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Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:30:00 - [1] Edited by: Raf''retouver on 30/06/2009 20:41:33 This is purely a QQ thread so if you can't handle it feel free to join in. this happens under CVA and their friends righteous NRDS(no red don't shoot) rule in providence: 2009.06.30 19:18:00 Victim: Raf'retouver Corp: The Scope Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Capsule System: KBP7-G Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 128 Involved parties: Name: xxxxxxxxx (laid the final blow) Security: 3.2 Corp: I.D.I.O.T. Alliance: Sev3rance Faction: NONE Ship: Devoter Weapon: Heavy Pulse Laser II Damage Done: 128 and 3 others.... after they popped my failfit salvage manticore... I don't get it, why all the trouble for ''maintaining a peaceful blah blah in providence...'' good job Serv3rance for podding a noob in your own backyard when you're bored with carebearing. Watch out guys, NRDS is a trap!
Karaya Yi	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:31:00 - [2] Cry some more, El Solado.
Snasty Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:31:00 - [3] Oh this should be good.... Begin people, begin... --------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=-
Burning Horizon Rule Thy All	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:32:00 - [4] You want to know why? I'll tell you why 1) you were smack talking/ being a **** 2) Your last corp was red Stop whining and making 20 posts a day about CVA being pirates, they are not.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:32:00 - [5] Edited by: Raf''retouver on 30/06/2009 20:46:33 Originally by: Burning Horizon You want to know why? I'll tell you why 1) you were smack talking/ being a **** 2) Your last corp was red Stop whining and making 20 posts a day about CVA being pirates, they are not. Wrong, i didn't say a word in local, only trying to salvage some wrecks and keep my manti cloaked so i don't get scrammed by sansha frigs. then i got tracked and bubbled and podded. there's no one word exchanged in the whole process. There's no need to be so work up, i got my share of dying in low/null sec and it ain't really worth mentioning. I m just pointing out the hypocrite here and warn other unaware new players. no need to be so defensive lol.
Epegi Givo Amarr Moral Equivalent Of War	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:32:00 - [6] you could very easily be a scout-alt. come back in a ratting ship for them to know that you aren't an alt. ------------------------------------- My other alt is a Ferrari
WhiteSavage Gallente Altruism.	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:34:00 - [7] If anyone wants to kill you they can kill you. NRDS is merely a favor to carebears...
Mutnin Mutineers	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:38:00 - [8] Well Sev3rance is a Broserf of CVA not actually CVA. They do however have quite the history of shooting non reds and claiming you are a spy or scout. It happened to me in my little Punisher with some BPO's in it. Now I just extract my revenge when ever the opportunity presents it's self, by pirating in their space.
DrKuLa	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:41:00 - [9] Destroyed: Capsule System: KBP7-G Security: 0.0 An egg in 0.0 is always an invite for an Omelette dish
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:42:00 - [10] Edited by: Lindsay Logan on 30/06/2009 20:43:42 Another one of these whine threads? :/ IMO, CVA space is nice for neuts. I have been there several times, and its never a problem form the holders. In fact they are mostly good guys that answers questions in a polite way, and even help put if red attack you. You probartly deserved to be shot for reasons unknwon, that you probartly refrain form mentioning. Also, this is a poor poor attempt to discredit CVA, its been tried before, and fails all the time. As for Sever3nce, they are kinda trigger happy, and if you got shot and podded, go thorugh the proper channels CVA have in place, whining on the forum gets you no where.
Reneg Destir	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:44:00 - [11] Posting to say that I also have been victimized by Sev3rance for flimsy reasons. Stay clear of them and stay in CVA/Sylph Space is what I recommend.
qanatas Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:44:00 - [12] Very evil ppl in Providence, stay clear folks !
Farelle Gallente Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:45:00 - [13] NPC corp, what did you do? Where you salvaging wrecks without permission in your 'fail fit' salvage boat? Besides their space their rules.
StationSpinner	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Farelle NPC corp, what did you do? Where you salvaging wrecks without permission in your 'fail fit' salvage boat? Besides their space their rules. Moar like CCP's space, bonobo. Bonobo.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 20:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Farelle NPC corp, what did you do? Where you salvaging wrecks without permission in your 'fail fit' salvage boat? Besides their space their rules. I was wondering the same, but i haven't salvage any wrecks yet. Truth is i got podded after 10mins of arriving in providence, look at the system 7-G is one jump from high sec amarr. The trap sure sprang fast lol.
Shakari Sween Gallente freelancers inc	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:02:00 - [16] NRDS normaly excludes npc corps, due to spies and scouts etc, join a player corp and see what happens, but it could be they have set you as red too... Specialy with your history bad mouthing them and running to the fourms every time.... huh? oh its the signature!
Giant Container	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Mutnin Well Sev3rance is a Broserf of CVA not actually CVA. Some people like their boss.
Reprimander Failswarm	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Farelle NPC corp, what did you do? Where you salvaging wrecks without permission in your 'fail fit' salvage boat? Besides their space their rules. their rules state 'NRDS' and that includes noob corps
ThrashPower Gallente Sacred Templars Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:14:00 - [19] I would imagine they have all NPC corps are set RED.
StationSpinner	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:16:00 - [20] Originally by: ThrashPower I would imagine they have all NPC corps are set RED. Not Zoar and Sons! I bet they don't have a clue who they are! Mwahahaha
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Shakari Sween NRDS normaly excludes npc corps, due to spies and scouts etc, join a player corp and see what happens, but it could be they have set you as red too... Specialy with your history bad mouthing them and running to the fourms every time.... this is the first and only thread i made since i started this game. I have no quarrels with any of them and I don't know anyone in their alliances. I simply retold the event as it happened. No need to guess, i don't smack talk(or use local much for that matter), just a 6months old new player, one of the many checking out providence for a bit of 'high sec 0.0'' fun. It's not complicated :)
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:31:00 - [22] Hrrm. A CVA call-out thread where CVA was not involved in the kill. Already smelling like a grudge-post. I have often found (always found?) in circumstances such as these that about 80% of the story is missing in the OP. I'm sure this is no exception.
Jesuis Unesalope	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Mutnin Well Sev3rance is a Broserf of CVA not actually CVA. They do however have quite the history of shooting non reds and claiming you are a spy or scout. It happened to me in my little Punisher with some BPO's in it. Now I just extract my revenge when ever the opportunity presents it's self, by pirating in their space. Same here, I got shot in my Omen and they podded me was ratting with a friend but he got away lol.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:35:00 - [24] OP : Would you feel safe sitting in a cage with some lions if they'd just been fed?
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:36:00 - [25] As it was explained earlier ingame to op, CVA and Holders judge NPC corp members by their previous corp. OP's previous corp, Therapy. is member of KIA Alliance which is KOS to CVA. Ergo you were killed. Our ROE is explained quite clearly in our rules section.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Garreck Hrrm. A CVA call-out thread where CVA was not involved in the kill. Already smelling like a grudge-post. I have often found (always found?) in circumstances such as these that about 80% of the story is missing in the OP. I'm sure this is no exception. Because I was told it's a rule set up by CVA and everyone else in Providence abide to it, someone even gave me a link of their rules on NRDS. Seems to me they're the boss and i should address them along with Serv3rance in this matter.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:39:00 - [27] Thank you, Lord Nok, for reaffirming my cynicism! For those who are still hoping to take something positive away from this thread: if you get ganked in Providence and you feel it was a wrongful ganking, speak with a CVA diplomat before running to the first public forum you can find with your tale of woe. You will likely find CVA response a lot more positive in that context. Eve General forums is not the place to sort out a diplomatic fubar (if it was in fact a diplomatic fubar, and not an incomplete understanding of Providence ROE.)
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:41:00 - [28] Eve forums are great place for anyone to post about anything if they are unhappy. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Angarad Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:42:00 - [29] Edited by: Angarad on 30/06/2009 21:46:39 To set the record straight: 1) It was two of us who killed his Manticore. [1] 2) The Devoter decloaked the Manticore about one minute after he jumped into system. 3) The pod was killed by three, not four ships. [2] I would suggest learning the rules of the space you visit, and more important, learn how to fit the ships you fly. To anyone thinking about recruiting this pilot, be aware that he can't count and is prone to exaggerating the circumstances of his death. [1] http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3644007 [2] http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3644010
Doctor Penguin Amarr Heavy Influence Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:43:00 - [30] Read ProvidenceBloc's material. IF YOU ARE IN AN NPC CORP, YOU ARE FREE GAME. Jeeze. ________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Soundwave Get out Mindstar, or I'll punch you in the ovaries.
Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Garreck Thank you, Lord Nok, for reaffirming my cynicism! For those who are still hoping to take something positive away from this thread: if you get ganked in Providence and you feel it was a wrongful ganking, speak with a CVA diplomat before running to the first public forum you can find with your tale of woe. You will likely find CVA response a lot more positive in that context. Eve General forums is not the place to sort out a diplomatic fubar (if it was in fact a diplomatic fubar, and not an incomplete understanding of Providence ROE.) Hey if it is possible for you or any Severance / CVA members to answer a quick question regarding red standing. I'm wondering why would make a member become Killed On Sight for being in a corp that was once red as well. Would there be ways after which to be able to redeem neutrality? (I am, of course, terrible at explaining things or asking clear questions, I'll rephrase it best I can if need be) ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:48:00 - [32] Originally by: 5pinDizzy OP : Would you feel safe sitting in a cage with some lions if they'd just been fed? Yes. I'd feel safe if a bit scared(natural reaction) but safe none the less, otherwise what'd be the point of having a cage? But if the cage was broken due to poor quality and failed it's job to contain the lion and as a result I got bitten, then that's the cage manufacturer's responsibility. It has nothing to do with whether i should feel safe or not. After all, do you prepare for your own death whenever you visit a zoo? Poor analogy.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Ularg I'm wondering why would make a member become Killed On Sight for being in a corp that was once red as well. Would there be ways after which to be able to redeem neutrality? The only circumstances under which red status follows a pilot from one corp to the next are: if that red pilot leaves his/her red corp/alliance for an npc corp that red pilot joins another red organization that red pilot joins a neutral corporation/alliance but continues hostile activities in Providence. So, in short, you can most certainly redeem yourself. Talking to a CVA diplomat goes a long way...but since our standings are organizationally based, simply leaving a hostile organization for a not-hostile organization generally gets you off of our scope. However, all npc corp members' histories are checked against our KOS list (as joining an npc corp is the easiest way to take advantage of Providence NRDS rules). If the previous corp/alliance was red to CVA, that NPC corp pilot is still treated as red. Hope that answered the question.
StarFoox Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Morden Nok As it was explained earlier ingame to op, CVA and Holders judge NPC corp members by their previous corp. Originally by: Doctor Penguin Read ProvidenceBloc's material. IF YOU ARE IN AN NPC CORP, YOU ARE FREE GAME. Jeeze. Well, what is it? All npc corps red or judged by previous corp?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:51:00 - [35] Originally by: StarFoox All npc corps red or judged by previous corp? Judged by previous corp.
Jesuis Unesalope	Posted - 2009.06.30 21:58:00 - [36] Originally by: StarFoox Originally by: Morden Nok As it was explained earlier ingame to op, CVA and Holders judge NPC corp members by their previous corp. Originally by: Doctor Penguin Read ProvidenceBloc's material. IF YOU ARE IN AN NPC CORP, YOU ARE FREE GAME. Jeeze. Well, what is it? All npc corps red or judged by previous corp? Only way to be safe in there is be blue with them, don't count on NRDS and come whining here after you got podded.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Jesuis Unesalope Only way to be safe in there is be blue with them, don't count on NRDS and come whining here after you got podded. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe the only folks in Providence with actual blue standings with CVA are the other sov holding alliances in Providence. We absolutely want people to be able to count on NRDS; that's what makes Providence work. However, an understanding of the rules is critical, and apparently clarification was necessary in this instance.
Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Ularg I'm wondering why would make a member become Killed On Sight for being in a corp that was once red as well. Would there be ways after which to be able to redeem neutrality? The only circumstances under which red status follows a pilot from one corp to the next are: if that red pilot leaves his/her red corp/alliance for an npc corp that red pilot joins another red organization that red pilot joins a neutral corporation/alliance but continues hostile activities in Providence. So, in short, you can most certainly redeem yourself. Talking to a CVA diplomat goes a long way...but since our standings are organizationally based, simply leaving a hostile organization for a not-hostile organization generally gets you off of our scope. However, all npc corp members' histories are checked against our KOS list (as joining an npc corp is the easiest way to take advantage of Providence NRDS rules). If the previous corp/alliance was red to CVA, that NPC corp pilot is still treated as red. Hope that answered the question. Very appreciative, thank you. ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Angarad Edited by: Angarad on 30/06/2009 21:46:39 To set the record straight: 1) It was two of us who killed his Manticore. [1] 2) The Devoter decloaked the Manticore about one minute after he jumped into system. 3) The pod was killed by three, not four ships. [2] I would suggest learning the rules of the space you visit, and more important, learn how to fit the ships you fly. To anyone thinking about recruiting this pilot, be aware that he can't count and is prone to exaggerating the circumstances of his death...... So I guess getting podded in your space is my fault for not knowing/reading your rules, and talk about it afterward on forum I should be boycotted by every other corps in EVE.... coz i can't count lol, the kill mail is there for the public to see I don't pay much heed tbh and why'd I exaggerate? yeah podding a noob with 3 ships instead of 4 makes you so much awesomer. If there's anything positive coming out of this thread'd be CVA ppl clarifying on NRDS rules. But whether it can be maintained by Sev3rance remains to be seen judging from their harsh attitudes.
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:21:00 - [40] Another whine by yet another pirate-wannabe about how he got shot by CVA and/or company. And he must now cry on being killed unfairly :'( Oh the tears. Did you read their rules about their space before heading there on a Cov Ops ship with your undoubtedly good intentions? . From what I gather: 1. Your previous alliance is RED to CVA. 2. Their rules clearly state if you jump to NPC alliance from a RED alliance you remain RED. 3. You ignored/didnt read the rules. 4. You were probably up to no good anyway, they caught ya before hand and you now QQ for losing what you thought was your advantage. Why do these piwate types loath CVA so much? Enough to cause so many tears . They must be doing something right.
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:27:00 - [41] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 30/06/2009 22:32:08 By the way, what were you up to in NRDS space on stealth bomber with warp scrambler and ECM fitted? Praying? Poor you, you innocent thing... Getting r*ped by such savage, bad men :( Show us on this doll where these horrible monsters touched you.
Noix Arikani	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:29:00 - [42] inb4 the Hardin-smackdown
KiloAlpha Southern Cross Trilogy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:33:00 - [43] wait u were in a cloaky manticore and they caught u.....
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Matrix Skye Another whine by yet another pirate-wannabe about how he got shot by CVA and/or company. And he must now cry on being killed unfairly :'( Oh the tears. Did you read their rules about their space before heading there on a Cov Ops ship with your undoubtedly good intentions? . From what I gather: 1. Your previous alliance is RED to CVA. 2. Their rules clearly state if you jump to NPC alliance from a RED alliance you remain RED. 3. You ignored/didnt read the rules. 4. You were probably up to no good anyway, they caught ya before hand and you now QQ for losing what you thought was your advantage. Why do these piwate types loath CVA so much? Enough to cause so many tears . They must be doing something right. add note to self : READ up the 150 Alliance rules before entering their regions! any and everyone ever in the history of EVE got killed/podded by CVA/Sev3rance are pirates and up to no good AND deserve to die in fire and burn for eternity, and any further attempt to retold the event is nothing but QQ and general entertainment for CVA/Sev3rance. Thou shall not loath CVA and stf_u thank them for podding you, Amarr victor. Got it, thanks :)
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Raf'retouver add note to self : READ up the 150 Alliance rules before entering their regions! any and everyone ever in the history of EVE got killed/podded by CVA/Sev3rance are pirates and up to no good AND deserve to die in fire and burn for eternity, and any further attempt to retold the event is nothing but QQ and general entertainment for CVA/Sev3rance. Thou shall not loath CVA and stf_u thank them for podding you, Amarr victor. Got it, thanks :) No, just read the rules of those you are planning to go visit, especially in 0.0. Are you r*tarded? Or just on a vendetta because they ganked you before you ganked someone else?
