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Syndicus
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:00:00 -
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Not sure if this idea has been proposed before, but it's fair and simple.
In empire space, the aggressor's wallet is deducted the amount equaling the insurance cost, for the victim's ship.
(Does not apply to war-dec'd victims)
It wouldn't stop ALL the jihad activities, but certainly make it less appealing.
Thoughts?
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:01:00 -
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Why the hell should suicide ganking receive another nerf when it is a valid and intended mechanic?
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:03:00 -
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If you want to stop people suicide ganking you, simply don't undock.
uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:05:00 -
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if you want to stop people suicide ganking you
DONT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR SHIP THAT WORTH MORE THAN THE SHIP <<<<<<<<<DIGEST<<<<<<<<<
if you foolish to caryy 1 bills worth in a t1 hauler you deserve to loose it to teach you a lesson you wont forget for the forseeable future
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Ron Bacardi
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:05:00 -
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nothing wrong with suicide ganking.
NEXT!
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:08:00 -
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Hahahahaha.
*breathes*
Hahahahahaha
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Just out of interest, would that be over half a billion EACH deducted from the freighter gank fleet?
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:09:00 -
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There have been enough changes to reduce SG. Nothing else is needed.
What Should be instituted is some personal accountability.
Slade
 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Syndicus
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
if you want to stop people suicide ganking you
DONT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR SHIP THAT WORTH MORE THAN THE SHIP <<<<<<<<<DIGEST<<<<<<<<<
if you foolish to caryy 1 bills worth in a t1 hauler you deserve to loose it to teach you a lesson you wont forget for the forseeable future
You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:11:00 -
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Why should suicide ganking receive another nerf?
Until you answer that question, you will be mocked.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Syndicus
Originally by: Armoured C
if you want to stop people suicide ganking you
DONT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR SHIP THAT WORTH MORE THAN THE SHIP <<<<<<<<<DIGEST<<<<<<<<<
if you foolish to caryy 1 bills worth in a t1 hauler you deserve to loose it to teach you a lesson you wont forget for the forseeable future
You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say.
you obvisouly dont get it at all
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Syndicus
Originally by: Armoured C
if you want to stop people suicide ganking you
DONT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR SHIP THAT WORTH MORE THAN THE SHIP <<<<<<<<<DIGEST<<<<<<<<<
if you foolish to caryy 1 bills worth in a t1 hauler you deserve to loose it to teach you a lesson you wont forget for the forseeable future
You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say.
You obviously don't understand what you are trying to nerf.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:17:00 -
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military experts are calling this a total fail for game mechanics and accountability
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Syndicus
Not sure if this idea has been proposed before, but it's fair and simple.
In empire space, the aggressor's wallet is deducted the amount equaling the insurance cost, for the victim's ship.
(Does not apply to war-dec'd victims)
It wouldn't stop ALL the jihad activities, but certainly make it less appealing.
Thoughts?
Where do people like you come from? Seriously.
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Syndicus
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Syndicus on 30/06/2009 01:21:26
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Syndicus
Originally by: Armoured C
if you want to stop people suicide ganking you
DONT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR SHIP THAT WORTH MORE THAN THE SHIP <<<<<<<<<DIGEST<<<<<<<<<
if you foolish to caryy 1 bills worth in a t1 hauler you deserve to loose it to teach you a lesson you wont forget for the forseeable future
You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say.
You obviously don't understand what you are trying to nerf.
Of course I do. I am one of the ganking jihadists posting as an alt.
PS> hello
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
if you want to stop people suicide ganking you
DONT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR SHIP THAT WORTH MORE THAN THE SHIP <<<<<<<<<DIGEST<<<<<<<<<
Not really correct, is it? This means that when I undock my new Velator (worth zero) with my one unit of Trit (worth 4 ISK) I am in danger of a suicide gank.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Syndicus
Of course I do. I am one of the ganking jihadists posting as an alt.
PS> hello
Of course you are.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:55:00 -
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I have found from experience that proposals only lead to bad things.
This thread has done nothing to change my mind.
