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CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2009.06.29 13:53:00 - [1] And whose side are you on, anyway? This is a new entry in our chronicle series, published on Monday every other week.

Miyamoto Uroki Caldari Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2009.06.29 14:24:00 - [2] Edited by: Miyamoto Uroki on 29/06/2009 14:24:16 I really liked the twist but I don't like the end that much. The student seemed too clever to be arsed about the usual teacher sayings. Apart from that, from a black-white-painting standpoint, best story ever so far ^^
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei	Posted - 2009.06.29 14:31:00 - [3] Worst chronicle ever. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.06.29 15:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Worst chronicle ever. Why? I thought it was an excellent chronicle. I didn't like the ending but only because I love arrogant history teachers that are willing to teach alternate histories. They were some of my best tutors. I think it's a perfect example of the darkness of the world. ___ Latest video: War Has Come (720p)
Avel Kereka Amarr Manu Dei	Posted - 2009.06.29 15:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Worst chronicle ever. If self-righteous Gallente players are whining, Abraxas did something right Thank you for this most excellent chronicle. Hopefully a sign of things to come. ------
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei	Posted - 2009.06.29 15:33:00 - [6] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 29/06/2009 15:34:28 I am not even involved with RP at the moment. No, you are wrong about being self righteous. The whole idea of changing history information is just stupid. Everyone should at least know that every bit of Information is stored on multiple computers and making changes to all of them is practically impossible. Also in the very least the Caldari, Amarr and even Minmatar, not speaking about minor Factions and independent Organisations would have their own backups of Data. So the whole idea is just borrowed from 1984 but at the same time invalidates itself because it doesn't fit into the background. But who am I to complain, now it is the Gallentes turn again to be **ed. Just like the Minmatar with their Deus Ex Machina Elders, the Amarr with Zombie Queen Jamyl,or the Caldari who got their corporate culture overthrown in favor of a great dictator. Most likely the Federation will be turned into a poor copy of a Starship Troopers (The Movie) Federation. Quote:** Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.06.29 15:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Everyone should at least know that every bit of Information is stored on multiple computers and making changes to all of them is practically impossible. Yes. If you want to look for an alternate perspective of history you can always find it. But making changes to a university curriculum is not impossible. It typically happens every year in every university around the present day world. If that institution is publicly funded, the government can have a say in what's taught. This isn't fiction. It happens in the real world. You could argue we already live in an authoritarian world now. Of course that's a political debate that's probably banned from the forums. ___ Latest video: War Has Come (720p)
Avel Kereka Amarr Manu Dei	Posted - 2009.06.29 15:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon No, you are wrong about being self righteous. The whole idea of changing history information is just stupid. Everyone should at least know that every bit of Information is stored on multiple computers and making changes to all of them is practically impossible. He didn't haxx0r the database--he just uploaded some of his own stuff for the class. If you're talking about the government making curriculum changes... you're not very familiar with centralized education if you don't think that happens. I've seen it happen. It's a chronicle about interpretation of information and how the truth is sometimes held to be less valuable than ideology. Alot of our history today is what the victors of the past and their descendants want us to know. This is the first truly good chronicle in over a year I think. I still doubt EVE will return to the really dark days which spawned it (older players will know what I'm talking about) but this is a step, at least. ------
