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Ulric Denrai
Amarr Eternal Guardians Corp. Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:14:00 -
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Heads down make ships doomsday fitted :P
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Cpt Constantinus
Celestial Janissaries
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:43:00 -
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Doomsday devices dont work in lowsec areas. :)
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Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.06.27 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Asse on 27/06/2009 14:27:53 Wow - how the mighty have fallen.
Being the founding member of the most successfull alliance eve has ever seen . . . . . Getting screwed over by Goons . . . . Failing to take anything back from them . . . Joining the empires training grounds for noob pilots and carebears to have a peek at pvp . . Picking to fight the by far smallest militia by joining the second biggest . Rock bottom
Those guys must be really desperate for a victory - but yeah - understandable they want to play it safe - with them joining, the combined RKK/Minmatar forces outnumber the allrady heavily outnumbered 2600 Amarr pvp beginners by a thousand - hope that is enough.
Good plan, really.
Well - at least they have the guts to drop their alliance and join for real - unlike SF that wardec 2-3 small noob corps at a time so they can't be shot by the main bulk of the Amarr.
I actually had lots of respect for BoB and its member corps, but now, if it wasn't for SF, I'd call RKK the lowest of the low New Eden hast to offer, but they're a close runner up...
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.06.27 15:02:00 -
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maybe they joined minmatar to fight the caldari
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.27 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Asse Edited by: Grim Asse on 27/06/2009 14:27:53 Wow - how the mighty have fallen.
Being the founding member of the most successfull alliance eve has ever seen . . . . . Getting screwed over by Goons . . . . Failing to take anything back from them . . . Joining the empires training grounds for noob pilots and carebears to have a peek at pvp . . Picking to fight the by far smallest militia by joining the second biggest . Rock bottom
Those guys must be really desperate for a victory - but yeah - understandable they want to play it safe - with them joining, the combined RKK/Minmatar forces outnumber the allrady heavily outnumbered 2600 Amarr pvp beginners by a thousand - hope that is enough.
Good plan, really.
Well - at least they have the guts to drop their alliance and join for real - unlike SF that wardec 2-3 small noob corps at a time so they can't be shot by the main bulk of the Amarr.
I actually had lots of respect for BoB and its member corps, but now, if it wasn't for SF, I'd call RKK the lowest of the low New Eden hast to offer, but they're a close runner up...
Now hurry to grind your Minmatar standings
You really are a worthless dog. As if anyone truly believes that faction warfare is for "beginners"
The average faction warfare veteran is streets ahead of the average 0.0 player in pilot skill, tactical knowledge and small gang smarts.
As for crying about the Star Fraction. War dec yourself or join a corp we've wardecced. Do something about it rather than whining and complaining behind an anonymous posting patsy.
Still nice to know we are making you hurt.
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Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Asse on 27/06/2009 17:00:51
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You really are a worthless dog. As if anyone truly believes that faction warfare is for "beginners"
The average faction warfare veteran is streets ahead of the average 0.0 player in pilot skill, tactical knowledge and small gang smarts.
The average "veteran" - well - and how many veterans are there? A handfull...
And actually, it is for beginners - just because you fail at making any significant impact doesn't make them good - you failed in 0.0, you fail in trying to interfere with FW. It only shows one thing: The average SF pilot is worse than the average beginner.
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As for crying about the Star Fraction. War dec yourself or join a corp we've wardecced. Do something about it rather than whining and complaining behind an anonymous posting patsy.
Still nice to know we are making you hurt.
I was expressing my disdain for SF - and I'd never join any of the nublet corps you tend to wardec, nor do I give a rats arse about them. Your tactics are pretty obvious: you wardec a corp, then check if they're even worse than you at pvp and if they're not, you "rotate" the wardec.
How long did that Helljumpers wardec last again? A week? Didn't work out quite as good, did it, eh?
You're pathetic - like a fat little kid that tries to bully around even weaker fat little kids and as soon as one of them shows the ability to strike back, you run...
Much like what RKK is trying to do...
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Cwn Annwn Clan
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Asse
Picking to fight the by far smallest militia by joining the second biggest
Your stats are a little outdated. |
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.06.27 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine The average faction warfare veteran is streets ahead of the average 0.0 player in pilot skill, tactical knowledge and small gang smarts.
Apples and avacados.
The priorities that drive 0.0 alliances is almost 180 off axis with the average lowsec bottomfeeder or faction warfare pilot.
That said, the mechanics at the roaming gang level aren't that different. Contrary to your rectally inserted point of view on us, we do a LOT more than blob capitals and spam towers.
