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Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.07.01 21:49:00 - [91] Edited by: Intense Thinker on 01/07/2009 21:49:36 I couldn't join CVA or any holders because every corp I've ever been in is -10 to them I tried, I totally want to change my evil ways.. sorry but piracy gets boring after 2 years of nothing but Inappropriate content removed. Please keep signature EVE related. Zymurgist
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.01 22:18:00 - [92] I don't speak for CVA but if you join the Amarr Miltia for a month or two it's a good way to show your commitment to their cause. You could also join a non-holder alliance that lives in providence then apply to a holder corp after showing them what you can do for Providencde, not like they have strict recruitment pratices.... Best way would be to contact one of their recruitment officers or w/e
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.01 22:51:00 - [93] Originally by: Kristina Trepkas We'll see how high and mighty you are when it eventually gets removed from 0.0 I, for one, will be utterly dilerious to see local go away. Local's too easy. I can't wait to pit my scanner awareness against my enemy's.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.02 00:10:00 - [94] Originally by: Garreck Always interesting to see the varied opinions on CVA from friend and foe alike. I would hazard a guess that those foes who have bitter feelings towards CVA (and it's interesting to note that not all of our enemies do) are folks who have in some way or another thought they could exploit the "Not Red Don't Shoot" rules of engagement to get away with some easy kills...only to find that we've been at this for years and have tweaked our rules of engagement accordingly. Upon getting blown away and then finding out that the Providence community was a step ahead of said offender because we've thought our rules of engagement out better than most people think a "carebear" community can do, the offender carries his grudge to the forum for the rest of his days. What's sad about that is simply getting kills in our space as an out-and-out red with even mildly decent combat/evasion skills is 100% easier than trying to find an exploitable hole in our ROE. If you want to come to our space and get kills, just do it. Trying to get fancy with rules generally doesn't end well. If there's anything good out of this tread is that ppl're more aware of the 'fine prints' under NRDS and your policy, thanks to your objectiveness and calm manner in explaining - a stark contrast to those of Serv3rance. And I thought you were descent. But now, you're just being a ret*rd. How many times do I have to clarify that i am not a pirate and was just salvaging, (my fitting, the location that i was killed, and the fact flying solo in a paper thin gang oriented ship) ? If i got podded unaware of the rules FINE, that's my own fault. But what do you gain by insisting that I am a pirate/must up to no good/got caught before i can commit evil coz that's just what everyone ever got killed under NRDS surely been planning. You are clearly incapable of thinking objectively(or at all for that matter) : -you accused this thread of being another anti-CVA campaign and i should've go thru your diplo for a 'generally more positive outcome'. Has it occur to you that bringing it to forum is precisely coz your diplo failed to handle this matter competently? -While i simply retold the event and raising the issue that unaware pilots can still be killed under your NRDS rule. You and your cronies reacted with nothing but hostility as if i was asking for any kind of compensation/apology, was I? NO. it sucks being put under the spot light but if you can't handle simple facts and public opinions then maybe you're not a diplo material afterall. -I rest my case long ago, yet you kept on your effort to ''maintain'' CVA reputation doing so everytime by smear the victim even darker....to a point the victim became the offender?? lol Your would-be-pirate bashing propaganda is over killed, it has achieved nothing but show how a bunch of self righteous pri(ks that CVA are. People like you should really work in law enforcement irl, coz you just know who's up-to-no-good...YOU KNOW WHAT OTHERS DON'T!, go get all the bad guys before they commit crimes and make the world a better place. p.s. If attacking and demeaning others is your way to a diplomatic solution, then you really should step the f down.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.07.02 00:16:00 - [95] Originally by: thion li CVA is the most disorganized Alliance I have ever seen, it really makes me wonder how they got a Constellation Capital sometimes. Nothing you say is applicable to CVA. They do however have some **ing terrible pets, or as they prefer to be called, Sov. Holders. Sure, so do many established, fairly static powerblocs, but Providence by nature of NRDS and being 0.0 on easy mode seems to channel the shortbus. Originally by:** CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Brechan Skene	Posted - 2009.07.02 00:49:00 - [96] To Whom it may concern, If I wanted to rat in Providence,whom do I have to contact with CVA and their friends to get the rules concerning NRDS(no red don't shoot) whilst ratting in providence? Thanks Brechan