Morgana Tsukiyo Samsara Dynamics	Posted - 2009.06.29 15:49:00 - [9] Shades of grey! Instead of ad hominem attacks, one should focus on facts, and much like the real world (bat***crazy with religious intolerance and questionable terrorism classifications justifying pre-emptive attacks to imaginary enemies that in the end creates angry people that will respond as the classification suggested), this shows a good example of how thoughts are trained, how institutions (and social groups / individuals) have an agenda and a perspective that passes along and grow roots on the social symbolic network. Massification of teaching had a distinct purpose of getting people used to boring repetitions, respect to hierarchy and a proficiency in a type of work that is not that* necessary in our current information age. Meta-language is fantastic =) Learning to think rather than depending on spoon-fed info. Good reading/movie suggestions: The third wave - Alvin Toffler 1984 - George Orwell Collective Intelligence - Pierre Levy Brave New World - Aldous Huxley Allegory of the cave - Plato Matrix (1999)
Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.06.29 16:27:00 - [10] Excellent chronicle in a wide range of ways. Not least that it gives a little historical information from the point of view of someone in the Eve world, and not only that it goes for bonus points by presenting some of that information not only as biased, but from two different points of view. A++ -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Jaron Molfett Gallente Manhattan Project Inc	Posted - 2009.06.29 17:42:00 - [11] I don't believe the problem in this story was that history had been rewritten, but more that it had been reworded. The lecturer objected to how the material had been reworded to give a negative slant Caldari history, for reasons that were most likely political rather than academic. However, the lecturers own view on history could be seen as describing the Caldari in a positive light, based on his personal opinions and beliefs. The question is, is positive prejudice just as bad as negative prejudice? What right did the lecturer have to declare his material to be better or more important than that in the curriculum? This story also features the two barriers to academic progress. The unwillingness of some "old guard" academics to give up on old theories (even when presented with new evidence) and the way facts can be twisted to give the results some people (like politicians) want to see. My conclusion: Everyone in this story is wrong. ---------------- "You can't solve all your problems by blowing stuff up..." Mercs through the ages have become rich and famous by NOT mentioning this to their employers.
Nullshadow Minmatar Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.06.29 18:56:00 - [12] I enjoyed the story greatly. EVE is at its best when everybody is in the wrong! My major complaint is the vagueness about where the student talked to the secret police. It does not ring true to me to see a school kid calling it "one of the new institutions Mentas Blaque had set up". It should have had a name, or been associated with the Black Eagles; specifically calling out Mentas Blaque was jarring, but it might just be a personal thing. BTW, it was only about a month ago there were news stories in the USA about the latest political fights over textbook contents, focused in particular over the wins and losses as regards the teaching of evolution. Not only does it happen, but apparently it is driven by a handful of states (in this case, Texas). I can't speak to places outside the USA, but then again humans are humans everywhere.
Ru' Falkyr	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:04:00 - [13] It was interesting to hear his reference to the Amarrians, I hope CCP include some more of the acts of great good their religion is supposed to be resposible for. The cliffhanger at the end where the teacher does not return: has he been sacked, or worse? Has he committed suicide? It suggests an evil lurking in the Gallente Federation, one which is more prevalent the harder you look (as seen in The Paths they Chose)
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:05:00 - [14] It's good to see what was hinted in "The Paths They Chose" moving forward in the storyline, and just as good to know that I've been mostly right about the relitive independence of the Gallente academic system before the war. ;) ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Danky Nuggets	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:31:00 - [15] To teach history that is knowingly biased is only realy a disservice to yourself and your students. Since the caldari and the galente are at war it would be in the best interests of any gallente citizen to learn the caldari history as close to the truth as possible. Only in doing so can you know thy enemy. The more you know your enemy the better chance you have of defeating him. While i think the kid could have been very bright he was definatly not very wise. He has potentialy prevented himself and a lot of other students the opertunity to know what thier realy up against in the war that i am sure at least a few of them will take part in. I didn't like this cronicle as i think any history teacher worth his or her salt would know and point this little tid bit out.
