A CSM with no Mittens is a sad CSM.

A full hour so far on EVE Radio and not one topic pertains to or is relevant to anything I did (I've unsubscribed...clock ticking down)ingame.

wait until op discovers real life politics

a whole campaign about a birth certificate, lmao

if eve is your escapism you've got it pretty bad son

I coulda told you that. CSM is a figment of CCP's imagination. The CSM themselves are all too HAPPY to be dupes. They can brag about having an internet gaming OFFICE. Elected by the "playerbase." Delusions know no bounds.

Grandpaw sat me on his knee and told me, "Son. Don't expect crazy people to make sense."

A full hour so far on EVE Radio and not one topic pertains to or is relevant to anything I did (I've unsubscribed...clock ticking down)ingame.

20 minutes even dedicated to all 5 people who actually do FW.

Except for the datacore thing. "The change is great for the game" -----and they say not why or how exactly. It just 'magically is' I guess.


I doubt I'm the lone wolf here...............

CSM7= **** highsec

So how long do we have until you stop reminding us that you've unsubbed in every post?

How about he keeps posting he is unsubbing, until CCP marketing takes notice?
Every single person unsubbing should post up why they are unsubbing.


Maybe we will get lucky and someone with a brain at CCP might start clueing in they might have a problem.

So how long do we have until you stop reminding us that you've unsubbed in every post?

and low sec

Maybe we will get lucky and someone with a brain at CCP might start clueing in they might have a problem.

How about they just send an email to CCP as to why they're unsubbing and just leave, harping on and on about it on the forums just makes the rest of us with they'd shut and leave PDQ.

How about he keeps posting he is unsubbing, until CCP marketing takes notice?
Every single person unsubbing should post up why they are unsubbing.


Maybe we will get lucky and someone with a brain at CCP might start clueing in they might have a problem.

Guess you should have ran for CSM then, eh?

That's right. SLEEP. SLEEP. All is fine. OBEY. SLEEP. SLEEP.

Sigh. I'm running out of bubblegum again.

Actually, when you unsub, there is a questionnaire as to why you are leaving Eve.
So, the real question may be, "is anyone at CCP noticing or reading them?"

I assume the above is a cartoon bubble pointing at that contemplative face of yours.

and take more whiners with you please.

Guess what? I'm unsubbing too. You want me to stop posting about it? I don't give a rat's turd what you want. I have a paid sub left that I'm not playing on. My sole amusement for the money I spent is to post about leaving. OP is fine with me.

What a drama queen.

So I've seen 4-5 people in this thread who are unsubbing because their passive income is getting nerfed.

Till now.


Anyway. MIND BLOWN.

The ease with which they ALL blew off the horribad thing that is the new Inventory Window...........saying it's great without even a how or why. Stunning.

I guess our Elected Ones don't care what the longest running thread ever on the Test Server Forums (maybe one about Incara excepted) has to say. The change is just MAGICALLY great.

If it did not sound so Tinfoil Hat, I could almost suggest payoff (who'd know in ISK?).


Tuesday will be either (1) Massive Unsubs from Proverbial Straws (who won't do the following because they are beyond caring at this point), (2) Monument Shooting, or (3) Both.

Oh, believe me, Girlfriend, I'll stick my nose in here in August or something and see how the smoking ruins are doing.

Guess what? I'm unsubbing too. You want me to stop posting about it? I don't give a rat's turd what you want. I have a paid sub left that I'm not playing on. My sole amusement for the money I spent is to post about leaving. OP is fine with me.

A CSM with Mittens would be a worse CSM.

Actually, I count 2 including myself.

I am bad at math.

As I have posted elsewhere, people are not unsubbing over some trivial loss in income (and it is not passive, regardless of how much you and your kind say it is).

People are unsubbing because this is the proverbial straw.

This is just the current, but by no means the last, attack on high sec by the null sec zealots within CCP and in-game.
It is part of a co-ordinated campaign led by the ex-goon (no way of telling if he is STILL a goon) lead developer, the CSM, goons, and other null sec powerblocs bent on wiping out high sec economic profitability.

It appears a number of people are saying "enough", and trying to make CCP hear through unsubbing, because high sec players are drowned out on the forums by the shear volume of garbage and noise pumped out by the null sec zealot propagandists.

