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Haraukiae Youik	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:19:00 - [61] Maybee it is about time that CCP stopped tilting the playing field against PVE players. You are all aware I am sure that there are wormholes which open from 0.0 direct into hi sec empire space. Is it a stretch of the imagination to consider the ease with which attacks on hi sec Empire can now be launched? So they can't bring a titan in, but how many BS? And even if you got a group together are you going into 0.0 when you cannot by CCP fiat fight on the same terms with the same ships since you cannot in a police action, build them in hi sec.? Suicide or flight it seems to be CCP's desire that we should all have targets, little red NPC crosses on our backs for the enjoyment of nul sec and pirates. Perhaps in a fair fight we would beat them? Is that CCP's fear? Concorde, smonkorde, you sit around and wait to be hit, you will be.
Xiao LoPan	Posted - 2009.07.04 01:45:00 - [62] in battle pvp players will always have things tilted in their favor, every mmo i have played pvp and pve require different builds and gear, someone ready and fit for pking will beat someone ready and fit for mission/questing thats just how things are.
Feisty Kitten	Posted - 2009.07.04 03:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 03/07/2009 08:33:09 Originally by: Booken Blue Getting shot at is an exploit? Intentionally spawning CONCORD so they're already on grid if you're later attacked by someone who actually intends on killing you. no you have the exploit mixed up. Intentionally moving concord OUT of the belt using the method described is the exploit.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.07.04 03:47:00 - [64] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Kara Xandi It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord. Only when they also increase CONCORD response time so that commercial suicide ganking is still viable for the more valuable cargos or when you are prepared to take the loss. Wouldn't want highsec to be completely safe. I agree that the possibility of suicide ganking should always be there, but it's silly that an insurance company pays out when the policy holder blatantly committed a crime knowing the ship would get blown up. That's like taking your car in a high-speed chase with the cops and expecting your insurance to replace it when it gets trashed. Pend Insurance must be the dumbest company ever. I'm just saying.
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.07.04 04:28:00 - [65] Originally by: Haraukiae Youik Maybee it is about time that CCP stopped tilting the playing field against PVE players. You are all aware I am sure that there are wormholes which open from 0.0 direct into hi sec empire space. Is it a stretch of the imagination to consider the ease with which attacks on hi sec Empire can now be launched? So they can't bring a titan in, but how many BS? And even if you got a group together are you going into 0.0 when you cannot by CCP fiat fight on the same terms with the same ships since you cannot in a police action, build them in hi sec.? Suicide or flight it seems to be CCP's desire that we should all have targets, little red NPC crosses on our backs for the enjoyment of nul sec and pirates. Perhaps in a fair fight we would beat them? Is that CCP's fear? Concorde, smonkorde, you sit around and wait to be hit, you will be. u scared?
buttesauce	Posted - 2009.07.04 07:09:00 - [66] Originally by: Kyra Felann Pend Insurance must be the dumbest company ever. I'm just saying. They must be in league with the big trit companies! Pend is encouraging reckless behavior by providing extremely good rates. In exchange the big trit companies are giving Pend a cut since the good insurance is raising the price of trit because of the demand from lost ships.
Lady Aja Caldari Eradication Project	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:28:00 - [67] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Always the same, someone finds a way to annoy a few carebears and it's called a feature, then te carebear finds a clever way to deal with this 'feature' and they call it unfair... Go to 0.0 allready and stop bugging us hi sec dwellers. used to be that if you bumped a ship far enough from a gate in hi sec and out of range of sentry guns.. then got a alt to spawn concord at the gate. they would have to sly boat all the 200km to where said bumped ship was being shot at in high sec. suicide in high sec = sec loss, that is not a feature that is a side effect of breakign concord laws. next youre going to say jumping between 3 -6 corps to avoid a war dec is a feature? imo its an exploit!
Lady Aja Caldari Eradication Project	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:33:00 - [68] Originally by: Feisty Kitten Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 03/07/2009 08:33:09 Originally by: Booken Blue Getting shot at is an exploit? Intentionally spawning CONCORD so they're already on grid if you're later attacked by someone who actually intends on killing you. no you have the exploit mixed up. Intentionally moving concord OUT of the belt using the method described is the exploit. as far as i am concerned... concord spawns for every neutral ship you attack... so if i was to smart bomb 6 hulks and a hauler in a belt. that would be 7 seperate spawns showing up to own my ass. now if someoen was to use a main to make that concord spawn then thats cool as imo. but using a throw away alt aint cool.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2009.07.04 08:59:00 - [69] Originally by: Essence Praetor Concord is getting buffed again next patch so... seriously?