When it comes to system control, faction warfare has replaced tower spam with glorified plex running. We do the same thing in our free time, for far less meta reasons than someone else's glory. |
Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.06.27 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Asse on 27/06/2009 19:54:11
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Originally by: Grim Asse
Picking to fight the by far smallest militia by joining the second biggest
Your stats are a little outdated.
nope
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.27 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Jade Constantine
When it comes to system control, faction warfare has replaced tower spam with glorified plex running. We do the same thing in our free time, for far less meta reasons than someone else's glory.
Not many in FW really care about plexes. So it hasn't really replaced anything to anyone, other than the PVE types. We don't have to do plexes because system sov doesn't mean anything. Ask the Caldari, al they got was a cheesy medal
The last few days, I've been using plexes to get fights in. It's a nice little game mechanic to limit the types of ships you will have to fight. That and it's a bit harder to get ganked when you are solo, because you can see the blob coming in local and on scan.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.06.27 20:03:00 -
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There are more practical reasons this is far fetched. The corporation's Minmatar Republic standing is something like 0.04. If I remember correctly isn't the requirement at least 0.5? May make joining the Republic, Federation, or even Empire difficult. So it may be a while until this can happen anyways.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.06.27 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Your stats are a little outdated.
Numbers are pretty much dead on, a 20% difference in enrolled pilots with the Matari currently being second only to Caldari and Amarr taking up the rear.
Originally by: Janu Hull Apples and avacados.
The priorities that drive 0.0 alliances is almost 180 off axis with the average lowsec bottomfeeder or faction warfare pilot.
That said, the mechanics at the roaming gang level aren't that different. Contrary to your rectally inserted point of view on us, we do a LOT more than blob capitals and spam towers.
A sufficiently accurate description in a big picture fashion. The kicker in FW, the one that gets numerous 0.0 holiday goers killed, is the size restrictions and navy spawns on/in the complexes. The lowsec wars, much like 0.0 war, requires an acquired frame of mind. Wartargets are easy enough, but over half the pilots you meet are unaffiliated and can be legitmate travellers or they can pirates .. makes for a special "feel" to the whole thing.
As for RKK joining the insurgents. Not sure if they are aware of the mental anguish they will have to go through to grind 0.46 standings for a 400 man corporation ...
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.27 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 27/06/2009 21:13:36 A few other things to think about.
1) Stats wise Minmatar are the 2nd largest this is true. Amarr might be smaller in numbers but their fleets always out number Minmatar during the UK time zones. Add to this fact that many Caldri have been showing up with the Amarr lately.
2) If they joined Gallente, they could still fight Amarr or Caldari just as they can by joining the Minmatar. If they Joined Amarr that might make the 3 non Caldari factions about equal in size, but Caldri would still have 2k more than anyone.
In the end it doesn't matter which side they join, my guess is it's a standings issue and Minmatar is the easiest to get for them. Even though I'm in Minmatar, I don't really see the added bonus of a instant 500 new pilots as a good thing.
FW is already suffering from lag and blob issues and more will make it worse. My guess is they will get bored of the lag issues and likely do most of their playing out in null sec with SF and UK guys.
On the flip side, it will be interesting to see what they can do.
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.27 21:20:00 -
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If some of the people in this thread did the tinyest bit of research it would make more sense.
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Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.06.27 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 27/06/2009 21:13:36 A few other things to think about.
1) Stats wise Minmatar are the 2nd largest this is true. Amarr might be smaller in numbers but their fleets always out number Minmatar during the UK time zones. Add to this fact that many Caldri have been showing up with the Amarr lately.
2) If they joined Gallente, they could still fight Amarr or Caldari just as they can by joining the Minmatar. If they Joined Amarr that might make the 3 non Caldari factions about equal in size, but Caldri would still have 2k more than anyone.
In the end it doesn't matter which side they join, my guess is it's a standings issue and Minmatar is the easiest to get for them. Even though I'm in Minmatar, I don't really see the added bonus of a instant 500 new pilots as a good thing.
FW is already suffering from lag and blob issues and more will make it worse. My guess is they will get bored of the lag issues and likely do most of their playing out in null sec with SF and UK guys.
On the flip side, it will be interesting to see what they can do.
No - actually they have the standings to join the Caldari instantaneously and have way better Amarr standings than Minmatar...
I's just that they want to play it safe, obviosuly - considering there's roughly 120-200 Amarr online at peak times with half of them afk, they *might* stand a chance against that disorganized rabble of pvp tryouts...
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Asse
No - actually they have the standings to join the Caldari instantaneously and have way better Amarr standings than Minmatar...
