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Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Garreck Thank you, Lord Nok, for reaffirming my cynicism! For those who are still hoping to take something positive away from this thread: if you get ganked in Providence and you feel it was a wrongful ganking, speak with a CVA diplomat before running to the first public forum you can find with your tale of woe. You will likely find CVA response a lot more positive in that context. Eve General forums is not the place to sort out a diplomatic fubar (if it was in fact a diplomatic fubar, and not an incomplete understanding of Providence ROE.) Hey if it is possible for you or any Severance / CVA members to answer a quick question regarding red standing. I'm wondering why would make a member become Killed On Sight for being in a corp that was once red as well. Would there be ways after which to be able to redeem neutrality? (I am, of course, terrible at explaining things or asking clear questions, I'll rephrase it best I can if need be) ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:48:00 - [32] Originally by: 5pinDizzy OP : Would you feel safe sitting in a cage with some lions if they'd just been fed? Yes. I'd feel safe if a bit scared(natural reaction) but safe none the less, otherwise what'd be the point of having a cage? But if the cage was broken due to poor quality and failed it's job to contain the lion and as a result I got bitten, then that's the cage manufacturer's responsibility. It has nothing to do with whether i should feel safe or not. After all, do you prepare for your own death whenever you visit a zoo? Poor analogy.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Ularg I'm wondering why would make a member become Killed On Sight for being in a corp that was once red as well. Would there be ways after which to be able to redeem neutrality? The only circumstances under which red status follows a pilot from one corp to the next are: if that red pilot leaves his/her red corp/alliance for an npc corp that red pilot joins another red organization that red pilot joins a neutral corporation/alliance but continues hostile activities in Providence. So, in short, you can most certainly redeem yourself. Talking to a CVA diplomat goes a long way...but since our standings are organizationally based, simply leaving a hostile organization for a not-hostile organization generally gets you off of our scope. However, all npc corp members' histories are checked against our KOS list (as joining an npc corp is the easiest way to take advantage of Providence NRDS rules). If the previous corp/alliance was red to CVA, that NPC corp pilot is still treated as red. Hope that answered the question.
StarFoox Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Morden Nok As it was explained earlier ingame to op, CVA and Holders judge NPC corp members by their previous corp. Originally by: Doctor Penguin Read ProvidenceBloc's material. IF YOU ARE IN AN NPC CORP, YOU ARE FREE GAME. Jeeze. Well, what is it? All npc corps red or judged by previous corp?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:51:00 - [35] Originally by: StarFoox All npc corps red or judged by previous corp? Judged by previous corp.
Jesuis Unesalope	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:58:00 - [36] Originally by: StarFoox Originally by: Morden Nok As it was explained earlier ingame to op, CVA and Holders judge NPC corp members by their previous corp. Originally by: Doctor Penguin Read ProvidenceBloc's material. IF YOU ARE IN AN NPC CORP, YOU ARE FREE GAME. Jeeze. Well, what is it? All npc corps red or judged by previous corp? Only way to be safe in there is be blue with them, don't count on NRDS and come whining here after you got podded.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Jesuis Unesalope Only way to be safe in there is be blue with them, don't count on NRDS and come whining here after you got podded. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe the only folks in Providence with actual blue standings with CVA are the other sov holding alliances in Providence. We absolutely want people to be able to count on NRDS; that's what makes Providence work. However, an understanding of the rules is critical, and apparently clarification was necessary in this instance.
Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Ularg I'm wondering why would make a member become Killed On Sight for being in a corp that was once red as well. Would there be ways after which to be able to redeem neutrality? The only circumstances under which red status follows a pilot from one corp to the next are: if that red pilot leaves his/her red corp/alliance for an npc corp that red pilot joins another red organization that red pilot joins a neutral corporation/alliance but continues hostile activities in Providence. So, in short, you can most certainly redeem yourself. Talking to a CVA diplomat goes a long way...but since our standings are organizationally based, simply leaving a hostile organization for a not-hostile organization generally gets you off of our scope. However, all npc corp members' histories are checked against our KOS list (as joining an npc corp is the easiest way to take advantage of Providence NRDS rules). If the previous corp/alliance was red to CVA, that NPC corp pilot is still treated as red. Hope that answered the question. Very appreciative, thank you. ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Angarad Edited by: Angarad on 30/06/2009 21:46:39 To set the record straight: 1) It was two of us who killed his Manticore. [1] 2) The Devoter decloaked the Manticore about one minute after he jumped into system. 3) The pod was killed by three, not four ships. [2] I would suggest learning the rules of the space you visit, and more important, learn how to fit the ships you fly. To anyone thinking about recruiting this pilot, be aware that he can't count and is prone to exaggerating the circumstances of his death...... So I guess getting podded in your space is my fault for not knowing/reading your rules, and talk about it afterward on forum I should be boycotted by every other corps in EVE.... coz i can't count lol, the kill mail is there for the public to see I don't pay much heed tbh and why'd I exaggerate? yeah podding a noob with 3 ships instead of 4 makes you so much awesomer. If there's anything positive coming out of this thread'd be CVA ppl clarifying on NRDS rules. But whether it can be maintained by Sev3rance remains to be seen judging from their harsh attitudes.
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:21:00 - [40] Another whine by yet another pirate-wannabe about how he got shot by CVA and/or company. And he must now cry on being killed unfairly :'( Oh the tears. Did you read their rules about their space before heading there on a Cov Ops ship with your undoubtedly good intentions? . From what I gather: 1. Your previous alliance is RED to CVA. 2. Their rules clearly state if you jump to NPC alliance from a RED alliance you remain RED. 3. You ignored/didnt read the rules. 4. You were probably up to no good anyway, they caught ya before hand and you now QQ for losing what you thought was your advantage. Why do these piwate types loath CVA so much? Enough to cause so many tears . They must be doing something right.
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:27:00 - [41] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 30/06/2009 22:32:08 By the way, what were you up to in NRDS space on stealth bomber with warp scrambler and ECM fitted? Praying? Poor you, you innocent thing... Getting r*ped by such savage, bad men :( Show us on this doll where these horrible monsters touched you.
Noix Arikani	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:29:00 - [42] inb4 the Hardin-smackdown
KiloAlpha Southern Cross Trilogy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:33:00 - [43] wait u were in a cloaky manticore and they caught u.....
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Matrix Skye Another whine by yet another pirate-wannabe about how he got shot by CVA and/or company. And he must now cry on being killed unfairly :'( Oh the tears. Did you read their rules about their space before heading there on a Cov Ops ship with your undoubtedly good intentions? . From what I gather: 1. Your previous alliance is RED to CVA. 2. Their rules clearly state if you jump to NPC alliance from a RED alliance you remain RED. 3. You ignored/didnt read the rules. 4. You were probably up to no good anyway, they caught ya before hand and you now QQ for losing what you thought was your advantage. Why do these piwate types loath CVA so much? Enough to cause so many tears . They must be doing something right. add note to self : READ up the 150 Alliance rules before entering their regions! any and everyone ever in the history of EVE got killed/podded by CVA/Sev3rance are pirates and up to no good AND deserve to die in fire and burn for eternity, and any further attempt to retold the event is nothing but QQ and general entertainment for CVA/Sev3rance. Thou shall not loath CVA and stf_u thank them for podding you, Amarr victor. Got it, thanks :)
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Raf'retouver add note to self : READ up the 150 Alliance rules before entering their regions! any and everyone ever in the history of EVE got killed/podded by CVA/Sev3rance are pirates and up to no good AND deserve to die in fire and burn for eternity, and any further attempt to retold the event is nothing but QQ and general entertainment for CVA/Sev3rance. Thou shall not loath CVA and stf_u thank them for podding you, Amarr victor. Got it, thanks :) No, just read the rules of those you are planning to go visit, especially in 0.0. Are you r*tarded? Or just on a vendetta because they ganked you before you ganked someone else?
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 30/06/2009 22:32:08 By the way, what were you up to in NRDS space on stealth bomber with warp scrambler and ECM fitted? Praying? Poor you, you innocent thing... Getting r*ped by such savage, bad men :( Show us on this doll where these horrible monsters touched you. trying my best to appease your hate and distrust for the unknown :) Reason I got a warp scrambler and ECM fitted on my manti was that's the only ship(and Buzzard) i can fly and deem possibly useful for my ex corp. I basically fit whatever i can and was asked for a gang op at the time. And i was kicked from the corp for not being useful/active enough, as they do loads of pvp ops in 0.0. So i fly around in the only useful ship i got with the old fit i had 30 or so jump to providence hoping to make some isk in relative safety and got podded. Go ahead and laugh at my misfortune/nubness, it's just so you know your assumption is way off and pathetic. Besides, Manticore isn't a solo boat, what exactly do you think it can kill?, let alone a salvager manticore lol... no body ever tell you that?
