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Nick Bison Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd 253	Posted - 2012.05.20 04:41:00 - [61] - Quote Zhihatsu wrote: 33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that. Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much. My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK Nothing clever at this time.
Sentinel Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2012.05.20 04:49:00 - [62] - Quote Just out of curiosity.. did you even bother to send them a question or two ? Cause is no one asked, then they didn't talk about it.. And if you didn't, then either no one else things what ever issues you have are actually issues, or no one bothered to step up and ask them something about it.. Reminds me of some friends I have bitching about who got elected.. Did they vote ? No.. So stfu..
Zhihatsu Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 16	Posted - 2012.05.20 04:50:00 - [63] - Quote Nick Bison wrote: Zhihatsu wrote: 33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that. Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much. My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK If you are casual then why would you need the pimpest of all the fit ships? It'd be like someone having all the highest tier armor and crap in warcraft just so they can run through regular deadmines with it. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 392	Posted - 2012.05.20 04:54:00 - [64] - Quote Nick Bison wrote: Zhihatsu wrote: 33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that. Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much. My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK here's a better question why would I choose to grind up the ISK for whatever goal I have in mind in the sov space that my alliance expends countless hours into securing when I can make the same amount of ISK for the same amount of effort and time in the relative safety of hisec? eh
Antisocial Malkavian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2012.05.20 04:55:00 - [65] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: I coulda told you that. CSM is a figment of CCP's imagination. The CSM themselves are all too HAPPY to be dupes. They can brag about having an internet gaming OFFICE. Elected by the "playerbase." Delusions know no bounds. Grandpaw sat me on his knee and told me, "Son. Don't expect crazy people to make sense." No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!!
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 392	Posted - 2012.05.20 04:57:00 - [66] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all. CCP has the people in place to make sure that there isn't another t20, they're called "Internal Affairs." The "sounding board" concept has nothing to do with the CSM shotgunning ideas at the devs - it has to do with the devs sitting down with the CSM and presenting whatever plans they have and getting feedback. That's why they sign an NDA. eh
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 34	Posted - 2012.05.20 04:59:00 - [67] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Nick Bison wrote: Zhihatsu wrote: 33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that. Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much. My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK here's a better question why would I choose to grind up the ISK for whatever goal I have in mind in the sov space that my alliance expends countless hours into securing when I can make the same amount of ISK for the same amount of effort and time in the relative safety of hisec? personally, the lion's share of my ISK came from scams and market trading, but some people choose to rat and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec
Antisocial Malkavian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:00:00 - [68] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all. CCP has the people in place to make sure that there isn't another t20, they're called "Internal Affairs." The "sounding board" concept has nothing to do with the CSM shotgunning ideas at the devs - it has to do with the devs sitting down with the CSM and presenting whatever plans they have and getting feedback. That's why they sign an NDA. ah see UI understand your problem, you werent paying attention when they formed the CSM then? When CCP told us what I just said WAS the point of the group? Cause if there is a IA division, then the CSM has no purpose and the sounding board thing is a BS cover they threw against the wall too see if itd stick so they wouldnt bee seen to disband the group lol ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!!
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 392	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:01:00 - [69] - Quote Malice Redeemer wrote: and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec Plenty of nullseccers already fund themselves through out-of-corp hisec alts. eh
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 392	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:01:00 - [70] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2012.05.01 09:45 to this day eh
Nick Bison Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd 253	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:02:00 - [71] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: why would I choose to grind up the ISK for whatever goal I have in mind in the sov space that my alliance expends countless hours into securing when I can make the same amount of ISK for the same amount of effort and time in the relative safety of hisec? Well, because it is your choice i guess. This is probably why a number of NulSec folk have Empire alts, to fund their PvP habit. I see no problem with this ... but, instead of nurfing HiSec income, shouldn't we be focusing on how to improve Null income? Nothing clever at this time.
Antisocial Malkavian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:05:00 - [72] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2012.05.01 09:45 to this day ...like I said. Yeah CCP were the ones telling US what I said about the group going to Iceland to make sure there wasnt another T20. so yeah... After they realized that was impossible, they formed IA, because the CSM was then worthless http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!!