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 30/06/2009 22:32:08 By the way, what were you up to in NRDS space on stealth bomber with warp scrambler and ECM fitted? Praying? Poor you, you innocent thing... Getting r*ped by such savage, bad men :( Show us on this doll where these horrible monsters touched you. trying my best to appease your hate and distrust for the unknown :) Reason I got a warp scrambler and ECM fitted on my manti was that's the only ship(and Buzzard) i can fly and deem possibly useful for my ex corp. I basically fit whatever i can and was asked for a gang op at the time. And i was kicked from the corp for not being useful/active enough, as they do loads of pvp ops in 0.0. So i fly around in the only useful ship i got with the old fit i had 30 or so jump to providence hoping to make some isk in relative safety and got podded. Go ahead and laugh at my misfortune/nubness, it's just so you know your assumption is way off and pathetic. Besides, Manticore isn't a solo boat, what exactly do you think it can kill?, let alone a salvager manticore lol... no body ever tell you that?
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:54:00 - [47] I can confirm that CVA 98% or better of the time do not shoot reds. I had been to there space many many times prior to a CVA pilot shooting at me one time after which instead of making a whine thread about it i bided my time and when i had my own corp left a trail of death in CVA space. The trail of death DID include pilots NOT actually in CVA. This could have been teh case with you as well on the behalf of another corp. (It should be noted however that myself and my corp have not been there in quite some time (read as years) so things may have changed but i doubt it them and UK have always been pretty friendly to neutrals just not to each other =) CVA space most of the time is safe for non-blues as long as your not red or have not been red. Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Ularg Originally by: Garreck Thank you, Lord Nok, for reaffirming my cynicism! For those who are still hoping to take something positive away from this thread: if you get ganked in Providence and you feel it was a wrongful ganking, speak with a CVA diplomat before running to the first public forum you can find with your tale of woe. You will likely find CVA response a lot more positive in that context. Eve General forums is not the place to sort out a diplomatic fubar (if it was in fact a diplomatic fubar, and not an incomplete understanding of Providence ROE.) Hey if it is possible for you or any Severance / CVA members to answer a quick question regarding red standing. I'm wondering why would make a member become Killed On Sight for being in a corp that was once red as well. Would there be ways after which to be able to redeem neutrality? (I am, of course, terrible at explaining things or asking clear questions, I'll rephrase it best I can if need be) In my experience they want obnoxious sums of isk. In our case they still want billions lol Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 22:57:00 - [49] One last thing, I've done pirating on my main before being bored, and ended me with -3 sec status. If I do not pirate will I not be killed on sight, or is the -status a que to kill on sight. I've been wanting to either fully pirate or work my sec status back up and do something else with my time, but I really havn't decided. And would hate to come into providence with a ratting ship to get killed by CVA. ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
04121982 Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:02:00 - [50] Edited by: 04121982 on 30/06/2009 23:05:47 Originally by: Matrix Skye .... No, just read the rules of those you are planning to go visit, especially in 0.0. Are you rtarded? Or just on a vendetta because they ganked you before you ganked someone else? QQ moar Your bitterness is overwhelming, give the guy a break. He's a newb and you're the rtard if you think a stealth bomber can gank anything solo after the change. another tearful CVA alt spotted*
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:13:00 - [51] Edited by: Garreck on 30/06/2009 23:15:19 Originally by: xOm3gAx In my experience they want obnoxious sums of isk. In our case they still want billions lol Organization-level redemption is indeed a different matter altogether, haha! Generally reparations for ships unlawfully killed in Providence (the more successful you were as our enemy the more rediculous this part can become ) and a public apology are the standard. Originally by: Ularg One last thing, I've done pirating on my main before being bored, and ended me with -3 sec status. If I do not pirate will I not be killed on sight, or is the -status a que to kill on sight. I've been wanting to either fully pirate or work my sec status back up and do something else with my time, but I really havn't decided. And would hate to come into providence with a ratting ship to get killed by CVA. Security status, while an indicator to an individual pilot to be wary, is not grounds for automatic Kill On Sight in Providence. Given the nature of CVA roleplay, we often engage our reds in lowsec and get sec status hits ourselves; we try to be careful about it but we've had CVA members hit outlaw status. Same for some of our allies.
Amarr Citizen20090214 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:14:00 - [52] Originally by: Ularg One last thing, I've done pirating on my main before being bored, and ended me with -3 sec status. If I do not pirate will I not be killed on sight, or is the -status a que to kill on sight. I've been wanting to either fully pirate or work my sec status back up and do something else with my time, but I really havn't decided. And would hate to come into providence with a ratting ship to get killed by CVA. Why bother going in providence? worst 0.0 region in eve, bad ores, no npc faction/station, over ratted by carebears they only put up NRDS rule to attract carebears and noobs so that they can break it lol.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:25:00 - [53] Originally by: Amarr Citizen20090214 they only put up NRDS rule to attract carebears and noobs so that they can break it lol. Yes. In fact, our treachery is precisely what facilitates the sheer volume of carebears over-ratting our space. Oh, wait. That would only work for about a day...
Ularg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Amarr Citizen20090214 Originally by: Ularg One last thing, I've done pirating on my main before being bored, and ended me with -3 sec status. If I do not pirate will I not be killed on sight, or is the -status a que to kill on sight. I've been wanting to either fully pirate or work my sec status back up and do something else with my time, but I really havn't decided. And would hate to come into providence with a ratting ship to get killed by CVA. Why bother going in providence? worst 0.0 region in eve, bad ores, no npc faction/station, over ratted by carebears they only put up NRDS rule to attract carebears and noobs so that they can break it lol. It's a great taste of 0.0 and helps bring my sec status back up to empire requirements ___________________________________ "There must be some way out of here..."
Amarr Citizen20090214 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Amarr Citizen20090214 they only put up NRDS rule to attract carebears and noobs so that they can break it lol. Yes. In fact, our treachery is precisely what facilitates the sheer volume of carebears over-ratting our space. Oh, wait. That would only work for about a day... I guess it's like spreading grains around your front yard so you could shoot a few pigeons for the lulz out of the scores that keep coming to feed.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Raf'retouver So I guess getting podded in your space is my fault for not knowing/reading your rules, Erm, yes actually, it is. As a U'K pilot it's quite obvious to most that I am not a backer of CVA or its Empirical plans however even I won't stand by and watch stupidity take root when it is plainly your own fault. Of course it is down to you to read up on the rules pertaining to the space you wish to enter, to say otherwise is sheer stupidity. Instead of whining on here what you should do is insert RP here and go get some payback, whilst freeing some slaves of course
Varimatras deVolair Amarr I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:47:00 - [57] meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but as one of the parties involved, i say just this: -youre not such a noob, as you want to make us believe to -your corphistory speaks for herself -you seem to be a very unhappy guy, who want to be the man and start crying, when the things went into another direction, as wanted by youreself -youre still seem to be a very ignorant guy and also a lier, not just only because you cant count, you also just missed to tell the guys here that you spoke with our alliance co-ceo, who explained the whole situation and rules to you and the only thing you have to do, was still ignoring the facts and rules and opening this ******* thread and start whining, how unfair we are ( oh yes were such bastards, we folloed our rules and killed ya with 2 man, its the big bad provi blob you know ?! ), and that were nothin more than pirates who use our NRDS policy to catch such "noobs", like you. -the only goal youve reached is to blame youreself instead of us and our longtime and to most ppl known and accepted rules. o7 Vari
Amarr Citizen20090214 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Varimatras deVolair meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but as one of the parties involved, i say just this: -youre not such a noob, as you want to make us believe to -your corphistory speaks for herself -you seem to be a very unhappy guy, who want to be the man and start crying, when the things went into another direction, as wanted by youreself -youre still seem to be a very ignorant guy and also a lier, not just only because you cant count, you also just missed to tell the guys here that you spoke with our alliance co-ceo, who explained the whole situation and rules to you and the only thing you have to do, was still ignoring the facts and rules and opening this ******* thread and start whining, how unfair we are ( oh yes were such bastards, we folloed our rules and killed ya with 2 man, its the big bad provi blob you know ?! ), and that were nothin more than pirates who use our NRDS policy to catch such "noobs", like you. -the only goal youve reached is to blame youreself instead of us and our longtime and to most ppl known and accepted rules. o7 Vari Kepp the drama rolling and the bed spelting ! lulz
Irle R1	Posted - 2009.06.30 23:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Varimatras deVolair meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but ..... o7 Vari Thanks for clarifying the truth with us, you make Sev3 look real good. Who'd have guessed what your corp name stands for huh?