Kir'ian Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:36:00 - [16] I've always thought that there is more to learn about the revisionists from the revisionists then there is to learn about history from the history itself. Perhaps that is the point to the story? That's what it made me think anyway. /carebearstare
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Ru' Falkyr acts of great good their religion is supposed to be resposible for. No society incapable of good could survive for 7000 years, or unite a third of settled space under its rule. Originally by: Ru' Falkyr The cliffhanger at the end where the teacher does not return: has he been sacked, or worse? Has he committed suicide? I think it's pretty clear that the suggestion is that he has been captured by the secret police. -----
kano donn	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:49:00 - [18] dam abraxas you write well. thank you much :)
Ouro Akala	Posted - 2009.06.29 19:54:00 - [19] Good chronicle, enjoyed it very much. Touches on some of the negative sides of the Gallente really well. The rebellious teacher and the self-righteous student (who's willing to do almost anything to get his own way no matter what) seem to me like certain icons of something that might be considered "typical" Gallentean behaviour in some cases. Plus a glimpse of the downsides of the Federation: attempts at steering public opinion against the current enemies by the use of propaganda and the mass media, and finally - a not so secret thought police! I hope this isn't the last we'll see of these darker tones.
Morgana Tsukiyo Samsara Dynamics	Posted - 2009.06.29 21:11:00 - [20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism Blaqueism During the second Caldari-Gallente era of Blaqueism, many thousands of Gallenteans were accused of being Caldari or Caldari sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed Caldari associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment, destruction of their careers, and even imprisonment. Change the italic words at will for the scapegoat of preference. (Caldari - Communist - Terrorist - Carebear etc...)
Rachel Silverside Caldari K Directorate	Posted - 2009.06.30 00:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 29/06/2009 15:34:28 I am not even involved with RP at the moment. No, you are wrong about being self righteous. The whole idea of changing history information is just stupid. Everyone should at least know that every bit of Information is stored on multiple computers and making changes to all of them is practically impossible. Also in the very least the Caldari, Amarr and even Minmatar, not speaking about minor Factions and independent Organisations would have their own backups of Data....(lots of other crap the schools would n't have the data saved in different places each planet would prolly have a central data storage area and that could be changed easily. -------------------- This sig was awesome but needs more EvE related content. - Zymurgist
Ned Hamford	Posted - 2009.06.30 05:34:00 - [22] Top notch story. I think people forget that it doesn't matter that other sources of contradicting information exists. It is about shaping the opinions of the majority, the folks who will never bother to do so and will scorn any who go against the collective wisdom.
Lekegolo Khanid Amarr Arbeit aholics anonymous	Posted - 2009.06.30 06:39:00 - [23] Good story, although I feel somewhat frustrated at the main character. I like to think of the truth as a 3 dimensional object, only by viewing it from all angles can you know it's exact from. I think it was unwise to turn down a chance to see things from a different angle.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.06.30 12:20:00 - [24] ôhorse**ö Seems very out of place in Eve. I didnÆt think traditional livestock or animals existed in Eve. Someone in eve saying horse** has a big impact on lore as it means humans are not the only thing to survive since earth. Are we now saying horses survived the Eve gate collapse? ItÆs almost like someone in Eve talking about an Iphone or Xbox. Unless your implying Earth wild life is now around Eve and common enough for people to use it as a swear word. Perhaps horse should be replaced with Slaver** or Fedogas or some other known animal in Eve . Unless of course you meant to imply Earth animals are around Eve. I also find it very unbelievable that one student complaining without any evidence is going make a lecturer disappear. ôGallentean educational establishment prides itself on not bending to the whims of pressure groups.ö Yet one student lying is all it takes for the educational establishment to bend over and remove one of its old time lecturers. No old lecturer worth anything is going not turn up tomorrow over one minor complaint. No government agency would be stupid enough to remove by force a lecturer on the word of one student. At least not without a lie detecting test which surly would be common in the world of Eve and secrete police. This story describes the Gallante in a way that goes completely against what the Gallante stand for and freedoms of the Gallante. It doesnÆt fit into known lore at all or common sense. If governments are removing staff due to one comment by a student it would only cause chaos. No right minded Gallante style government would do that. All it would do is cause public outrage as the freedoms of the public are being breached and the chaos of upset students lying left, right and centre to remove staff they donÆt like. You end up in a situation where staff dare not teach due to one wrong word or upsetting some student. I am not against secret thought police I am against how stupid they appear to be shown. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Jizzames	Posted - 2009.06.30 12:57:00 - [25] Really good story Abraxas. I live in Maryland in the United States, and a few years ago my European History teacher showed us examples of where someone has gone and changed little facts, ones you would only notice after teaching for 25 years, so that the United States and allies appeared to fare better in the World Wars I and II. Pretty sad, that information such as history isint free from politics.