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.02 01:04:00 - [97] Again, not CVA but I can help you there. http://cva-eve.org/kos/ You can use this (ingame and out) to check if your alliance/corp is KOS. If your alliance/corp isn't on the list then you should be fine. CVA-Diplo channel ingame, you can contact a cva diplomat there and just make sure you are not KOS. You can ask other questions you may have there. http://cva-eve.org/ theres some good information for you on here as well, rules of providence, some FAQs etc.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.07.02 01:58:00 - [98] Raf'retouver, It doesn't matter if you were flying a Industrial or a Combat Recon, you are a security concern to them because your previous organisation was KOS. You can plead all day that you wern't combat fit, wern't planning on killing anyone etc. it won't matter to them because they followed their own rules and policies which are publically viewable. Unfortunatly you should have talked to a Diplomat / Checked out the rules beforehand. Did you join the channel CVA-Diplo and talk with them there? I agree that Sev3rance has a few bad apples as diplomats who insist on trolling and being inpolite rather than trying their best at diplomacy. Rest of it is just you repeating the same stuff just with personal attacks thrown in. You are not going to get anything reimbursed by them. The only thing I personally could see them doing better was warning you to leave. Another friendly tip; you should use a covert ops cloak on the manticore, not an improved one. A covops cloak uses 10 less CPU with the manticores bonus, and is much better in everyway as you can warp cloaked, and don't have a scan resolution penaltry. I'm not a CVA diplomat btw, just someone who has pirated in their space for about a year. So know alot when it comes to their ROE etc.
Talerco Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.07.02 04:34:00 - [99] Sir, I love your tears.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.02 05:46:00 - [100] In other news, earlier today I watched a noob corp afk pilot his Iteron V through the entirety of Sev space without a scratch. But yeah, pirates in NRDS clothing those angry germans be. Quick question though, why did your salvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? Was it to prevent the salvage from warping away?
Zuhlaetah	Posted - 2009.07.02 08:34:00 - [101] Quote: Judged by previous corp. This is quite interesting. How do you track hundreds (if not more) of names like that? Just by setting their status or you got an IGB database? Quote: But whether it can be maintained by Sev3rance remains to be seen judging from their harsh attitudes. They owe you nothing, expecially in their home. If they want to be harsh, they are harsh. If they want you to dance with a ball on your nose, you dance with a ball on your nose or GTFO. Quote: Your would-be-pirate bashing propaganda is over killed, it has achieved nothing but show how a bunch of self righteous pri(ks that CVA are. They roleplay Amarr, what do you expect? Quote: Quick question though, why did your salvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? Was it to prevent the salvage from warping away? This prompts for a question: is there also a policy on what modules an unknown has to use? IE is having a scram = KOS?
Hinkledolph Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.07.02 08:49:00 - [102] I was shot at by CVA as well once
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.02 09:15:00 - [103] Originally by: Zuhlaetah [ Quote: Quick question though, why did your salvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? Was it to prevent the salvage from warping away? This prompts for a question: is there also a policy on what modules an unknown has to use? IE is having a scram = KOS? No there's no rule like that at all. In fact, it's not unheard of for neuts/unknowns to join in with CVA in defending Providence against its many transgressors, so there's no real problem with anyone having PVP gear. I'm just saying - a scrambler is kind of odd to have on a "salvaging" ship.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.02 09:39:00 - [104] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza ....why did yoursalvaging stealth bomber have a warp scrambler equipped? I've explained in my previous post that, it really isn't helpful if you don't read everything before posting, and continue the discussion in circles based on half facts.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.02 09:41:00 - [105] Originally by: Suitonia You are not going to get anything reimbursed by them. The only thing I personally could see them doing better was warning you to leave. I never asked for reimbursement nor was I expecting any. Merely bringing the issue to public via forum-and as a result positive opinions come from people like you, as you put it, things could've been done better by giving a simple warning. But it won't happen if all they want is to portrait me as a bad as$ pirate,and continue with their 'legitimate piracy' hiding behind NRDS. Originally by: Zuhlaetah ..They owe you nothing, expecially in their home. If they want to be harsh, they are harsh. If they want you to dance with a ball on your nose, you dance with a ball on your nose or GTFO. You missed the point, this is not just any 0.0 space trespassing and leave your fate to luck. They carry the NRDS slogan, main reason is to attract outsiders to their space. So you gotta be a real retard to come up with that conclusion. And by harsh i was referring to their alt posting here. Originally by:* Zuhlaetah ...They roleplay Amarr, what do you expect? I don't have your level of intelligence to detect any RP in this thread tbh LOL. but in case you have doubts... they only RP ingame/public annoucement on forum.
