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VP Biden
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Posted - 2009.07.03 07:47:00 -
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Per Mittens the douche bag's guide to suiciding hulks: "Do not engage if Concord has already spawned in the location of your target."
Go to your favorite veldspar buffet and get a friend or another account with a garbage character to attack your ship (using a rookie ship). Concord is now on hand to instantly deal with any goonswarm DBs.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:23:00 -
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Which is an exploit. 
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Booken Blue
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:32:00 -
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Getting shot at is an exploit?
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 03/07/2009 08:33:09
 Originally by: Booken Blue
Getting shot at is an exploit?
Intentionally spawning CONCORD so they're already on grid if you're later attacked by someone who actually intends on killing you.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:36:00 -
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Always the same, someone finds a way to annoy a few carebears and it's called a feature, then te carebear finds a clever way to deal with this 'feature' and they call it unfair... 
Go to 0.0 allready and stop bugging us hi sec dwellers.
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Which is an exploit.
No, getting rid of the char that invokes concords wrath is an exploit
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Wai Ng'Tse
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:44:00 -
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just sounds like metagaming, probs not an exploit.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Which is an exploit.
No, getting rid of the char that invokes concords wrath is an exploit
This is the correct issue that would be always considered an exploit 
As long as that "junk alt" (the one that will take the security hits for initiating highsec hostilities) recovers the security status naturally (by shooting NPCs) instead of getting recycled and replaced by a new one, you're fine.
The "proper" way to do it is a very cumbersome one anyway.
Also, the initial issue (of "calling in" CONCORD intentionally) could also be considered against the EULA, under the "generating unreasonable amounts of strain on the system" heading (or something similar).
While a bit in the grey area, it could be ruled an exploit too... depending on the investigating GM, I presume.
Not very likely, but possible.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:49:00 -
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In that case, Goonswarm is breaking the EULA by making concord spawn and straining the server. The carebears are trying to relieve stress on the server by removing the roids in the belts.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.03 08:52:00 -
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Just spawn the concord yourself by remote repping a rat from an ibis before you start your roidrage.
Even if that does cost you sec status, which it probably doesn't, in the next few hours you will more than get the sec status back from the belt rats anyway.
No need for semiquestionable mechanic abuses. Wouldn't that be the same as becoming that which you hate the most?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.03 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
In that case, Goonswarm is breaking the EULA by making concord spawn and straining the server.
Of course you know the difference, but since you're being sarcastic, why not play along...
Unintentional (but unavoidable) CONCORD spawns due to a response to a legitimate (EULA-wise) gank attempt are fine.
Spawning CONCORD for the sake of spawning CONCORD (for "pre-emptive protection") isn't.
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Hipogfryf
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Posted - 2009.07.03 09:49:00 -
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but isint ganking hulks causing extra strainign to servers too, therefor against eula?
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.03 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
In that case, Goonswarm is breaking the EULA by making concord spawn and straining the server. The carebears are trying to relieve stress on the server by removing the roids in the belts.
I think all roids should be removed from empire.
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Wai Ng'Tse
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Posted - 2009.07.03 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
In that case, Goonswarm is breaking the EULA by making concord spawn and straining the server.
Of course you know the difference, but since you're being sarcastic, why not play along...
Unintentional (but unavoidable) CONCORD spawns due to a response to a legitimate (EULA-wise) gank attempt are fine.
Spawning CONCORD for the sake of spawning CONCORD (for "pre-emptive protection") isn't.
CCP should just tweak concord mechanics a bit so that not so many spawn = not so much strain. Everybody's happy, and then it's no longer a grey area to spawn concord by creating aggro.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.03 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hipogfryf
but isint ganking hulks causing extra strainign to servers too, therefor against eula?
If CONCORD caused actual real lag, they would be despawned after the Criminals had left the vicinity. But they don't. They hang around till downtime.