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 392	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:09:00 - [73] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2012.05.01 09:45 to this day ...like I said. Yeah CCP were the ones telling US what I said about the group going to Iceland to make sure there wasnt another T20. so yeah... After they realized that was impossible, they formed IA, because the CSM was then worthless IA predates the CSM, fyi eh
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 392	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:10:00 - [74] - Quote Nick Bison wrote: but, instead of nurfing HiSec income, shouldn't we be focusing on how to improve Null income? yeah the solution to the problem is to vastly increase the amount of ISK being injected into the game lol eh
Natassia Krasnoo R3D SHIFT 15	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:15:00 - [75] - Quote So let me get this straight. You want to nerf highsec income? I'm not really sure I'm following you here. I can go out to 0.0 and make a boat load more than I ever could in highsec in about 1/8 the time. Highsec income is a GRIND most people do not enjoy, but do it because they don't have the time to devote to 0.0 life with alarm clock mando ops...etc. 0.0 income comes from ABC ores/ice/gasses, in system belts/Hidden belts(usually worth a lot more.). Higher paying or = to LVL 4 bounties in Anomalies, Complexes, and Belt rats in upgraded systems. Tech moons and other moon goo that doesn't exist in highsec. Much better PI resources. Easier access to Class 5 Wormhole content. Highsec income comes from bottom of the barrel roids/ice/gasses. Grinding LVL 4's till you want to smash your head through the monitor at the sight of another red cross. Trading/Market games. Some FW LP(anyone willing to play FW in its current state deserves all the ISK they get and much much more IMHO). Lousy PI resources. Easy access to class 3 Wormhole content. The much debated Data Cores(not a source of good income and not exactly passive either). Just because some people run around in 33 bil officer fit ships does not mean the average highsec player does the same. Take a look around highsec most mission runners are using T1 or sometimes a T2 BS for LVL 4's and mostly T2 or T1 fit at that. It's not often I see a T2 or Faction BS in my mission system. The most likely scenario is he sold or traded in GTC or Plex to get that fit and ship, or he RMT'ed to get it. Not all highsec dwellers are rich, some of us barely have the time to complete and salvage a couple LVL 4 missions a day. I love this game but if highsec income gets nerfed any more than it is. I'm outta here and I know I'm not alone.
Antisocial Malkavian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:19:00 - [76] - Quote huh neat, if the stuff Ive been reading is right the IA department preceeds the T20 incident... funny But yeah, they should nerf highsec income when they remove tech moons from the game http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!!
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 35	Posted - 2012.05.20 05:35:00 - [77] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Malice Redeemer wrote: and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec Plenty of nullseccers already fund themselves through out-of-corp hisec alts. and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 959	Posted - 2012.05.20 06:27:00 - [78] - Quote Well it's either increase hisec risk or decrease hisec reward and we know how you guys are about risk, so...
Natassia Krasnoo R3D SHIFT 17	Posted - 2012.05.20 08:11:00 - [79] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Well it's either increase hisec risk or decrease hisec reward and we know how you guys are about risk, so... So you are issueing an ultimatum? Funny I don't see a CCP or CSM tag on your character portrait. You are ASS-uming that ALL highsec players are scared to risk what they have. Yet they take the same risk as you in 0.0. They can still get their ship blown up. All it takes is a wardec or a group of gankers with good alpha. You chose to live in 0.0 nobody forced you out there. See my post above, I'm not sure what exactly the problem with highsec is. Please explain your points and justifications for nerfing the highsec income. Or are you simply jumping on the bandwagon as part of the blue 0.0 NAPFEST coalition train? Is it that you aren't getting enough tears in 0.0 because of the lack of targets or what?
Dyner Midgard Protectorate 100	Posted - 2012.05.20 08:32:00 - [80] - Quote Nick Bison wrote: Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK. Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too. Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not. Actually, it's because the Hi-seccers joined a PVP-everywhere game then complain when it [PVP] happens. I'll rationalize it for those lacking intelligence (not directed at you) PVP is the Gun Concord is the Safety if you still manage to shoot yourself in the foot, don't complain to the Gun Maker (CCP) and don't dare come complain on the forums (NRA).