We've had three CONCORD buffs, at least two security status loss/gain nerfs (one has recently been reversed, I think?), a massive empire war nerf, the legalization of decshield, the removal of insurance for losses to CONCORD, an upcoming massive nerf to empire wars, with its own built-in decshield, and plans in the pipe to completely destroy can theft and ninja looting. Most of these happened post-Apocrypha, and this is just an off the top of my head list.

In other words, why do you think High-sec deserves all the safety nets they've been given over the last couple of years and still have 33 billion isk mission running ships be a common sight?

If you want to have your income, then maybe you should also petition CCP to slow down CONCORDs response time? How about making it impossible to avoid an unwanted wardec? How about letting suicide gankers have their insurance back?

You can't have both.

Oh no you can't say that. They CAN have both, as you see they are reaching for.

There's got to be a killmail behind that 33 billion isk mission running ship though, and I'd love to see it.

What about all the huge buffs that highsec has gotten in terms of safety? From another thread:



As CCP h as been saying from the start, this game is about Risk vs Reward. You've had all these buffs to safety, all these buffs to reduce the risk in Highsec. Don't you think the trade off is going to be a reduction in high-sec income?

In other words, why do you think High-sec deserves all the safety nets they've been given over the last couple of years and still have 33 billion isk mission running ships be a common sight?

If you want to have your income, then maybe you should also petition CCP to slow down CONCORDs response time? How about making it impossible to avoid an unwanted wardec? How about letting suicide gankers have their insurance back?

You can't have both.

Right, sure.
It is pointless to discuss this with one who is so willfully ignorant of the facts.
As for a 33 billion ISK ratting ship...LOL.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/07/33b-vindicator/

My my, why not just dualbox saner ships ...

A CSM with no Mittens is a sad CSM.

Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.

Because high sec mission runners would rather have a lambo with spinnaz and 60" LED TVs underneath the car than drive an unpimped Corvette.

Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.

It's not that we couldn't afford something crazy like that, but see, when you're in nullsec you have to plan to be ganked, so you don't fully officer/deadspace fit your 6 billion isk ship for ratting or missioning.

The only reason this highsec mission runner fit his ship so expensively is because he had no fear of losing it.

It's not that we couldn't afford something crazy like that, but see, when you're in nullsec you have to plan to be ganked, so you don't fully officer/deadspace fit your 6 billion isk ship for ratting or missioning.

The only reason this highsec mission runner fit his ship so expensively is because he had no fear of losing it.

Well, that's his fricken mistake and was obviously proved wrong.
And, so what if a pilot wants to fly that ... obviously gave some folks wood to pop it.

But the continued visceral hatred of all HiSec'ers seems a little over the top.

Who said hate? We only think that if highsec wants to be safer, then it should have a comparable income.

That IS hate speech.

Am I guilty of a hate crime now? Hate crimes against highsec crybabies.

...
Redonkulous fits like that Vindi are fairly common in highsec, enough so that you really won't see them anywhere else. High-sec citizens shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant risk, not just risk from the odd gank or wardec.

Well, here is where I believe you and I differ.

You say that HiSec folk "shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant risk"
I contend HiSec folk "shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant effort"

I would clarify that by saying that any Eve player anywhere in Eve should be able to afford anything with the proper effort.
The risk of ownership it comes with undocking. And, if I read you right, you do not believe the odd gank is sufficient risk?

Not trying to put words in your mouth but, I don't think you are advocating not allowing a player to purchase what they can afford?

33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that.

Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much.
My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK

Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much.
My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK

I coulda told you that. CSM is a figment of CCP's imagination. The CSM themselves are all too HAPPY to be dupes. They can brag about having an internet gaming OFFICE. Elected by the "playerbase." Delusions know no bounds.

Grandpaw sat me on his knee and told me, "Son. Don't expect crazy people to make sense."

No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all.

here's a better question

why would I choose to grind up the ISK for whatever goal I have in mind in the sov space that my alliance expends countless hours into securing when I can make the same amount of ISK for the same amount of effort and time in the relative safety of hisec?

personally, the lion's share of my ISK came from scams and market trading, but some people choose to rat

CCP has the people in place to make sure that there isn't another t20, they're called "Internal Affairs." The "sounding board" concept has nothing to do with the CSM shotgunning ideas at the devs - it has to do with the devs sitting down with the CSM and presenting whatever plans they have and getting feedback. That's why they sign an NDA.

and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec

ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad

why would I choose to grind up the ISK for whatever goal I have in mind in the sov space that my alliance expends countless hours into securing when I can make the same amount of ISK for the same amount of effort and time in the relative safety of hisec?

Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2012.05.01 09:45 to this day

...like I said.

Yeah CCP were the ones telling US what I said about the group going to Iceland to make sure there wasnt another T20.


so yeah... After they realized that was impossible, they formed IA, because the CSM was then worthless

but, instead of nurfing HiSec income, shouldn't we be focusing on how to improve Null income?

Plenty of nullseccers already fund themselves through out-of-corp hisec alts.

Well it's either increase hisec risk or decrease hisec reward

and we know how you guys are about risk, so...

Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.

Just out of curiosity.. did you even bother to send them a question or two ? Cause is no one asked, then they didn't talk about it..

And if you didn't, then either no one else things what ever issues you have are actually issues, or no one bothered to step up and ask them something about it..

Reminds me of some friends I have bitching about who got elected.. Did they vote ? No.. So stfu..

No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all.

The real fult is CCP for not putting them on task

Eve needs a centrally planned economy.

Discuss.

It worked for the Soviet Union before the whole system collapsed due to economic failures.

I doubt I'm the lone wolf here...............

The one 'like' that your OP has receieved says otherwise (considering you probably 'alt-liked' yourself).

He'd like to think of himself as the 'lone wolf' since it makes him feel dangerous and a special snowflake. That's when he isn't bleating on about how his four accounts are all unsubbing cos he can't handle the game.

**** OFF

Even if lone wolves track down mates, the odds are against them. Without the support of the pack, they're more likely to die.

**** OFF

Bazinga

Your posts here have reached the level of obsession and reported.

Creepy is creepy.


I'd proceed REAL careful from here.

Your posts here have reached the level of obsession and reported.

Creepy is creepy.


I'd proceed REAL careful from here.

Suit yourself, I really couldn't care less. I'm just responding to posts and wasting a sunday afternoon. Carry on Clarice.

He's going to punish you like Jessie-A tried to punish me last night.

A full hour so far on EVE Radio and not one topic pertains to or is relevant to anything I did (I've unsubscribed...clock ticking down)ingame.

20 minutes even dedicated to all 5 people who actually do FW.

Except for the datacore thing. "The change is great for the game" -----and they say not why or how exactly. It just 'magically is' I guess.


I doubt I'm the lone wolf here...............

Your posts here have reached the level of obsession and reported.

Creepy is creepy.


I'd proceed REAL careful from here.

Did you enjoy it?

I hardly even noticed.

I'd proceed REAL careful from here.

He looks the sort

Actually, when you unsub, there is a questionnaire as to why you are leaving Eve.
So, the real question may be, "is anyone at CCP noticing or reading them?"

I won't be unsubbing all my accounts, but watching the changes in the datacore system closely I may decide to stop two of them, that were focused on datacore farming.

If the market crashes to the point that I suspect it will, I will have no more use for these characters. Also, I am kinda pissed off with CCP for taking a part of the game that I have trained skills for, invested ISK in and spent time grinding standings for away from me and just giving it to some people who like play at PVP in low-sec.

But at the end of the day, I won't be unsubbing because I'm angry or because I don't want to play EVE anymore. Soundwave and Co. may quite simply just have removed the only reason I had these two additional accounts.

But at the end of the day, I won't be unsubbing because I'm angry or because I don't want to play EVE anymore. Soundwave and Co. may quite simply just have removed the only reason I had these two additional accounts.

Till now.


Anyway. MIND BLOWN.

The ease with which they ALL blew off the horribad thing that is the new Inventory Window...........saying it's great without even a how or why. Stunning.

I guess our Elected Ones don't care what the longest running thread ever on the Test Server Forums (maybe one about Incara excepted) has to say. The change is just MAGICALLY great.

If it did not sound so Tinfoil Hat, I could almost suggest payoff (who'd know in ISK?).


Tuesday will be either (1) Massive Unsubs from Proverbial Straws (who won't do the following because they are beyond caring at this point), (2) Monument Shooting, or (3) Both.

Oh, believe me, Girlfriend, I'll stick my nose in here in August or something and see how the smoking ruins are doing.

Eve needs a centrally planned economy.

Discuss.

It worked for the Soviet Union before the whole system collapsed due to economic failures.

Eve needs a centrally planned economy.

Discuss.

It worked for the Soviet Union before the whole system collapsed due to economic failures.

