance... Quote: Until Duke Droklar and Foyle removed Xirtam from power Duke got political agendas passed through the democratic process that cut into my eb@y... THE MONSTER! Quote: The policies we were recently asked to advance are incompatible not only with EGCO values EGCO should be able eb@y 100% of what we mine and not contribute to the alliance at all. Quote: We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the Eve Universe has ever known. Since i've never been outside an asteroid belt I really had no idea CA NEVER had good relations with most of Eve's political entities.... DOH! Quote: Duke and Foyle have chosen to make war a domestic political tool The Duke being a CA War General actually had the nerve to warn EGCO that if we continued to blatantly break CA law that the CA Military would enforce the law... WTF is the world coming to??? Quote: enlisting PA as its only bureaucratic ally Please disregard the fact that everything i'm whining about was passed into law by democratic vote of the entire CA alliance.... I was out voted... sniff... 15% less eb@y Quote: OC spreads disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of FA economic success and CA lack of Shiva preparedness. The evil that is the Duke actually convinced the majority of CA that it would be wise to prepare for shiva... which means egco would have to contribute FOR ONCE to the CA... oh the humanity... Quote: The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking freedom and independant corporate wealth My RL wallet is affected.. can you guess how? Quote: unilaterally impose a tax that tripples that which the preceived FA oppressors put upon the CFS for continued regional peace. "Unilaterally" as in passed by VAST majority vote. Regardless of that fact... FA is taxing non-members who do not have a vote in how it's spent or benefit from the tax whereas CA members do. I will not tolerate contributing to the alliance that allows me to pay my RL rent... Quote: We have in the past done too much to assert to our Corporate partners that pirate and mercenary CA interests override the cherished values of Allied progress and cooperation for the purpose of growth and success. OMG...OMG... CA is a Military Alliance! The crap you learn when you come out of the belts for a moment is absolutely AMAZING!!! Quote: I can assure everyone that CA current military technology will not prevail in a post-shiva environment and CA is at great risk of walking into Shiva effectively poor and with broken morale. As I know from doctorate in mining, refining and whining. Quote: Of further interest to all concerned, EGCO's doors are now OPEN to negotiations from all other alliances and individual corporations. Yes, you too can have the privilege of having us in your alliance... well at least by name only since you will never see us in combat. We would be glad to help if CCP would allow BS's to mount more than miner 2's. Has anyone suggested this to CCP?
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:32:00 - [74] Translation of Hingrinders post: Quote: by upholding the policies of The Dark Lord I was also upholding the interests of the Curse Alliance as a whole. I thought if I sucked up to xirt I could eb@y forever without ever having to do anything for the alliance... Quote: Until Duke Droklar and Foyle removed Xirtam from power Duke got political agendas passed through the democratic process that cut into my eb@y... THE MONSTER! Quote: The policies we were recently asked to advance are incompatible not only with EGCO values EGCO should be able eb@y 100% of what we mine and not contribute to the alliance at all. Quote: We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the Eve Universe has ever known. Since i've never been outside an asteroid belt I really had no idea CA NEVER had good relations with most of Eve's political entities.... DOH! Quote: Duke and Foyle have chosen to make war a domestic political tool The Duke being a CA War General actually had the nerve to warn EGCO that if we continued to blatantly break CA law that the CA Military would enforce the law... WTF is the world coming to??? Quote: enlisting PA as its only bureaucratic ally Please disregard the fact that everything i'm whining about was passed into law by democratic vote of the entire CA alliance.... I was out voted... sniff... 15% less eb@y Quote: OC spreads disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of FA economic success and CA lack of Shiva preparedness. The evil that is the Duke actually convinced the majority of CA that it would be wise to prepare for shiva... which means egco would have to contribute FOR ONCE to the CA... oh the humanity... Quote: The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking freedom and independant corporate wealth My RL wallet is affected.. can you guess how? Quote: unilaterally impose a tax that tripples that which the preceived FA oppressors put upon the CFS for continued regional peace. "Unilaterally" as in passed by VAST majority vote. Regardless of that fact... FA is taxing non-members who do not have a vote in how it's spent or benefit from the tax whereas CA members do. I will not tolerate contributing to the alliance that allows me to pay my RL rent... Quote: We have in the past done too much to assert to our Corporate partners that pirate and mercenary CA interests override the cherished values of Allied progress and cooperation for the purpose of growth and success. OMG...OMG... CA is a Military Alliance! The crap you learn when you come out of the belts for a moment is absolutely AMAZING!!! Quote: I can assure everyone that CA current military technology will not prevail in a post-shiva environment and CA is at great risk of walking into Shiva effectively poor and with broken morale. As I know from doctorate in mining, refining and whining. Quote: Of further interest to all concerned, EGCO's doors are now OPEN to negotiations from all other alliances and individual corporations. Yes, you too can have the privilege of having us in your alliance... well at least by name only since you will never see us in combat. We would be glad to help if CCP would allow BS's to mount more than miner 2's. Has anyone suggested this to CCP?
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:34:00 - [75] Nice post capt. But I'm not saying anything other then, I've been saying it. I've been quiet though. See ya around man. Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:34:00 - [76] Nice post capt. But I'm not saying anything other then, I've been saying it. I've been quiet though. See ya around man. Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
Svarun	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:43:00 - [77] Good luck to you EGCO. About the rest of the "OMG DUKE IS BULLYING WHOLE CA TO DO HIS BIDDING" crap I can only say you really show you have no idea how council or war council works. Especially you Daakkon, stop the forumwhoring or get at least secondhand information.
Svarun	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:43:00 - [78] Good luck to you EGCO. About the rest of the "OMG DUKE IS BULLYING WHOLE CA TO DO HIS BIDDING" crap I can only say you really show you have no idea how council or war council works. Especially you Daakkon, stop the forumwhoring or get at least secondhand information.
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:51:00 - [79] Quote: Wow, Duke, I guess everybody in your alliance respected EGCO except you. Great way to treat your former friends. I'm now starting to believe they stuff everybody keeps saying about you. -F'nog First, don't bank on it. Second, I never respected them for the reasons I made quite clear in a humorous mannor. Third, Believe what you will. I call'em like I see'em and I don't pull my punches. Some call it blunt, I call it honest.
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:51:00 - [80] Quote: Wow, Duke, I guess everybody in your alliance respected EGCO except you. Great way to treat your former friends. I'm now starting to believe they stuff everybody keeps saying about you. -F'nog First, don't bank on it. Second, I never respected them for the reasons I made quite clear in a humorous mannor. Third, Believe what you will. I call'em like I see'em and I don't pull my punches. Some call it blunt, I call it honest.
Trooper B99	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:51:00 - [81] I'll wish EGCO best of luck outside of Curse space. Inside, well . . . . you'll need more than luck. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Trooper B99	Posted - 2004.09.19 08:51:00 - [82] I'll wish EGCO best of luck outside of Curse space. Inside, well . . . . you'll need more than luck. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Cer'es	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:08:00 - [83] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Never knew you really when we were allies, but judging from this post I'd say I wish I had. Quality, man For what it's worth, i know who you are and your comments are well appreciated. The main reason you haven't seen a TON of CA post is because most are afraid of Duke. There was 1 thing that sticks out in my mind about my convo with the m00 crew the other night..... Stav and Sass both told me: "You'll have alot more FUN on your own." And you know what? We never got ANY support from CA anyway, we stood on our own where we lived - both in e02 and in Detorid. You guys may be the bastiches of 0.0, but i can't deny that you are RIGHT. C.H. indeed you will mate, we recently left our allaince to form this new corp and its been nothing but fun, ofcourse we are mainly flying about fightin, we have lost some ships, but its still great fun fun. Goodluck in the big old universe! ------------------------------ .Flamenco Haggis. Once a pround member of Xanadu Member of Mercury and Solace [MACE] Currently proud member of ATUK Mon then ya bas!!!
Cer'es	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Never knew you really when we were allies, but judging from this post I'd say I wish I had. Quality, man For what it's worth, i know who you are and your comments are well appreciated. The main reason you haven't seen a TON of CA post is because most are afraid of Duke. There was 1 thing that sticks out in my mind about my convo with the m00 crew the other night..... Stav and Sass both told me: "You'll have alot more FUN on your own." And you know what? We never got ANY support from CA anyway, we stood on our own where we lived - both in e02 and in Detorid. You guys may be the bastiches of 0.0, but i can't deny that you are RIGHT. C.H. indeed you will mate, we recently left our allaince to form this new corp and its been nothing but fun, ofcourse we are mainly flying about fightin, we have lost some ships, but its still great fun fun. Goodluck in the big old universe! ------------------------------ .Flamenco Haggis. Once a pround member of Xanadu Member of Mercury and Solace [MACE] Currently proud member of ATUK Mon then ya bas!!!
Darkrydar	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:18:00 - [85] I like some ppl in EGCO, but look forward to podding Khal.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:18:00 - [86] I like some ppl in EGCO, but look forward to podding Khal.
Nathan Voughn	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:21:00 - [87] A very well written post, interesting to read. I hope the CA board troll squad doesnt find this thread, so you can get the respect and clean exit from CA that you deserve. Good luck Hindgrinder to you and your corp.
Nathan Voughn	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:21:00 - [88] A very well written post, interesting to read. I hope the CA board troll squad doesnt find this thread, so you can get the respect and clean exit from CA that you deserve. Good luck Hindgrinder to you and your corp.
darth solo	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:24:00 - [89] EGCO were always active in fighting us in GW... unlike many other CA corps... seems foyle and Xirt need to be ousted, never understood why CA put up with them.
darth solo	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:24:00 - [90] EGCO were always active in fighting us in GW... unlike many other CA corps... seems foyle and Xirt need to be ousted, never understood why CA put up with them.
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:28:00 - [91] Shusssh Darth you have no clue
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:28:00 - [92] Shusssh Darth you have no clue
Darkrydar	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:38:00 - [93] Originally by: Nathan Voughn A very well written post, interesting to read. I hope the CA board troll squad doesnt find this thread, so you can get the respect and clean exit from CA that you deserve. Good luck Hindgrinder to you and your corp. Oh man, thats rich. Xanadu owns the alt-trolling copyright I though?
Darkrydar	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:38:00 - [94] Originally by: Nathan Voughn A very well written post, interesting to read. I hope the CA board troll squad doesnt find this thread, so you can get the respect and clean exit from CA that you deserve. Good luck Hindgrinder to you and your corp. Oh man, thats rich. Xanadu owns the alt-trolling copyright I though?
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:41:00 - [95] So, if this is about e-baying when do the RUS corps get their first warnings from CA General Duke? Oh wait, they're not getting a warning? Double standards me thinks.
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:41:00 - [96] So, if this is about e-baying when do the RUS corps get their first warnings from CA General Duke? Oh wait, they're not getting a warning? Double standards me thinks.
TIvian	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:44:00 - [97] Edited by: TIvian on 19/09/2004 09:50:25 The fact that the Curse Alliance does not have many of its "Origianl" founding Corporations does not mean that we are not one of the best run alliances in the game. Ofcourse change is always going to happen. You of all people know this Stav. m0o has only a handful of its original members but still is effective yes? the same can be said of Evol and SA and PA and FA blah blah blah. Come on people. Nothing ever stays the same people come and go in the game. corps change and the game forces these changes as well. Capt. Hindgrinder GOOD LUCK where ever you go. I wish you well. And as for the rest of you trolls keep throwing out the flame bait. Or better yet clean up your own back yards thanks k bye bye now (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
TIvian	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:44:00 - [98] Edited by: TIvian on 19/09/2004 09:50:25 The fact that the Curse Alliance does not have many of its "Origianl" founding Corporations does not mean that we are not one of the best run alliances in the game. Ofcourse change is always going to happen. You of all people know this Stav. m0o has only a handful of its original members but still is effective yes? the same can be said of Evol and SA and PA and FA blah blah blah. Come on people. Nothing ever stays the same people come and go in the game. corps change and the game forces these changes as well. Capt. Hindgrinder GOOD LUCK where ever you go. I wish you well. And as for the rest of you trolls keep throwing out the flame bait. Or better yet clean up your own back yards thanks k bye bye now (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:57:00 - [99] Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.09.19 09:57:00 - [100] Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Reiisha	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:11:00 - [101] Cap, why not go the bold way and join the CFS? Might give interesting situations Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
Reiisha	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:11:00 - [102] Cap, why not go the bold way and join the CFS? Might give interesting situations Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:12:00 - [103] Well enjoy your new found freedom... Will be interesting to see what corps come and go in the CA over the next few weeks. The rise and fall of the CA empire.. Tal What goes around comes around...
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:12:00 - [104] Well enjoy your new found freedom... Will be interesting to see what corps come and go in the CA over the next few weeks. The rise and fall of the CA empire.. Tal What goes around comes around...
TIvian	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:46:00 - [105] Edited by: TIvian on 19/09/2004 10:53:14 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. Originally by: Talon Silverhawk Well enjoy your new found freedom... Will be interesting to see what corps come and go in the CA over the next few weeks. Here are 2 classic examples of what I was saying before...I rest my case! Josh you need to go back to your safespot and stop talking about things you know nothing about! Talon you mean the CONTINUED rise of the Curse Empire! I do know that at some point in this game I will leave Curse. because I know nothing ever stays the same. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
TIvian	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:46:00 - [106] Edited by: TIvian on 19/09/2004 10:53:14 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. Originally by: Talon Silverhawk Well enjoy your new found freedom... Will be interesting to see what corps come and go in the CA over the next few weeks. Here are 2 classic examples of what I was saying before...I rest my case! Josh you need to go back to your safespot and stop talking about things you know nothing about! Talon you mean the CONTINUED rise of the Curse Empire! I do know that at some point in this game I will leave Curse. because I know nothing ever stays the same. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
darth solo	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:47:00 - [107] Originally by: XirtamVotf Shusssh Darth you have no clue shushh yerself.. i know EVERYTHING... .. now get of ma forums.. d solo
darth solo	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:47:00 - [108] Originally by: XirtamVotf Shusssh Darth you have no clue shushh yerself.. i know EVERYTHING... .. now get of ma forums.. d solo
Jovian Strain	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:53:00 - [109] All the best...we be neutral soon I hope XETIC carebear
Jovian Strain	Posted - 2004.09.19 10:53:00 - [110] All the best...we be neutral soon I hope XETIC carebear
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.09.19 11:09:00 - [111] Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 19/09/2004 11:10:56 Originally by: TIvian Edited by: TIvian on 19/09/2004 10:53:14 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. Originally by: Talon Silverhawk Well enjoy your new found freedom... Will be interesting to see what corps come and go in the CA over the next few weeks. Here are 2 classic examples of what I was saying before...I rest my case! Josh you need to go back to your safespot and stop talking about things you know nothing about! Talon you mean the CONTINUED rise of the Curse Empire! I do know that at some point in this game I will leave Curse. because I know nothing ever stays the same. No I meant what I said. While I'm in no way saying CA are dead, I am saying they are not what they once were, CA don't have the same sense of unity they once had. Tal What goes around comes around...
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.09.19 11:09:00 - [112] Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 19/09/2004 11:10:56 Originally by: TIvian Edited by: TIvian on 19/09/2004 10:53:14 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. Originally by: Talon Silverhawk Well enjoy your new found freedom... Will be interesting to see what corps come and go in the CA over the next few weeks. Here are 2 classic examples of what I was saying before...I rest my case! Josh you need to go back to your safespot and stop talking about things you know nothing about! Talon you mean the CONTINUED rise of the Curse Empire! I do know that at some point in this game I will leave Curse. because I know nothing ever stays the same. No I meant what I said. While I'm in no way saying CA are dead, I am saying they are not what they once were, CA don't have the same sense of unity they once had. Tal What goes around comes around...
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 11:19:00 - [113] Edited by: Duke Droklar on 19/09/2004 11:21:36 Quote: No I meant what I said. While I'm in no way saying CA are dead, I am saying they are not what they once were, CA don't have the same sense of unity they once had. -Tal Hmm, seems strange since not more then a couple weeks ago while we were on the FA campaign, 200 enemy pilots began roaming in and around CA space claiming "Catch is now closed" and "we claim CA space". Within 3 days of the CA campaigning corps return we completed trashed the enemy fleets and have been dominating them every day since. Not bad for a declining empire
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 11:19:00 - [114] Edited by: Duke Droklar on 19/09/2004 11:21:36 Quote: No I meant what I said. While I'm in no way saying CA are dead, I am saying they are not what they once were, CA don't have the same sense of unity they once had. -Tal Hmm, seems strange since not more then a couple weeks ago while we were on the FA campaign, 200 enemy pilots began roaming in and around CA space claiming "Catch is now closed" and "we claim CA space". Within 3 days of the CA campaigning corps return we completed trashed the enemy fleets and have been dominating them every day since. Not bad for a declining empire
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.09.19 11:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Duke Droklar Edited by: Duke Droklar on 19/09/2004 11:21:36 Quote: No I meant what I said. While I'm in no way saying CA are dead, I am saying they are not what they once were, CA don't have the same sense of unity they once had. -Tal Hmm, seems strange since not more then a couple weeks ago while we were on the FA campaign, 200 enemy pilots began roaming in and around CA space claiming "Catch is now closed" and "we claim CA space". Within 3 days of the CA campaigning corps return we completed trashed the enemy fleets and have been dominating them every day since. Not bad for a declining empire I have noticed more discontented voices from within the CA recently than ever before. This never used to happen (publicly). Anyway we'll see. Tal What goes around comes around...