Princess Stefani Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:09:00 - [60] Edited by: Princess Stefani on 01/07/2009 00:10:48 Originally by: Varimatras deVolair stuff. funny how some carebears feel like they need to justify their own actions, as if they owe everyone an explanation coz we care deeply. pls keep this up, you're making your corp look like bunch of idiots (no pun intended \o/)
Varimatras deVolair Amarr I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Princess Stefani Edited by: Princess Stefani on 01/07/2009 00:10:48 funny how some carebears feel like they need to justify their own actions, as if they owe everyone an explanation coz we care deeply. pls keep this up, you're making your corp look like bunch of idiots (no pun intended \o/) obviously is was my intention to clarify the situation as a partie involved. Carebears? where? i hope you dont meant me, as the 2 month old npc corp toon you are...and just by the way, if we look like a bunch of idiots, it may be better for us, coz we get underestimated/looking like carebears and easy kills and so we will get more targets to shoot at :)
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:25:00 - [62] Originally by: Amarr Citizen20090214 Originally by: Varimatras deVolair meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but as one of the parties involved, i say just this: -youre not such a noob, as you want to make us believe to -your corphistory speaks for herself -you seem to be a very unhappy guy, who want to be the man and start crying, when the things went into another direction, as wanted by youreself -youre still seem to be a very ignorant guy and also a lier, not just only because you cant count, you also just missed to tell the guys here that you spoke with our alliance co-ceo, who explained the whole situation and rules to you and the only thing you have to do, was still ignoring the facts and rules and opening this ******* thread and start whining, how unfair we are ( oh yes were such bastards, we folloed our rules and killed ya with 2 man, its the big bad provi blob you know ?! ), and that were nothin more than pirates who use our NRDS policy to catch such "noobs", like you. -the only goal youve reached is to blame youreself instead of us and our longtime and to most ppl known and accepted rules. o7 Vari Kepp the drama rolling and the bed spelting ! lulz Because when logic fails you, you could always make fun of his English not being his first language. This thread shall now be on what bad spellers CVA and company are! GO!
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:35:00 - [63] Edited by: Raf''retouver on 01/07/2009 00:36:25 Originally by: Varimatras deVolair meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but as one of the parties involved, i say just this: -youre not such a noob, as you want to make us believe to -your corphistory speaks for herself -you seem to be a very unhappy guy, who want to be the man and start crying, when the things went into another direction, as wanted by youreself -youre still seem to be a very ignorant guy and also a lier, not just only because you cant count, you also just missed to tell the guys here that you spoke with our alliance co-ceo, who explained the whole situation and rules to you and the only thing you have to do, was still ignoring the facts and rules and opening this ******* thread and start whining, how unfair we are ( oh yes were such bastards, we folloed our rules and killed ya with 2 man, its the big bad provi blob you know ?! ), and that were nothin more than pirates who use our NRDS policy to catch such "noobs", like you. -the only goal youve reached is to blame youreself instead of us and our longtime and to most ppl known and accepted rules. o7 Vari I'll rest my case, if it make you feel better... I am the bad @ss pirate and was up to no good then.... It seems like i stirred a hornet's nest...it's not worth it... Why I AM the one who got podded yet others're crying is beyond me... Let it rest guys, it's my own fault. Srsly, my first thread on this forum doesn't deserve 3 pages of replies......
Irle R1	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Varimatras deVolair ....(rap..... so we will get more targets to shoot at :) Like shooting noobs in NRDS \o/
04121982 Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.07.01 00:50:00 - [65] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Amarr Citizen20090214 Originally by: Varimatras deVolair meh, i dont wanted to reply here, but as one of the parties involved, i say just this: -youre not such a noob, as you want to make us believe to -your corphistory speaks for herself -you seem to be a very unhappy guy, who want to be the man and start crying, when the things went into another direction, as wanted by youreself -youre still seem to be a very ignorant guy and also a lier, not just only because you cant count, you also just missed to tell the guys here that you spoke with our alliance co-ceo, who explained the whole situation and rules to you and the only thing you have to do, was still ignoring the facts and rules and opening this ******* thread and start whining, how unfair we are ( oh yes were such bastards, we folloed our rules and killed ya with 2 man, its the big bad provi blob you know ?! ), and that were nothin more than pirates who use our NRDS policy to catch such "noobs", like you. -the only goal youve reached is to blame youreself instead of us and our longtime and to most ppl known and accepted rules. o7 Vari Kepp the drama rolling and the bed spelting ! lulz Because when logic fails you, you could always make fun of his English not being his first language. This thread shall now be on what bad spellers CVA and company are! GO! Too ballsy to post with your CVA/serv3 main no doubt? hey what are those you just dropped!? it's A PAIR OF BALLS!''
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.01 01:21:00 - [66] As this is an OOC forum, I'll just say that (1) Sev was entirely justified in shooting you. When a space holder sees a formerly hostile (yet currently neutral) stealth bomber trying to make their way into their territory, the first logical thought is going to be "this guy is out to pop our miners/ratters", since bombers aren't a traditional ratting/mining ship. (2) Even if they had gone through the effort to scan your "failfit manticore", I doubt that knowing that you were actually set up as a ninja looter would have improved the situation any. (3) As to the speculation regarding the OP's noob status, I have to point out that stealth bombers are nearly ideal for running blockades, yet he managed to lose his to a group of IDIOTS. 'Nuff said. :) (4) In any case, anyone who has to resort to "They shot a neutral spy" as evidence that the entirety of the ProviBlock are ebil bastages needs to do just a little more research. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.01 01:37:00 - [67] Funny. I frequently go around provi space with my Zero-Zero Noob-corp-alt, circling gates as a scout. Every time i have been at threat of CVA killing her on suspect of being a spy, i am given fair warning (1-3 minutes to move on / clarify status) before they pursue her aggressively. I have also had my corporation set red a while back due to our brief membership in a Pro-U'K alliance (Which we left shortly after they became "Pro-U'k") and a trigger happy member who was kicked shortly after. Everything was sorted in a timely manner and apologies were extended for the loss of a couple of cruisers due to us not knowing we were red, we got set back to neutral and i've never once been shot since. I guess you're just an idiot then, OP. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.07.01 01:39:00 - [68] Originally by: 04121982 Too ballsy to post with your CVA/serv3 main no doubt? hey what are those you just dropped!? it's A PAIR OF BALLS!'' Said the alt to the other alt.
stupid flanders The 0ri Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.01 02:02:00 - [69] Edited by: stupid flanders on 01/07/2009 02:02:18 Originally by: Matrix Skye Show us on this doll where these horrible monsters touched you. not much on these forums actually makes me laugh out oud but that did it.
cBOLTSON	Posted - 2009.07.01 02:04:00 - [70] Edited by: cBOLTSON on 01/07/2009 02:05:43 Ok, does anyone else thik this thread is just plain funny? Just to let you know, CVA and friends do a relativly good job at keeping their space NRDS/NOOB friendly. But if you get killed though luck. Besides its fun to go and play in CVA space! (pew pew )
Minmatar Assassin Minmatar Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.07.01 02:10:00 - [71] Edited by: Minmatar Assassin on 01/07/2009 02:11:07 Sev3rance NRDS tactic is simple some of PVP type. Target comes to NRDS space feeling about that and doesn't starts shooting. These delay confuse him, 'couse NRDS keepers opens fire first and gets better chance to win fight. To Raf'retouver - 'You not the first and not the last.' With all respect to RP of CVA, - our pets are cheating your roleplaying. Bad....