Perhaps you wpould care to tell us when the Soviet planned economy 'worked' as opposed to managing to hide the fact that it was not working?

The joke in this period was 'we pretend to work and you pretend to pay us'

Oh no you can't say that. They CAN have both, as you see they are reaching for.

There's got to be a killmail behind that 33 billion isk mission running ship though, and I'd love to see it.

Let's make Null Sec as dangerous as High Sec. Let's get rid of Local.

Local does f* for High Sec. Doesn't exist in WH. And LS is already dead. It only helps NS and is stupid.

Let us remove Local!

So FW finally gets some love and people cry foul. Typical.

Ah, you won't unsub, just unsub two accounts.

The horror. Guise, unsub your Datacore alt accounts, that'll teach em ...

So FW finally gets some love and people cry foul. Typical.

"love"? They dont change a thing and force T2 production through it and that's "love"?

Let's make Null Sec as dangerous as High Sec. Let's get rid of Local.

Local does f* for High Sec. Doesn't exist in WH. And LS is already dead. It only helps NS and is stupid.

Let us remove Local!

No new content.
FW was given something they have no use for. It was taken from people who do have a use for it.

Had they given FW people a better replacement ship? I'd call that an FW buff. What CCP did is redecorate the room by moving the couch.

To the main topic line: It's called spin doctoring.

EVE Online CSM's

So all the changes to system control is nothing? Even though it was one of the biggest complaints about FW. Also LP now for kills is nothing? FW really doesn't need new content, it just needs to have more of a purpose and reason for joining/fighting.

The datacore change is dumb but people are making it seem worse then what it is, since from my understanding of the dev blog it doesn't remove it from non-FW, it just nerfs the income amount a bit and boosts it for those in FW. A nerf yes, but they aren't completely removing the ability.

Let's make Null Sec as dangerous as High Sec. Let's get rid of Local.

Local does f* for High Sec. Doesn't exist in WH. And LS is already dead. It only helps NS and is stupid.

Let us remove Local!

We will see if dock blocking is a buff to faction war or just another roadblock for the people who aren't already in control of it.

Maybe I'm dumb, but if the Minmatar take a station, why should they let Amarr affiliated players use the station?

And if I am an Amarr pilot who thought about getting in to FW, why would I even bother if 80% of our stations are now undockable?

Just all pile into the winning side. Use alts if you have to.

That's what I expect to happen. It won't be a faction war, it will be a min max to farming. Kind of like it is now?

since nullsec is so safe why isn't hisec empty?

So let me get this straight. You want to nerf highsec income? I'm not really sure I'm following you here. I can go out to 0.0 and make a boat load more than I ever could in highsec in about 1/8 the time. Highsec income is a GRIND most people do not enjoy, but do it because they don't have the time to devote to 0.0 life with alarm clock mando ops...etc.

0.0 income comes from ABC ores/ice/gasses, in system belts/Hidden belts(usually worth a lot more.). Higher paying or = to LVL 4 bounties in Anomalies, Complexes, and Belt rats in upgraded systems. Tech moons and other moon goo that doesn't exist in highsec. Much better PI resources. Easier access to Class 5 Wormhole content.

Highsec income comes from bottom of the barrel roids/ice/gasses. Grinding LVL 4's till you want to smash your head through the monitor at the sight of another red cross. Trading/Market games. Some FW LP(anyone willing to play FW in its current state deserves all the ISK they get and much much more IMHO). Lousy PI resources. Easy access to class 3 Wormhole content. The much debated Data Cores(not a source of good income and not exactly passive either).

Just because some people run around in 33 bil officer fit ships does not mean the average highsec player does the same. Take a look around highsec most mission runners are using T1 or sometimes a T2 BS for LVL 4's and mostly T2 or T1 fit at that. It's not often I see a T2 or Faction BS in my mission system. The most likely scenario is he sold or traded in GTC or Plex to get that fit and ship, or he RMT'ed to get it. Not all highsec dwellers are rich, some of us barely have the time to complete and salvage a couple LVL 4 missions a day. I love this game but if highsec income gets nerfed any more than it is. I'm outta here and I know I'm not alone.

One final thought for all those that have let us know they are leaving on these forums, how many are just going quietly ?

One final thought for all those that have let us know they are leaving on these forums, how many are just going quietly ?

You mean how many people are not trying to bully CCP with a bluff?

I been waiting for alot of these people who claim to be emoragequiting to actually stop posting for months.