So if CCP want to rule their own inept design as an exploit, I'm good with that. But as with all exploits, they're only actually exploits if you get caught, and until then, they're not. Also of CCP's design.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.07.03 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Go to 0.0 allready and stop bugging us hi sec dwellers.
how about you go to 0.0! the roids are bigger there anyways, and you don't have to worry about gankers.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.03 10:34:00 -
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Here's my advice:
1.) Buffer tank your Hulks (they will need more ships to pop you)
2.) Mine away from trade hubs (they will travel farther to replace their ships)
3.) Do not fit any faction mods (they will get less ISK from popping you)
4.) Do not cry (they will get less satisfaction and no tear-fuel from you to keep them going)
5.) Have someone with a ECM Burst around (causing them all to lose lock after the first volley and get popped while they try to lock again is probably reason to laugh at them for a change, granted, the ECM burst ship will probably get its own CONCORD spawn)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.03 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
So if CCP want to rule their own inept design as an exploit, I'm good with that. But as with all exploits, they're only actually exploits if you get caught, and until then, they're not. Also of CCP's design.
That's why I said "not very likely, but possible"
Still, the biomassing and replacement of alts used to trigger a CONCORD response, that would be always deemed an exploit.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.03 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: VP Biden
Per Mittens the douche bag's guide to suiciding hulks: "Do not engage if Concord has already spawned in the location of your target."
Go to your favorite veldspar buffet and get a friend or another account with a garbage character to attack your ship (using a rookie ship). Concord is now on hand to instantly deal with any goonswarm DBs.
First, its an exploit, and 2nd, it can be circumvented. :)
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.03 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hipogfryf
but isint ganking hulks causing extra strainign to servers too, therefor against eula?
Your posting adds strain to the eve-o forums. Stop now, or i will report you !
You have been warned !!!
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.03 11:48:00 -
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mhm use trial on someone else hulk ?:D
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.07.03 12:03:00 -
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Just a reminder - CONCORD will only attack once shots are fired. If the gankers bring enough firepower to kill you on the first salvo, all the CONCORD ships in the world won't prevent your Hulk getting popped.
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.07.03 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: 000Hunter000
Go to 0.0 allready and stop bugging us hi sec dwellers.
how about you go to 0.0! the roids are bigger there anyways, and you don't have to worry about gankers.
wh roids are even bigger :P
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.03 13:18:00 -
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Well,if all you high sec dwellers wouldn't cry like babies when your ships get blown up they'd have become bored of ganking you ages ago.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.03 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator
Well,if all you high sec dwellers wouldn't cry like babies when your ships get blown up they'd have become bored of ganking you ages ago.
This exactly. They're doing it for the fun of it. So the objective of the bears is to make it as much a unfunny and tedious grind for them as possible.
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lola Dio
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator
Well,if all you high sec dwellers wouldn't cry like babies when your ships get blown up they'd have become bored of ganking you ages ago.
You know, I'm a noob to EVE. But I have seen so many posts just like this one. The funny thing is there is WAY more crying done by the pirate/merc whatever community. I mean every post about these goes the same way. "Carebear's" lol, try to come up with ideas to help a given situation. Followed by the inevitable "thats an exploit WAH!, Thats not right! WAH!, You guys need to go 0.0 (of course, because I have way more skill points, and all specced to combat. and i and my toadies will gank u seconds. and then will be able to elaborate as to how u are a noob, and shouldve checked rules of that system. or payed more attention. or some other such nonsense.). I mean honestly I lawl my self silly. When I constantly see whiny tear filled posts by lo sec gankers, saying that carebears cry too much. First time i came to forums I had to reread several posts trying to find the crying carebear post I missed.
Now granted there are some crying carebears out there. But they cant compare to the whining emo'ness that is the lo sec forum carebear. But plz keep it up. Its always good for a laugh. WARP STABS ARE OP! WAHHH!!! as I heard in local one day in trip thru lo sec.
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Midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: lola Dio
Originally by: Doomed Predator
Well,if all you high sec dwellers wouldn't cry like babies when your ships get blown up they'd have become bored of ganking you ages ago.
You know, I'm a noob to EVE. But I have seen so many posts just like this one. The funny thing is there is WAY more crying done by the pirate/merc whatever community. I mean every post about these goes the same way. "Carebear's" lol, try to come up with ideas to help a given situation. Followed by the inevitable "thats an exploit WAH!, Thats not right! WAH!, You guys need to go 0.0 (of course, because I have way more skill points, and all specced to combat. and i and my toadies will gank u seconds. and then will be able to elaborate as to how u are a noob, and shouldve checked rules of that system. or payed more attention. or some other such nonsense.). I mean honestly I lawl my self silly. When I constantly see whiny tear filled posts by lo sec gankers, saying that carebears cry too much. First time i came to forums I had to reread several posts trying to find the crying carebear post I missed.