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.09.19 11:33:00 - [116] Originally by: Duke Droklar Edited by: Duke Droklar on 19/09/2004 11:21:36 Quote: No I meant what I said. While I'm in no way saying CA are dead, I am saying they are not what they once were, CA don't have the same sense of unity they once had. -Tal Hmm, seems strange since not more then a couple weeks ago while we were on the FA campaign, 200 enemy pilots began roaming in and around CA space claiming "Catch is now closed" and "we claim CA space". Within 3 days of the CA campaigning corps return we completed trashed the enemy fleets and have been dominating them every day since. Not bad for a declining empire I have noticed more discontented voices from within the CA recently than ever before. This never used to happen (publicly). Anyway we'll see. Tal What goes around comes around...
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 12:01:00 - [117] Surley you cant remove one eb@y *** and not remove the others? Considering most of the corps in ca until last month did not contribute in any way, that is why the tax has been placed upon them. Post shiva, we'll see how it goes. But the 100% active contributing pvp corps are taxed just as much. Hindgrinder did me a big favor one time, and hasnt wronged me in any way so i got nothing against the guy, but i'll still shoot him if he glows yellow ;-) CFS tax was cfs fighting for those stations, onwing that space, and paying their tax to an outside entity, that didnt protect them. Imagine if cfs had that 5% tax internally, given that the majority mine, they would rivial fountian. Dukes an ***, but he does a good job, he finds me people to shoot and provides free ships so i dont need to mine, ever. RAWR for PVP CK smells, and enslaver is a * Oh and as for all this ca unrest peolpe speak of, dead weight will be removed, more room for those who contribute. Did i mention dukes a real *****? __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 12:01:00 - [118] Surley you cant remove one eb@y *** and not remove the others? Considering most of the corps in ca until last month did not contribute in any way, that is why the tax has been placed upon them. Post shiva, we'll see how it goes. But the 100% active contributing pvp corps are taxed just as much. Hindgrinder did me a big favor one time, and hasnt wronged me in any way so i got nothing against the guy, but i'll still shoot him if he glows yellow ;-) CFS tax was cfs fighting for those stations, onwing that space, and paying their tax to an outside entity, that didnt protect them. Imagine if cfs had that 5% tax internally, given that the majority mine, they would rivial fountian. Dukes an ***, but he does a good job, he finds me people to shoot and provides free ships so i dont need to mine, ever. RAWR for PVP CK smells, and enslaver is a * Oh and as for all this ca unrest peolpe speak of, dead weight will be removed, more room for those who contribute. Did i mention dukes a real *****? __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.09.19 12:11:00 - [119] Originally by: DJTheBaron CK smells, and enslaver is a ***** Hey dude I got some new deodrant from aldi yesterday makes my cardboard box smell good you should come round and stay the night. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.09.19 12:11:00 - [120] Originally by: DJTheBaron CK smells, and enslaver is a ***** Hey dude I got some new deodrant from aldi yesterday makes my cardboard box smell good you should come round and stay the night. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
Jaisan	Posted - 2004.09.19 12:33:00 - [121] Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:53:15 Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:38:19 Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:37:42 Originally by: DJTheBaron Oh and as for all this ca unrest peolpe speak of, dead weight will be removed, more room for those who contribute. Did i mention dukes a real ******? Dead weight ? , Shows how little you know outside of your small world. Our PVP history in the GW has been longer than you were in nappies. Check your beloved CMS , and if the Stalinist's have not removed our recent history you will see what the 'Dead Weight' have been doing, oh and the odd bit of saving your asses down in HLW too. Believe the BS that some people will throw at us if you like, but those who know us and have actually fought with or against us know otherwise. I dont want to bring internal CA politics to the Official forums but dont provoke us into doing so. Good luck to all our CA friends, you may need it btw , great post Captain Hindgrinder Just too orangey for crows.*
Jaisan	Posted - 2004.09.19 12:33:00 - [122] Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:53:15 Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:38:19 Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:37:42 Originally by: DJTheBaron Oh and as for all this ca unrest peolpe speak of, dead weight will be removed, more room for those who contribute. Did i mention dukes a real ******? Dead weight ? , Shows how little you know outside of your small world. Our PVP history in the GW has been longer than you were in nappies. Check your beloved CMS , and if the Stalinist's have not removed our recent history you will see what the 'Dead Weight' have been doing, oh and the odd bit of saving your asses down in HLW too. Believe the BS that some people will throw at us if you like, but those who know us and have actually fought with or against us know otherwise. I dont want to bring internal CA politics to the Official forums but dont provoke us into doing so. Good luck to all our CA friends, you may need it btw , great post Captain Hindgrinder Just too orangey for crows.*
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:15:00 - [123] Edited by: Tholarim on 19/09/2004 13:20:40 Edited by: Tholarim on 19/09/2004 13:19:56 I personally haven't seen egco leave their mining system in detorid for months. Let alone help out when there were hostiles all over curse. And you should have heard em whine when we introduced the tax funds for shiva, hilarious. Take a good look at your contribution to the alliance hind, and then start talking about other ppl wanting to end the CA. And hindgrinder, you want me to start about some chatlogs of you treathening several CA members over msn with things i wouldn't even dare say to my worst enemy?? Which happend about a month ago.Big man you are... And jaisan, you know as well as i do that ALTZ wasn't kicked for not participating, but because of a little talk we intercepted from your CEO.
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:15:00 - [124] Edited by: Tholarim on 19/09/2004 13:20:40 Edited by: Tholarim on 19/09/2004 13:19:56 I personally haven't seen egco leave their mining system in detorid for months. Let alone help out when there were hostiles all over curse. And you should have heard em whine when we introduced the tax funds for shiva, hilarious. Take a good look at your contribution to the alliance hind, and then start talking about other ppl wanting to end the CA. And hindgrinder, you want me to start about some chatlogs of you treathening several CA members over msn with things i wouldn't even dare say to my worst enemy?? Which happend about a month ago.Big man you are... And jaisan, you know as well as i do that ALTZ wasn't kicked for not participating, but because of a little talk we intercepted from your CEO.
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:23:00 - [125] Quote: Our PVP history in the GW has been longer than you were in nappies. Check your beloved CMS OC has been a dominant PvP corp since early beta so think again. While I agree ALTZ helped in the defense of northern CA, you're not even in the top 10 because there's no comparison in the threat levels. Quote: oh and the odd bit of saving your asses down in HLW too. Saving our asses? Spare me. A few of your pilots (who I salute) came to some of the battles. Not exactly a massive corp showing though now was it? How many did you have in our 100 fleet when we were facing 200 enemies?
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:23:00 - [126] Quote: Our PVP history in the GW has been longer than you were in nappies. Check your beloved CMS OC has been a dominant PvP corp since early beta so think again. While I agree ALTZ helped in the defense of northern CA, you're not even in the top 10 because there's no comparison in the threat levels. Quote: oh and the odd bit of saving your asses down in HLW too. Saving our asses? Spare me. A few of your pilots (who I salute) came to some of the battles. Not exactly a massive corp showing though now was it? How many did you have in our 100 fleet when we were facing 200 enemies?
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:25:00 - [127] Look at the OC forum legion defending the great Duke.
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:25:00 - [128] Look at the OC forum legion defending the great Duke.
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:33:00 - [129] Originally by: Walking Contradiction Look at the OC forum legion defending the great Duke. OMG a Corp actually standing up for their own!!!! That's truly lame!!
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:33:00 - [130] Originally by: Walking Contradiction Look at the OC forum legion defending the great Duke. OMG a Corp actually standing up for their own!!!! That's truly lame!!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:39:00 - [131] I've personally seen EGCO fight in my CA time, altho I can't judge the consistency of their pvp contributions. I can say however that there still are corporations there that contribute(d) less then they did afaik. CA has been fighting internal passiveness for a long time already, but doesn't seem to be finished yet by a long shot. And bringing in PA corps wont be helping much either. They could maybe be usefull in the XIF theatre, but sending them against SA will result in defeat or shame only. SA is not FU or COD. What I currently see is that there seems to be alot more unrest within CA then there ever was before. I don't dislike the Curse Alliance and am still proud to have been in it alongside alot of good people, some of which were/are EGCO and NGRU. But I can't say I regret deciding not to join another CA corp two months ago. The internal situation doesn't come across as fun atm. I'm eager to learn where it all leads. As to the Duke and Foyle, no comment on them since i know neither well enough to judge them here. Good luck to EGCO, your previous posts as well as this one I have enjoyed. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.09.19 13:39:00 - [132] I've personally seen EGCO fight in my CA time, altho I can't judge the consistency of their pvp contributions. I can say however that there still are corporations there that contribute(d) less then they did afaik. CA has been fighting internal passiveness for a long time already, but doesn't seem to be finished yet by a long shot. And bringing in PA corps wont be helping much either. They could maybe be usefull in the XIF theatre, but sending them against SA will result in defeat or shame only. SA is not FU or COD. What I currently see is that there seems to be alot more unrest within CA then there ever was before. I don't dislike the Curse Alliance and am still proud to have been in it alongside alot of good people, some of which were/are EGCO and NGRU. But I can't say I regret deciding not to join another CA corp two months ago. The internal situation doesn't come across as fun atm. I'm eager to learn where it all leads. As to the Duke and Foyle, no comment on them since i know neither well enough to judge them here. Good luck to EGCO, your previous posts as well as this one I have enjoyed. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Diagoro	Posted - 2004.09.19 14:46:00 - [133] Just a friendly reminder from your neighbourhood moderator to keep the flames down please :) EVE Forum Rules - Contact the Moderator Team
Diagoro	Posted - 2004.09.19 14:46:00 - [134] Just a friendly reminder from your neighbourhood moderator to keep the flames down please :) EVE Forum Rules - Contact the Moderator Team
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 14:56:00 - [135] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 15:02:29 What you CA guys have to understand is most of the people on this thread are not saying OMG OMG CA DEAD AHAHA KTHXBYE, we are just wondering why we here more and more interesting things from our sources and why on a public front your top members seem unable to disagree on anything. For example: Originally by: THOLARIM And jaisan, you know as well as i do that ALTZ wasn't kicked for not participating, but because of a little talk we intercepted from your CEO. Originally by: LALLANTE ALTZ have left on GOOD TERMS, they are not KOS to us. So which is it? They were kicked or they left? Judging from the difference in posting style in this thread between C4 members and OC members in particular (EGCO SUCKED EBAYERS DIE PLS HAHAHAHAH K) and the rest of CA (you had to go but we respect you see you around EGCO) some people are not running along the same train of thought as others... Or maybe its just us all imagining it? Stavros PS: Iluyen my dear, m0o is always concerned primarily with being the strongest corp in the game, being in the strongest alliance comes second. There isn't a corp in CA that could stand up to us if it wasn't for all your allies to back you up, if you think I'm wrong your welcome to leave your alliance and try us although considering your not a C4 corp it may only be a matter of time before your pushed out anyway -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 14:56:00 - [136] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 15:02:29 What you CA guys have to understand is most of the people on this thread are not saying OMG OMG CA DEAD AHAHA KTHXBYE, we are just wondering why we here more and more interesting things from our sources and why on a public front your top members seem unable to disagree on anything. For example: Originally by: THOLARIM And jaisan, you know as well as i do that ALTZ wasn't kicked for not participating, but because of a little talk we intercepted from your CEO. Originally by: LALLANTE ALTZ have left on GOOD TERMS, they are not KOS to us. So which is it? They were kicked or they left? Judging from the difference in posting style in this thread between C4 members and OC members in particular (EGCO SUCKED EBAYERS DIE PLS HAHAHAHAH K) and the rest of CA (you had to go but we respect you see you around EGCO) some people are not running along the same train of thought as others... Or maybe its just us all imagining it? Stavros PS: Iluyen my dear, m0o is always concerned primarily with being the strongest corp in the game, being in the strongest alliance comes second. There isn't a corp in CA that could stand up to us if it wasn't for all your allies to back you up, if you think I'm wrong your welcome to leave your alliance and try us although considering your not a C4 corp it may only be a matter of time before your pushed out anyway -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 15:55:00 - [137] Stavros, You can't even make up your mind wether your in an alliance or not, it changes almost every other post. Btw, any of the big pvp corps in CA (Shinra, RUS, VOTF, OC) would own mOo hands down, and by your own reconing you have become weak and soft as well as you haven't done anything without holding hands with your allies since castor. The fact that you like to pretend to yourself that you don't follow any rules and do what you want doesn't change that fact dear. Maybe you should try to grow up, I'm getting kinda tired of your teenage angst.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 15:55:00 - [138] Stavros, You can't even make up your mind wether your in an alliance or not, it changes almost every other post. Btw, any of the big pvp corps in CA (Shinra, RUS, VOTF, OC) would own mOo hands down, and by your own reconing you have become weak and soft as well as you haven't done anything without holding hands with your allies since castor. The fact that you like to pretend to yourself that you don't follow any rules and do what you want doesn't change that fact dear. Maybe you should try to grow up, I'm getting kinda tired of your teenage angst.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 15:56:00 - [139] Originally by: Jaisan Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:53:15 Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:38:19 Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:37:42 Originally by: DJTheBaron Oh and as for all this ca unrest peolpe speak of, dead weight will be removed, more room for those who contribute. Did i mention dukes a real *******? Dead weight ? , Shows how little you know outside of your small world. Our PVP history in the GW has been longer than you were in nappies. Check your beloved CMS , and if the Stalinist's have not removed our recent history you will see what the 'Dead Weight' have been doing, oh and the odd bit of saving your asses down in HLW too. Believe the BS that some people will throw at us if you like, but those who know us and have actually fought with or against us know otherwise. I dont want to bring internal CA politics to the Official forums but dont provoke us into doing so. Good luck to all our CA friends, you may need it btw , great post Captain Hindgrinder was i talking about you? I said will be, thats not past tense now is it. People who arent going to pay a contribution to the alliance in tax, who dont alreayd con tribute, will be removed, even if they do contribute, tax stands, al of my eve time is spent in pvp for the alliance, if i have to pay the tax, so does everyone else. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 15:56:00 - [140] Originally by: Jaisan Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:53:15 Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:38:19 Edited by: Jaisan on 19/09/2004 12:37:42 Originally by: DJTheBaron Oh and as for all this ca unrest peolpe speak of, dead weight will be removed, more room for those who contribute. Did i mention dukes a real *******? Dead weight ? , Shows how little you know outside of your small world. Our PVP history in the GW has been longer than you were in nappies. Check your beloved CMS , and if the Stalinist's have not removed our recent history you will see what the 'Dead Weight' have been doing, oh and the odd bit of saving your asses down in HLW too. Believe the BS that some people will throw at us if you like, but those who know us and have actually fought with or against us know otherwise. I dont want to bring internal CA politics to the Official forums but dont provoke us into doing so. Good luck to all our CA friends, you may need it btw , great post Captain Hindgrinder was i talking about you? I said will be, thats not past tense now is it. People who arent going to pay a contribution to the alliance in tax, who dont alreayd con tribute, will be removed, even if they do contribute, tax stands, al of my eve time is spent in pvp for the alliance, if i have to pay the tax, so does everyone else. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:03:00 - [141] Stavros: Reasonable questions deserve reasonable answers. What you're seeing is a mix of answers to EGCO and ALTZ. You're also seeing a mix of feelings directed at some of the members which were fine members of the alliance and some of whom were not. ALTZ is leaving on good terms atm while EGCO is not. All I will say at this time about the ALTZ situation is that it is dificult to seperate honorable members of a corp from... others. That's an internal matter for their corp.