I's just that they want to play it safe, obviosuly - considering there's roughly 120-200 Amarr online at peak times with half of them afk, they *might* stand a chance against that disorganized rabble of pvp tryouts...
If you had done any research at all into the people you are talking about you would have found they are long standing friends of, amongst others, Ushra'Khan and as such the choice of which side to choose if they do decide to get involved it is pretty obvious which side of the conflict they would chose.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 27/06/2009 22:11:52
Originally by: Grim Asse
No - actually they have the standings to join the Caldari instantaneously and have way better Amarr standings than Minmatar...
I's just that they want to play it safe, obviosuly - considering there's roughly 120-200 Amarr online at peak times with half of them afk, they *might* stand a chance against that disorganized rabble of pvp tryouts...
Well Minmatar have 169 on at this moment and that's pretty close to peak for us as well. I dunno where the other 500 or so are that we have over you. Maybe it's just all those Amarr spies you guys have in our militia.
While we may show more on "paper" as they say, you guys routinely out number us in your fleets during the US day UK prime. I mean honestly you guys should be happy because maybe finally us Minmatar will fight back in that TZ and give your blobs something to shoot at.
If it's not a standings issue, it's likely the other point I made.. I believe they are friendly to UK or SF. Which likely helped lead them toward this side.
I don't think it matters anyway, because they will quickly find out that 30 man gangs are pretty much the limit and even then the lag can be really bad. Im' sure they aren't going to go around stealing all your plexes either. However maybe that's what we need to get a little love for FW is for them to join it.
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Marus Sulla
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.27 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mitch Taylor If some of the people in this thread did the tinyest bit of research it would make more sense.
^^ and here I was hoping we could get RKK into U'K .... Good luck lads and have a blast. |
Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Cwn Annwn Clan
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Posted - 2009.06.28 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Asse Edited by: Grim Asse on 27/06/2009 19:54:11
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Originally by: Grim Asse
Picking to fight the by far smallest militia by joining the second biggest
Your stats are a little outdated.
nope
Um, yep.
Now to be fair(and prove myself both right and wrong at the same time) by definition, all stats are outdated. They are a a snap-shot in time. Some stats hold true longer than others.
As of(by my count) 5 hours ago, according to your source, the Caldari are down 7 on their rosters, Minmatar are down 4, Gallente are up 5 and the Amarr...well the Amarr are up twenty-three. More than 3 times the amount Caldari lost, almost 6 times the amount Minmatar lost, and almost five times the amount the Gallente gained. That was five hours ago. It takes 24 hours before you can officially fight on the Militia's behalf. Numbers and stats can tell a story, but not by themselves.
I'm just saying...if the Amarrian Militia gained almost SIX times the amount of pilots the Minmatar lost, they won't be 'by far the smallest' militia for long now will they? Not fair to project? It seemed to be the tone of this thread. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.06.28 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Um, yep.
Now to be fair(and prove myself both right and wrong at the same time) by definition, all stats are outdated. They are a a snap-shot in time. Some stats hold true longer than others. ....... I'm just saying...if the Amarrian Militia gained almost SIX times the amount of pilots the Minmatar lost, they won't be 'by far the smallest' militia for long now will they? Not fair to project? It seemed to be the tone of this thread.
Talk about snap-shots! The difference in pilots between Amarr and Minmatar have been pretty static for the entire war (after the new smell wore off militia life). There are daily/weekly fluctuations as individuals and corporations come and go, but the totals have always been 5-600 apart.
I wish Dianabolic and his companions well as they set about the task of gaining 0.46 faction standing for their 400 man corporation .. not an easy task, I shall expect them on the front in six months time or so. |
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coeathal vega
Gallente Reikoku
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:22:00 -
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irrelevant, beaten, insignificant, yet still you post.
win. ----
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: coeathal vega irrelevant, beaten, insignificant, yet still you post.
Welcome to the club ---
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Jaina Proudmoar
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Posted - 2009.06.28 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: coeathal vega irrelevant, beaten, insignificant, yet still you post.
Sounds like a good description of Reikoku. |
Svenjabi Xiang
Reikoku
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Posted - 2009.06.28 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar
Originally by: coeathal vega irrelevant, beaten, insignificant, yet still you post.
Sounds like a good description of Reikoku.
Relevance, in space, is perhaps best left to those for whom space combat is more than an academic excercise.
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Moonshadoe
Caldari Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.06.29 12:55:00 -
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lol... much amusement here.
I was actually rooting for BoB to retake Querious and Delve... assumed it would take them a few months but oh well. I'm ex Slacker Industries and most of my older EVE buddies are too that fight for Amarr.