Now granted there are some crying carebears out there. But they cant compare to the whining emo'ness that is the lo sec forum carebear. But plz keep it up. Its always good for a laugh. WARP STABS ARE OP! WAHHH!!! as I heard in local one day in trip thru lo
sec.
Warp stabs are overpowere?... My heavy dictor disagrees...
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lola Dio
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:03:00 -
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Well dont shot the messenger hero. Tell the Carebear I left behind in the assault ship.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.07.03 15:53:00 -
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goons out ganking hulks again?
I guess they got too little to do :P
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Kara Xandi
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:48:00 -
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It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
indeed
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:03:00 -
[32]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
indeed
No.
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Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:04:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Bodrul on 03/07/2009 17:05:14
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
indeed
signed.
people who get the wrath of concord deserve to lose insurance.
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No Homo
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:13:00 -
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We're gonna need a mop to clean up all the tears in this thread
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Kewso
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:13:00 -
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people have been intentionally spawning concord for last 2 years that I know cause I've had whining pirate wanna be's say they were gonna petition only to flame cause ccp ignored them.
hehe
oops I shot my buddy by accident with my ibis and got popped in this belt :(
ok ill go mine instead in same belt :)
wait for pirate tears
haha
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Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: No Homo
We're gonna need a mop to clean up all the tears in this thread
why Mop when you can use
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Only when they also increase CONCORD response time so that commercial suicide ganking is still viable for the more valuable cargos or when you are prepared to take the loss.
Wouldn't want highsec to be completely safe.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Fixed 
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dibsi Dei on 03/07/2009 17:27:05
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP removed insurance.
fixed
edit: damn you akita!
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Kara Xandi
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:27:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Fixed
Isn't there a level 4 mission thread you should be lurking in?
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Fixed
Will never happen. Just think of the noobs.
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:36:00 -
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Look it's easy -
Buffer tank your hulk, ignore what the mining guide says about deadspace shield boosters, that's only for tanking rat BS's. Instead fit a Damage Control II in the lows to get resists on your structure and some Invuln Field II's and Mag Scattering Amps II in the Mids and you'll easily get over twice the EHP of 'The Miners Guide' hulks.
Use a character with higher security status so that concord arrives sooner.
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Only when they also increase CONCORD response time so that commercial suicide ganking is still viable for the more valuable cargos or when you are prepared to take the loss.
Wouldn't want highsec to be completely safe.
You'd still be able to profitably gank valuable cargo. It would just have to be far more valuable cargo than what you're ganking now. With or without insurance, as long as you can fire a weapon and kill someone before you die, high sec is never safe.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.07.03 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Fixed
Will never happen. Just think of the noobs.
We'll let them keep their frigate/destroyer insurance programs.
Nice nerf for the "skip destroyers and buy a cruiser" plans too.
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Ryhss
Caldari
The Last Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.03 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse
just sounds like metagaming, probs not an exploit.
I agree with this.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.03 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Vernet
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Only when they also increase CONCORD response time so that commercial suicide ganking is still viable for the more valuable cargos or when you are prepared to take the loss.Wouldn't want highsec to be completely safe.
You'd still be able to profitably gank valuable cargo. It would just have to be far more valuable cargo than what you're ganking now. With or without insurance, as long as you can fire a weapon and kill someone before you die, high sec is never safe.
But those higher-value cargoes will be carried in heavier-tanked ships, so to keep it profitable, they'll have to give the attackers a longer window of opportunity to take down the target.
So it's a fairly reasonable trade: no insurance for suiciding is traded against easier suiciding.
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Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.03 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 03/07/2009 18:46:06
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Such Insurance payouts are no more unrealistic than police who always automatically appear within 5-20 seconds, and always bring enough firepower to always neutralise the offender instantly. For free.
If you want to argue for a realistic insurance policy alongside a realistic response to lawbreakers that costs something like what it's worth, then you have my support every step of the way.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.03 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Such Insurance payouts are no more unrealistic than police who always automatically appear within 5-20 seconds, and always bring enough firepower to always neutralise the offender instantly. For free.]
Well if the real life cops had teleportation, invulnerability and the ability to one shot pretty much any criminal they wanted they just might well do it for free. No risk no reward right?