Seleene Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 1603	Posted - 2012.05.20 13:50:00 - [81] - Quote Sentinel Smith wrote: Just out of curiosity.. did you even bother to send them a question or two ? Cause is no one asked, then they didn't talk about it.. And if you didn't, then either no one else things what ever issues you have are actually issues, or no one bothered to step up and ask them something about it.. Reminds me of some friends I have bitching about who got elected.. Did they vote ? No.. So stfu.. This is a really good post. No rep system. The good news is that we will be doing these at least every couple of months, or more if it's warranted, so there will be plenty more opportunities to ask us stuff. Antisocial Malkavian wrote: No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all. The real fult is CCP for not putting them on task This is not a really good post. It's actually pretty bad. Your follow up posts about how the CSM were formed are equally ignorant. I'd correct you but you seem to be having too much fun being angry. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter!
Katja Faith Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 105	Posted - 2012.05.20 13:56:00 - [82] - Quote "CSM" and "irrelevant" in the same sentence. Huh. Go figure.
Jame Jarl Retief Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne 81	Posted - 2012.05.20 13:59:00 - [83] - Quote Ohanka wrote: Eve needs a centrally planned economy. Discuss. It worked for the Soviet Union before the whole system collapsed due to economic failures. Yes, and the capitalist system of the United States is doing very well, only nearling 16 trillion in debt and growing. While half of the capitalist Europe is in the next recession, with several countries one thin hair away from defaulting, and several countries had to be bailed out by others already. Oh, yes. Capitalism is much, much better... Economic failures can and will occur in any system.
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 509	Posted - 2012.05.20 14:24:00 - [84] - Quote Fabulousli Obvious wrote: I doubt I'm the lone wolf here............... The one 'like' that your OP has receieved says otherwise (considering you probably 'alt-liked' yourself).
Serge Bastana GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 548	Posted - 2012.05.20 14:33:00 - [85] - Quote Gorki Andropov wrote: Fabulousli Obvious wrote: I doubt I'm the lone wolf here............... The one 'like' that your OP has receieved says otherwise (considering you probably 'alt-liked' yourself). He'd like to think of himself as the 'lone wolf' since it makes him feel dangerous and a special snowflake. That's when he isn't bleating on about how his four accounts are all unsubbing cos he can't handle the game. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Fabulousli Obvious State War Academy Caldari State 66	Posted - 2012.05.20 14:39:00 - [86] - Quote Serge Bastana wrote: Gorki Andropov wrote: Fabulousli Obvious wrote: I doubt I'm the lone wolf here............... The one 'like' that your OP has receieved says otherwise (considering you probably 'alt-liked' yourself). He'd like to think of himself as the 'lone wolf' since it makes him feel dangerous and a special snowflake. That's when he isn't bleating on about how his four accounts are all unsubbing cos he can't handle the game. **** OFF Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 510	Posted - 2012.05.20 14:39:00 - [87] - Quote You definitely sound mad, brother.
Zhihatsu Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2012.05.20 14:48:00 - [88] - Quote Fabulousli Obvious wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: Gorki Andropov wrote: Fabulousli Obvious wrote: I doubt I'm the lone wolf here............... The one 'like' that your OP has receieved says otherwise (considering you probably 'alt-liked' yourself). He'd like to think of himself as the 'lone wolf' since it makes him feel dangerous and a special snowflake. That's when he isn't bleating on about how his four accounts are all unsubbing cos he can't handle the game. ** OFF You sound mad, Fabulousli Obvious. I don't think you're cut out for this game or these forums, with your lone wolf attitude. Animal Planet wrote:** Even if lone wolves track down mates, the odds are against them. Without the support of the pack, they're more likely to die. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham
Serge Bastana GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 548	Posted - 2012.05.20 14:50:00 - [89] - Quote Fabulousli Obvious wrote: Serge Bastana wrote: Gorki Andropov wrote: Fabulousli Obvious wrote: I doubt I'm the lone wolf here............... The one 'like' that your OP has receieved says otherwise (considering you probably 'alt-liked' yourself). He'd like to think of himself as the 'lone wolf' since it makes him feel dangerous and a special snowflake. That's when he isn't bleating on about how his four accounts are all unsubbing cos he can't handle the game. **** OFF Bazinga WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.05.20 14:50:00 - [90] - Quote Why high sec should be completely safe? So all the elite pvp pussies would be forced in to low/null sec, witch they definitively don't want. It's too hard to fight someone knowing you can get your ass spank at all moment by neutrals passing by there, cyno baits, bubbles etc. So, who really wants high sec to be the no balls bullies paradise? Edit: who cares of eve politics seriously?

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