Lady Aja Caldari Eradication Project	Posted - 2009.07.04 09:14:00 - [70] Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Essence Praetor Concord is getting buffed again next patch so... seriously? hope not... cant stop 4 smart bombing bs's who WILL take out the pod as well ... also yet to see anything on it. ( concord buff )
Kaaii Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp	Posted - 2009.07.04 09:46:00 - [71] Originally by: Lady Aja Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Essence Praetor Concord is getting buffed again next patch so... seriously? hope not... cant stop 4 smart bombing bs's who WILL take out the pod as well ... also yet to see anything on it. ( concord buff ) You mean this? According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.07.04 09:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Lady Aja Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Essence Praetor Concord is getting buffed again next patch so... seriously? hope not... cant stop 4 smart bombing bs's who WILL take out the pod as well ... also yet to see anything on it. ( concord buff ) You mean this? Quote: reported by CCP Fear \| 2008.08.06 02:58:31 Yes might wanna check dates on stuff before linking that happened ages ago ;)
Lady Aja Caldari Eradication Project	Posted - 2009.07.04 11:24:00 - [73] Edited by: Lady Aja on 04/07/2009 11:24:46 Edited by: Lady Aja on 04/07/2009 11:24:40 Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Lady Aja Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Essence Praetor Concord is getting buffed again next patch so... seriously? hope not... cant stop 4 smart bombing bs's who WILL take out the pod as well ... also yet to see anything on it. ( concord buff ) You mean this? No i want proof.. that is not prrof. infact thats past its use by date. you fail!
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.07.04 11:37:00 - [74] All Hulk pilots must be purged.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.04 11:42:00 - [75] Originally by: Haraukiae Youik Maybee it is about time that CCP stopped tilting the playing field against PVE players. Maybe it's about time you came to terms with the fact that your ship is at risk the instant you undock. PvE players have had security buff after security buff. And the instant you get one, the whining starts for MORE MORE MORE. In short: I fully support the revival of Jihadswarm. It's exactly the kind of thing that goons should be doing. Reminding people like you that it's cold and dark in space, and you can't trust anyone.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.04 11:53:00 - [76] Edited by: Malcanis on 04/07/2009 11:55:20 Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Kara Xandi It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord. Only when they also increase CONCORD response time so that commercial suicide ganking is still viable for the more valuable cargos or when you are prepared to take the loss. Wouldn't want highsec to be completely safe. I agree that the possibility of suicide ganking should always be there, but it's silly that an insurance company pays out when the policy holder blatantly committed a crime knowing the ship would get blown up. That's like taking your car in a high-speed chase with the cops and expecting your insurance to replace it when it gets trashed. Pend Insurance must be the dumbest company ever. I'm just saying. Nothing about Insurance in EvE makes sense. No RL insurance company would pay for 95% of the ship losses in EvE. In fact just about the only losses that they might recompense are the ones that EvE insurance doesn't cover (corp theft). They wouldn't pay out for ships lost: Ratting Anywhere in 0.0 or lo-sec for any reason Missioning War-decs Self-destructing Suicide ganking (or getting concorded for any other reason) Pirating Anti-Pirating Faction Warfare Mining in a belt in 0.8 or lower Can baiting Can baited In fact, I cant think of any circumstance that they'd reimburse a pod-pilot's ship, with the possible exception of being suicide ganked, and even then only if you could show that you took the safest possible route. Thereare probably a couple of other ways, but they're pretty far to the right of the bell curve on the "reason for ship loss" chart. And even if they did, which they wouldn't, they certainly wouldn't pay out 40% over market value for a single premium of 40% of the ship's value. In short EvE "insurance" has virtually nothing in common with RL insrance but the name. It's an in-game mechanism that provides 2 benefits: (1) It keeps pilots able to buy some kind of ship, no matter how badly they do or for what reason they lose their ship. (2) It provides a hard floor on ship prices, and by extension mineral prices. Without Insurance, mineral prices would drop through the floor, probably to about what platinum insurance costs now. If you think miners have it bad with the occasional suicide gank, wait till you see how things are when Ravens sell for 38M ISK.
Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2009.07.04 12:08:00 - [77] Originally by: Malcanis EvE is not "The USA in space" with respect to it's laws and ethics. Hasn't the USA proven time after time that the socalled "respect to it's laws and ethics" is mainly something for people with money? If the USA was the place you described wouldn't the jails and prisons be less populated? Quote: At best, hi-sec is like Moscow, riddled with corruption, violence and treachery, with only the most egregious outbreaks of obvious violence being punished by the authorities, who in any case don't really give a toss about you, especially as you dont pay any taxes or owe them any loyalty. They just suppress outbreaks of open weapons fire - unless they've been paid off. They certainly wont lift a finger to get you your stuff back - why the hell should they? You're not a citizen. Same applies to the USA, just that they are better in hiding this. Basicly you say that when your better at hiding the bad stuff your ok, if not then you stink. Don't try to lighten up a country by posting misleading stories. When we all take a closer look at the USA the farts stink just as bad in the USA as in Russia.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.04 12:12:00 - [78] The USA is hardly perfect, but you're just talking rubbish if you think it's remotely as bad as Russia when it comes to corruption and violence. Anyway, this aint about this country vs that country. You know perfectly well what I meant.
Abulurd Boniface Gallente Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration	Posted - 2009.07.04 12:43:00 - [79] Originally by: Irida Mershkov All Hulk pilots must be purged. As a Hulk driver myself I shout out my love and admiration for those heroes of the realm who are so formidably superior and adept at the game that the target they love best is one that can't shoot back. Nothing convinces so much as the argument of the frank coward who won't commit to his beloved PvP game in anything that resembles a real battleship because fighting in a Tech II or III hull would be too expensive to lose. However, converging on a ship that serves no combat purpose, engaged in honest industry, now there's the plump, risk-free target. Let's show how superior we are, how terrible the might of our indomitable onslaught by striking with banshee-like ferocity at that ship of which we know that it has not defences [all the scenarios where Hulks are tanked ignore the fact that this takes away from the Hulk's capacity to do that for which it was designed, -only- so it would stand a slightly better chance to survive the attack by the terminally frustrated] and cry out in orgasmic glee about how wonderfully we 0wnz0rz [I speak l337 with an accent only]. I would like to take this opportunity to invite my fellow miners to the idea of placing Tritanium on the global New Eden market for no less than 10.0 ISK a unit, just so we can cover the loss of the mining vessels that fall prey to the relentless pursuit of the emo-population that needs to give special attention to their e-peen. Maybe we can then share in the general discomfort of having to pay real money to replace the space frames lost to a mere lack of imagination [or courage?] of the pirating community. Or maybe we could find a balance where some of them would start mining in a Retriever to acquire the ores to build replacements for their own losses. I would be greatly amused by the idea. Hero! Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.04 12:44:00 - [80] Originally by: Abulurd Boniface I would like to take this opportunity to invite my fellow miners to the idea of placing Tritanium on the global New Eden market for no less than 10.0 ISK a unit... Although you probably think you're being very sarcastic or clever or something, I would in all seriousness encourage you to do exactly this.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.07.04 12:49:00 - [81] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Which is an exploit. Sounds like emergent game play to me. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.07.04 13:51:00 - [82] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 04/07/2009 13:51:12 Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Originally by: Irida Mershkov All Hulk pilots must be purged. Durr. I pilot Hulks myself dumbass, my point is that people need to stop thinking High-sec is supposed to be some happy care-free land where people can stay away from the nasty ebil piwatz rawr. High-security space is safer. It isn't safe. What Jihadswarm does reinforces this, and it's a damn good thing, because otherwise we're just going to head towards a typical MMO direction where PVP becomes optional, which EVE isn't about. Edit: CCP why the hell does the forum keep logging me out and stop me posting?
Jones Bones Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.07.04 14:08:00 - [83] We've killed 3-4 Hulks in the same belt many times. I have an easier guide for you: 1. Don't AFK mine. 2. See step 1. =================== Go Bucks!