<Insert sig here>
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.30 01:58:00 -
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Moved to Features and Ideas.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Jobby
Minmatar
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.30 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Syndicus
Originally by: Armoured C
if you want to stop people suicide ganking you
DONT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR SHIP THAT WORTH MORE THAN THE SHIP <<<<<<<<<DIGEST<<<<<<<<<
if you foolish to caryy 1 bills worth in a t1 hauler you deserve to loose it to teach you a lesson you wont forget for the forseeable future
You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say.
Synd, I can hardly believe that, tbh. The evidence contradicts your statement to about the 12th power.
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Skalet
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Posted - 2009.06.30 02:14:00 -
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so once again, we see a post that was made to accomodate stupid people.
if you dont afk the chances you will ever get ganked are 0.
therefore, after listening to this whine for 6 years, i have come to the conclusion that , indeed CCP does not care about stupid people, as it should be.
amen
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Orb Lati
Minmatar
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Moved to Features and Ideas.
Could you not just move this thread directly into the rubbish bin instead?
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Lidirt
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.30 02:39:00 -
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No. This is a horrible idea. Think about how that would apply to RL.
What, litigation? Are you proposing they add litigation to the game? Sue the people that ganked you?
No thanks.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.30 04:12:00 -
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Suicide ganking should be perfectly legal. It would be sufficent to remove insurance payments for ships lost to criminal acts.
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Becq Starforged
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.30 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfDoom on 30/06/2009 04:23:18
Originally by: Becq Starforged
Suicide ganking should be perfectly legal. It would be sufficent to remove insurance payments for ships lost to criminal acts.
That covers a lot of ground and nerfs A LOT.
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Syndicus
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Posted - 2009.06.30 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lidirt
No. This is a horrible idea. Think about how that would apply to RL.
What, litigation? Are you proposing they add litigation to the game? Sue the people that ganked you?
No thanks.
No, I am not proposing any litigation. I am simply proposing that the amount of the insurance for any victim's ship in high-sec be subject be fined. Loss of insurance on part of the aggressors ship would be a fine addition to this idea.
I am still waiting for rationale, other than a bunch of lame personal attacks from mouth-breathing marplots (who were likely victims of my many freeform contract scams)
Yes, I was a suicide ganker and have destroyed many hulks and mackinaws using "jihad-fit" thoraxes and brutixes. I am emerging from the shadows as an alt, merely to offer this advice and my opinions.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 10:39:00 -
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Just void insurance on any ship death that involves CONCORD, job done.
That way it's still profitable to gank the right targets, it's just less financially viable "for the lulz".
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:24:00 -
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Suicide ganking does not require any further nerf. The reduced response times are enough.
If you remove the insurance payout for CONCORD related losses, response time should be put back to where they were before the nerf or even increased even more. Heck, it could even take into account the different security levels of attacker and victim. All this just to give it a more realistic feel to it, it's already artificial enough.
The current "power level" of suicide ganking is ok, in my opinion, it could just use a more fleshing out and spreading along the current balance.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:24:00 -
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yes, remove insurance payouts for concordokkened ships.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:27:00 -
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Removing CONCORD would solve the suicide-ganking problem.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:31:00 -
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sure if we get a massive concord nerf 
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Syndicus
Originally by: Armoured C
if you want to stop people suicide ganking you
DONT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR SHIP THAT WORTH MORE THAN THE SHIP <<<<<<<<<DIGEST<<<<<<<<<
if you foolish to caryy 1 bills worth in a t1 hauler you deserve to loose it to teach you a lesson you wont forget for the forseeable future
You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say.
yes we do you want eve to be a safer more wow like palce
good luck with it as you dont seem to understand there is nothing wrong with suicide ganking
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Morgan Bernhardt
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:08:00 -
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To topic starter
Stop whinning ang go back to WOW. 
EVE not a carebears paradise and its very good.
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Jade Mitch
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Mitch on 30/06/2009 12:43:06
Suicide ganking in empire space without a war dec is basically pirating. Of course they should get slammed. But suicide ganking usually involves large ships attacking small ships and the cost of insuring small ships is hardly a slap on the wrist for anyone who can afford to sacrifice big ships.