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:03:00 - [142] Stavros: Reasonable questions deserve reasonable answers. What you're seeing is a mix of answers to EGCO and ALTZ. You're also seeing a mix of feelings directed at some of the members which were fine members of the alliance and some of whom were not. ALTZ is leaving on good terms atm while EGCO is not. All I will say at this time about the ALTZ situation is that it is dificult to seperate honorable members of a corp from... others. That's an internal matter for their corp.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:05:00 - [143] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:16:50 The only thing that weakens a strong corp is allying itself with weak corps and none of our allies are weak. We fought Shinra in querious, and booty slapped them, there is NO chance OC would ever fight without the rest of C4, I mean they drag them around behind them whereever they go like the meatshields they are.The other two corps are interesting VOTF is probably my favourite CA corp just cos most of the people I still like and no are in there so I ain't saying anything about them. Lets talk about RUS, which SPECIFIC corp from rus are you talking about here? I mean there are lots of them arent there? (Someday your gonna have to learn the difference between a group of corps and a corp singular), yeah well whichever one your talking about we fought with them as allies in querious against CFS and the other inhabitants of that region, shocking? Hardly as they aren't the usual CA herd animals that we are all used to by now. I notice you don't even include your own corp in the list, even in your usual spats of deluded self belief you don't even think your own 'corp' would stand a chance against us. Finally you accept at least a small part of the truth, nice to see that... And nice personal insult there btw, nice to see how you like to match my arguements with nice logical counter arguements instead of just ducking for cover and throwing aroudn personal attacks in an attempt to hide the facts, oh wait you can't :( I win Stavros EDIT: Thanks duke for your reply, answers some of my questions without flames or personal insults, nice to read. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:05:00 - [144] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:16:50 The only thing that weakens a strong corp is allying itself with weak corps and none of our allies are weak. We fought Shinra in querious, and booty slapped them, there is NO chance OC would ever fight without the rest of C4, I mean they drag them around behind them whereever they go like the meatshields they are.The other two corps are interesting VOTF is probably my favourite CA corp just cos most of the people I still like and no are in there so I ain't saying anything about them. Lets talk about RUS, which SPECIFIC corp from rus are you talking about here? I mean there are lots of them arent there? (Someday your gonna have to learn the difference between a group of corps and a corp singular), yeah well whichever one your talking about we fought with them as allies in querious against CFS and the other inhabitants of that region, shocking? Hardly as they aren't the usual CA herd animals that we are all used to by now. I notice you don't even include your own corp in the list, even in your usual spats of deluded self belief you don't even think your own 'corp' would stand a chance against us. Finally you accept at least a small part of the truth, nice to see that... And nice personal insult there btw, nice to see how you like to match my arguements with nice logical counter arguements instead of just ducking for cover and throwing aroudn personal attacks in an attempt to hide the facts, oh wait you can't :( I win Stavros EDIT: Thanks duke for your reply, answers some of my questions without flames or personal insults, nice to read. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Borothis Quishir	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:07:00 - [145] I was gone a few days and im still fuzzy on the details, but all I know is feel free to kick out the people who supported CA and keep those lovely spies you have throughout your corporations in hlw. Talk about priorities .
Borothis Quishir	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:07:00 - [146] I was gone a few days and im still fuzzy on the details, but all I know is feel free to kick out the people who supported CA and keep those lovely spies you have throughout your corporations in hlw. Talk about priorities .
Dolemite2K	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:20:00 - [147] Originally by: Borothis Quishir "I was gone a few days and im still fuzzy on the details", but all I know is feel free to kick out the people who supported CA and keep those lovely spies you have throughout your corporations in hlw. Talk about priorities . Maybe if your CEO hadent been recorded talking about YOUR prioreties... ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day
Dolemite2K	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:20:00 - [148] Originally by: Borothis Quishir "I was gone a few days and im still fuzzy on the details", but all I know is feel free to kick out the people who supported CA and keep those lovely spies you have throughout your corporations in hlw. Talk about priorities . Maybe if your CEO hadent been recorded talking about YOUR prioreties... ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:22:00 - [149] Did you own shinra like you guys owned CA before leaving out of boredom?, RUS is RUS, you're the one that seems to be having a problem distinguishing between rus and the russian team. Nice excuse about OC but it still doesn't change the fact that they would kick your ass. As for Black Reign, we are a small corps and are selective about recruiting. Maybe I should say you are weak because you are in a big corp, real strong pvpers only join very small corps. If they join bigger corps that is because they can't pvp on their own. Sound stupid enough? Because that is the **** you have been shoveling recently.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:22:00 - [150] Did you own shinra like you guys owned CA before leaving out of boredom?, RUS is RUS, you're the one that seems to be having a problem distinguishing between rus and the russian team. Nice excuse about OC but it still doesn't change the fact that they would kick your ass. As for Black Reign, we are a small corps and are selective about recruiting. Maybe I should say you are weak because you are in a big corp, real strong pvpers only join very small corps. If they join bigger corps that is because they can't pvp on their own. Sound stupid enough? Because that is the **** you have been shoveling recently.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:30:00 - [151] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:33:35 You sound quite angry Iluyen my friend maybe you should calm down a bit there before you start shooting out personal insults again. Any entity, be it a corp or an individual player is weakened if they associate with weaker entities. If you have a small corp full of good players thats very nice, similarly if you have a large corp full of good players like m0o then thats alright as well. Surely you agree that allying with weaker corps, even none pvp corps, does nothing but weaken your own corp? I mean surely you can see the base logic in this assupmtion? I really don't see your arguement tbh besides STAVROS IS WRONG (INSERT PERSONAL INSULT) STAVROS IS WRONG, M0o NEVER KILLED ANY CA EVER.... I'm not even going to bring up any past events because they really don't matter in this arguement and I really don't see why you brought them up, I mean I could bring up the fact you used to claim Evolution hacked your computer, turned off your modules and had the GM powers of the gods, but it doesn't have any bearing on this arguement so I won't bring it up. The fact is if YOU as a strong corp ALLY yourselves with weaker corps, YOU become weaker. If you have a problem with this assumption feel free to carry on posting, otherwise please let this thread go back on topic. Ciao! Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:30:00 - [152] Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:33:35 You sound quite angry Iluyen my friend maybe you should calm down a bit there before you start shooting out personal insults again. Any entity, be it a corp or an individual player is weakened if they associate with weaker entities. If you have a small corp full of good players thats very nice, similarly if you have a large corp full of good players like m0o then thats alright as well. Surely you agree that allying with weaker corps, even none pvp corps, does nothing but weaken your own corp? I mean surely you can see the base logic in this assupmtion? I really don't see your arguement tbh besides STAVROS IS WRONG (INSERT PERSONAL INSULT) STAVROS IS WRONG, M0o NEVER KILLED ANY CA EVER.... I'm not even going to bring up any past events because they really don't matter in this arguement and I really don't see why you brought them up, I mean I could bring up the fact you used to claim Evolution hacked your computer, turned off your modules and had the GM powers of the gods, but it doesn't have any bearing on this arguement so I won't bring it up. The fact is if YOU as a strong corp ALLY yourselves with weaker corps, YOU become weaker. If you have a problem with this assumption feel free to carry on posting, otherwise please let this thread go back on topic. Ciao! Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:42:00 - [153] I'm sorry I wasn't trying to sound angry I was aiming more for condescending. And yes I have a problem with that assumption First of all explain to me how my ships shield suddenly lower, or I get so much worse at pvp by saying I am in an alliance. I don't. Secondly, there is strength in numbers, thats why you team up with evol/rkk/atuk/bnc. Jeez its beginning to sound like an alliance if you say it out loud. And last but not least, having industrial/research corps that are protected by pvp corps actually makes an alliance stronger provided they participate in the alliance. PVP is not the only aspect of this game that makes an alliance strong.
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:42:00 - [154] I'm sorry I wasn't trying to sound angry I was aiming more for condescending. And yes I have a problem with that assumption First of all explain to me how my ships shield suddenly lower, or I get so much worse at pvp by saying I am in an alliance. I don't. Secondly, there is strength in numbers, thats why you team up with evol/rkk/atuk/bnc. Jeez its beginning to sound like an alliance if you say it out loud. And last but not least, having industrial/research corps that are protected by pvp corps actually makes an alliance stronger provided they participate in the alliance. PVP is not the only aspect of this game that makes an alliance strong.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:53:00 - [155] Thats fine, you have your opinion and I'll have mine and I'll just accept I'm not going to change yours. Its a similar situation to when you call cry that your being DOS'ed and that your firewall is going off the scale from attacks and people are turning off your modules. You believed it happened, most didnt. I will, as they say, agree to disagree. Last post from me cos we are busy hijacking a thread that has not much to do with us ^_^ Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 16:53:00 - [156] Thats fine, you have your opinion and I'll have mine and I'll just accept I'm not going to change yours. Its a similar situation to when you call cry that your being DOS'ed and that your firewall is going off the scale from attacks and people are turning off your modules. You believed it happened, most didnt. I will, as they say, agree to disagree. Last post from me cos we are busy hijacking a thread that has not much to do with us ^_^ Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:05:00 - [157] Actually you're both right from certain perspectives. Stav is correct that allying with weaker corps makes you weaker IF they do not contribute to the alliance. Then they simply mooch and breed animosity. Hmm, where have I seen this parallel? Eh, it'll come to me... Iluyen is correct IF those weaker (or non PvP corps) are team players and do contribute to the alliance in a substantial way. Hence the reason for the CA tax. This way even die hard miners that do so in the CA POS can contribute to the alliance in a substantial way that is more then mere lip service. Although we PvPers pay the same tax when we mine, I have absolutely no problems with miners that are helping the alliance in this manner.
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:05:00 - [158] Actually you're both right from certain perspectives. Stav is correct that allying with weaker corps makes you weaker IF they do not contribute to the alliance. Then they simply mooch and breed animosity. Hmm, where have I seen this parallel? Eh, it'll come to me... Iluyen is correct IF those weaker (or non PvP corps) are team players and do contribute to the alliance in a substantial way. Hence the reason for the CA tax. This way even die hard miners that do so in the CA POS can contribute to the alliance in a substantial way that is more then mere lip service. Although we PvPers pay the same tax when we mine, I have absolutely no problems with miners that are helping the alliance in this manner.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:08:00 - [159] Why Can't Someone Ban Walking Contradiction?! GodDamnit! WHERE'S THE JUSTICE MODS?! WHEREEEE?!?? -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:08:00 - [160] Why Can't Someone Ban Walking Contradiction?! GodDamnit! WHERE'S THE JUSTICE MODS?! WHEREEEE?!?? -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:13:00 - [161] On a scale of 1-10, my hangover today is rated at aboot 8.5, hence i will be somewhat delayed in responding to the various posts in this thread. (The EGCO "going-away" party was awsome) In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:13:00 - [162] On a scale of 1-10, my hangover today is rated at aboot 8.5, hence i will be somewhat delayed in responding to the various posts in this thread. (The EGCO "going-away" party was awsome) In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H.
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:26:00 - [163] they did save your asses duke... but I like foyle too much to give her more things that she has to deal with www.dark-cartel.com
Daakkon	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:26:00 - [164] they did save your asses duke... but I like foyle too much to give her more things that she has to deal with www.dark-cartel.com
Darkrydar	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:39:00 - [165] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. Sorry, not true. First off, EGCO wasnt a founding corporation. They were sponsored into CA by Saladin. Second off, I see your own allies like GLFTourque now saying that they realise EV was to blame with the internal strife. Just felt I had to set the record straight.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:39:00 - [166] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Duke and OC are always going to be troublemakers. EV got the blame for the SA Sage but it seems the truth of matters is coming to light as Duke and Foyle slowly but surely cvorrupt the original founders and bring in new fresh gullbile blood. Sorry, not true. First off, EGCO wasnt a founding corporation. They were sponsored into CA by Saladin. Second off, I see your own allies like GLFTourque now saying that they realise EV was to blame with the internal strife. Just felt I had to set the record straight.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:45:00 - [167] Originally by: DJTheBaron Considering most of the corps in ca until last month did not contribute in any way, that is why the tax has been placed upon them. Post shiva, we'll see how it goes. How did this slip by everyone? I mean, Jesus.
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:45:00 - [168] Originally by: DJTheBaron Considering most of the corps in ca until last month did not contribute in any way, that is why the tax has been placed upon them. Post shiva, we'll see how it goes. How did this slip by everyone? I mean, Jesus.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:51:00 - [169] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:16:50 EDIT: Thanks duke for your reply, answers some of my questions without flames or personal insults, nice to read. Duke, shame on you. Your being civil. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:51:00 - [170] Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:16:50 EDIT: Thanks duke for your reply, answers some of my questions without flames or personal insults, nice to read. Duke, shame on you. Your being civil. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:52:00 - [171] Originally by: Duke Droklar Actually you're both right from certain perspectives. Stav is correct that allying with weaker corps makes you weaker IF they do not contribute to the alliance. Then they simply mooch and breed animosity. Hmm, where have I seen this parallel? Eh, it'll come to me... Iluyen is correct IF those weaker (or non PvP corps) are team players and do contribute to the alliance in a substantial way. Hence the reason for the CA tax. This way even die hard miners that do so in the CA POS can contribute to the alliance in a substantial way that is more then mere lip service. Although we PvPers pay the same tax when we mine, I have absolutely no problems with miners that are helping the alliance in this manner. Well... As it always is with you duke, if people aren't in your blob in HLW, they aren't contributing to the alliance. - Whatever. I'd like to comment on our contributions though, and those who know me, know i am a very honest businessman. My corportation put over 200m isk worth of minerals into the "CA Tax" in 0-w during the first week of taxation. During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. Those who are still contributing to the tax are aware of this now, and everyone in CA knows i am a man of intergrity and honesty. EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone? Why not xirt or Eternaldark, or any number of people whom we can trust?). Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies. You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us. ALL questions that were put to me in council were answered promptly and honestly yesterday which led to a vote to reinstate us. You could not handle this. Your plan had failed, miserably i might add. It was a shame that you would not let me stay for the vote, i do not think it was too much to ask for every CEO to TELL IT TO MY FACE if they wanted us out. I wish i had been privy to the chaos that ensued after you did not get your way. Clearly daak found it amusing. More late... C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:52:00 - [172] Originally by: Duke Droklar Actually you're both right from certain perspectives. Stav is correct that allying with weaker corps makes you weaker IF they do not contribute to the alliance. Then they simply mooch and breed animosity. Hmm, where have I seen this parallel? Eh, it'll come to me... Iluyen is correct IF those weaker (or non PvP corps) are team players and do contribute to the alliance in a substantial way. Hence the reason for the CA tax. This way even die hard miners that do so in the CA POS can contribute to the alliance in a substantial way that is more then mere lip service. Although we PvPers pay the same tax when we mine, I have absolutely no problems with miners that are helping the alliance in this manner. Well... As it always is with you duke, if people aren't in your blob in HLW, they aren't contributing to the alliance. - Whatever. I'd like to comment on our contributions though, and those who know me, know i am a very honest businessman. My corportation put over 200m isk worth of minerals into the "CA Tax" in 0-w during the first week of taxation. During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. Those who are still contributing to the tax are aware of this now, and everyone in CA knows i am a man of intergrity and honesty. EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone? Why not xirt or Eternaldark, or any number of people whom we can trust?). Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies. You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us. ALL questions that were put to me in council were answered promptly and honestly yesterday which led to a vote to reinstate us. You could not handle this. Your plan had failed, miserably i might add. It was a shame that you would not let me stay for the vote, i do not think it was too much to ask for every CEO to TELL IT TO MY FACE if they wanted us out. I wish i had been privy to the chaos that ensued after you did not get your way. Clearly daak found it amusing. More late... C.H.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:54:00 - [173] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H. So your asking moderators for personal favors to remove some oc posts? Perhaps your hangover is worse than previousily thought. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:54:00 - [174] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H. So your asking moderators for personal favors to remove some oc posts? Perhaps your hangover is worse than previousily thought. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:55:00 - [175] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder On a scale of 1-10, my hangover today is rated at aboot 8.5, hence i will be somewhat delayed in responding to the various posts in this thread. (The EGCO "going-away" party was awsome) In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H. Mods delete this one plz. It's clearly inciting flaming by insuating flaming... ouch i hurt myself thinking that one up Anyways, it's not just OC that kicked you out. It was done by a majority vote simple as that. Blame all you want on OC for having the balls to say what we think. But we fight for the CA every day and will keep doing so. And so will the rest of CA who give a flying **** about the alliance.
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:55:00 - [176] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder On a scale of 1-10, my hangover today is rated at aboot 8.5, hence i will be somewhat delayed in responding to the various posts in this thread. (The EGCO "going-away" party was awsome) In the meantime, to the MODS, i would consider it a personal favour if you removed any OC posts that you feel are flames so that we don't end up with this thread locked. Please use your best discretion. Thank you in advance. C.H. Mods delete this one plz. It's clearly inciting flaming by insuating flaming... ouch i hurt myself thinking that one up Anyways, it's not just OC that kicked you out. It was done by a majority vote simple as that. Blame all you want on OC for having the balls to say what we think. But we fight for the CA every day and will keep doing so. And so will the rest of CA who give a flying **** about the alliance.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:57:00 - [177] Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? I thought CA was a democracy not a dictatorship? Dunno, see this is just more of the same confusing stuff that we hear more and more from curse.. Who knows, nice to see this thread not degenerating into flames though :P Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.19 17:57:00 - [178] Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? I thought CA was a democracy not a dictatorship? Dunno, see this is just more of the same confusing stuff that we hear more and more from curse.. Who knows, nice to see this thread not degenerating into flames though :P Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Merykara	Posted - 2004.09.19 18:02:00 - [179] The issue with Ca seems pretty straightforward to me actually. There seem to be two types of corps in there, those who put everything second to pvp and those who don't. Neither is worse then the other imo, and not putting everything second to pvp does not exclude being a valuable alliance asset or a good pvp corp at all either. So what we see happening is that one of these two types gets forced out by the other because it seems that one can;t tolerate the other anymore. Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ******* up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon). Why not cut the crap and come out clean, call a vote in the council to dissolve and then form anew ? No need for scheming, inventing chatlogs and being uber paranoid. Get the trust issue out of the way for good....