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:54:00 - [47] I can confirm that CVA 98% or better of the time do not shoot reds. I had been to there space many many times prior to a CVA pilot shooting at me one time after which instead of making a whine thread about it i bided my time and when i had my own corp left a trail of death in CVA space. The trail of death DID include pilots NOT actually in CVA. This could have been teh case with you as well on the behalf of another corp. (It should be noted however that myself and my corp have not been there in quite some time (read as years) so things may have changed but i doubt it them and UK have always been pretty friendly to neutrals just not to each other =) CVA space most of the time is safe for non-blues as long as your not red or have not been red. Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Ularg Originally by: Garreck Thank you, Lord Nok, for reaffirming my cynicism! For those who are still hoping to take something positive away from this thread: if you get ganked in Providence and you feel it was a wrongful ganking, speak with a CVA diplomat before running to the first public forum you can find with your tale of woe. You will likely find CVA response a lot more positive in that context. Eve General forums is not the place to sort out a diplomatic fubar (if it was in fact a diplomatic fubar, and not an incomplete understanding of Providence ROE.) Hey if it is possible for you or any Severance / CVA members to answer a quick question regarding red standing. I'm wondering why would make a member become Killed On Sight for being in a corp that was once red as well. Would there be ways after which to be able to redeem neutrality? (I am, of course, terrible at explaining things or asking clear questions, I'll rephrase it best I can if need be) In my experience they want obnoxious sums of isk. In our case they still want billions lol Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:57:00 - [49] One last thing, I've done pirating on my main before being bored, and ended me with -3 sec status. If I do not pirate will I not be killed on sight, or is the -status a que to kill on sight. I've been wanting to either fully pirate or work my sec status back up and do something else with my time, but I really havn't decided. And would hate to come into providence with a ratting ship to get killed by CVA. ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
04121982 Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:02:00 - [50] Edited by: 04121982 on 30/06/2009 23:05:47 Originally by: Matrix Skye .... No, just read the rules of those you are planning to go visit, especially in 0.0. Are you rtarded? Or just on a vendetta because they ganked you before you ganked someone else? QQ moar Your bitterness is overwhelming, give the guy a break. He's a newb and you're the rtard if you think a stealth bomber can gank anything solo after the change. another tearful CVA alt spotted*
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:13:00 - [51] Edited by: Garreck on 30/06/2009 23:15:19 Originally by: xOm3gAx In my experience they want obnoxious sums of isk. In our case they still want billions lol Organization-level redemption is indeed a different matter altogether, haha! Generally reparations for ships unlawfully killed in Providence (the more successful you were as our enemy the more rediculous this part can become ) and a public apology are the standard. Originally by: Ularg One last thing, I've done pirating on my main before being bored, and ended me with -3 sec status. If I do not pirate will I not be killed on sight, or is the -status a que to kill on sight. I've been wanting to either fully pirate or work my sec status back up and do something else with my time, but I really havn't decided. And would hate to come into providence with a ratting ship to get killed by CVA. Security status, while an indicator to an individual pilot to be wary, is not grounds for automatic Kill On Sight in Providence. Given the nature of CVA roleplay, we often engage our reds in lowsec and get sec status hits ourselves; we try to be careful about it but we've had CVA members hit outlaw status. Same for some of our allies.
Amarr Citizen20090214 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:14:00 - [52] Originally by: Ularg One last thing, I've done pirating on my main before being bored, and ended me with -3 sec status. If I do not pirate will I not be killed on sight, or is the -status a que to kill on sight. I've been wanting to either fully pirate or work my sec status back up and do something else with my time, but I really havn't decided. And would hate to come into providence with a ratting ship to get killed by CVA. Why bother going in providence? worst 0.0 region in eve, bad ores, no npc faction/station, over ratted by carebears they only put up NRDS rule to attract carebears and noobs so that they can break it lol.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:25:00 - [53] Originally by: Amarr Citizen20090214 they only put up NRDS rule to attract carebears and noobs so that they can break it lol. Yes. In fact, our treachery is precisely what facilitates the sheer volume of carebears over-ratting our space. Oh, wait. That would only work for about a day...
Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Amarr Citizen20090214 Originally by: Ularg One last thing, I've done pirating on my main before being bored, and ended me with -3 sec status. If I do not pirate will I not be killed on sight, or is the -status a que to kill on sight. I've been wanting to either fully pirate or work my sec status back up and do something else with my time, but I really havn't decided. And would hate to come into providence with a ratting ship to get killed by CVA. Why bother going in providence? worst 0.0 region in eve, bad ores, no npc faction/station, over ratted by carebears they only put up NRDS rule to attract carebears and noobs so that they can break it lol. It's a great taste of 0.0 and helps bring my sec status back up to empire requirements ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
Amarr Citizen20090214 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Amarr Citizen20090214 they only put up NRDS rule to attract carebears and noobs so that they can break it lol. Yes. In fact, our treachery is precisely what facilitates the sheer volume of carebears over-ratting our space. Oh, wait. That would only work for about a day... I guess it's like spreading grains around your front yard so you could shoot a few pigeons for the lulz out of the scores that keep coming to feed.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Raf'retouver So I guess getting podded in your space is my fault for not knowing/reading your rules, Erm, yes actually, it is. As a U'K pilot it's quite obvious to most that I am not a backer of CVA or its Empirical plans however even I won't stand by and watch stupidity take root when it is plainly your own fault. Of course it is down to you to read up on the rules pertaining to the space you wish to enter, to say otherwise is sheer stupidity. Instead of whining on here what you should do is insert RP here and go get some payback, whilst freeing some slaves of course
Varimatras deVolair Amarr I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:47:00 - [57] meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but as one of the parties involved, i say just this: -youre not such a noob, as you want to make us believe to -your corphistory speaks for herself -you seem to be a very unhappy guy, who want to be the man and start crying, when the things went into another direction, as wanted by youreself -youre still seem to be a very ignorant guy and also a lier, not just only because you cant count, you also just missed to tell the guys here that you spoke with our alliance co-ceo, who explained the whole situation and rules to you and the only thing you have to do, was still ignoring the facts and rules and opening this ******* thread and start whining, how unfair we are ( oh yes were such bastards, we folloed our rules and killed ya with 2 man, its the big bad provi blob you know ?! ), and that were nothin more than pirates who use our NRDS policy to catch such "noobs", like you. -the only goal youve reached is to blame youreself instead of us and our longtime and to most ppl known and accepted rules. o7 Vari
Amarr Citizen20090214 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Varimatras deVolair meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but as one of the parties involved, i say just this: -youre not such a noob, as you want to make us believe to -your corphistory speaks for herself -you seem to be a very unhappy guy, who want to be the man and start crying, when the things went into another direction, as wanted by youreself -youre still seem to be a very ignorant guy and also a lier, not just only because you cant count, you also just missed to tell the guys here that you spoke with our alliance co-ceo, who explained the whole situation and rules to you and the only thing you have to do, was still ignoring the facts and rules and opening this ******* thread and start whining, how unfair we are ( oh yes were such bastards, we folloed our rules and killed ya with 2 man, its the big bad provi blob you know ?! ), and that were nothin more than pirates who use our NRDS policy to catch such "noobs", like you. -the only goal youve reached is to blame youreself instead of us and our longtime and to most ppl known and accepted rules. o7 Vari Kepp the drama rolling and the bed spelting ! lulz
Irle R1	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Varimatras deVolair meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but ..... o7 Vari Thanks for clarifying the truth with us, you make Sev3 look real good. Who'd have guessed what your corp name stands for huh?
Princess Stefani Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:09:00 - [60] Edited by: Princess Stefani on 01/07/2009 00:10:48 Originally by: Varimatras deVolair stuff. funny how some carebears feel like they need to justify their own actions, as if they owe everyone an explanation coz we care deeply. pls keep this up, you're making your corp look like bunch of idiots (no pun intended \o/)

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