04121982 Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.07.02 09:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza I'm just saying - a scrambler is kind of odd to have on a "salvaging" ship. Originally by: Raf'retouver Reason I got a warp scrambler and ECM fitted on my manti was that's the only ship(and Buzzard) i can fly and deem possibly useful for my ex corp. I basically fit whatever i can and was asked for a gang op at the time. And i was kicked from the corp for not being useful/active enough, as they do loads of pvp ops in 0.0. So i fly around in the only useful ship i got with the old fit i had 30 or so jump to providence hoping to make some isk in relative safety and got podded. Go ahead and laugh at my misfortune/nubness, it's just so you know your assumption is way off and pathetic. Besides, Manticore isn't a solo boat, what exactly do you think it can kill?, let alone a salvager manticore lol
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.07.02 12:11:00 - [107] Raf'retouver, You raised alot of red flags. They took you out before you became a threat to any one. And yes, a stealth bomber is a huge threat to mining ships. You even had a warp scrambler fitted. Excuse all your poor decisions and your red flags all you want, but the fact remains there were red flags and you were highly suspect. Your previous alliance is even RED to CVA & company. You honestly expect Sev to take the time and politely ask you if you're a pirate and let you go once you answer "No, I'm not :)"? CVA and company have been doing this for a long time. And you're not a noob yourself as you claim. If you don't like their rules then GTFO of their space, simple, no? Hell, you even excused yourself from not knowing the rules in CVA space because that would require you to learn the rules to all of 0.0. I mean seriously, WTF? Are you listening to your excuses? It's your right to QQ all you want. But you're looking like more and more highly suspect as to what your real intentions were.
Raf'retouver	Posted - 2009.07.02 12:32:00 - [108] Originally by: Matrix Skye Raf'retouver, You raised alot of red flags. They took you out before you became a threat to any one. And yes, a stealth bomber is a huge threat to mining ships. You even had a warp scrambler fitted. Excuse all your poor decisions and your red flags all you want, but the fact remains there were red flags and you were highly suspect. Your previous alliance is even RED to CVA & company. You honestly expect Sev to take the time and politely ask you if you're a pirate and let you go once you answer "No, I'm not :)"? CVA and company have been doing this for a long time. And you're not a noob yourself as you claim. If you don't like their rules then GTFO of their space, simple, no? Hell, you even excused yourself from not knowing the rules in CVA space because that would require you to learn the rules to all of 0.0. I mean seriously, WTF? Are you listening to your excuses? It's your right to QQ all you want. But you're looking like more and more highly suspect as to what your real intentions were. Post on your main if you wanna be taken seriously.
Kadavreski Caldari State Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.02 12:53:00 - [109] Originally by: Kristina Trepkas Originally by: Morden Nok As it was explained earlier ingame to op, CVA and Holders judge NPC corp members by their previous corp. OP's previous corp, Therapy. is member of KIA Alliance which is KOS to CVA. Ergo you were killed. Our ROE is explained quite clearly in our rules section. KOS by extension I believe you role-players call it. And it's not your space, it's CCP's which they allow you the privilege of using. Furthermore, you have local to rely on to keep your "pirates dressed up as police safe". We'll see how high and mighty you are when it eventually gets removed from 0.0 CCP don't allow people to fly around in space out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it to run a business. Do you think you get electricity because it's a privilege only allowed to the few, or because you pay the bills?