Merykara	Posted - 2004.09.19 18:02:00 - [180] The issue with Ca seems pretty straightforward to me actually. There seem to be two types of corps in there, those who put everything second to pvp and those who don't. Neither is worse then the other imo, and not putting everything second to pvp does not exclude being a valuable alliance asset or a good pvp corp at all either. So what we see happening is that one of these two types gets forced out by the other because it seems that one can;t tolerate the other anymore. Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ******* up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon). Why not cut the crap and come out clean, call a vote in the council to dissolve and then form anew ? No need for scheming, inventing chatlogs and being uber paranoid. Get the trust issue out of the way for good....
Svarun	Posted - 2004.09.19 18:13:00 - [181] Originally by: Stavros Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? No.
Svarun	Posted - 2004.09.19 18:13:00 - [182] Originally by: Stavros Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? No.
Borothis Quishir	Posted - 2004.09.19 19:47:00 - [183] Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. I can honestly say I never wanted OC to join the CA now that I dont have to worry about reprocussions and if I would have had a say in it I woulda voted no. ALl they ever do is cause trouble, make more enemies and invade other alliance space to so called "protect our assets" and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. And before that GW was left to rot beacause it wasnt deemed worthy enough an area to defend. Well I guess they got thier wish now nobodys thier defending it after the main defenders got kicked out. Oh well youll soon learn the folly of your ways I guess, one can only hope.
Borothis Quishir	Posted - 2004.09.19 19:47:00 - [184] Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. I can honestly say I never wanted OC to join the CA now that I dont have to worry about reprocussions and if I would have had a say in it I woulda voted no. ALl they ever do is cause trouble, make more enemies and invade other alliance space to so called "protect our assets" and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. And before that GW was left to rot beacause it wasnt deemed worthy enough an area to defend. Well I guess they got thier wish now nobodys thier defending it after the main defenders got kicked out. Oh well youll soon learn the folly of your ways I guess, one can only hope.
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.09.19 19:57:00 - [185] So Capt Hindgrinder, who from you guys was fergal? __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.09.19 19:57:00 - [186] So Capt Hindgrinder, who from you guys was fergal? __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Randomina	Posted - 2004.09.19 20:21:00 - [187] Hmmmm my sources tell me a few things. First of all how do you address the issue of EGCO(hindgrinder by name to) being mentioned on a recording of a conversation about breaking off from CA and forming a new allaince without CA council blessing. Also the issue of Khal Dominicus abuse towards other members in the alliance? Members of your corp *****ing and whining about the Tax the CA council put in place to prepare for Shiva. Also the HUGE amount(i was told 150k but maybe thats over the top) of rare ore stored in your corp hangar in 0-w that was only refined after xetic took over the station for a short time unitl EGCO took it back refining and not paying any tax?
Randomina	Posted - 2004.09.19 20:21:00 - [188] Hmmmm my sources tell me a few things. First of all how do you address the issue of EGCO(hindgrinder by name to) being mentioned on a recording of a conversation about breaking off from CA and forming a new allaince without CA council blessing. Also the issue of Khal Dominicus abuse towards other members in the alliance? Members of your corp *****ing and whining about the Tax the CA council put in place to prepare for Shiva. Also the HUGE amount(i was told 150k but maybe thats over the top) of rare ore stored in your corp hangar in 0-w that was only refined after xetic took over the station for a short time unitl EGCO took it back refining and not paying any tax?
Shia Tia	Posted - 2004.09.19 22:51:00 - [189] Edited by: Shia Tia on 19/09/2004 23:07:01 Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything? Leave your real world ideas out of Eve. These are very biased opinons, and if necessecary sufficient refuting evidence can be provided. I respectfully request that any comments concerning the real world be censored. The UN has nothing to do with the world of Eve. These forums as I understand them are not a forums for issuing declarations of political opinion. This is the Eve Alliance and Corporations Forums. With regards to use of military force, when diplomacy fails, the only remaining recourse is to use military force. If you cannot back up diplomacy with the use of military force then your diplomacy will have no net result. Walk softly, carry a big stick.
Shia Tia	Posted - 2004.09.19 22:51:00 - [190] Edited by: Shia Tia on 19/09/2004 23:07:01 Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything? Leave your real world ideas out of Eve. These are very biased opinons, and if necessecary sufficient refuting evidence can be provided. I respectfully request that any comments concerning the real world be censored. The UN has nothing to do with the world of Eve. These forums as I understand them are not a forums for issuing declarations of political opinion. This is the Eve Alliance and Corporations Forums. With regards to use of military force, when diplomacy fails, the only remaining recourse is to use military force. If you cannot back up diplomacy with the use of military force then your diplomacy will have no net result. Walk softly, carry a big stick.
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2004.09.19 22:58:00 - [191] TOGCO wishes you the best of luck, you have always had atleast my respect. Good luck! Our home
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2004.09.19 22:58:00 - [192] TOGCO wishes you the best of luck, you have always had atleast my respect. Good luck! Our home
Merykara	Posted - 2004.09.19 23:19:00 - [193] Originally by: Shia Tia Edited by: Shia Tia on 19/09/2004 23:07:01 Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything? Leave your real world ideas out of Eve. These are very biased opinons, and if necessecary sufficient refuting evidence can be provided. I respectfully request that any comments concerning the real world be censored. The UN has nothing to do with the world of Eve. These forums as I understand them are not a forums for issuing declarations of political opinion. This is the Eve Alliance and Corporations Forums. With regards to use of military force, when diplomacy fails, the only remaining recourse is to use military force. If you cannot back up diplomacy with the use of military force then your diplomacy will have no net result. Walk softly, carry a big stick. A well, but your theory includes attempts at diplomacy, CA policy does not.
Merykara	Posted - 2004.09.19 23:19:00 - [194] Originally by: Shia Tia Edited by: Shia Tia on 19/09/2004 23:07:01 Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder Have we indeed become blind, as America is blind to the United Nations, as Israel is blind to Palestine, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is the answer to everything? Leave your real world ideas out of Eve. These are very biased opinons, and if necessecary sufficient refuting evidence can be provided. I respectfully request that any comments concerning the real world be censored. The UN has nothing to do with the world of Eve. These forums as I understand them are not a forums for issuing declarations of political opinion. This is the Eve Alliance and Corporations Forums. With regards to use of military force, when diplomacy fails, the only remaining recourse is to use military force. If you cannot back up diplomacy with the use of military force then your diplomacy will have no net result. Walk softly, carry a big stick. A well, but your theory includes attempts at diplomacy, CA policy does not.
Jorev	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:11:00 - [195] I am not sure where you suppose CA use diplomacy when faced with treason? Forceful and decisive treatment of those engaged in activities against the alliance is the only proper course of action. Leave all that diplomatic mumbo jumbo to cfs and kofi annan... They excel at it, playing into hands of any adversary decisive enough.
Jorev	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:11:00 - [196] I am not sure where you suppose CA use diplomacy when faced with treason? Forceful and decisive treatment of those engaged in activities against the alliance is the only proper course of action. Leave all that diplomatic mumbo jumbo to cfs and kofi annan... They excel at it, playing into hands of any adversary decisive enough.
loozer	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:16:00 - [197] Originally by: Dolemite2K Originally by: Borothis Quishir "I was gone a few days and im still fuzzy on the details", but all I know is feel free to kick out the people who supported CA and keep those lovely spies you have throughout your corporations in hlw. Talk about priorities . Maybe if your CEO hadent been recorded talking about YOUR priorities... Wow remember Audio tapes were what sunk a U.S. president too. Treason is still TREASON. If you would have been honorable and just switched alliances you guys would have had more respect but noooo you tried to backstab your alliance and got busted and recorded on Audio Tape..talking about treason and betrayal.. No Excuses can get you guys out of that mess..
loozer	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:16:00 - [198] Originally by: Dolemite2K Originally by: Borothis Quishir "I was gone a few days and im still fuzzy on the details", but all I know is feel free to kick out the people who supported CA and keep those lovely spies you have throughout your corporations in hlw. Talk about priorities . Maybe if your CEO hadent been recorded talking about YOUR priorities... Wow remember Audio tapes were what sunk a U.S. president too. Treason is still TREASON. If you would have been honorable and just switched alliances you guys would have had more respect but noooo you tried to backstab your alliance and got busted and recorded on Audio Tape..talking about treason and betrayal.. No Excuses can get you guys out of that mess..
loozer	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:19:00 - [199] Originally by: Stavros Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? I thought CA was a democracy not a dictatorship? Dunno, see this is just more of the same confusing stuff that we hear more and more from curse.. Who knows, nice to see this thread not degenerating into flames though :P Stavros Stavros if someone was caught plotting to stab you in the back and take over your alliance and you were the military commander what would you do in this situation?
loozer	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:19:00 - [200] Originally by: Stavros Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? I thought CA was a democracy not a dictatorship? Dunno, see this is just more of the same confusing stuff that we hear more and more from curse.. Who knows, nice to see this thread not degenerating into flames though :P Stavros Stavros if someone was caught plotting to stab you in the back and take over your alliance and you were the military commander what would you do in this situation?
TIvian	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:22:00 - [201] Edited by: TIvian on 20/09/2004 00:25:33 Edited by: TIvian on 20/09/2004 00:24:46 I would like to rewind the clock a little here to one particular Monday morning. Thor the Great, Nirvy and I, were the only BOS guys logged in. NO CA leadership on. none of us where directors. when all of the sudden unexpected down time. 1 hour later the player owened stations drop. There was no plan, there was no leadership....nada! SO NGRU goes around grabbing up stations to prevent the enemy from getting them. BOS gets 1. then all hell breaks loose between NGRU and ATUK. And so we all know where that went. The whole of CA was not prepared for this. People had said lets get a plan but nothing ever came. CA was an alliance all about helping each other. and having fun. we did everything together...Hunted, NPCed and Minned. we did it all. BUT with the changes in the game and our enemy alliances ranks swelling with more corps and players we needed to grow as well. Some corps that came JUST MINNED, others JUST PvP'd, Some did both. Now the fact that CA did nothing to prepare for the future patch's comming down the pipe bit us in the ass. SO now that we needed to prepare(which I am thankful for)where is the isk going to come from.....? I still say that Omega Corp comming to CA was one of the best things to happen to us. Duke and his boys have taught me alot and the alliance as a whole. Duke has stepped up as a leader and rightfully so! Some of our leadership had RL issues to deal with. And as Xirtam was a target because of his success now so is Duke. To say that EGCO or NGRU or ALTZ did nothing is completely wrong. Just as to say ATUK or m0o did not contribute either. NGRU fought and did production to the point of being crippled at one point. EGCO Capt. Hindgrinder on many occasions gave me ships either free or at below cost and gave them to other people as well or sold mins to Corps with in the alliance at below market value. I support Duke 100% I support the Councel 100% Am I happy about Capt Hindgrinder being gone? NO! he is was a friend. BUT it doesn't change the fact that I AM CA. I am still here. The Councel did vote and it was by leading majority that non of these corps were allowed to remain in CA...why? their actions leading up to the vote made it plain and simple that they had no desire to stay. And we could not afford another ATUK situation. CA wants to be prepared for Shiva, and with times the way that they are things can't stay the way it used to be. the game doesn't allow for it. there are going to be those who feel betrayed because they had it their way for so long. Now that we are getting our act together to be what we should have been to begin with there are going to be Corps who and players who don't want things to change. SO yes I am sure we will have more unhappy corps being kicked. BUT in the end this is for a good cause. NONE of this is ment to in any way say that the corpes talked about didn't agree with this. I can't speak for them. This is to show that CA IS changing with the times. DEAL WITH IT (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
TIvian	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:22:00 - [202] Edited by: TIvian on 20/09/2004 00:25:33 Edited by: TIvian on 20/09/2004 00:24:46 I would like to rewind the clock a little here to one particular Monday morning. Thor the Great, Nirvy and I, were the only BOS guys logged in. NO CA leadership on. none of us where directors. when all of the sudden unexpected down time. 1 hour later the player owened stations drop. There was no plan, there was no leadership....nada! SO NGRU goes around grabbing up stations to prevent the enemy from getting them. BOS gets 1. then all hell breaks loose between NGRU and ATUK. And so we all know where that went. The whole of CA was not prepared for this. People had said lets get a plan but nothing ever came. CA was an alliance all about helping each other. and having fun. we did everything together...Hunted, NPCed and Minned. we did it all. BUT with the changes in the game and our enemy alliances ranks swelling with more corps and players we needed to grow as well. Some corps that came JUST MINNED, others JUST PvP'd, Some did both. Now the fact that CA did nothing to prepare for the future patch's comming down the pipe bit us in the ass. SO now that we needed to prepare(which I am thankful for)where is the isk going to come from.....? I still say that Omega Corp comming to CA was one of the best things to happen to us. Duke and his boys have taught me alot and the alliance as a whole. Duke has stepped up as a leader and rightfully so! Some of our leadership had RL issues to deal with. And as Xirtam was a target because of his success now so is Duke. To say that EGCO or NGRU or ALTZ did nothing is completely wrong. Just as to say ATUK or m0o did not contribute either. NGRU fought and did production to the point of being crippled at one point. EGCO Capt. Hindgrinder on many occasions gave me ships either free or at below cost and gave them to other people as well or sold mins to Corps with in the alliance at below market value. I support Duke 100% I support the Councel 100% Am I happy about Capt Hindgrinder being gone? NO! he is was a friend. BUT it doesn't change the fact that I AM CA. I am still here. The Councel did vote and it was by leading majority that non of these corps were allowed to remain in CA...why? their actions leading up to the vote made it plain and simple that they had no desire to stay. And we could not afford another ATUK situation. CA wants to be prepared for Shiva, and with times the way that they are things can't stay the way it used to be. the game doesn't allow for it. there are going to be those who feel betrayed because they had it their way for so long. Now that we are getting our act together to be what we should have been to begin with there are going to be Corps who and players who don't want things to change. SO yes I am sure we will have more unhappy corps being kicked. BUT in the end this is for a good cause. NONE of this is ment to in any way say that the corpes talked about didn't agree with this. I can't speak for them. This is to show that CA IS changing with the times. DEAL WITH IT (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:27:00 - [203] Good luck EGCO and Mr Hindgrinder Seeya all some time __________ HC MasiEEE
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:27:00 - [204] Good luck EGCO and Mr Hindgrinder Seeya all some time __________ HC MasiEEE
Lallante	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:27:00 - [205] Please see my rebuttal to the initial Post. Particularly if you are Stavros, or you like Arabian Progressive Trance Music (doesnt everyone?) Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Lallante	Posted - 2004.09.20 00:27:00 - [206] Please see my rebuttal to the initial Post. Particularly if you are Stavros, or you like Arabian Progressive Trance Music (doesnt everyone?) Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.20 01:55:00 - [207] Quote: During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. -Cpt H Hmmm, seems that the Council appointed monitors would have picked up on something like that if your claims had an ounce of validity. Remember the Council monitors? They can look into the hangars and see whats there anytime they want. Quote: EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone? Since it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers and ANY and all expeditures must be passed by Council vote this is obviously you talking from your nether regions. Quote: Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies. Lol, build the CA? How exactly since you mined 99% of your time and never contributed a dime. OC on the other hand fights in defense of CA every single day and only a few members mine in curse occasionally. We get little from CA other then comraderie and working with like minds towards a larger goal. Quote: You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval Yes, the CA Holding was authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Oh well, one mistake that was nearly unaniously approved the following meeting. That's all you got... cling to it. Quote: and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us. Excuse me but Xirt cannot call a cease fire that was unanymously approved by all the CA War Generals. He can call a cease fire for his own corp but that is it. You scream how "Duke and Foyle run the alliance" yet you support the concept that Xirt can make unilaterall decisions IF they benefit you... what a hypocrit! Quote: Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ***** up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon).-Merykara Please list the "scheming" that occured by anyone other then the ones booted from the CA. They can't and won't debate the rebutals to their false claims. All they can say is "duke is a dictator" while I do everything through the democratic process. They can't refute that. Quote: Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does -[ALTZ]Borothis Roflmao, so the Council is soooo weak we only have to whine to get our way? ohhhoohhhh, that's good, thanks, i needed a good laugh. Quote: or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. -[ALTZ]Borothis Then you should have brought us up on charges before the Council. Oh wait, you couldn't because you know everything we've done is through the CA rules and you're simply full of fedo poodoo. Quote:** and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. -[ALTZ]Borothis Hmmm, thought you were the "great defenders of Curse"? Oh wait, that's only when the CA Military is protecting you from real enemy fleets, not the imaginary ones consisting of a few frigs and cruisers you so valiantly protected Curse from. To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. If you're not happy with CA then change it in council with your voting power. Don't have enough votes? Then sway the other corps in CA Council with logical debate convincing them to vote your way. If you still don't win the vote then maybe, juuuust maybe, you're a minority and thus SHOULD NOT get your way in a democratic process. When you don't get your way in Council, accept it, move on and quit whining about "tyranny" and "the alliance isn't fair". You had just as much chance as anyone to get your ideas poassed through vote.
