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reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: reads41 on 26/06/2009 19:23:04 I don't know the situation in CCP HQ but you should have a good reason for what happened to the previous MJ thread, if your comfortable with child molestation then say so, but when people express an opinion based on fact and not ****y emotion over a paedophiles demise you best have a good reason, this is dangerous ground your treading on, be neutral or gtfo. This is an awkward situation, you can embrace all opinions or none.
Make up your mind. |
Luna Sistere
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: reads41
This |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:31:00 -
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Kill the topic stone dead or allow all opinions, its not like it's fermat's last equation, kill the topic altogether but dont show bias. |
Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:34:00 -
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I heard the thread was to young and they just couldn't keep it up long enough to make it worthwhile.
Then it died of a heart attack. |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:36:00 -
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I think they're cowards kill all MJ threads or settle for the fact opinion is divided, so what is the CCP view on it? |
Munchees
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:38:00 -
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He was never convicted. Do you know how easy it is to get someone in trouble in the US for child molestation whether they did it or not? VERY EASY!
Before I was a teenager I could have, if I was a horrible person, called the police, and lied and say my parents have been molesting me. I could put on a huge show. People would be so disgusted that they wouldn't want to hear what my parents have to say. |
Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:39:00 -
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Most important fact? Innocent until proven guilty! wasn't found guilty therefore end of story. |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees He was never convicted. Do you know how easy it is to get someone in trouble in the US for child molestation whether they did it or not? VERY EASY!
Before I was a teenager I could have, if I was a horrible person, called the police, and lied and say my parents have been molesting me. I could put on a huge show. People would be so disgusted that they wouldn't want to hear what my parents have to say.
Spare me your bull****, I'm not talking about your wishful thinking I'm talking about plain facts than can be backed up by the Los Angeles county court and a change of the law that came about because of the 1993 Jackson case. |
Munchees
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Munchees on 26/06/2009 19:43:00
Originally by: reads41
Spare me your bull****, I'm not talking about your wishful thinking I'm talking about plain facts than can be backed up by the Los Angeles county court and a change of the law that came about because of the 1993 Jackson case.
The LA court found him not guilty .
Can CCP close this topic and ban this idiot? |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Megadeath Most important fact? Innocent until proven guilty! wasn't found guilty therefore end of story.
Which case are you talking about the 1993 case or the 2003 case?????
Check the facts they are there for all to see.
Make sure you understand the results of the 1993 case and what the changes to law meant.
Be happy celebrating MJ's music. and ignoring his sexual deviancy.
I cant believe what CCP did to the previous thread.
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reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees Edited by: Munchees on 26/06/2009 19:43:00
Originally by: reads41
Spare me your bull****, I'm not talking about your wishful thinking I'm talking about plain facts than can be backed up by the Los Angeles county court and a change of the law that came about because of the 1993 Jackson case.
The LA court found him not guilty .
Can CCP close this topic and ban this idiot?
The first case never went to court, the 2003 court was a travesty, but he escaped the hang mans noose in 1993. |
Luna Sistere
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:47:00 -
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yepper, gonna be the same thing that is gonna happen to this thread. How many accounts to you plan to have banned today anyways? |
Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:47:00 -
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you don't pay millions and millions of dollars to the families of those children because you are innocent. Like OJ simpson, kobe bryant, r kelly.
If you can pay your way out of anything in the land of the free. |
Munchees
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Munchees on 26/06/2009 19:51:10
Originally by: reads41
The first case never went to court, the 2003 court was a travesty, but he escaped the hang mans noose in 1993.
Yeah now that I actually did reading up on it...IT TURNS OUT THEY CLOSED THE FIRST CASE DUE TO LACK OF EVIDENCE!
The 2003 case was a circus sideshow, and they didn't find him guilty then either.
Yeah MJ was a crazy and probably the creepiest guy...but he didn't molest children. He was a child at heart because his childhood was ruined by his parents parading his talents around.
He spent most of his adult life trying to relive his childhood. |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees Edited by: Munchees on 26/06/2009 19:43:00
Originally by: reads41
Spare me your bull****, I'm not talking about your wishful thinking I'm talking about plain facts than can be backed up by the Los Angeles county court and a change of the law that came about because of the 1993 Jackson case.
The LA court found him not guilty .
Can CCP close this topic and ban this idiot?
It will make you happy to know I've been banned in the previous thread, which has been decimated of fair opinion and discussion.
You people keep enjoying MJ's contribution to music and ignoring his molestation of minors, I have faults as have all people but at least there simple and I can live with them.
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reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees Edited by: Munchees on 26/06/2009 19:51:10
Originally by: reads41
The first case never went to court, the 2003 court was a travesty, but he escaped the hang mans noose in 1993.
Yeah now that I actually did reading up on it...IT TURNS OUT THEY CLOSED THE FIRST CASE DUE TO LACK OF EVIDENCE!
The 2003 case was a circus sideshow, and they didn't find him guilty then either.
Yeah MJ was a crazy and probably the creepiest guy...but he didn't molest children. He was a child at heart because his childhood was ruined by his parents parading his talents around.
He spent most of his adult life trying to relive his childhood.
You f**king idiot, the first case wasn't closed it was settled out of court for an undisclosed fee. The evidence was overwhelming but at the time if a civil case was settled out of court then a criminal wasn't going to happen.
They changed the law after the Chandler case to make sure you couldnt buy a result.