Princess Stefani Amarr	Posted - 2009.07.02 13:07:00 - [110] This looks to me a big alliance trying to silent minority case, rather than another all out anti CVA campaign. Mainly due to the excessive sev alt posting. What OP has pointed out is valid: NRDS opens up many leeway for abuse, and CVA should maybe consider that, and also re-evaluate your holder's integrity in upholding NRDS. Especially when Sev3rance already have the reputation for breaking it. More than a handful of people already posted here about similar experience to the OP. To simply say ''if you don't like it? GTFO'' is a bit counter productive to the spirit behind NRDS, after all the rule was erected to attract more people and gaurantee confidence in safe passage/activity. If Sev3rance rely on NRDS to get easy kill, unprepared pilots(namely the non miner/haulers so it adds more ''legitimacy'' base on suspicion) then that's indeed cowardice. Judging from their reaction here, it suggested just that.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.07.02 13:09:00 - [111] Originally by: Raf'retouver Post on your main if you wanna be taken seriously. Lieff Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Zuhlaetah	Posted - 2009.07.02 13:53:00 - [112] Another question: is here a CVA-alike alliance but for Gallente / Minmatar? My main's corp for some reason is KOS for CVA but I'd like to see 0.0 for more than just roam PvP.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.02 13:53:00 - [113] Originally by: Raf'retouver If there's anything good out of this tread is that ppl're more aware of the 'fine prints' under NRDS and your policy, thanks to your objectiveness and calm manner in explaining - a stark contrast to those of Serv3rance. And I thought you were descent. But now, you're just being a ret*rd. How many times do I have to clarify that i am not a pirate and was just salvaging, (my fitting, the location that i was killed, and the fact flying solo in a paper thin gang oriented ship) ? If i got podded unaware of the rules FINE, that's my own fault. But what do you gain by insisting that I am a pirate/must up to no good/got caught before i can commit evil coz that's just what everyone ever got killed under NRDS surely been planning. You are clearly incapable of thinking objectively(or at all for that matter) : -you accused this thread of being another anti-CVA campaign and i should've go thru your diplo for a 'generally more positive outcome'. Has it occur to you that bringing it to forum is precisely coz your diplo failed to handle this matter competently? -While i simply retold the event and raising the issue that unaware pilots can still be killed under your NRDS rule. You and your cronies reacted with nothing but hostility as if i was asking for any kind of compensation/apology, was I? NO. it sucks being put under the spot light but if you can't handle simple facts and public opinions then maybe you're not a diplo material afterall. -I rest my case long ago, yet you kept on your effort to ''maintain'' CVA reputation doing so everytime by smear the victim even darker....to a point the victim became the offender?? lol Your would-be-pirate bashing propaganda is over killed, it has achieved nothing but show how a bunch of self righteous pri(ks that CVA are. People like you should really work in law enforcement irl, coz you just know who's up-to-no-good...YOU KNOW WHAT OTHERS DON'T!, go get all the bad guys before they commit crimes and make the world a better place. p.s. If attacking and demeaning others is your way to a diplomatic solution, then you really should step the f down. Yowza. I was making commentary on the statements in this thread by many folks, Raf. I was not levying any accusations at you. But now we're getting into "protest too much" territory with this latest outpouring of emotion. You're right, though. I'm about as self-righteous a prick that ever pricked.