Duke Droklar	Posted - 2004.09.20 01:55:00 - [208] Quote: During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. -Cpt H Hmmm, seems that the Council appointed monitors would have picked up on something like that if your claims had an ounce of validity. Remember the Council monitors? They can look into the hangars and see whats there anytime they want. Quote: EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone? Since it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers and ANY and all expeditures must be passed by Council vote this is obviously you talking from your nether regions. Quote: Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies. Lol, build the CA? How exactly since you mined 99% of your time and never contributed a dime. OC on the other hand fights in defense of CA every single day and only a few members mine in curse occasionally. We get little from CA other then comraderie and working with like minds towards a larger goal. Quote: You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval Yes, the CA Holding was authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Oh well, one mistake that was nearly unaniously approved the following meeting. That's all you got... cling to it. Quote: and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us. Excuse me but Xirt cannot call a cease fire that was unanymously approved by all the CA War Generals. He can call a cease fire for his own corp but that is it. You scream how "Duke and Foyle run the alliance" yet you support the concept that Xirt can make unilaterall decisions IF they benefit you... what a hypocrit! Quote: Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ***** up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon).-Merykara Please list the "scheming" that occured by anyone other then the ones booted from the CA. They can't and won't debate the rebutals to their false claims. All they can say is "duke is a dictator" while I do everything through the democratic process. They can't refute that. Quote: Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does -[ALTZ]Borothis Roflmao, so the Council is soooo weak we only have to whine to get our way? ohhhoohhhh, that's good, thanks, i needed a good laugh. Quote: or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. -[ALTZ]Borothis Then you should have brought us up on charges before the Council. Oh wait, you couldn't because you know everything we've done is through the CA rules and you're simply full of fedo poodoo. Quote:** and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. -[ALTZ]Borothis Hmmm, thought you were the "great defenders of Curse"? Oh wait, that's only when the CA Military is protecting you from real enemy fleets, not the imaginary ones consisting of a few frigs and cruisers you so valiantly protected Curse from. To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. If you're not happy with CA then change it in council with your voting power. Don't have enough votes? Then sway the other corps in CA Council with logical debate convincing them to vote your way. If you still don't win the vote then maybe, juuuust maybe, you're a minority and thus SHOULD NOT get your way in a democratic process. When you don't get your way in Council, accept it, move on and quit whining about "tyranny" and "the alliance isn't fair". You had just as much chance as anyone to get your ideas poassed through vote.
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.09.20 02:19:00 - [209] You know duke, your just one corp too, but your bashing of EGCO, like they never did anything is pretty annoying. I don't see how CA can let an outside alliance/corp control what happens with CA. I noticed all these new corps in CA space when I was there the other day, CA's long standing members are getting over run by these n00bs joining the alliance, an you wonder why some good votes don't vote out correctly. What's with this war council being a separate entity anyways? People over ruling others now? Just who is in charge of CA anyways? Because I don't think any of you guys know. It's amazing how the time changes things like honor, loyalty, trust, respect and leadership. Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
HavokTBP	Posted - 2004.09.20 02:19:00 - [210] You know duke, your just one corp too, but your bashing of EGCO, like they never did anything is pretty annoying. I don't see how CA can let an outside alliance/corp control what happens with CA. I noticed all these new corps in CA space when I was there the other day, CA's long standing members are getting over run by these n00bs joining the alliance, an you wonder why some good votes don't vote out correctly. What's with this war council being a separate entity anyways? People over ruling others now? Just who is in charge of CA anyways? Because I don't think any of you guys know. It's amazing how the time changes things like honor, loyalty, trust, respect and leadership. Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.20 03:20:00 - [211] Since nobody answerd stavs question, I shall take a stab at it , although the answer may be out of date. I put CA's leadership (when I left) down as Republic'esque, wherein', all corps had 1 representative vote for their corporation, but there was a War Council (High council as I called it) consisting of the 'leaders' of CA, that is they decicded the military terms of CA's movements (this was after martial law was declared btw), Xirt, Duke, Chowdown, SkullHSC, and C4w3 were the High council members, formed from the corps that represented the military backbone and mentality of the Alliance. The Corps that were dedicated to a pvp, power, and strength oriented alliance, not based on money friends and weakness. But on Power, Internal cohesion (sp?), brutal effeciency. When I left (which is quite awhile ago now i suppose) That's waht was falling into place, FDCOM (huge miners/carebears) had been kicked out a week or some before that, and I beleive it was the beginning of the end for the deadwheight corps. Recentley, CA has upgraded it's security measures a great deal, and i've seen first hand that they're working greatly to thwart would-be spies (there's always an exception, so don't any dumbass think i'm saying CA is impreginable to spies... Because i'm not..). There may be some internal strife, but that always happens when there's change, and sooner or later something will break, and the solution will be found. I've personally known Duke to be an honourary and straightforward person, as have I known Cap to be the same sort, the fact that there is strife between these two is beyond me, but it happens. Change is the force of progress. -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.20 03:20:00 - [212] Since nobody answerd stavs question, I shall take a stab at it , although the answer may be out of date. I put CA's leadership (when I left) down as Republic'esque, wherein', all corps had 1 representative vote for their corporation, but there was a War Council (High council as I called it) consisting of the 'leaders' of CA, that is they decicded the military terms of CA's movements (this was after martial law was declared btw), Xirt, Duke, Chowdown, SkullHSC, and C4w3 were the High council members, formed from the corps that represented the military backbone and mentality of the Alliance. The Corps that were dedicated to a pvp, power, and strength oriented alliance, not based on money friends and weakness. But on Power, Internal cohesion (sp?), brutal effeciency. When I left (which is quite awhile ago now i suppose) That's waht was falling into place, FDCOM (huge miners/carebears) had been kicked out a week or some before that, and I beleive it was the beginning of the end for the deadwheight corps. Recentley, CA has upgraded it's security measures a great deal, and i've seen first hand that they're working greatly to thwart would-be spies (there's always an exception, so don't any dumbass think i'm saying CA is impreginable to spies... Because i'm not..). There may be some internal strife, but that always happens when there's change, and sooner or later something will break, and the solution will be found. I've personally known Duke to be an honourary and straightforward person, as have I known Cap to be the same sort, the fact that there is strife between these two is beyond me, but it happens. Change is the force of progress. -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.09.20 04:32:00 - [213] QUESTION to Stavros : After reading your posts regarding allying with "weak corps" i'd like your defentition of a weak corp please. this is how i think you see it....non pvp corp = weak corp, please correct me if i am wrong.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.09.20 04:32:00 - [214] QUESTION to Stavros : After reading your posts regarding allying with "weak corps" i'd like your defentition of a weak corp please. this is how i think you see it....non pvp corp = weak corp, please correct me if i am wrong.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.20 04:37:00 - [215] Edited by: Stavros on 20/09/2004 04:44:11 I see any corp who's members can't or won't pvp as a weak link in any alliance chain. I know plenty of corps that have game leading R&D departments AND are game leaders in pvp, one does not exclude the other. That being said, some corps make their intentions quite clear from the start and provided they contributed in other ways, such as ships/isk/access to bps etc. Then a non-pvping corp would be ok to have in an alliance, however I would always prefer a PVP'ing corp as an ally over a non-pvping corp at this point in the game. This is because R&D and blueprint ownership as well as having vast reserves of cash give VERY little to NO advantage to anyone with the game in its current state. In summation I think its fair to say that there is no reason for a corp to say it can't or won't pvp other than lack of skill and with the game in its present state you can research and develop all you want, when it comes to a fleet battle it won't help you at all if you don't have the pvp experience, cos chances are your enemies just went and bought the same l33t stuff you spent 10000 days agent humping to get, from some other neutral corp. These views are my own and not anyone elses, but tbh I'm right. Also all these opinions and comments are taken in the context of 0.0 alliances and not empire based ones (if there are any). -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.09.20 04:37:00 - [216] Edited by: Stavros on 20/09/2004 04:44:11 I see any corp who's members can't or won't pvp as a weak link in any alliance chain. I know plenty of corps that have game leading R&D departments AND are game leaders in pvp, one does not exclude the other. That being said, some corps make their intentions quite clear from the start and provided they contributed in other ways, such as ships/isk/access to bps etc. Then a non-pvping corp would be ok to have in an alliance, however I would always prefer a PVP'ing corp as an ally over a non-pvping corp at this point in the game. This is because R&D and blueprint ownership as well as having vast reserves of cash give VERY little to NO advantage to anyone with the game in its current state. In summation I think its fair to say that there is no reason for a corp to say it can't or won't pvp other than lack of skill and with the game in its present state you can research and develop all you want, when it comes to a fleet battle it won't help you at all if you don't have the pvp experience, cos chances are your enemies just went and bought the same l33t stuff you spent 10000 days agent humping to get, from some other neutral corp. These views are my own and not anyone elses, but tbh I'm right. Also all these opinions and comments are taken in the context of 0.0 alliances and not empire based ones (if there are any). -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
NIL8	Posted - 2004.09.20 05:10:00 - [217] Originally by: Daakkon lol I know man.. but why the f*ck would m0o "conspire" with egco? haha that made my day thanks hindgrinder Daakkon you are order to report to H-ADOC immediately so i can pod you.
NIL8	Posted - 2004.09.20 05:10:00 - [218] Originally by: Daakkon lol I know man.. but why the f*ck would m0o "conspire" with egco? haha that made my day thanks hindgrinder Daakkon you are order to report to H-ADOC immediately so i can pod you.
NIL8	Posted - 2004.09.20 05:32:00 - [219] Edited by: NIL8 on 20/09/2004 05:34:03 Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:16:50 The only thing that weakens a strong corp is allying itself with weak corps and none of our allies are weak. We fought Shinra in querious, and booty slapped them, there is NO chance OC would ever fight without the rest of C4, I mean they drag them around behind them whereever they go like the meatshields they are.The other two corps are interesting VOTF is probably my favourite CA corp just cos most of the people I still like and no are in there so I ain't saying anything about them. Lets talk about RUS, which SPECIFIC corp from rus are you talking about here? I mean there are lots of them arent there? (Someday your gonna have to learn the difference between a group of corps and a corp singular), yeah well whichever one your talking about we fought with them as allies in querious against CFS and the other inhabitants of that region, shocking? Hardly as they aren't the usual CA herd animals that we are all used to by now. I notice you don't even include your own corp in the list, even in your usual spats of deluded self belief you don't even think your own 'corp' would stand a chance against us. Finally you accept at least a small part of the truth, nice to see that... And nice personal insult there btw, nice to see how you like to match my arguements with nice logical counter arguements instead of just ducking for cover and throwing aroudn personal attacks in an attempt to hide the facts, oh wait you can't :( I win Stavros EDIT: Thanks duke for your reply, answers some of my questions without flames or personal insults, nice to read. Wishfull thinking stavros.
NIL8	Posted - 2004.09.20 05:32:00 - [220] Edited by: NIL8 on 20/09/2004 05:34:03 Originally by: Stavros Edited by: Stavros on 19/09/2004 16:16:50 The only thing that weakens a strong corp is allying itself with weak corps and none of our allies are weak. We fought Shinra in querious, and booty slapped them, there is NO chance OC would ever fight without the rest of C4, I mean they drag them around behind them whereever they go like the meatshields they are.The other two corps are interesting VOTF is probably my favourite CA corp just cos most of the people I still like and no are in there so I ain't saying anything about them. Lets talk about RUS, which SPECIFIC corp from rus are you talking about here? I mean there are lots of them arent there? (Someday your gonna have to learn the difference between a group of corps and a corp singular), yeah well whichever one your talking about we fought with them as allies in querious against CFS and the other inhabitants of that region, shocking? Hardly as they aren't the usual CA herd animals that we are all used to by now. I notice you don't even include your own corp in the list, even in your usual spats of deluded self belief you don't even think your own 'corp' would stand a chance against us. Finally you accept at least a small part of the truth, nice to see that... And nice personal insult there btw, nice to see how you like to match my arguements with nice logical counter arguements instead of just ducking for cover and throwing aroudn personal attacks in an attempt to hide the facts, oh wait you can't :( I win Stavros EDIT: Thanks duke for your reply, answers some of my questions without flames or personal insults, nice to read. Wishfull thinking stavros.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.20 06:34:00 - [221] Edited by: Capt Hindgrinder on 20/09/2004 06:40:13 We fought so little for CA that when PC Gamer UK magazine did an article about Eve and wanted to know about the CA... They quoted EGCO Director Khal Domminicus. (pg 8) All you Uk'ers can pick up a copy in any local convenience store, the whole article is great! linky C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2004.09.20 06:34:00 - [222] Edited by: Capt Hindgrinder on 20/09/2004 06:40:13 We fought so little for CA that when PC Gamer UK magazine did an article about Eve and wanted to know about the CA... They quoted EGCO Director Khal Domminicus. (pg 8) All you Uk'ers can pick up a copy in any local convenience store, the whole article is great! linky C.H.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.09.20 06:39:00 - [223] Originally by: Duke Droklar it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers all expeditures must be passed by Council Quote: authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Quote: approved by all the CA War Generals. Quote: it is appreciated and also required by charter. All I can say is. How in gods name you guys manage to get ANYTHING ******* accomplished is beyond me. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.09.20 06:39:00 - [224] Originally by: Duke Droklar it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers all expeditures must be passed by Council Quote: authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Quote: approved by all the CA War Generals. Quote: it is appreciated and also required by charter. All I can say is. How in gods name you guys manage to get ANYTHING ******* accomplished is beyond me. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.20 07:03:00 - [225] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder Edited by: Capt Hindgrinder on 20/09/2004 06:40:13 We fought so little for CA that when PC Gamer UK magazine did an article about Eve and wanted to know about the CA... They quoted EGCO Director Khal Domminicus. (pg 8) All you Uk'ers can pick up a copy in any local convenience store, the whole article is great! linky C.H. OMFG, That's just not fair, the American PCG rated Eve with 56% first time 'round, and hasn't done anything since! They don't even mention us (Eve online) as one of the big MMOG's happening atm! Bastards! you guys in the UK got a better mag methink, (but I think we in the west have better editors ) -Chancellor Prophecy Oh, and @ Guru, 4hr TS meetings, solves most things, most of the time Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.20 07:03:00 - [226] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder Edited by: Capt Hindgrinder on 20/09/2004 06:40:13 We fought so little for CA that when PC Gamer UK magazine did an article about Eve and wanted to know about the CA... They quoted EGCO Director Khal Domminicus. (pg 8) All you Uk'ers can pick up a copy in any local convenience store, the whole article is great! linky C.H. OMFG, That's just not fair, the American PCG rated Eve with 56% first time 'round, and hasn't done anything since! They don't even mention us (Eve online) as one of the big MMOG's happening atm! Bastards! you guys in the UK got a better mag methink, (but I think we in the west have better editors ) -Chancellor Prophecy Oh, and @ Guru, 4hr TS meetings, solves most things, most of the time Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.20 07:27:00 - [227] Just read that article Cap, and I must say, PCG kicks ass accross the planet, too bad the North American PCG didn't do a article like that, because it really kicked ass -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.20 07:27:00 - [228] Just read that article Cap, and I must say, PCG kicks ass accross the planet, too bad the North American PCG didn't do a article like that, because it really kicked ass -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.09.20 08:17:00 - [229] Democracy is over-rated.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.09.20 08:17:00 - [230] Democracy is over-rated.
C4w3	Posted - 2004.09.20 10:46:00 - [231] I actually find it fun .. seen Stavros great intrest and comment on what should be a internal CA thread! "If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one.
C4w3	Posted - 2004.09.20 10:46:00 - [232] I actually find it fun .. seen Stavros great intrest and comment on what should be a internal CA thread! "If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one.