Abulurd Boniface Gallente Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration	Posted - 2009.07.04 15:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 04/07/2009 13:51:12 Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Originally by: Irida Mershkov All Hulk pilots must be purged. Durr. I pilot Hulks myself dumbass, my point is that people need to stop thinking High-sec is supposed to be some happy care-free land where people can stay away from the nasty ebil piwatz rawr. High-security space is safer. It isn't safe. What Jihadswarm does reinforces this, and it's a damn good thing, because otherwise we're just going to head towards a typical MMO direction where PVP becomes optional, which EVE isn't about. Edit: CCP why the hell does the forum keep logging me out and stop me posting? You make your point badly. For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.04 16:33:00 - [85] Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Originally by: Irida Mershkov All Hulk pilots must be purged. I pilot Hulks myself dumbass, my point is that people need to stop thinking High-sec is supposed to be some happy care-free land where people can stay away from the nasty ebil piwatz rawr. High-security space is safer. It isn't safe. What Jihadswarm does reinforces this, and it's a damn good thing, because otherwise we're just going to head towards a typical MMO direction where PVP becomes optional, which EVE isn't about. Edit: CCP why the hell does the forum keep logging me out and stop me posting? You make your point badly. But even if that is true, it that doesn't change the fact that it is a good point and that you have failed to answer it at all.
Abulurd Boniface Gallente Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration	Posted - 2009.07.04 16:50:00 - [86] Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 04/07/2009 16:50:37 Originally by: Malcanis You make your point badly. But even if that is true, it that doesn't change the fact that it is a good point and that you have failed to answer it at all. I fail to answer the point for no other reason than that it is made poorly. How do you propose I offer an argument against 6 words that strongly indicate hostility towards Hulk pilots? I can read minds now? I get it! The poster is a woman. She thinks because she knows what she's talking about, everybody else knows it as well. And then, when I'm perceived as not answering the point, it's my fault because I don't offer an argument against the chain of reasoning that culminated in "All Hulk pilots must be purged", but which poster clearly could not be bothered to elaborate on. Yep, now I get it. For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.04 17:07:00 - [87] Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 04/07/2009 16:50:37 Originally by: Malcanis You make your point badly. But even if that is true, it that doesn't change the fact that it is a good point and that you have failed to answer it at all. I fail to answer the point for no other reason than that it is made poorly. How do you propose I offer an argument against 6 words that strongly indicate hostility towards Hulk pilots? I can read minds now? I get it! The poster is a woman. She thinks because she knows what she's talking about, everybody else knows it as well. And then, when I'm perceived as not answering the point, it's my fault because I don't offer an argument against the chain of reasoning that culminated in "All Hulk pilots must be purged", but which poster clearly could not be bothered to elaborate on. Yep, now I get it. Since he expanded on his 6 word slogan with rather more than 6 words, and you replied to his expansion rather than the original, it rather seems that you dont get it.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2009.07.04 17:29:00 - [88] A while ago I created an alt and formed a corporation called "The Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective". Its purpose was to drive my competitors from my part of Genesis by suiciding their mining barges. So, given that I have direct knoelefge of this, I hope you don't mind be saying. IT DOES NOT WORK Any concord spawns on the grid just sit there eating their donuts while a totally new spawn is created to deal with the new infraction. Mods: Could you move this thread to the General Discussion board on the World of Warcraft forums because it would fit in so well there.
Haraukiae Youik	Posted - 2009.07.04 18:00:00 - [89] Originally by: Xiao LoPan in battle pvp players will always have things tilted in their favor, every mmo i have played pvp and pve require different builds and gear, someone ready and fit for pking will beat someone ready and fit for mission/questing thats just how things are. That is/was not my point. Any player can fit any gear for any purpsoe. My point is that CCP does not allow an equal playing field. Thought experiment. There is no 0.0, there is no lo sec, there is only hi sec. There is no Concord. For a criminal act you are punished by other players. Would hulks be dying if those criminals were punished with the same passion by which posts about ganking are made and discussed privately? Who says 0.0 corps should rule the game. Why should not Empire have to might and right to do so?End of story. Forget the mindset of the present EVE. EVE was not always like this and I believe you know that. Instead of trying to excuse the devs I say we should do what is not really in our nature. Apparently around here if you complain about imbalance long enough and with enough force CCP attempts to take action (something which is always charming to watch.) You make excuses for the people to which you pay your money then nothing happens.
Commander Lorelai CONCORD Operations	Posted - 2009.07.04 18:17:00 - [90] Originally by: Haraukiae Youik Who says 0.0 corps should rule the game. Why should not Empire have to might and right to do so? Well, CCP actually stated that they try to make the game so that players control as much as possible. And since 0.0 is completly controlled by players, all the good captial stuff happens there, the station building, i gues CCP indirectly made a point that 0.0 is the future and empire shouldn't be somewhere the players stay in forever. Believe me i would like to see it different, some eve online pve server would make my day personally. Bet there would be less crying too.

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