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.01 08:47:00 - [72] Originally by: Blane Xero Funny. I frequently go around provi space with my Zero-Zero Noob-corp-alt, circling gates as a scout. Every time i have been at threat of CVA killing her on suspect of being a spy, i am given fair warning (1-3 minutes to move on / clarify status) before they pursue her aggressively. I have also had my corporation set red a while back due to our brief membership in a Pro-U'K alliance (Which we left shortly after they became "Pro-U'k") and a trigger happy member who was kicked shortly after. Everything was sorted in a timely manner and apologies were extended for the loss of a couple of cruisers due to us not knowing we were red, we got set back to neutral and i've never once been shot since. I guess you're just an idiot then, OP. If you've read all my previous post, then you should know my intention and attitude was quite clear : 1/ This IS a QQ thread(stated on first line of OP) just like 90% of the threads on forum, so that abusive persons like you can have a chance to attack someone and get off on it. 2/ I choose to post on forum, since after talking to a Serv3rance alliance head he basically told me ''tough luck and f-off'' 3/ If I don't agree/understand with certain rules, I bring it to awareness as other players might have/still will suffer the same faith(as it turn out there are.) 4/ I understand the aggressiveness from certain Serv3 toons/alts as this thread no doubt put them under spot light and exposing their hypocrisy 5/ To prevent this subject from escalating, I've admitted my own nubness and failure to read their rules before hand. But you don't seem to understand what really happened, calling me an idiot is the perfect proof for that. My ship was spotted and tracked then bubbled 10mins after i arrived in providence(to support my claim, 7-G is one jump from high sec Amarr) there is no question, no warning, and as i mentioned before no convo exchanged in local, before i can react/ask for reason I was already in another system's station, in my new clone. It occurred to me that I might be the victim of some trigger happy/bored Serv3 members who're actively looking for targets. So you did the same thing in the past huh? even openly admitting scouting/spying frequently and you still got a warning and time to leave? and you even got compensated 'couple of your cruisers'? good for you. Well i didn't have your luck, you should turn full time providence spy/scout tbh.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.07.01 08:56:00 - [73] This may be a precedence-setting thread. I can't remember the last time so many U-K pilots came to the defense of CVA. I think that really says something about the OP's case. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
DarthMopp Gallente I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.07.01 08:59:00 - [74] Vari, no need to justify your actions here. We acted within the Holders ROE. Our fellow CVA Pilots alread stated why Raf'retrouver was being shot and podded. If you, Raf'retrouver, need any more explanations feel free to convo me ingame. "Alea iacta est"
Unholy Martyr Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:00:00 - [75] CVA should keep their pets in check NRDS = biggest noob luring scam lol
Amarr Citizen20090214 Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.07.01 09:07:00 - [76] Originally by: Raf'retouver .... before i can react/ask for reason I was already in another system's station, in my new clone. It occurred to me that I might be the victim of some trigger happy/bored Serv3 members who're actively looking for targets. Pretty obvious aint it
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO	Posted - 2009.07.01 11:25:00 - [77] Edited by: Morel Nova on 01/07/2009 11:25:45 About -7-, as someone who has had dealings with them over the years I'd like to warn that they are a bunch of honorless dogs who do pretty much whatever they want and hide behind NRDS "exceptions" and CVA diplos. Its not without reason they are often called CVA's "proxy pirates". What really opened my eyes was them joining in on an attack on our pirate corp led by CVA while we had mutual blue status. stabbing from the back like the cowards they are of course. There have also been numerous other transgressions I wont need mention here. On a sidenote, I have always found CVA honorable and fair. Put in space whales!
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2009.07.01 12:13:00 - [78] CVA is in no way a "NRDS" alliance lol. Stop, hammer time.
Jones Bones Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.01 12:45:00 - [79] CVA have been doing what they do for years and everytime one of you tards comes in here with some epic story of being ganked one of their reps shows up to explain why. Stop crying like a little *****. =================== Go Bucks!
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.07.01 13:58:00 - [80] Sev. have a well deserved rep for playing loose with NRDS, the simple solution is to avoid their space. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO	Posted - 2009.07.01 14:27:00 - [81] Edited by: Morel Nova on 01/07/2009 14:28:16 Originally by: RedSplat Sev. have a well deserved rep for playing loose with NRDS, the simple solution is to avoid their space. if by "playing loose" you mean pumping it full of drugs and sending it off to vegas with a kleptomaniac clown called Uncle PepT then yes, thats pretty accurate Put in space whales!
Zim Zimmerson	Posted - 2009.07.01 15:34:00 - [82] Edited by: Zim Zimmerson on 01/07/2009 15:35:27 My experience is that CVA is legit. You can get some great kills on them if you're a new player / new corporation. They will look for "red" in the zone and if they see any they'll run and hide (and/or blob the exits) but if you're not red, then it's like one big happy family and we managed to get a few really nice kills before they caught on and marked us red. Also, KBP7-G is Severance space, not CVA. I guess they're related and doing the same basic deal but it's still not "CVA". I would actually greatly encourage newbies to check out CVA space. If you are really a newbie and want to go find some people who will let you play with them in 0.0 without a lot of paranoia or requirements to join, go check out the Providence area, probably starting with G-5EN2. I say this not because I am interested in helping you so much as because more newbies in that area would give us more targets to catch unaware and blow up. CVA is what they say they are, though.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.01 16:08:00 - [83] If CVA and Sev3rance were into the habit of 'shooting pigeons' and killing off people in noob corps etc. You would have thought that they would kill the Maruders, Freighters, Faction Battleships, Orcas etc. that I have seen quite a few of in Providence rather than picking off Bantams, Punishers and Manticores.
Jesuis Unesalope	Posted - 2009.07.01 16:28:00 - [84] Originally by: RedSplat Sev. have a well deserved rep for playing loose with NRDS, the simple solution is to avoid their space. that
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.01 17:53:00 - [85] Always interesting to see the varied opinions on CVA from friend and foe alike. I would hazard a guess that those foes who have bitter feelings towards CVA (and it's interesting to note that not all of our enemies do) are folks who have in some way or another thought they could exploit the "Not Red Don't Shoot" rules of engagement to get away with some easy kills...only to find that we've been at this for years and have tweaked our rules of engagement accordingly. Upon getting blown away and then finding out that the Providence community was a step ahead of said offender because we've thought our rules of engagement out better than most people think a "carebear" community can do, the offender carries his grudge to the forum for the rest of his days. What's sad about that is simply getting kills in our space as an out-and-out red with even mildly decent combat/evasion skills is 100% easier than trying to find an exploitable hole in our ROE. If you want to come to our space and get kills, just do it. Trying to get fancy with rules generally doesn't end well.
thion li g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.07.01 19:05:00 - [86] CVA is the most disorganized Alliance I have ever seen, it really makes me wonder how they got a Constellation Capital sometimes.