Dentali	Posted - 2004.09.20 11:10:00 - [233] Go sell some more ISK on 3b@y. Maybe youll be able to buy yourself a pizza. So is said.
Dentali	Posted - 2004.09.20 11:10:00 - [234] Go sell some more ISK on 3b@y. Maybe youll be able to buy yourself a pizza. So is said.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.09.20 11:13:00 - [235] Originally by: Dianabolic Democracy is over-rated. Agreed, the 4 hour+ CA council meetings are really not needed. Just merge the lot into a couple of big corps with good leadership and you'll get things done soooo much easier.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.09.20 11:13:00 - [236] Originally by: Dianabolic Democracy is over-rated. Agreed, the 4 hour+ CA council meetings are really not needed. Just merge the lot into a couple of big corps with good leadership and you'll get things done soooo much easier.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.09.20 14:11:00 - [237] Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Originally by: Dianabolic Democracy is over-rated. Agreed, the 4 hour+ CA council meetings are really not needed. Just merge the lot into a couple of big corps with good leadership and you'll get things done soooo much easier. Yep.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.09.20 14:11:00 - [238] Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Originally by: Dianabolic Democracy is over-rated. Agreed, the 4 hour+ CA council meetings are really not needed. Just merge the lot into a couple of big corps with good leadership and you'll get things done soooo much easier. Yep.
Teelmaster	Posted - 2004.09.20 14:27:00 - [239] Quote: Agreed, the 4 hour+ CA council meetings are really not needed. That's what happens when everyone is trying to suck each other off, very little gets done.
Teelmaster	Posted - 2004.09.20 14:27:00 - [240] Quote: Agreed, the 4 hour+ CA council meetings are really not needed. That's what happens when everyone is trying to suck each other off, very little gets done.
Siobhan Ni	Posted - 2004.09.20 14:35:00 - [241] Originally by: Duke Droklar To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. Duke, it is attitudes and public postings like this that are causing unease in GW. My corp and I spend a lot of time and effort defending that region of space and do not take kindly to suggestions that we do so as an excuse to avoid the big military operations in the HLW area. Many CA pilots have commented that they are glad to see up camping the bvip-9 corridor when they are travelling down alone, or moving valuable resources. And if there is a lower threat in the GW it is because the CA corps in that part of space have fought hard to keep it that way.
Siobhan Ni	Posted - 2004.09.20 14:35:00 - [242] Originally by: Duke Droklar To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. Duke, it is attitudes and public postings like this that are causing unease in GW. My corp and I spend a lot of time and effort defending that region of space and do not take kindly to suggestions that we do so as an excuse to avoid the big military operations in the HLW area. Many CA pilots have commented that they are glad to see up camping the bvip-9 corridor when they are travelling down alone, or moving valuable resources. And if there is a lower threat in the GW it is because the CA corps in that part of space have fought hard to keep it that way.
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.20 14:44:00 - [243] Originally by: Siobhan Ni Originally by: Duke Droklar To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. Duke, it is attitudes and public postings like this that are causing unease in GW. My corp and I spend a lot of time and effort defending that region of space and do not take kindly to suggestions that we do so as an excuse to avoid the big military operations in the HLW area. Many CA pilots have commented that they are glad to see up camping the bvip-9 corridor when they are travelling down alone, or moving valuable resources. And if there is a lower threat in the GW it is because the CA corps in that part of space have fought hard to keep it that way. Like the man said siobhan, if u use it as an excuse. U guys don't and we see you around curse alot, so this doesn't apply to you. It did however apply to some of the kicked corps. Duke didn't put it in a very cleary in his statement i agree. notes down 1 good whipping for duke on a later to be set date, to be performed by the enslaver
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.20 14:44:00 - [244] Originally by: Siobhan Ni Originally by: Duke Droklar To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. Duke, it is attitudes and public postings like this that are causing unease in GW. My corp and I spend a lot of time and effort defending that region of space and do not take kindly to suggestions that we do so as an excuse to avoid the big military operations in the HLW area. Many CA pilots have commented that they are glad to see up camping the bvip-9 corridor when they are travelling down alone, or moving valuable resources. And if there is a lower threat in the GW it is because the CA corps in that part of space have fought hard to keep it that way. Like the man said siobhan, if u use it as an excuse. U guys don't and we see you around curse alot, so this doesn't apply to you. It did however apply to some of the kicked corps. Duke didn't put it in a very cleary in his statement i agree. notes down 1 good whipping for duke on a later to be set date, to be performed by the enslaver
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.09.20 15:17:00 - [245] Quote: I call'em like I see'em and I don't pull my punches. Some call it blunt, I call it honest. Only way to fly... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.09.20 15:17:00 - [246] Quote: I call'em like I see'em and I don't pull my punches. Some call it blunt, I call it honest. Only way to fly... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
crice	Posted - 2004.09.20 16:43:00 - [247] Good Luck to you EGCO. Crice
crice	Posted - 2004.09.20 16:43:00 - [248] Good Luck to you EGCO. Crice
Fiden	Posted - 2004.09.20 16:55:00 - [249] It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy.
Fiden	Posted - 2004.09.20 16:55:00 - [250] It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy.
Fiden	Posted - 2004.09.20 17:01:00 - [251] Edited by: Fiden on 20/09/2004 17:08:26 here this post about Peace CA&SA http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=105630 What is this mean, are you know CAPT, you good man. Good luck to you!
Fiden	Posted - 2004.09.20 17:01:00 - [252] Edited by: Fiden on 20/09/2004 17:08:26 here this post about Peace CA&SA http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=105630 What is this mean, are you know CAPT, you good man. Good luck to you!
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.20 17:12:00 - [253] Edited by: Kulach on 20/09/2004 17:29:31 Edited by: Kulach on 20/09/2004 17:16:30 Originally by: Fiden It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. Now childern if you look on above statment you see why sniffing glue is not a good thing. edit. As for the thread above that is not made by an OC member anyway (just to make this clear I mean Click Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Kulach	Posted - 2004.09.20 17:12:00 - [254] Edited by: Kulach on 20/09/2004 17:29:31 Edited by: Kulach on 20/09/2004 17:16:30 Originally by: Fiden It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. Now childern if you look on above statment you see why sniffing glue is not a good thing. edit. As for the thread above that is not made by an OC member anyway (just to make this clear I mean Click Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
Xanadu Foreva	Posted - 2004.09.20 17:24:00 - [255] Quote: SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. ahahahahaha
Xanadu Foreva	Posted - 2004.09.20 17:24:00 - [256] Quote: SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. ahahahahaha
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.20 17:44:00 - [257] Originally by: Fiden It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. wow, you should be a storywriter for disney!
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.20 17:44:00 - [258] Originally by: Fiden It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. wow, you should be a storywriter for disney!
Borothis Quishir	Posted - 2004.09.20 18:19:00 - [259] Quote me all you want duke. The fact is the ppl in hlw are useless when it come to defending that corridor for more then a few hours. When you had 4 times as many corps stationed down thier as we did in the gw area and we always responded to calls of arms down thier without a word of protest. And this is our thanks. I highly doubt you would go to a call to arms in gw if the whole SA/Xetic force decided it waould be easier to attack you from that side. The proof was shown sunday night when once corp was forced to try and "defend or push out" the EGCO guys who were thier just guarding thier assests while they moved them. I truly feel sorry for the corps remaining in GW left to rot while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies of everyone they came in contact with. And if you say we were booted beacause of treason its only beacause we finally seen the light and knew what kinda corruption was happening in the CA. As for the not turning you in. Its true I had no direct proof, just the loud murmurings of other CA. I dont spend 24/7 following the day to day politics of eve.
Borothis Quishir	Posted - 2004.09.20 18:19:00 - [260] Quote me all you want duke. The fact is the ppl in hlw are useless when it come to defending that corridor for more then a few hours. When you had 4 times as many corps stationed down thier as we did in the gw area and we always responded to calls of arms down thier without a word of protest. And this is our thanks. I highly doubt you would go to a call to arms in gw if the whole SA/Xetic force decided it waould be easier to attack you from that side. The proof was shown sunday night when once corp was forced to try and "defend or push out" the EGCO guys who were thier just guarding thier assests while they moved them. I truly feel sorry for the corps remaining in GW left to rot while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies of everyone they came in contact with. And if you say we were booted beacause of treason its only beacause we finally seen the light and knew what kinda corruption was happening in the CA. As for the not turning you in. Its true I had no direct proof, just the loud murmurings of other CA. I dont spend 24/7 following the day to day politics of eve.
Lallante	Posted - 2004.09.20 18:20:00 - [261] just read my rebuttal, it kinda disproves what you just said FDCOM ebayer #7 (orwhatever your title is) Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Lallante	Posted - 2004.09.20 18:20:00 - [262] just read my rebuttal, it kinda disproves what you just said FDCOM ebayer #7 (orwhatever your title is) Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.09.20 18:26:00 - [263] "while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies." Interesting although not historically factual.
EternalDark	Posted - 2004.09.20 18:26:00 - [264] "while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies." Interesting although not historically factual.
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2004.09.20 18:56:00 - [265] It is really sad to read this thread! ca and ex ca flaming eachother well if that the way ppl can be happy go on! but hornest what do we get out of it! we are just getting more and more ****ed on eachother! why not try split ass friend those of us thatcan do that!
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2004.09.20 18:56:00 - [266] It is really sad to read this thread! ca and ex ca flaming eachother well if that the way ppl can be happy go on! but hornest what do we get out of it! we are just getting more and more ****ed on eachother! why not try split ass friend those of us thatcan do that!
killerho	Posted - 2004.09.20 19:12:00 - [267] Originally by: Borothis Quishir Quote me all you want duke. The fact is the ppl in hlw are useless when it come to defending that corridor for more then a few hours. When you had 4 times as many corps stationed down thier as we did in the gw area and we always responded to calls of arms down thier without a word of protest. And this is our thanks. I highly doubt you would go to a call to arms in gw if the whole SA/Xetic force decided it waould be easier to attack you from that side. The proof was shown sunday night when once corp was forced to try and "defend or push out" the EGCO guys who were thier just guarding thier assests while they moved them. I truly feel sorry for the corps remaining in GW left to rot while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies of everyone they came in contact with. And if you say we were booted beacause of treason its only beacause we finally seen the light and knew what kinda corruption was happening in the CA. As for the not turning you in. Its true I had no direct proof, just the loud murmurings of other CA. I dont spend 24/7 following the day to day politics of eve. Military-Good Diplomacy-Very Bad
killerho	Posted - 2004.09.20 19:12:00 - [268] Originally by: Borothis Quishir Quote me all you want duke. The fact is the ppl in hlw are useless when it come to defending that corridor for more then a few hours. When you had 4 times as many corps stationed down thier as we did in the gw area and we always responded to calls of arms down thier without a word of protest. And this is our thanks. I highly doubt you would go to a call to arms in gw if the whole SA/Xetic force decided it waould be easier to attack you from that side. The proof was shown sunday night when once corp was forced to try and "defend or push out" the EGCO guys who were thier just guarding thier assests while they moved them. I truly feel sorry for the corps remaining in GW left to rot while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies of everyone they came in contact with. And if you say we were booted beacause of treason its only beacause we finally seen the light and knew what kinda corruption was happening in the CA. As for the not turning you in. Its true I had no direct proof, just the loud murmurings of other CA. I dont spend 24/7 following the day to day politics of eve. Military-Good Diplomacy-Very Bad
Oohwha Schipperman	Posted - 2004.09.20 19:54:00 - [269] Originally by: Stavros Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? No.
Oohwha Schipperman	Posted - 2004.09.20 19:54:00 - [270] Originally by: Stavros Is it true that the normal CA council voted to reinstate EGCO and then the 'war' council overruled and threw them out? No.
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.09.20 20:26:00 - [271] the most overlooked question in this whole fiasco is WHY did ALTZ, EGCO, and NGRU want to do what was allegedly said in some recording? In addition to that, WHY does Infinitus Odom now tender it's resignation to CA?
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.09.20 20:26:00 - [272] the most overlooked question in this whole fiasco is WHY did ALTZ, EGCO, and NGRU want to do what was allegedly said in some recording? In addition to that, WHY does Infinitus Odom now tender it's resignation to CA?
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2004.09.20 20:42:00 - [273] Originally by: Dirtball the most overlooked question in this whole fiasco is WHY did ALTZ, EGCO, and NGRU want to do what was allegedly said in some recording? In addition to that, WHY does Infinitus Odom now tender it's resignation to CA? Ass for that recording i cant tell u why there was said ass there was! but it was never ALTZ attention to be hostile towards CA. but things are ass they are where where kicked/left on good terms! About INFOD i could guees they not where happy so many of there friends left ca but i can only guess u gotta talk to INFOD there!
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2004.09.20 20:42:00 - [274] Originally by: Dirtball the most overlooked question in this whole fiasco is WHY did ALTZ, EGCO, and NGRU want to do what was allegedly said in some recording? In addition to that, WHY does Infinitus Odom now tender it's resignation to CA? Ass for that recording i cant tell u why there was said ass there was! but it was never ALTZ attention to be hostile towards CA. but things are ass they are where where kicked/left on good terms! About INFOD i could guees they not where happy so many of there friends left ca but i can only guess u gotta talk to INFOD there!
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.09.20 21:04:00 - [275] It's kind of rheotorical question there Sir JoJo, like the higher ups are supposed to read my last post and think "yeah that's true I never really considered Why? I just chose action based on what was alledgedly happening"
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.09.20 21:04:00 - [276] It's kind of rheotorical question there Sir JoJo, like the higher ups are supposed to read my last post and think "yeah that's true I never really considered Why? I just chose action based on what was alledgedly happening"
Flame ALT	Posted - 2004.09.20 21:06:00 - [277] Originally by: Fiden It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. Dude, we all know you put FDCOM miners into EGCO to make isk for you. All one needs to do is look at your website. Many of us see this as game, not income.
Flame ALT	Posted - 2004.09.20 21:06:00 - [278] Originally by: Fiden It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. Dude, we all know you put FDCOM miners into EGCO to make isk for you. All one needs to do is look at your website. Many of us see this as game, not income.
Foyle	Posted - 2004.09.20 21:17:00 - [279] Originally by: Fiden It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. ummm I was never in SA, I was never C4, please get the information correct. As far as Duke, myself or anyone having spies in SA, well if that were true, it wouldnt shock anyone now would it? no more then if SA had spies in CA. Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Foyle	Posted - 2004.09.20 21:17:00 - [280] Originally by: Fiden It looks to me like OC with Duke & Foyle have Special Agents and spys still in some SA. We have strong feelings that OC exchanges information about CA with SA. Some weeks ago here was posts about peace forever between CA and SA. We know that true SA loyal corps only reply to be polite and not smack talk, but still see evidence of exchange of information, positions and numbers of CA fighters given from Duke to his spys still in SA. He only gives info on CA corps that C4 has long term plans to remove from Curse Alliance. Already we see C4 corps kicking old CA corps step by step and pretend democracy only for show. Many are wondering who will be next as CA gets smaller while C4 gets larger within. Good job agents. SA don't forget what OC did to you, and be cautious OC will name their children your names to spy. ummm I was never in SA, I was never C4, please get the information correct. As far as Duke, myself or anyone having spies in SA, well if that were true, it wouldnt shock anyone now would it? no more then if SA had spies in CA. Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.09.20 21:20:00 - [281] SA had OC join CA, to destroy CA from within, but guess you got us now :(
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.09.20 21:20:00 - [282] SA had OC join CA, to destroy CA from within, but guess you got us now :(
killerho	Posted - 2004.09.20 23:32:00 - [283] Originally by: Arthur Guinness SA had OC join CA, to destroy CA from within, but guess you got us now :( For some reason I believe that.
killerho	Posted - 2004.09.20 23:32:00 - [284] Originally by: Arthur Guinness SA had OC join CA, to destroy CA from within, but guess you got us now :( For some reason I believe that.
Flame ALT	Posted - 2004.09.20 23:51:00 - [285] I love STain's TS. It only cost me a tad extra to buy the indivudal channel passwords and listen in yesterday. I would have thought for an alliance your size you could field more ppl than that....
Flame ALT	Posted - 2004.09.20 23:51:00 - [286] I love STain's TS. It only cost me a tad extra to buy the indivudal channel passwords and listen in yesterday. I would have thought for an alliance your size you could field more ppl than that....
crice	Posted - 2004.09.20 23:53:00 - [287] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Duke Droklar it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers all expeditures must be passed by Council Quote: authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Quote: approved by all the CA War Generals. Quote: it is appreciated and also required by charter. All I can say is. How in gods name you guys manage to get ANYTHING ******* accomplished is beyond me.
crice	Posted - 2004.09.20 23:53:00 - [288] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Duke Droklar it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers all expeditures must be passed by Council Quote: authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Quote: approved by all the CA War Generals. Quote: it is appreciated and also required by charter. All I can say is. How in gods name you guys manage to get ANYTHING ******* accomplished is beyond me.