Jizzames	Posted - 2009.06.30 12:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Morgana Tsukiyo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism Blaqueism During the second Caldari-Gallente era of Blaqueism, many thousands of Gallenteans were accused of being Caldari or Caldari sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed Caldari associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment, destruction of their careers, and even imprisonment. http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3137 Change the italic words at will for the scapegoat of preference. (Caldari - Communist - Terrorist - Carebear etc...) Epic Job!
Borgh Brainbasher Path of Now and Forever	Posted - 2009.06.30 14:34:00 - [27] Edited by: Borgh Brainbasher on 30/06/2009 14:34:54 Quote: In fact the Amarr are a deeply spiritual and misunderstood group of people who are trying to better the world in ways we Gallente completely fail to appreciate. The fact that they **** it up half the time and have the worst PR agency in history is beside the point. :) awesome summary loved the chronicle, it relly reflects how messed up the cluster is rapidly becoming. edit: funny how you are allowed to use(male hen)in the chonicle but not on the forums. Resistance Is Futile.
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2009.06.30 14:38:00 - [28] An important part in the chronicle is the pervasive influence informing on fellow citizens now has in Gallentean society. I'm not up to speed on all the RP, but I find this reversal within Gallentean society hard to believe. Until the recent Caldari-Gallentean war, we were lead to believe that the Gallentean society was the most free and outspoken in New Eden. The main drawback of the Gallentean society was its excess, tendency towards depravity, and fractured nature when not confronted with a common goal/enemy. I kind of liked it that way, it showed a complex society struggling to balance freedom with excess with a rich tapestry of often conflicting influences and goals. Now however, we are lead to believe that, after centuries of having functioned that way, the Gallenteans have, within a very short time period, and without any vocal opposition to it as far as we know, moved dramatically towards a more Caldari-like state. This seems a-typical for Gallentean society. Where are all the focus groups, lobby groups, outspoken advocates for entrenched positions, and voter blocks? After centuries they just all packed up their bags and stay silent now? Although there are some parallels to this in 'Earth-history', most notably McCartheism in the US, it ignores the fact that there was a lot of opposition to this, and that it took quite some time. Gallentean society moreover is portrayed as much more liberal than US society was in the 1950s. And now, in this chronicle, we are lead to believe that, within a very short timespan, indoctrination and oppression of free-speech all but complete, and opposition to the process and situation virtually non-existant. Just a single history teacher speaks out? And he is arrested without so much as a guilty feeling or protest within a single day? I doubt even at the height of Stalinism the KGB would have been able to pull that off. This stretches the believability, and more over, decreases the complex nature of Gallentean society, almost making it similar to Caldari society. Moving from a depraved freedom worshipping society into a police state ruled from the shadows by an all-powerful secret service in the space of a couple of months, without so much as a single word of protest? There is no precedent for this in history; even ****-Germany or Stalinist Russia took a decade or more to achieve less than this, and with a lot more resistance from the public as well, especially from young, well-educated people. Such a turn-around would amount to a revolution within Gallentean society, and I for one do not see that reflected anywhere ... This is just one chronicle ofcourse, and may reflect only on a very small snapshot of the whole. But as it stands on its own, I find it too simplistic, too simplifying, and not very believable. In a society as politicised as the Gallentean one is described, I would have expected attempts to suppress public resistance to have been easily outflanked. Even with the Hawks and the Vultures currently in ascendancy, other well established voter blocks like the Doves (with their administrative powerbase) and the Ostriches (especially with the economic downturn) would never roll over like this without a fight, especially against an organisation so new as the Black Eagles. Only a revolution would cause this, and as far as I know, there hasn't been one. It seems to me, a lot of the original complexity of the background is progressively being written out of the RP. Please tell me that this is neither the case or the objective. Also some friendly advice: please stay away from all-powerful persons and institutions. Such deux-ex-machine do not exist in reality, and merely show a conspiracy theorist view on the world that is both simplistic and unrealistic. The last book was rife with this, and all the worse for it. There is no need for such plot-tools, it degrades the readers intelligence, and there is enough in reality that's much more interesting than that. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Avel Kereka Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.06.30 14:43:00 - [29] Edited by: Avel Kereka on 30/06/2009 14:45:08 Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 30/06/2009 12:26:35 ôhorse**ö Seems very out of place in Eve. I didnÆt think traditional livestock or animals existed in Eve. Someone in eve saying horse** has a big impact on lore as it means humans are not the only thing to survive since earth. Are we now saying horses survived the Eve gate collapse? Wheat survived, not to mention all the animals whose names are still in use (and presumably are still alive--Raven, Cormorant, Ibis, Scorpion etc.) Quote:** I also find it very unbelievable that one student complaining without any evidence is going make a lecturer disappear. ôGallentean educational establishment prides itself on not bending to the whims of pressure groups.ö Yet one student lying is all it takes for the educational establishment to bend over and remove one of its old time lecturers. No old lecturer worth anything is going not turn up tomorrow over one minor complaint. No government agency would be stupid enough to remove by force a lecturer on the word of one student. At least not without a lie detecting test which surly would be common in the world of Eve and secrete police. This story describes the Gallante in a way that goes completely against what the Gallante stand for and freedoms of the Gallante. It doesnÆt fit into known lore at all or common sense. If governments are removing staff due to one comment by a student it would only cause chaos. No right minded Gallante style government would do that. All it would do is cause public outrage as the freedoms of the public are being breached and the chaos of upset students lying left, right and centre to remove staff they donÆt like. You end up in a situation where staff dare not teach due to one wrong word or upsetting some student. I am not against secret thought police I am against how stupid they appear to be shown. At the very least the police should be useing lie detecting software or some sort of real evidence before removing someone like a lecturer. Not to make this political, but I was in the U.S. recently and there are signs all over the airports saying "report any suspicious persons to the authorities". All it takes is accusation, and the "authorities" take an interest in you. This, in what's supposedly a free democracy--so it isn't so strange. All you need is a fearful populace. The secret police probably asked around, confirmed he did what he did, and took him in for questioning. Not so very far-fetched. ------
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2009.06.30 14:56:00 - [30] Just to head off some criticism as well as trying to be constructive. This is how I would have written the chronicle: 1. The teacher would be a Dove and an Intaki, and mainly interested in teaching true history as he sees it. I like sarcastic description and I probably couldn't have done it better. Not that much change. 2. The protagonist would be Jin-Mei with a Hawk or Vulture background trying to protest the liberal teacher. 3. The 'smart' guy would be a Magpie or an Ostrich. He would protest both the Jin-Mei and the teacher for trying to polarise the debate. 4. The Jin-Mei would try to disgrace the teacher but would actually not be able to do so through the Black Eagles as they would not be interested to play a part. 5. There would be a polarising protest between the Hawks and the Vulture (lead by the Jin-Mei) against the Doves and the Ostriches (lead by the smart guy), with the teacher refusing to take sides. 6. The initially peaceful protest would lead to excess (inevitable in Gallentean society) with the Black Eagles forced to step in to resolve unrest, forced by disposition to side with the Hawk/Vulture side. Some backdoor politics thrown in for good measure. 7. There would be no winners, the teacher would be suspended, the Jin-Mei arrested for inciting violence during war, and the smart guy oppressed. EVE is a hard and dark place afterall. No all-powerful factions/persons, and to me believable within the Gallentean background. In true Gallentean style, feel free to disagree ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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