Amber Saint Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.01 19:11:00 - [87] Edited by: Amber Saint on 01/07/2009 19:12:24 Originally by: thion li CVA is the most disorganized Alliance I have ever seen, it really makes me wonder how they got a Constellation Capital sometimes. Imperial Republic Of the North CVA is probably one of the most succesful alliances in eve in their own respect, they're responsible for making the funnest region to roam to in eve
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.01 19:19:00 - [88] IRON calling out CVA on being disorganised? Forgotten last months news already? In all seriousness, in my personal experience of pirating in Providence for over a year now, CVA are a well-respected foe and are very organised.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.07.01 20:11:00 - [89] It's 0.0. Everyone is a threat, nobody is your friend. NBSI, NRDS, it all means the same thing. If you're not a known quantity, you're very likely to be dead. And even if you ARE, you're still pretty likely to end up that way. Killboard - Declarations of War Podcast
Kristina Trepkas Amarr The Light Of Other Days	Posted - 2009.07.01 21:43:00 - [90] Originally by: Morden Nok As it was explained earlier ingame to op, CVA and Holders judge NPC corp members by their previous corp. OP's previous corp, Therapy. is member of KIA Alliance which is KOS to CVA. Ergo you were killed. Our ROE is explained quite clearly in our rules section. KOS by extension I believe you role-players call it. And it's not your space, it's CCP's which they allow you the privilege of using. Furthermore, you have local to rely on to keep your "pirates dressed up as police safe". We'll see how high and mighty you are when it eventually gets removed from 0.0
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.01 21:49:00 - [91] Edited by: Intense Thinker on 01/07/2009 21:49:36 I couldn't join CVA or any holders because every corp I've ever been in is -10 to them I tried, I totally want to change my evil ways.. sorry but piracy gets boring after 2 years of nothing but Inappropriate content removed. Please keep signature EVE related. Zymurgist
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.01 22:18:00 - [92] I don't speak for CVA but if you join the Amarr Miltia for a month or two it's a good way to show your commitment to their cause. You could also join a non-holder alliance that lives in providence then apply to a holder corp after showing them what you can do for Providencde, not like they have strict recruitment pratices.... Best way would be to contact one of their recruitment officers or w/e
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.01 22:51:00 - [93] Originally by: Kristina Trepkas We'll see how high and mighty you are when it eventually gets removed from 0.0 I, for one, will be utterly dilerious to see local go away. Local's too easy. I can't wait to pit my scanner awareness against my enemy's.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.02 00:10:00 - [94] Originally by: Garreck Always interesting to see the varied opinions on CVA from friend and foe alike. I would hazard a guess that those foes who have bitter feelings towards CVA (and it's interesting to note that not all of our enemies do) are folks who have in some way or another thought they could exploit the "Not Red Don't Shoot" rules of engagement to get away with some easy kills...only to find that we've been at this for years and have tweaked our rules of engagement accordingly. Upon getting blown away and then finding out that the Providence community was a step ahead of said offender because we've thought our rules of engagement out better than most people think a "carebear" community can do, the offender carries his grudge to the forum for the rest of his days. What's sad about that is simply getting kills in our space as an out-and-out red with even mildly decent combat/evasion skills is 100% easier than trying to find an exploitable hole in our ROE. If you want to come to our space and get kills, just do it. Trying to get fancy with rules generally doesn't end well. If there's anything good out of this tread is that ppl're more aware of the 'fine prints' under NRDS and your policy, thanks to your objectiveness and calm manner in explaining - a stark contrast to those of Serv3rance. And I thought you were descent. But now, you're just being a ret*rd. How many times do I have to clarify that i am not a pirate and was just salvaging, (my fitting, the location that i was killed, and the fact flying solo in a paper thin gang oriented ship) ? If i got podded unaware of the rules FINE, that's my own fault. But what do you gain by insisting that I am a pirate/must up to no good/got caught before i can commit evil coz that's just what everyone ever got killed under NRDS surely been planning. You are clearly incapable of thinking objectively(or at all for that matter) : -you accused this thread of being another anti-CVA campaign and i should've go thru your diplo for a 'generally more positive outcome'. Has it occur to you that bringing it to forum is precisely coz your diplo failed to handle this matter competently? -While i simply retold the event and raising the issue that unaware pilots can still be killed under your NRDS rule. You and your cronies reacted with nothing but hostility as if i was asking for any kind of compensation/apology, was I? NO. it sucks being put under the spot light but if you can't handle simple facts and public opinions then maybe you're not a diplo material afterall. -I rest my case long ago, yet you kept on your effort to ''maintain'' CVA reputation doing so everytime by smear the victim even darker....to a point the victim became the offender?? lol Your would-be-pirate bashing propaganda is over killed, it has achieved nothing but show how a bunch of self righteous pri(ks that CVA are. People like you should really work in law enforcement irl, coz you just know who's up-to-no-good...YOU KNOW WHAT OTHERS DON'T!, go get all the bad guys before they commit crimes and make the world a better place. p.s. If attacking and demeaning others is your way to a diplomatic solution, then you really should step the f down.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.07.02 00:16:00 - [95] Originally by: thion li CVA is the most disorganized Alliance I have ever seen, it really makes me wonder how they got a Constellation Capital sometimes. Nothing you say is applicable to CVA. They do however have some **ing terrible pets, or as they prefer to be called, Sov. Holders. Sure, so do many established, fairly static powerblocs, but Providence by nature of NRDS and being 0.0 on easy mode seems to channel the shortbus. Originally by:** CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Brechan Skene	Posted - 2009.07.02 00:49:00 - [96] To Whom it may concern, If I wanted to rat in Providence,whom do I have to contact with CVA and their friends to get the rules concerning NRDS(no red don't shoot) whilst ratting in providence? Thanks Brechan
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.02 01:04:00 - [97] Again, not CVA but I can help you there. http://cva-eve.org/kos/ You can use this (ingame and out) to check if your alliance/corp is KOS. If your alliance/corp isn't on the list then you should be fine. CVA-Diplo channel ingame, you can contact a cva diplomat there and just make sure you are not KOS. You can ask other questions you may have there. http://cva-eve.org/ theres some good information for you on here as well, rules of providence, some FAQs etc.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.02 01:58:00 - [98] Raf'retouver, It doesn't matter if you were flying a Industrial or a Combat Recon, you are a security concern to them because your previous organisation was KOS. You can plead all day that you wern't combat fit, wern't planning on killing anyone etc. it won't matter to them because they followed their own rules and policies which are publically viewable. Unfortunatly you should have talked to a Diplomat / Checked out the rules beforehand. Did you join the channel CVA-Diplo and talk with them there? I agree that Sev3rance has a few bad apples as diplomats who insist on trolling and being inpolite rather than trying their best at diplomacy. Rest of it is just you repeating the same stuff just with personal attacks thrown in. You are not going to get anything reimbursed by them. The only thing I personally could see them doing better was warning you to leave. Another friendly tip; you should use a covert ops cloak on the manticore, not an improved one. A covops cloak uses 10 less CPU with the manticores bonus, and is much better in everyway as you can warp cloaked, and don't have a scan resolution penaltry. I'm not a CVA diplomat btw, just someone who has pirated in their space for about a year. So know alot when it comes to their ROE etc.
Talerco Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.07.02 04:34:00 - [99] Sir, I love your tears.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.02 05:46:00 - [100] In other news, earlier today I watched a noob corp afk pilot his Iteron V through the entirety of Sev space without a scratch. But yeah, pirates in NRDS clothing those angry germans be. Quick question though, why did your salvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? Was it to prevent the salvage from warping away?
Zuhlaetah	Posted - 2009.07.02 08:34:00 - [101] Quote: Judged by previous corp. This is quite interesting. How do you track hundreds (if not more) of names like that? Just by setting their status or you got an IGB database? Quote: But whether it can be maintained by Sev3rance remains to be seen judging from their harsh attitudes. They owe you nothing, expecially in their home. If they want to be harsh, they are harsh. If they want you to dance with a ball on your nose, you dance with a ball on your nose or GTFO. Quote: Your would-be-pirate bashing propaganda is over killed, it has achieved nothing but show how a bunch of self righteous pri(ks that CVA are. They roleplay Amarr, what do you expect? Quote: Quick question though, why did your salvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? Was it to prevent the salvage from warping away? This prompts for a question: is there also a policy on what modules an unknown has to use? IE is having a scram = KOS?
Hinkledolph Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.07.02 08:49:00 - [102] I was shot at by CVA as well once
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.02 09:15:00 - [103] Originally by: Zuhlaetah [ Quote: Quick question though, why did your salvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? Was it to prevent the salvage from warping away? This prompts for a question: is there also a policy on what modules an unknown has to use? IE is having a scram = KOS? No there's no rule like that at all. In fact, it's not unheard of for neuts/unknowns to join in with CVA in defending Providence against its many transgressors, so there's no real problem with anyone having PVP gear. I'm just saying - a scrambler is kind of odd to have on a "salvaging" ship.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.02 09:39:00 - [104] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza ....why did yoursalvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? I've explained in my previous post that, it really isn't helpful if you don't read everything before posting, and continue the discussion in circles based on half facts.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.02 09:41:00 - [105] Originally by: Suitonia You are not going to get anything reimbursed by them. The only thing I personally could see them doing better was warning you to leave. I never asked for reimbursement nor was I expecting any. Merely bringing the issue to public via forum-and as a result positive opinions come from people like you, as you put it, things could've been done better by giving a simple warning. But it won't happen if all they want is to portrait me as a bad as$ pirate,and continue with their 'legitimate piracy' hiding behind NRDS. Originally by: Zuhlaetah ..They owe you nothing, expecially in their home. If they want to be harsh, they are harsh. If they want you to dance with a ball on your nose, you dance with a ball on your nose or GTFO. You missed the point, this is not just any 0.0 space trespassing and leave your fate to luck. They carry the NRDS slogan, main reason is to attract outsiders to their space. So you gotta be a real retard to come up with that conclusion. And by harsh i was referring to their alt posting here. Originally by:* Zuhlaetah ...They roleplay Amarr, what do you expect? I don't have your level of intelligence to detect any RP in this thread tbh LOL. but in case you have doubts... they only RP ingame/public annoucement on forum.