Swanger	Posted - 2004.09.21 01:38:00 - [289] Originally by: Dirtball -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the most overlooked question in this whole fiasco is WHY did ALTZ, EGCO, and NGRU want to do what was allegedly said in some recording? In addition to that, WHY does Infinitus Odom now tender it's resignation to CA? Infintus Odium resigned from the Curse Alliance due to the mishandling of Alcatraz, EveGameCard and Northern Guerilla Reaver Unit's expulsion from the Alliance. It is our belief that no 3 people should have the right or power to expel three long standing corporations of the Alliance. Most especially 3 people should never have the authority to place all the members from those corporations as KOS. Last weeks incident was blatantly wrong and an abuse of power. It is also our opinion that those same three people believe that the Council is to be used as a matter of convenience and in fact has no real authority or power in governing C.A. Infinitus Odium will not condone nor be a part of an organization that abuses it's members in such a way. That being said it is with a heavy heart and deep regret that we must leave our friends and all the outstanding member corporations of Curse Alliance. It was truly a pleasure to operate alongside the likes of Black Widows, Spectre Knights, GREED, and AOI, to name but a few. Respectfully, Swanger, Co-Ceo Infinitus Odium
Swanger	Posted - 2004.09.21 01:38:00 - [290] Originally by: Dirtball -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the most overlooked question in this whole fiasco is WHY did ALTZ, EGCO, and NGRU want to do what was allegedly said in some recording? In addition to that, WHY does Infinitus Odom now tender it's resignation to CA? Infintus Odium resigned from the Curse Alliance due to the mishandling of Alcatraz, EveGameCard and Northern Guerilla Reaver Unit's expulsion from the Alliance. It is our belief that no 3 people should have the right or power to expel three long standing corporations of the Alliance. Most especially 3 people should never have the authority to place all the members from those corporations as KOS. Last weeks incident was blatantly wrong and an abuse of power. It is also our opinion that those same three people believe that the Council is to be used as a matter of convenience and in fact has no real authority or power in governing C.A. Infinitus Odium will not condone nor be a part of an organization that abuses it's members in such a way. That being said it is with a heavy heart and deep regret that we must leave our friends and all the outstanding member corporations of Curse Alliance. It was truly a pleasure to operate alongside the likes of Black Widows, Spectre Knights, GREED, and AOI, to name but a few. Respectfully, Swanger, Co-Ceo Infinitus Odium
Masochist	Posted - 2004.09.21 01:49:00 - [291] Good luck EGCO. I hope that by leaving the Curse Alliance Khal will have more time to smoke pot, hand out drugs in Pator, and be practically worthless. Snooooooch.
Masochist	Posted - 2004.09.21 01:49:00 - [292] Good luck EGCO. I hope that by leaving the Curse Alliance Khal will have more time to smoke pot, hand out drugs in Pator, and be practically worthless. Snooooooch.
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.21 02:45:00 - [293] Originally by: EternalDark "while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies." Interesting although not historically factual. I agree. i would rather say "while the people in Curse try and hold off constant attacks from enemies because they were stupid enough to betray their friends." The funny thing is that in the Xetic-IF, nobody believed to the reports indicating CA was preparing something. We all thought until the end that our friends (the relationship with CA being -honest- extremly good) would never try anything against us. The funny thing is the origin of the war is... Omega Corp. An Omega Corp pilot refusing several times to head back. Since C4 wanted this war (according to Duke himself who wanted to expand), I guess Omega Corp planned all this. Duke keeps lying. Did I heard about the mobilization of CA forces recently to stop an invasion from SA, FA and XF (supposed to happened according to CA's intel and which never in fact existed) ? Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.21 02:45:00 - [294] Originally by: EternalDark "while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies." Interesting although not historically factual. I agree. i would rather say "while the people in Curse try and hold off constant attacks from enemies because they were stupid enough to betray their friends." The funny thing is that in the Xetic-IF, nobody believed to the reports indicating CA was preparing something. We all thought until the end that our friends (the relationship with CA being -honest- extremly good) would never try anything against us. The funny thing is the origin of the war is... Omega Corp. An Omega Corp pilot refusing several times to head back. Since C4 wanted this war (according to Duke himself who wanted to expand), I guess Omega Corp planned all this. Duke keeps lying. Did I heard about the mobilization of CA forces recently to stop an invasion from SA, FA and XF (supposed to happened according to CA's intel and which never in fact existed) ? Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Biblio D'Wangus	Posted - 2004.09.21 06:44:00 - [295] Edited by: Biblio D'Wangus on 21/09/2004 06:46:41 Originally by: Duke Droklar Quote: During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. -Cpt H Hmmm, seems that the Council appointed monitors would have picked up on something like that if your claims had an ounce of validity. Remember the Council monitors? They can look into the hangars and see whats there anytime they want. Quote: EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone? Since it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers and ANY and all expeditures must be passed by Council vote this is obviously you talking from your nether regions. Quote: Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies. Lol, build the CA? How exactly since you mined 99% of your time and never contributed a dime. OC on the other hand fights in defense of CA every single day and only a few members mine in curse occasionally. We get little from CA other then comraderie and working with like minds towards a larger goal. Quote: You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval Yes, the CA Holding was authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Oh well, one mistake that was nearly unaniously approved the following meeting. That's all you got... cling to it. Quote: and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us. Excuse me but Xirt cannot call a cease fire that was unanymously approved by all the CA War Generals. He can call a cease fire for his own corp but that is it. You scream how "Duke and Foyle run the alliance" yet you support the concept that Xirt can make unilaterall decisions IF they benefit you... what a hypocrit! Quote: Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ***** up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon).-Merykara Please list the "scheming" that occured by anyone other then the ones booted from the CA. They can't and won't debate the rebutals to their false claims. All they can say is "duke is a dictator" while I do everything through the democratic process. They can't refute that. Quote: Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does -[ALTZ]Borothis Roflmao, so the Council is soooo weak we only have to whine to get our way? ohhhoohhhh, that's good, thanks, i needed a good laugh. Quote: or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. -[ALTZ]Borothis Then you should have brought us up on charges before the Council. Oh wait, you couldn't because you know everything we've done is through the CA rules and you're simply full of fedo poodoo. Quote:** and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. -[ALTZ]Borothis Hmmm, thought you were the "great defenders of Curse"? Oh wait, that's only when the CA Military is protecting you from real enemy fleets, not the imaginary ones consisting of a few frigs and cruisers you so valiantly protected Curse from. To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. If you're not happy with CA then change it in council with your voting power. Don't have enough votes? Then sway the other corps in CA Council with logical debate convincing them to vote your way. If you still don't win the vote then maybe, juuuust maybe, you're a minority and thus SHOULD NOT get your way in a democratic process. When you don't get your way in Council, accept it, move on and quit whining about "tyranny" and "the alliance isn't fair". You had just as much chance as anyone to get your ideas poassed through vote. THIS IS A GAME AND I THINK SOMEONE HAS WAY TOOO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS. YOU SHOULD REALLY CALM DOWN AND REALIZE YOUR NOT GOD AND YOU DONT MAKE ALL THE RULES. AND REMEMBER THIS IS A GAME THE WORLD WONT COME TO AN END IF SOMEONE INSULTS YOU. OH AND P.S GET A LIFE
Biblio D'Wangus	Posted - 2004.09.21 06:44:00 - [296] Edited by: Biblio D'Wangus on 21/09/2004 06:46:41 Originally by: Duke Droklar Quote: During yesterdays council meeting Foyle claimed that we put in nothing. I am quite convinced they have been stolen by either yourself or her in a very lame attempt to discredit us. -Cpt H Hmmm, seems that the Council appointed monitors would have picked up on something like that if your claims had an ounce of validity. Remember the Council monitors? They can look into the hangars and see whats there anytime they want. Quote: EGCO was supportive of the tax but not of those who would be administering it(you and foyle alone? Since it is all monitored by CA Council appointed officers and ANY and all expeditures must be passed by Council vote this is obviously you talking from your nether regions. Quote: Furthermore, in terms of our contributions, we helped BUILD this alliance whereas all you've done is helped destroy it by creating more and more enemies. Lol, build the CA? How exactly since you mined 99% of your time and never contributed a dime. OC on the other hand fights in defense of CA every single day and only a few members mine in curse occasionally. We get little from CA other then comraderie and working with like minds towards a larger goal. Quote: You speak alot of how "OC will enforce CA Law", yet violate it as whenever you feel like it. This is evident in your imposing of a tax prior to council approval Yes, the CA Holding was authorized by me as a CA General to take the stations which was clearly approved in the previous meeting but the tax rate was not approved at that point which we admitted was an error as we thought the 8+ hour meeting HAD approved it. Oh well, one mistake that was nearly unaniously approved the following meeting. That's all you got... cling to it. Quote: and OC attack on EGCO after Xirtam called a cease-fire until council could address the fabricated accusations against us. Excuse me but Xirt cannot call a cease fire that was unanymously approved by all the CA War Generals. He can call a cease fire for his own corp but that is it. You scream how "Duke and Foyle run the alliance" yet you support the concept that Xirt can make unilaterall decisions IF they benefit you... what a hypocrit! Quote: Pretty straightforward and clear imo, only thing clearly ***** up the whole scene is the lame scheming going on behind the scenes like described by Capt. H. (and Daakon).-Merykara Please list the "scheming" that occured by anyone other then the ones booted from the CA. They can't and won't debate the rebutals to their false claims. All they can say is "duke is a dictator" while I do everything through the democratic process. They can't refute that. Quote: Stavros your partially correct its a democracy only when the vote goes the way they want it otherwise the whine and compain until it does -[ALTZ]Borothis Roflmao, so the Council is soooo weak we only have to whine to get our way? ohhhoohhhh, that's good, thanks, i needed a good laugh. Quote: or they dont even vote and just do it anyway. -[ALTZ]Borothis Then you should have brought us up on charges before the Council. Oh wait, you couldn't because you know everything we've done is through the CA rules and you're simply full of fedo poodoo. Quote:** and while thier away we always got attacked. It doesnt seem to matter that we defended the GW area without ever asking for assistance from the corps in hlw for months. -[ALTZ]Borothis Hmmm, thought you were the "great defenders of Curse"? Oh wait, that's only when the CA Military is protecting you from real enemy fleets, not the imaginary ones consisting of a few frigs and cruisers you so valiantly protected Curse from. To those that defend the GW or any other areas in CA, it is appreciated and also required by charter. It is also required that you respond to call to arms and NOT use that defense against small threats as a way to get out of fighting in the MUCH larger defense of CA. If you're not happy with CA then change it in council with your voting power. Don't have enough votes? Then sway the other corps in CA Council with logical debate convincing them to vote your way. If you still don't win the vote then maybe, juuuust maybe, you're a minority and thus SHOULD NOT get your way in a democratic process. When you don't get your way in Council, accept it, move on and quit whining about "tyranny" and "the alliance isn't fair". You had just as much chance as anyone to get your ideas poassed through vote. THIS IS A GAME AND I THINK SOMEONE HAS WAY TOOO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS. YOU SHOULD REALLY CALM DOWN AND REALIZE YOUR NOT GOD AND YOU DONT MAKE ALL THE RULES. AND REMEMBER THIS IS A GAME THE WORLD WONT COME TO AN END IF SOMEONE INSULTS YOU. OH AND P.S GET A LIFE
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.21 06:49:00 - [297] Originally by: Biblio D'Wangus THIS IS A GAME AND I THINK SOMEONE HAS WAY TOOO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS. YOU SHOULD REALLY CALM DOWN AND REALIZE YOUR NOT GOD AND YOU DONT MAKE ALL THE RULES. AND REMEMBER THIS IS A GAME THE WORLD WONT COME TO AN END IF SOMEONE INSULTS YOU. OH AND P.S GET A LIFE If it's a game, then why u shouting?
Tholarim	Posted - 2004.09.21 06:49:00 - [298] Originally by: Biblio D'Wangus THIS IS A GAME AND I THINK SOMEONE HAS WAY TOOO MUCH TIME ON THERE HANDS. YOU SHOULD REALLY CALM DOWN AND REALIZE YOUR NOT GOD AND YOU DONT MAKE ALL THE RULES. AND REMEMBER THIS IS A GAME THE WORLD WONT COME TO AN END IF SOMEONE INSULTS YOU. OH AND P.S GET A LIFE If it's a game, then why u shouting?
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.21 06:54:00 - [299] Originally by: olyyy Originally by: EternalDark "while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies." Interesting although not historically factual. I agree. i would rather say "while the people in Curse try and hold off constant attacks from enemies because they were stupid enough to betray their friends." The funny thing is that in the Xetic-IF, nobody believed to the reports indicating CA was preparing something. We all thought until the end that our friends (the relationship with CA being -honest- extremly good) would never try anything against us. The funny thing is the origin of the war is... Omega Corp. An Omega Corp pilot refusing several times to head back. Since C4 wanted this war (according to Duke himself who wanted to expand), I guess Omega Corp planned all this. Duke keeps lying. Did I heard about the mobilization of CA forces recently to stop an invasion from SA, FA and XF (supposed to happened according to CA's intel and which never in fact existed) ? Olyyy, stfu, that horse has been beaten into the ground so hard, you could use the bones as a narcotic. Don't bring that DEAD topic up, AGAIN, when this is totally unrelated to the war CA and XETIC had with each other. There's no conspiracy theory here, just a paranoid XETIC Grunt that's been beaten through a wall a few too many times. -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.09.21 06:54:00 - [300] Originally by: olyyy Originally by: EternalDark "while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies." Interesting although not historically factual. I agree. i would rather say "while the people in Curse try and hold off constant attacks from enemies because they were stupid enough to betray their friends." The funny thing is that in the Xetic-IF, nobody believed to the reports indicating CA was preparing something. We all thought until the end that our friends (the relationship with CA being -honest- extremly good) would never try anything against us. The funny thing is the origin of the war is... Omega Corp. An Omega Corp pilot refusing several times to head back. Since C4 wanted this war (according to Duke himself who wanted to expand), I guess Omega Corp planned all this. Duke keeps lying. Did I heard about the mobilization of CA forces recently to stop an invasion from SA, FA and XF (supposed to happened according to CA's intel and which never in fact existed) ? Olyyy, stfu, that horse has been beaten into the ground so hard, you could use the bones as a narcotic. Don't bring that DEAD topic up, AGAIN, when this is totally unrelated to the war CA and XETIC had with each other. There's no conspiracy theory here, just a paranoid XETIC Grunt that's been beaten through a wall a few too many times. -Chancellor Prophecy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Skelator	Posted - 2004.09.22 09:43:00 - [301] Originally by: Treptiomedes ah..now i know why i read ex-ca member in most of the EGCO bios when i flew through curse today You wont be flying through Curse too long Sir. Your FAKE Curse Alliance tags arent fooling anyone.. What a Lame Tactic. As for hiding in station and refusing to undock tonight you have shown your true Colors "Yellow" Free-Space-Ranger's Free-Space-Ranger's Whatcha Gonna Do.. Whatcha Gonna do when Stronghold WTFPWN's you? They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Skelator	Posted - 2004.09.22 09:43:00 - [302] Originally by: Treptiomedes ah..now i know why i read ex-ca member in most of the EGCO bios when i flew through curse today You wont be flying through Curse too long Sir. Your FAKE Curse Alliance tags arent fooling anyone.. What a Lame Tactic. As for hiding in station and refusing to undock tonight you have shown your true Colors "Yellow" Free-Space-Ranger's Free-Space-Ranger's Whatcha Gonna Do.. Whatcha Gonna do when Stronghold WTFPWN's you? They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.09.23 18:35:00 - [303] Originally by: Swanger Originally by: Dirtball -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the most overlooked question in this whole fiasco is WHY did ALTZ, EGCO, and NGRU want to do what was allegedly said in some recording? In addition to that, WHY does Infinitus Odom now tender it's resignation to CA? Infintus Odium resigned from the Curse Alliance due to the mishandling of Alcatraz, EveGameCard and Northern Guerilla Reaver Unit's expulsion from the Alliance. It is our belief that no 3 people should have the right or power to expel three long standing corporations of the Alliance. Most especially 3 people should never have the authority to place all the members from those corporations as KOS. Last weeks incident was blatantly wrong and an abuse of power. It is also our opinion that those same three people believe that the Council is to be used as a matter of convenience and in fact has no real authority or power in governing C.A. Infinitus Odium will not condone nor be a part of an organization that abuses it's members in such a way. That being said it is with a heavy heart and deep regret that we must leave our friends and all the outstanding member corporations of Curse Alliance. It was truly a pleasure to operate alongside the likes of Black Widows, Spectre Knights, GREED, and AOI, to name but a few. Respectfully, Swanger, Co-Ceo Infinitus Odium The heads of CA sit and urinate and moan about the crew in the great wildlands not activly joining in any ops. So finally 3 corps get together and say, we're sick of this *** lets just join up and stake our claim in the great wildlands for the sole reason to not be female dogged at for hardly ever taking a force to stain or wherever. Word of the recordings get out, snitches lose respect, the higher ups in CA make a snap decision and expel the corps that conspired to be left alone. Now CA shouldv'e sat back and thought to themselves WHY and realized that they were only frustrated with the CA because they thought they were doing their part for CA by defending the Great wildlands a CA claimed region. CA shouldv'e realized that all they really had to do was stop riding the great wildland residents asess about being in the Great Wildlands 100% of the time. The logical decision would then be to sit back and let the corps in the Great Wildlands do whatever the hell they wanted in Great Wildlands because at least they provide a service to the CA by keepin the great wildlands and one of the few routes back to empire relativly safe to travel. That was not even thought of, and now the Wildlands are empty except for Foyles alt that sits in e02 to report to herself who is being a carebear in E02 and not activly attacking, yes attacking and not defending the enemy cause apparantly that's all that matters. And the only reason I post here is because I've been in CA for like a god damn month and I don't even have access to teh CA forums, probably because I spent most of my time in the great wildlands. It's bull and I don't even care if I endanger my standing in CA anymore cause all I do is sit at work all day getting more and more p1ssed off every minute. Well at least there are no more corps that mine and refine in e02 anymore and thus circumventing the taxes. That's another thing I'm ed about, wtf are taxes for anyway, I've been in gangs and lost ships and have had the gang leaders ask what ships were lost and I've said vexor or something, I haven't had a better ship in battle yet, except when I lost a scorp the first day I was in CA, anyway I don't see for reiembursement or what the **. and I don't have a god damn clue after about one month of being ca. I think it's time to train a couple level 5's and take some time off.