THIS FACT, CHECK IT FOR YOUR SELF.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: reads41
THIS FACT, CHECK IT FOR YOUR SELF.
What facts?
The fact that Evan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, "If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over"? The fact that when this so called abuse was supposed to have happened, instead of going to the authorities he engaged in unsuccessful negotiations to resolve the issue in a financial settlement; the negotiations were initiated by Chandler. The fact that the official investigation began, with Jordan Chandler's mother adamant that there was no wrongdoing on Jackson's part.
The fact Jackson began taking painkillers, Valium, Xanax and Ativan to deal with the stress of the allegations made against him. By the fall of 1993, Jackson was addicted to the drugs? The fact the stress of the allegations also caused Jackson to stop eating, losing a significant amount of weight. The fact that with his health in decline, Jackson's friends and legal advisers took over his defense and finances; they called on him to settle the allegations out of court, believing that he could not endure a lengthy trial?
The fact After the settlement Jordan Chandler refused to continue with Police criminal proceedings. Jackson was never charged, and the state closed its criminal investigation, citing lack of evidence?
What? Those facts?
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
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Joshamee Gibbs
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:09:00 -
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stop this fail/rage/whatever, there's a time and a place for this discussion, and this is neither. |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: reads41 on 26/06/2009 20:13:53
Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Originally by: reads41
THIS FACT, CHECK IT FOR YOUR SELF.
What facts?
The fact that Evan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, "If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over"? The fact that when this so called abuse was supposed to have happened, instead of going to the authorities he engaged in unsuccessful negotiations to resolve the issue in a financial settlement; the negotiations were initiated by Chandler. The fact that the official investigation began, with Jordan Chandler's mother adamant that there was no wrongdoing on Jackson's part.
The fact Jackson began taking painkillers, Valium, Xanax and Ativan to deal with the stress of the allegations made against him. By the fall of 1993, Jackson was addicted to the drugs? The fact the stress of the allegations also caused Jackson to stop eating, losing a significant amount of weight. The fact that with his health in decline, Jackson's friends and legal advisers took over his defense and finances; they called on him to settle the allegations out of court, believing that he could not endure a lengthy trial?
The fact After the settlement Jordan Chandler refused to continue with Police criminal proceedings. Jackson was never charged, and the state closed its criminal investigation, citing lack of evidence?
What? Those facts?
The facts of the case are there for people to look at, your implications are simply that, the actual facts are there to be read. The crux of the matter is Jacksons suggestion for a sexual relationship and Chandler's description of his genitals, don't read the press look at the public records, that is the single most important factor. The timing of the statements also makes a difference, I have no doubt that the parents of Jordy Chandler are no better than jackson, but that doesn't forgive his actions.
once again i'm telling you to look at the public records and the time line of events, not the sensationalist tabloid press and their goals. |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: reads41 on 26/06/2009 20:12:11
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Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bestofworst on 26/06/2009 20:25:48 Edit: Excuse the bad example. ---- My Music |
Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:23:00 -
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10 million out of court settlement says your guilty!
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reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Do you hate Queen to because Freddy Mercury was gay?
No I don't and why should I, it's not like he had a taste for children. if consenting adults of the same sex want to have a relationship then fair play, I do have an issue of grown men and women wanting to have sex with minors, nice try at derailing my argument.
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Arvald
Caldari The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 26/06/2009 20:33:54 Hi my name is Arvald, and this thread gets my official "op is a ****ing moron" seal. thank you for your time |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 26/06/2009 20:33:54 Hi my name is Arvald, and this thread gets my official "op is a ****ing moron" seal. thank you for your time
Thank you for your input, are you also comfortable with the molestation of children?
My point was a simple one, the previous MJ thread was cleared of all defamatory comments regarding him and his tastes.
My point is simple can we express our opinions or do we hold to the popular thought.
I am and never have been a herd animal. |
Arvald
Caldari The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: reads41
Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 26/06/2009 20:33:54 Hi my name is Arvald, and this thread gets my official "op is a ****ing moron" seal. thank you for your time
Thank you for your input, are you also comfortable with the molestation of children?
My point was a simple one, the previous MJ thread was cleared of all defamatory comments regarding him and his tastes.
My point is simple can we express our opinions or do we hold to the popular thought.
I am and never have been a herd animal.
no im not comfortable with it, neither am i comfortable with idiots like yourself discussing topics which obviously should not be discussed here |
Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: reads41
Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 26/06/2009 20:33:54 Hi my name is Arvald, and this thread gets my official "op is a ****ing moron" seal. thank you for your time
Thank you for your input, are you also comfortable with the molestation of children?
My point was a simple one, the previous MJ thread was cleared of all defamatory comments regarding him and his tastes.
My point is simple can we express our opinions or do we hold to the popular thought.
I am and never have been a herd animal.
If you had a family member that was in the same situation as MJ, and he died, would you care? |
reads41
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:02:00 -
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If by that you mean a child molester, then no not in the slightest, you seem to think a barb in the heart close to home will twist perspective. |
Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: reads41 If by that you mean a child molester, then no not in the slightest, you seem to think a barb in the heart close to home will twist perspective.
I give up on you. |
Arvald
Caldari The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: reads41 If by that you mean a child molester, then no not in the slightest, you seem to think a barb in the heart close to home will twist perspective.
...im with the above poster on this, im calling troll at this point |
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