04121982 Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.07.02 09:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza I'm just saying - a scrambler is kind of odd to have on a "salvaging" ship. Originally by: Raf'retouver Reason I got a warp scrambler and ECM fitted on my manti was that's the only ship(and Buzzard) i can fly and deem possibly useful for my ex corp. I basically fit whatever i can and was asked for a gang op at the time. And i was kicked from the corp for not being useful/active enough, as they do loads of pvp ops in 0.0. So i fly around in the only useful ship i got with the old fit i had 30 or so jump to providence hoping to make some isk in relative safety and got podded. Go ahead and laugh at my misfortune/nubness, it's just so you know your assumption is way off and pathetic. Besides, Manticore isn't a solo boat, what exactly do you think it can kill?, let alone a salvager manticore lol
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.07.02 12:11:00 - [107] Raf'retouver, You raised alot of red flags. They took you out before you became a threat to any one. And yes, a stealth bomber is a huge threat to mining ships. You even had a warp scrambler fitted. Excuse all your poor decisions and your red flags all you want, but the fact remains there were red flags and you were highly suspect. Your previous alliance is even RED to CVA & company. You honestly expect Sev to take the time and politely ask you if you're a pirate and let you go once you answer "No, I'm not :)"? CVA and company have been doing this for a long time. And you're not a noob yourself as you claim. If you don't like their rules then GTFO of their space, simple, no? Hell, you even excused yourself from not knowing the rules in CVA space because that would require you to learn the rules to all of 0.0. I mean seriously, WTF? Are you listening to your excuses? It's your right to QQ all you want. But you're looking like more and more highly suspect as to what your real intentions were.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.02 12:32:00 - [108] Originally by: Matrix Skye Raf'retouver, You raised alot of red flags. They took you out before you became a threat to any one. And yes, a stealth bomber is a huge threat to mining ships. You even had a warp scrambler fitted. Excuse all your poor decisions and your red flags all you want, but the fact remains there were red flags and you were highly suspect. Your previous alliance is even RED to CVA & company. You honestly expect Sev to take the time and politely ask you if you're a pirate and let you go once you answer "No, I'm not :)"? CVA and company have been doing this for a long time. And you're not a noob yourself as you claim. If you don't like their rules then GTFO of their space, simple, no? Hell, you even excused yourself from not knowing the rules in CVA space because that would require you to learn the rules to all of 0.0. I mean seriously, WTF? Are you listening to your excuses? It's your right to QQ all you want. But you're looking like more and more highly suspect as to what your real intentions were. Post on your main if you wanna be taken seriously.
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.02 12:53:00 - [109] Originally by: Kristina Trepkas Originally by: Morden Nok As it was explained earlier ingame to op, CVA and Holders judge NPC corp members by their previous corp. OP's previous corp, Therapy. is member of KIA Alliance which is KOS to CVA. Ergo you were killed. Our ROE is explained quite clearly in our rules section. KOS by extension I believe you role-players call it. And it's not your space, it's CCP's which they allow you the privilege of using. Furthermore, you have local to rely on to keep your "pirates dressed up as police safe". We'll see how high and mighty you are when it eventually gets removed from 0.0 CCP don't allow people to fly around in space out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it to run a business. Do you think you get electricity because it's a privilege only allowed to the few, or because you pay the bills?
Princess Stefani Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.02 13:07:00 - [110] This looks to me a big alliance trying to silent minority case, rather than another all out anti CVA campaign. Mainly due to the excessive sev alt posting. What OP has pointed out is valid: NRDS opens up many leeway for abuse, and CVA should maybe consider that, and also re-evaluate your holder's integrity in upholding NRDS. Especially when Sev3rance already have the reputation for breaking it. More than a handful of people already posted here about similar experience to the OP. To simply say ''if you don't like it? GTFO'' is a bit counter productive to the spirit behind NRDS, after all the rule was erected to attract more people and gaurantee confidence in safe passage/activity. If Sev3rance rely on NRDS to get easy kill, unprepared pilots(namely the non miner/haulers so it adds more ''legitimacy'' base on suspicion) then that's indeed cowardice. Judging from their reaction here, it suggested just that.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.07.02 13:09:00 - [111] Originally by: Raf'retouver Post on your main if you wanna be taken seriously. Lieff Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Zuhlaetah	Posted - 2009.07.02 13:53:00 - [112] Another question: is here a CVA-alike alliance but for Gallente / Minmatar? My main's corp for some reason is KOS for CVA but I'd like to see 0.0 for more than just roam PvP.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.02 13:53:00 - [113] Originally by: Raf'retouver If there's anything good out of this tread is that ppl're more aware of the 'fine prints' under NRDS and your policy, thanks to your objectiveness and calm manner in explaining - a stark contrast to those of Serv3rance. And I thought you were descent. But now, you're just being a ret*rd. How many times do I have to clarify that i am not a pirate and was just salvaging, (my fitting, the location that i was killed, and the fact flying solo in a paper thin gang oriented ship) ? If i got podded unaware of the rules FINE, that's my own fault. But what do you gain by insisting that I am a pirate/must up to no good/got caught before i can commit evil coz that's just what everyone ever got killed under NRDS surely been planning. You are clearly incapable of thinking objectively(or at all for that matter) : -you accused this thread of being another anti-CVA campaign and i should've go thru your diplo for a 'generally more positive outcome'. Has it occur to you that bringing it to forum is precisely coz your diplo failed to handle this matter competently? -While i simply retold the event and raising the issue that unaware pilots can still be killed under your NRDS rule. You and your cronies reacted with nothing but hostility as if i was asking for any kind of compensation/apology, was I? NO. it sucks being put under the spot light but if you can't handle simple facts and public opinions then maybe you're not a diplo material afterall. -I rest my case long ago, yet you kept on your effort to ''maintain'' CVA reputation doing so everytime by smear the victim even darker....to a point the victim became the offender?? lol Your would-be-pirate bashing propaganda is over killed, it has achieved nothing but show how a bunch of self righteous pri(ks that CVA are. People like you should really work in law enforcement irl, coz you just know who's up-to-no-good...YOU KNOW WHAT OTHERS DON'T!, go get all the bad guys before they commit crimes and make the world a better place. p.s. If attacking and demeaning others is your way to a diplomatic solution, then you really should step the f down. Yowza. I was making commentary on the statements in this thread by many folks, Raf. I was not levying any accusations at you. But now we're getting into "protest too much" territory with this latest outpouring of emotion. You're right, though. I'm about as self-righteous a prick that ever pricked.
Dzil Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:03:00 - [114] Originally by: Raf'retouver If there's anything good out of this tread is that ppl're more aware of the 'fine prints' under NRDS and your policy, thanks to your objectiveness and calm manner in explaining - a stark contrast to those of Serv3rance. And I thought you were descent. But now, you're just being a ret*rd. How many times do I have to clarify that i am not a pirate and was just salvaging, (my fitting, the location that i was killed, and the fact flying solo in a paper thin gang oriented ship) ? If i got podded unaware of the rules FINE, that's my own fault. But what do you gain by insisting that I am a pirate/must up to no good/got caught before i can commit evil coz that's just what everyone ever got killed under NRDS surely been planning. ... [snip] Put yourself in their shoes for a second: You have a prior history of being in a red corp, with no history in a blue corp. You're no longer "nuetral". Maybe not as red as being in a hostile corp, but certain worth watching out for as you may still have friends in the red corp. You're flying a Stealth Bomber. I'm pretty carebear, but last I checked that's a pvp ship, not a pve ship. Further, it specializes in ambush and skirmish tactics. That is, once embedded into CVA space, you'd be a pain in the ass to remove if you did go hostile. My recommendation? Nuetral or not, reach out to the holding corps of CVA space and clear your intentions first. If your history is too much blood for them to accept, learn that in advance instead of losing a ship and a pod. I've never heard of CVA specifically inviting an individual to their space just to pod them. Just cases of misunderstanding that leaving a red corp does not give you instant amnesty. Also, don't be a d-bag on the forums. This drama thread is probably your permaban from providence. ---------------------- Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings ----------------------
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:21:00 - [115] NRDS, a trap? O.o You must not have gotten in contact with the proper people there... I ratted in providence in brutor corp for a long time ... only reason I left was because I was given 7 warnings to leave before they opened fire , my last corp was red, but eh, I didn't listen so I'm probably black listed now too :P You should probably get in conta- too late for that.