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.09.23 18:35:00 - [304] Originally by: Swanger Originally by: Dirtball -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the most overlooked question in this whole fiasco is WHY did ALTZ, EGCO, and NGRU want to do what was allegedly said in some recording? In addition to that, WHY does Infinitus Odom now tender it's resignation to CA? Infintus Odium resigned from the Curse Alliance due to the mishandling of Alcatraz, EveGameCard and Northern Guerilla Reaver Unit's expulsion from the Alliance. It is our belief that no 3 people should have the right or power to expel three long standing corporations of the Alliance. Most especially 3 people should never have the authority to place all the members from those corporations as KOS. Last weeks incident was blatantly wrong and an abuse of power. It is also our opinion that those same three people believe that the Council is to be used as a matter of convenience and in fact has no real authority or power in governing C.A. Infinitus Odium will not condone nor be a part of an organization that abuses it's members in such a way. That being said it is with a heavy heart and deep regret that we must leave our friends and all the outstanding member corporations of Curse Alliance. It was truly a pleasure to operate alongside the likes of Black Widows, Spectre Knights, GREED, and AOI, to name but a few. Respectfully, Swanger, Co-Ceo Infinitus Odium The heads of CA sit and urinate and moan about the crew in the great wildlands not activly joining in any ops. So finally 3 corps get together and say, we're sick of this *** lets just join up and stake our claim in the great wildlands for the sole reason to not be female dogged at for hardly ever taking a force to stain or wherever. Word of the recordings get out, snitches lose respect, the higher ups in CA make a snap decision and expel the corps that conspired to be left alone. Now CA shouldv'e sat back and thought to themselves WHY and realized that they were only frustrated with the CA because they thought they were doing their part for CA by defending the Great wildlands a CA claimed region. CA shouldv'e realized that all they really had to do was stop riding the great wildland residents asess about being in the Great Wildlands 100% of the time. The logical decision would then be to sit back and let the corps in the Great Wildlands do whatever the hell they wanted in Great Wildlands because at least they provide a service to the CA by keepin the great wildlands and one of the few routes back to empire relativly safe to travel. That was not even thought of, and now the Wildlands are empty except for Foyles alt that sits in e02 to report to herself who is being a carebear in E02 and not activly attacking, yes attacking and not defending the enemy cause apparantly that's all that matters. And the only reason I post here is because I've been in CA for like a god damn month and I don't even have access to teh CA forums, probably because I spent most of my time in the great wildlands. It's bull and I don't even care if I endanger my standing in CA anymore cause all I do is sit at work all day getting more and more p1ssed off every minute. Well at least there are no more corps that mine and refine in e02 anymore and thus circumventing the taxes. That's another thing I'm ed about, wtf are taxes for anyway, I've been in gangs and lost ships and have had the gang leaders ask what ships were lost and I've said vexor or something, I haven't had a better ship in battle yet, except when I lost a scorp the first day I was in CA, anyway I don't see for reiembursement or what the **. and I don't have a god damn clue after about one month of being ca. I think it's time to train a couple level 5's and take some time off.
Siobhan Ni	Posted - 2004.09.23 20:59:00 - [305] Originally by: Dirtball The heads of CA sit and urinate and moan about the crew in the great wildlands not activly joining in any ops. So finally 3 corps get together and say, we're sick of this *** lets just join up and stake our claim in the great wildlands for the sole reason to not be female dogged at for hardly ever taking a force to stain or wherever. Word of the recordings get out, snitches lose respect, the higher ups in CA make a snap decision and expel the corps that conspired to be left alone. Now CA shouldv'e sat back and thought to themselves WHY and realized that they were only frustrated with the CA because they thought they were doing their part for CA by defending the Great wildlands a CA claimed region. CA shouldv'e realized that all they really had to do was stop riding the great wildland residents asess about being in the Great Wildlands 100% of the time. The logical decision would then be to sit back and let the corps in the Great Wildlands do whatever the hell they wanted in Great Wildlands because at least they provide a service to the CA by keepin the great wildlands and one of the few routes back to empire relativly safe to travel. That was not even thought of, and now the Wildlands are empty except for Foyles alt that sits in e02 to report to herself who is being a carebear in E02 and not activly attacking, yes attacking and not defending the enemy cause apparantly that's all that matters. And the only reason I post here is because I've been in CA for like a god damn month and I don't even have access to teh CA forums, probably because I spent most of my time in the great wildlands. It's bull and I don't even care if I endanger my standing in CA anymore cause all I do is sit at work all day getting more and more p1ssed off every minute. Well at least there are no more corps that mine and refine in e02 anymore and thus circumventing the taxes. That's another thing I'm ed about, wtf are taxes for anyway, I've been in gangs and lost ships and have had the gang leaders ask what ships were lost and I've said vexor or something, I haven't had a better ship in battle yet, except when I lost a scorp the first day I was in CA, anyway I don't see for reiembursement or what the **. and I don't have a god damn clue after about one month of being ca. I think it's time to train a couple level 5's and take some time off. I think you hit the nail on the head. Last weekend Foyles alt sat the E02 station watching who was coming and going, while her PA goons sat outside with the orders to attack CA members.
Siobhan Ni	Posted - 2004.09.23 20:59:00 - [306] Originally by: Dirtball The heads of CA sit and urinate and moan about the crew in the great wildlands not activly joining in any ops. So finally 3 corps get together and say, we're sick of this *** lets just join up and stake our claim in the great wildlands for the sole reason to not be female dogged at for hardly ever taking a force to stain or wherever. Word of the recordings get out, snitches lose respect, the higher ups in CA make a snap decision and expel the corps that conspired to be left alone. Now CA shouldv'e sat back and thought to themselves WHY and realized that they were only frustrated with the CA because they thought they were doing their part for CA by defending the Great wildlands a CA claimed region. CA shouldv'e realized that all they really had to do was stop riding the great wildland residents asess about being in the Great Wildlands 100% of the time. The logical decision would then be to sit back and let the corps in the Great Wildlands do whatever the hell they wanted in Great Wildlands because at least they provide a service to the CA by keepin the great wildlands and one of the few routes back to empire relativly safe to travel. That was not even thought of, and now the Wildlands are empty except for Foyles alt that sits in e02 to report to herself who is being a carebear in E02 and not activly attacking, yes attacking and not defending the enemy cause apparantly that's all that matters. And the only reason I post here is because I've been in CA for like a god damn month and I don't even have access to teh CA forums, probably because I spent most of my time in the great wildlands. It's bull and I don't even care if I endanger my standing in CA anymore cause all I do is sit at work all day getting more and more p1ssed off every minute. Well at least there are no more corps that mine and refine in e02 anymore and thus circumventing the taxes. That's another thing I'm ed about, wtf are taxes for anyway, I've been in gangs and lost ships and have had the gang leaders ask what ships were lost and I've said vexor or something, I haven't had a better ship in battle yet, except when I lost a scorp the first day I was in CA, anyway I don't see for reiembursement or what the **. and I don't have a god damn clue after about one month of being ca. I think it's time to train a couple level 5's and take some time off. I think you hit the nail on the head. Last weekend Foyles alt sat the E02 station watching who was coming and going, while her PA goons sat outside with the orders to attack CA members.
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.23 21:07:00 - [307] Originally by: Propehcy Originally by: olyyy Originally by: EternalDark "while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies." Interesting although not historically factual. I agree. i would rather say "while the people in Curse try and hold off constant attacks from enemies because they were stupid enough to betray their friends." The funny thing is that in the Xetic-IF, nobody believed to the reports indicating CA was preparing something. We all thought until the end that our friends (the relationship with CA being -honest- extremly good) would never try anything against us. The funny thing is the origin of the war is... Omega Corp. An Omega Corp pilot refusing several times to head back. Since C4 wanted this war (according to Duke himself who wanted to expand), I guess Omega Corp planned all this. Duke keeps lying. Did I heard about the mobilization of CA forces recently to stop an invasion from SA, FA and XF (supposed to happened according to CA's intel and which never in fact existed) ? Olyyy, stfu, that horse has been beaten into the ground so hard, you could use the bones as a narcotic. Don't bring that DEAD topic up, AGAIN, when this is totally unrelated to the war CA and XETIC had with each other. There's no conspiracy theory here, just a paranoid XETIC Grunt that's been beaten through a wall a few too many times. -Chancellor Prophecy In two points my dear: -first I never pretended there was any conspiracy, it's just your officer that informed us of C4's intentions in the past when he came to negociate a NAP with us. -Second I'm not bringing a dead topic for the fun of it. I'm just demonstrating that CA is led by liars. Those liers need to invent proofs to justify their actions. so basicly... stfu and have a cookie mmkay ? :) Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
olyyy	Posted - 2004.09.23 21:07:00 - [308] Originally by: Propehcy Originally by: olyyy Originally by: EternalDark "while the ppl in Curse try and hold off constant accacks from enemies beacause they were too stupid to make friends instead of enemies." Interesting although not historically factual. I agree. i would rather say "while the people in Curse try and hold off constant attacks from enemies because they were stupid enough to betray their friends." The funny thing is that in the Xetic-IF, nobody believed to the reports indicating CA was preparing something. We all thought until the end that our friends (the relationship with CA being -honest- extremly good) would never try anything against us. The funny thing is the origin of the war is... Omega Corp. An Omega Corp pilot refusing several times to head back. Since C4 wanted this war (according to Duke himself who wanted to expand), I guess Omega Corp planned all this. Duke keeps lying. Did I heard about the mobilization of CA forces recently to stop an invasion from SA, FA and XF (supposed to happened according to CA's intel and which never in fact existed) ? Olyyy, stfu, that horse has been beaten into the ground so hard, you could use the bones as a narcotic. Don't bring that DEAD topic up, AGAIN, when this is totally unrelated to the war CA and XETIC had with each other. There's no conspiracy theory here, just a paranoid XETIC Grunt that's been beaten through a wall a few too many times. -Chancellor Prophecy In two points my dear: -first I never pretended there was any conspiracy, it's just your officer that informed us of C4's intentions in the past when he came to negociate a NAP with us. -Second I'm not bringing a dead topic for the fun of it. I'm just demonstrating that CA is led by liars. Those liers need to invent proofs to justify their actions. so basicly... stfu and have a cookie mmkay ? :) Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
M1rage	Posted - 2004.09.23 21:46:00 - [309] Originally by: Propehcy Olyyy, stfu, ... totally unrelated to the war CA and XETIC had with each other. -Chancellor Prophecy Originally by: Propehcy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member
M1rage	Posted - 2004.09.23 21:46:00 - [310] Originally by: Propehcy Olyyy, stfu, ... totally unrelated to the war CA and XETIC had with each other. -Chancellor Prophecy Originally by: Propehcy Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.09.25 12:23:00 - [311] What a ****load of dirty laundry. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.09.25 12:23:00 - [312] What a ****load of dirty laundry. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.09.25 13:01:00 - [313] what stinky pete said about the bastard stepchild of ca was bang on the head of the nail. Ive always seen the CA that occupied the GW's as weak individuals and gutless corps. They joined CA and based there operations out of GW and never really went to curse. Yea its ok to man a outpost, but to get 0.0 access by joining a superpower then not doing anything and getting rich off the back of it is just sanfransisco. there was enough corps in the GW's who could have banded together to form a informal alliance and watch each others backs and still got rich off the back of it... frankly if i were in charge of the allaince i would have kicked all the lazy half assed corps a long long time ago. "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.09.25 13:01:00 - [314] what stinky pete said about the bastard stepchild of ca was bang on the head of the nail. Ive always seen the CA that occupied the GW's as weak individuals and gutless corps. They joined CA and based there operations out of GW and never really went to curse. Yea its ok to man a outpost, but to get 0.0 access by joining a superpower then not doing anything and getting rich off the back of it is just sanfransisco. there was enough corps in the GW's who could have banded together to form a informal alliance and watch each others backs and still got rich off the back of it... frankly if i were in charge of the allaince i would have kicked all the lazy half assed corps a long long time ago. "Teh lord of Nonni"
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.09.25 18:21:00 - [315] I totally agree. CA is right on this one. You can't be in a military alliance if you aren't military. It sounds like a crap corp is butthurt because they're going to take a hit in 3b4y sales until they find another alliance to leech off of. CA needs to get rid of all of these people. CA has a lot of corps but I only know of maybe 10-15 because they are the only ones that matter. You other corps should listen to the good corps in CA or go back to Empire. Also CA shouldn't air out its laundry on the forums like this. It looks bad in general. Duke, you should have just said, "ok, cya later." The good players would know the truth about these fat, useless miners just by common sense, you have no need to deffend yourself or CA. CA is my sworn enemy and even I can see the truth here. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.09.25 18:21:00 - [316] I totally agree. CA is right on this one. You can't be in a military alliance if you aren't military. It sounds like a crap corp is butthurt because they're going to take a hit in 3b4y sales until they find another alliance to leech off of. CA needs to get rid of all of these people. CA has a lot of corps but I only know of maybe 10-15 because they are the only ones that matter. You other corps should listen to the good corps in CA or go back to Empire. Also CA shouldn't air out its laundry on the forums like this. It looks bad in general. Duke, you should have just said, "ok, cya later." The good players would know the truth about these fat, useless miners just by common sense, you have no need to deffend yourself or CA. CA is my sworn enemy and even I can see the truth here. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.09.25 22:45:00 - [317] Originally by: Alowishus I totally agree. CA is right on this one. You can't be in a military alliance if you aren't military. It sounds like a crap corp is butthurt because they're going to take a hit in 3b4y sales until they find another alliance to leech off of. CA needs to get rid of all of these people. CA has a lot of corps but I only know of maybe 10-15 because they are the only ones that matter. You other corps should listen to the good corps in CA or go back to Empire. Also CA shouldn't air out its laundry on the forums like this. It looks bad in general. Duke, you should have just said, "ok, cya later." The good players would know the truth about these fat, useless miners just by common sense, you have no need to deffend yourself or CA. CA is my sworn enemy and even I can see the truth here. I'm starting to like you... Prob because to me your one of the few people whose posts are unbiased even though you are the "enemy" and you tell em how you see em. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
CKOZUK	Posted - 2004.09.25 22:45:00 - [318] Originally by: Alowishus I totally agree. CA is right on this one. You can't be in a military alliance if you aren't military. It sounds like a crap corp is butthurt because they're going to take a hit in 3b4y sales until they find another alliance to leech off of. CA needs to get rid of all of these people. CA has a lot of corps but I only know of maybe 10-15 because they are the only ones that matter. You other corps should listen to the good corps in CA or go back to Empire. Also CA shouldn't air out its laundry on the forums like this. It looks bad in general. Duke, you should have just said, "ok, cya later." The good players would know the truth about these fat, useless miners just by common sense, you have no need to deffend yourself or CA. CA is my sworn enemy and even I can see the truth here. I'm starting to like you... Prob because to me your one of the few people whose posts are unbiased even though you are the "enemy" and you tell em how you see em. The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.

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