I would rather the aggressor's wallet be deducted what would be the platinum level insurance payout on their own ship AND they should loose whatever insurance they might have. That would do the trick.
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Space Pinata
Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.30 14:04:00 -
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None of you nerf whiners have given a single legitimate reason for suicide ganking to be nerfed, other than "I don't want to be suicide ganked.  ".
Does this mean I can start asking CCP to change the fact that Space Pinata does not have 20 billion isk, by giving 10% of all insurance payouts to me?
Or maybe I could just become immune to all attacks. That'd be wonderful, too.
@ The OP: It's quite ironic how you provide no content and insult anyone who disagrees with you, only to accuse them of being the ones who make no argument.
If you think suicide ganking should be nerfed, answer this: Why? If the answer is "I don't want to lose a ship", then you're not concerned about game balance, you're just trying to have CCP responsible for your safety.
If you have a legitimate reason it's detrimental to gameplay in it's current form, on the other hand... |
Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:55:00 -
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Removing insurance payouts from ships killed by Concord is a suggestion that I and many others put forward before CCP decided to look again at the response times for Concord as their response to suicide ganking. They thought long and hard about it and have succeeded in making suicide ganking a fraction of what it once was without removing it altogether, despite this being easily within their grasp.
Since that was the case it is logical to assume that given the amount of time that has passed since they consider the matter dealt with and the status quo acceptable. Suggesting the same thing yet again when there is no evedince that this is even still an issue is a hiding to nothing.
I live in what was at one point the suicide gank capital of the game and chose my ship of choice deliberately to take that into account. I have seen very little of it going on since compared to at its peak just before the changes. Working as intended, I'd say.
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Over 4000 hours logged
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Removing insurance payouts from ships killed by Concord is a suggestion that I and many others put forward before CCP decided to look again at the response times for Concord as their response to suicide ganking. They thought long and hard about it and have succeeded in making suicide ganking a fraction of what it once was without removing it altogether, despite this being easily within their grasp.
Since that was the case it is logical to assume that given the amount of time that has passed since they consider the matter dealt with and the status quo acceptable. Suggesting the same thing yet again when there is no evedince that this is even still an issue is a hiding to nothing.
I live in what was at one point the suicide gank capital of the game and chose my ship of choice deliberately to take that into account. I have seen very little of it going on since compared to at its peak just before the changes. Working as intended, I'd say.
You make a good point there. On the other hand I don't imagine CCP are necessarily too thrilled with the extent of the current hulk ganks when the cost of operations (after insurance) only runs into several million.
Suicide ganking should imo be something noteworthy. Suiciding a hulk literally "just for the lulz" (i.e. where there is no expectation or reliance on profit from it) is imo a bit out of balance.
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Ausser
Cybertech Industrials Agency
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ausser on 30/06/2009 17:33:14
Maybe we should add the option to lodge a complaint at court. Victims and outlaws lawyers can then deal with it till out of courts.
When they dont get rid of it in the court of ultimate resort, concord spawns and both opponents and their lawyers get the one month wardec for free and deal with it using the traditionaly way of eve. 
/sarcasm
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Walton Kildare
Caldari
NSO Enterprises
Unitary Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Walton Kildare on 30/06/2009 17:52:57
Originally by: Durzel
Suicide ganking should imo be something noteworthy. Suiciding a hulk literally "just for the lulz" (i.e. where there is no expectation or reliance on profit from it) is imo a bit out of balance.
I've seen this phrase tied to bannable griefing offenses before. It see no reason why it shouldn't be applied to suicide griefing as well (as opposed to suicide pirating where the intent IS to make a profit).
On the insurance note, to me, it seems outside of the realm of realism or feasibility for an insurance payout to be made on a ship that was used in an illegal activity. All it really does is contribute to the profit. In my opinion, if you're going to go to the effort of killing someone in highsec, it should be worth the loss of your ship, and the cost to replace it in its entirety..
What is it the pirates are ALWAYS saying? Risk vs Reward? Well, it works both ways too. Your reward is profit... what is your risk?
Justin
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