Oli Robbo Gallente Galactic Defence Syndicate Aggression.	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:25:00 - [116] I just dont get it, everytime I go into CVA space they always come to fight me. I just want to say hello to the peaceful miners and offer protection in my rapier. Honest.
Oli Robbo Gallente Galactic Defence Syndicate Aggression.	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:28:00 - [117] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Kristina Trepkas We'll see how high and mighty you are when it eventually gets removed from 0.0 I, for one, will be utterly dilerious to see local go away. Local's too easy. I can't wait to pit my scanner awareness against my enemy's. What is this scanner you speak of?
Empress Aurora	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:28:00 - [118] Edited by: Empress Aurora on 02/07/2009 14:29:20 No matter the explanation, your fitting is a recipe for filling a giant gravy boat with failsauce. Are you a culinary master... Of Fail?
FAHQ2 A	Posted - 2009.07.02 15:08:00 - [119] Originally by: Raf'retouver Originally by: Matrix Skye Another whine by yet another pirate-wannabe about how he got shot by CVA and/or company. And he must now cry on being killed unfairly :'( Oh the tears. Did you read their rules about their space before heading there on a Cov Ops ship with your undoubtedly good intentions? . From what I gather: 1. Your previous alliance is RED to CVA. 2. Their rules clearly state if you jump to NPC alliance from a RED alliance you remain RED. 3. You ignored/didnt read the rules. 4. You were probably up to no good anyway, they caught ya before hand and you now QQ for losing what you thought was your advantage. Why do these piwate types loath CVA so much? Enough to cause so many tears . They must be doing something right. add note to self : READ up the 150 Alliance rules before entering their regions! any and everyone ever in the history of EVE got killed/podded by CVA/Sev3rance are pirates and up to no good AND deserve to die in fire and burn for eternity, and any further attempt to retold the event is nothing but QQ and general entertainment for CVA/Sev3rance. Thou shall not loath CVA and stf_u thank them for podding you, Amarr victor. Got it, thanks :) My goal is to pod you too! Its 0.0, their space their rules, they can change the rules as they see fit at any time. Tell a cop in RL you didnt know, that never works. Oh even better, a salvage fit Bomber to cloak to avoid the rats, LOL. STFU GTFO of eve, leave your stuff to another noob who wants to play eve and go back to WOW or stay in empire where its all nice and safe.
Vaeliel Gallente Slander Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.07.02 15:53:00 - [120] Originally by: Raf'retouver WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Lulz.
Venetian Tar The 0ri Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.07.02 15:54:00 - [121] LOL CVA POAST ~~~ Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist That was fine when Mitnal was here! :(
Unholy Martyr Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.07.02 16:17:00 - [122] CVA alt posting spam ! luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulz
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.07.02 20:13:00 - [123] Originally by: Venetian Tar LOL CVA POAST Seriously?
Xenon Barinade Caldari Helix Protocol	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:41:00 - [124] Can I blame CVA for the price increase on GTC?
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.07.07 18:29:00 - [125] who is CVA?
Dannerkongen	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:10:00 - [126] Originally by: StationSpinner Originally by: Farelle NPC corp, what did you do? Where you salvaging wrecks without permission in your 'fail fit' salvage boat? Besides their space their rules. Moar like CCP's space, bonobo. Bonobo. thats alot of space! i liek it1
ChickenOfDoom	Posted - 2009.07.07 22:25:00 - [127] Edited by: ChickenOfDoom on 07/07/2009 22:27:54 lol cva I have been shot at in providence, basically every time I went there.
Misanth Reaper Industries	Posted - 2009.07.07 22:26:00 - [128] Originally by: Xenon Barinade Can I blame CVA for the price increase on GTC? ..that was worthy a necro? - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.07.08 06:23:00 - [129] Originally by: Oli Robbo Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Kristina Trepkas We'll see how high and mighty you are when it eventually gets removed from 0.0 I, for one, will be utterly dilerious to see local go away. Local's too easy. I can't wait to pit my scanner awareness against my enemy's. What is this scanner you speak of? Expanded Probe Launcher - launches combat probes that can scan down ships, and other sigs. Many think (and hope) for the possibility of removing local from 0.0, as this is becoming quite a popular feature in WH space. This could have the potential of creating for more interesting game and break the blob warfare/camp conundrum because it will not be possible to know automatically if someone is in the system. Thus, scanner usage may become more heavily relied upon and combat patrols as well. Should be interesting.
kliigar	Posted - 2009.07.08 07:48:00 - [130] i cant believe i just read this all...
Jaskey Amarr 0beron Construct Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2009.07.08 15:59:00 - [131] Originally by: Raf'retouver Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza ....why did yoursalvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? I've explained in my previous post that, it really isn't helpful if you don't read everything before posting, and continue the discussion in circles based on half facts. And you didn't read the ROE before going into a region you are set to red, it clearly states there about kos status carried over from previous corps.
kayentelva Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.07.08 18:30:00 - [132] Originally by: Raf'retouver ~lots of stuff~ 1. its 0.0 therefore you have NO expectation of safety, AT ALL. if you want easymode play hello kitty. let me repeat because ffs it doesnt seem to sink in to people. ZERO ZERO = NOT SAFE AT ALL EVER. 2. you made an ASSUMPTION about what the Providence rules were, because you admittedly didn't read them. now you are expecting Provi to uphold your assumptions rather than the actual rules. your position makes no sense. your former corp is KOS. you were KOS. case closed oh yeah, did I mention it yet ? its 0.0 so everyone you see not blue is there to kill you.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.08 19:28:00 - [133] Since it has been necro'd anyway: You were going into providence to do some salvaging. You used a stealth bomber for this. Fitted with warp scrambler and torp launchers and a total of one salvager (which was probably offline). Were those salvagers at 10k a piece really too expensive to buy so you could have fitted a few more?
Friggz	Posted - 2009.07.09 02:11:00 - [134] NRDS isn't a trick to lure in noobs in order to kill them. NRDS is to lure in noobs which in turn lure in pirates to kill.
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies	Posted - 2009.07.09 02:44:00 - [135] Originally by: Epegi Givo you could very easily be a scout-alt. come back in a ratting ship for them to know that you aren't an alt. yeah, if you bring your faction fitted CNR im sure they wont shoot you __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Grumples McGee	Posted - 2009.07.09 19:20:00 - [136] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Quick question though, why did your salvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? Was it to prevent the salvage from warping away? Salvage can be very tricky. Sometimes it thinks it is a ship and will fly around, shoot at you, send you hatemail, beg for its life, etc, and you have to warp scramble it and shoot it a lot before it will calm down and allow itself to be salvaged. So really it's no surprise that he was on a salvage mission in a stealth ship armed with torpedoes and a warp scrambler.
ChinaWillGrowLarger Heretic Command	Posted - 2009.07.09 19:25:00 - [137] Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Originally by: Epegi Givo you could very easily be a scout-alt. come back in a ratting ship for them to know that you aren't an alt. yeah, if you bring your faction fitted CNR im sure they wont shoot you For christs sake dont take it through Sev. space unless you want to be set red.
Master Chaz	Posted - 2009.07.09 21:11:00 - [138] hehe you were in 0.0 sec man they dont need a reson to pop you , this has to be a troll man nobody in his right mind would come here a complain about getting killed in low sec ........ go cva!!
CorryBasler Amarr Ammatar Free Corps Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.12 06:01:00 - [139] yes you were killed as your kos from last corp. NPC corp people are always checked for last corp standings. PROUD MEMBER OF CVA AND AMMATAR FREE CORPS United States of America

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