I do foresee that with corp the size (and age of pilots) of RKK joining there will be utter raping of my faction, the Amarr. :( For a while at least... then you won't see many blinkies around because we will be tired of being out blobbed 99% of the time. Again, not complaining, but it seems a bit inevitable with the number of pilots we are talking about.
Anyway, will be interesting O_o If nothing else and you get bored you can always kill the many blinky pirates around... that's what we do =P
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.29 13:12:00 -
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I wish RKK and the TLF every success in the cause.
I wish the 24th crusade a burning and painful end to their imperial ambition. |
Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:13:00 -
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Well most likely RKK will leave FW soon anyway.
You dont need to be rocket scientist to know why RKK is joining minnies. But they should do some research on their own before they make the decision.
1. They are too huge for FW lowsec area. The node will not handle their size of fleets. Immmidiately most of the parties will lag out and desync in most horrible way. This happens from 15vs15 and bigger. So they will not be able to do any corp fleets with cap support.
2. The lack of targets. They can field more people and more capitals then any other minnie corp. They would outnumber any amarr miltia fleet. So somehow i dont see that happening that miltia woul suicide fleets into them where most likely all would be killed + lag out and desynced.
They can solo the amarr corps with a good chance of success but still it will be too low ammount for their corp needs. They are pvp corp so they need to actively pvp or people get bored. Also if they find enough targets people in minmatar miltia will not get any. So its like a huge fish who eats all the small fishes around and swims in empty pool.
So somehow i dont see that happening that small pirates would fight them at all and if they engage a 30 member miltia fleet and destroy it the whole day they will be without targets. And in US zone completly without targets as amarr miltia has peeks in EU zone not US zone.
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Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Asse on 30/06/2009 16:11:20
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
2. The lack of targets. They can field more people and more capitals then any other minnie corp. They would outnumber any amarr miltia fleet. So somehow i dont see that happening that miltia woul suicide fleets into them where most likely all would be killed + lag out and desynced.
They can solo the amarr corps with a good chance of success but still it will be too low ammount for their corp needs. They are pvp corp so they need to actively pvp or people get bored. Also if they find enough targets people in minmatar miltia will not get any. So its like a huge fish who eats all the small fishes around and swims in empty pool.
This for the most part - in an area where minnies accuse you of blobbing if you're in a five man gang (actually happened), RKK is entirely misplaced and I guess lots of people will consider the idea of fighting against such overwhelming odds rather ridiculous and not bother to log on/stay in the area anyway - so what will most likely happen is RKK getting bored of taking fleets out to gank the occasional 3 month old plexer in his t1 frig every few days and turn on providence to find someone of their calibre to actually get some fights.
Why they go through the hassle of grinding standings for Minmatar up instead of just joining UK in order to achieve that escapes me though - probably so mins can take plexes 99% of pilots on both sides don't care about anyway.
*shrugs* has been good fun fighting you Mins, but I guess it's time to move on... o7
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.06.30 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Asse
This for the most part - in an area where minnies accuse you of blobbing if you're in a five man gang (actually happened), RKK is entirely misplaced and I guess lots of people will consider the idea of fighting against such overwhelming odds rather ridiculous and not bother to log on/stay in the area anyway - so what will most likely happen is RKK getting bored of taking fleets out to gank the occasional 3 month old plexer in his t1 frig every few days and turn on providence to find someone of their calibre to actually get some fights.
Why they go through the hassle of grinding standings for Minmatar up instead of just joining UK in order to achieve that escapes me though - probably so mins can take plexes 99% of pilots on both sides don't care about anyway.
*shrugs* has been good fun fighting you Mins, but I guess it's time to move on... o7
It doesn't matter if your gang is only 5. If you attack a solo pilot in a ship that doesn't require 5 to 1 odds then you are blobbing.
Example.. You attack a single frig or destroyer with 5 T2 frigs you are blobbing. If you attack a BS with 5 rifters you aren't blobbing.
It's not really just about the ship amount per say, but that added up with ship class that you flying vs what you are attacking. Typically I would say anything over 3 to 1 odds is blobbing.
However that's probably a whole different 10 page argument. Maybe Goons will give up delve and join the Amarr and it will be Goons vs Bobs 2.0. They can all fly rifters and punishers ftw.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.30 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Asse *shrugs* has been good fun fighting you Mins, but I guess it's time to move on... o7
For some strange reason I can't find your name associated with the Tribal Liberation Force public combat database. How strange! I guess we're supposed to take on faith that you are actually representing some mysterious 3rd party who is a hero of the minmatar resistence who nonetheless feels the need to hire an ugly Amarrian galnet personality to do his (or her) PR work?
Get out of here you pathetic waste of skin!
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