Dzil Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:03:00 - [114] Originally by: Raf'retouver If there's anything good out of this tread is that ppl're more aware of the 'fine prints' under NRDS and your policy, thanks to your objectiveness and calm manner in explaining - a stark contrast to those of Serv3rance. And I thought you were descent. But now, you're just being a ret*rd. How many times do I have to clarify that i am not a pirate and was just salvaging, (my fitting, the location that i was killed, and the fact flying solo in a paper thin gang oriented ship) ? If i got podded unaware of the rules FINE, that's my own fault. But what do you gain by insisting that I am a pirate/must up to no good/got caught before i can commit evil coz that's just what everyone ever got killed under NRDS surely been planning. ... [snip] Put yourself in their shoes for a second: You have a prior history of being in a red corp, with no history in a blue corp. You're no longer "nuetral". Maybe not as red as being in a hostile corp, but certain worth watching out for as you may still have friends in the red corp. You're flying a Stealth Bomber. I'm pretty carebear, but last I checked that's a pvp ship, not a pve ship. Further, it specializes in ambush and skirmish tactics. That is, once embedded into CVA space, you'd be a pain in the ass to remove if you did go hostile. My recommendation? Nuetral or not, reach out to the holding corps of CVA space and clear your intentions first. If your history is too much blood for them to accept, learn that in advance instead of losing a ship and a pod. I've never heard of CVA specifically inviting an individual to their space just to pod them. Just cases of misunderstanding that leaving a red corp does not give you instant amnesty. Also, don't be a d-bag on the forums. This drama thread is probably your permaban from providence. ---------------------- Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings ----------------------
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:21:00 - [115] NRDS, a trap? O.o You must not have gotten in contact with the proper people there... I ratted in providence in brutor corp for a long time ... only reason I left was because I was given 7 warnings to leave before they opened fire , my last corp was red, but eh, I didn't listen so I'm probably black listed now too :P You should probably get in conta- too late for that.
Oli Robbo Gallente Galactic Defence Syndicate Aggression.	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:25:00 - [116] I just dont get it, everytime I go into CVA space they always come to fight me. I just want to say hello to the peaceful miners and offer protection in my rapier. Honest.
Oli Robbo Gallente Galactic Defence Syndicate Aggression.	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:28:00 - [117] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Kristina Trepkas We'll see how high and mighty you are when it eventually gets removed from 0.0 I, for one, will be utterly dilerious to see local go away. Local's too easy. I can't wait to pit my scanner awareness against my enemy's. What is this scanner you speak of?
Empress Aurora	Posted - 2009.07.02 14:28:00 - [118] Edited by: Empress Aurora on 02/07/2009 14:29:20 No matter the explanation, your fitting is a recipe for filling a giant gravy boat with failsauce. Are you a culinary master... Of Fail?
FAHQ2 A	Posted - 2009.07.02 15:08:00 - [119] Originally by: Raf'retouver Originally by: Matrix Skye Another whine by yet another pirate-wannabe about how he got shot by CVA and/or company. And he must now cry on being killed unfairly :'( Oh the tears. Did you read their rules about their space before heading there on a Cov Ops ship with your undoubtedly good intentions? . From what I gather: 1. Your previous alliance is RED to CVA. 2. Their rules clearly state if you jump to NPC alliance from a RED alliance you remain RED. 3. You ignored/didnt read the rules. 4. You were probably up to no good anyway, they caught ya before hand and you now QQ for losing what you thought was your advantage. Why do these piwate types loath CVA so much? Enough to cause so many tears . They must be doing something right. add note to self : READ up the 150 Alliance rules before entering their regions! any and everyone ever in the history of EVE got killed/podded by CVA/Sev3rance are pirates and up to no good AND deserve to die in fire and burn for eternity, and any further attempt to retold the event is nothing but QQ and general entertainment for CVA/Sev3rance. Thou shall not loath CVA and stf_u thank them for podding you, Amarr victor. Got it, thanks :) My goal is to pod you too! Its 0.0, their space their rules, they can change the rules as they see fit at any time. Tell a cop in RL you didnt know, that never works. Oh even better, a salvage fit Bomber to cloak to avoid the rats, LOL. STFU GTFO of eve, leave your stuff to another noob who wants to play eve and go back to WOW or stay in empire where its all nice and safe.
Vaeliel Gallente Slander Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.07.02 15:53:00 - [120] Originally by: Raf'retouver WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Lulz.

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