Originally by: Vaden Khale
He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Velvet Sinner
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Posted - 2009.07.03 19:13:00 -
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Um, yeah.... Goonies and gankers do it and it's using a game mechanic, and miners do it and it's an exploit?
Fail. I smell ganker tears and complaints approaching.
I agree. End all insurance payouts to CONCORD kills. In fact, FINE the gankers TRIPLE the expected insurance payout. :)
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Warped Pestilence
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Posted - 2009.07.03 19:16:00 -
[50]
Posting to say there is an official issue regarding the insurance payout from CONCORD actions going on in Assembly Hall forum channel.
Please support this AH thread if you also think insurance payouts for pirate actions in hisec is absurd.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2009.07.03 19:26:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
This tbfh!!!
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buttesauce
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Posted - 2009.07.03 19:37:00 -
[52]
people act like removing insurance will stop the jihad
well 400b a month from moons will buy a hell of a lot of suicide BSes even without insurance.
you guys aren't safe
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.03 19:53:00 -
[53]
Originally by: buttesauce
people act like removing insurance will stop the jihad
well 400b a month from moons will buy a hell of a lot of suicide BSes even without insurance.
you guys aren't safe
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Ronos
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Posted - 2009.07.03 19:57:00 -
[54]
Bah, who cares. Goons figured out a reason and a way to kill hulks in empire... and carebears fight back by figuring a way to protect themselves....
I LOVE IT. It's like a chess game... move, counter move, counter counter move...
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.07.03 20:00:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
This!
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C0nundrum
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Posted - 2009.07.03 21:56:00 -
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Why not just let the alt slowly get to -10.0 sec status in high-sec? Instead of biomassing the alt and replacing, which afaik is in exploit, just keep the character in a safespot flying a pod in your favorite mining system. When its time to spawn more Concord, hop your main into an Ibis, fly over to the safespot, and eject. Go back to station, get in your mining ship, and head to the belt. Alt would then hop in the Ibis and fly it over to the belt you are in and pew pew your miner. Concord shows up, alt is further into the negative sec status, and he just flys back to the safe spot and logs.
When you need Concord at another belt for protection, repeat the process.
Unless of course spawning Concord in and of itself is considered an exploit, even if you dont biomass the character with bad sec status.
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Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.03 22:27:00 -
[57]
Originally by: buttesauce
people act like removing insurance will stop the jihad
well 400b a month from moons will buy a hell of a lot of suicide BSes even without insurance.
you guys aren't safe
and there i thought it was a crusade 
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.03 23:45:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Zeba on 03/07/2009 23:45:53
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: buttesauce
people act like removing insurance will stop the jihad
well 400b a month from moons will buy a hell of a lot of suicide BSes even without insurance.
you guys aren't safe
Lol. If they use up those 400bil fooling around in highsec, they'll get run over in 0.0 when they can no longer pay the POS fuel bills and capital replacements.
Like the average goon is going to see even a single isk of that 400bil even after the infrastructure gets its cut. Just like bob all the real isk goes to the top goonie alliance members whilst the common worker bee has to subside on ratting and an alt missioner for his frigates and suicide bs.
Originally by: Vaden Khale
He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Kaaii
Caldari
KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.04 00:05:00 -
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Quote:
But what for the future? We have a taskforce (Named TaskForce Doughnut!) which is dedicated to looking over these changes and proposing plans for the future. We have already started work on the above, but the future holds more changes. In addition, the highly requested feature of removal of insurance in CONCORD related events will be implemented in the near future. The CONCORD changes and Security penalty will be hitting TQ this fall, with Empyrean Age 1.1. Be safe out there! CCP Fear
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
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Director of Community Relations,
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Essence Praetor
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 00:17:00 -
[60]
Concord is getting buffed again next patch so...
carebears rejoice....
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Haraukiae Youik
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Posted - 2009.07.04 01:19:00 -
[61]
Maybee it is about time that CCP stopped tilting the playing field against PVE players. You are all aware I am sure that there are wormholes which open from 0.0 direct into hi sec empire space. Is it a stretch of the imagination to consider the ease with which attacks on hi sec Empire can now be launched?
So they can't bring a titan in, but how many BS? And even if you got a group together are you going into 0.0 when you cannot by CCP fiat fight on the same terms with the same ships since you cannot in a police action, build them in hi sec.?
Suicide or flight it seems to be CCP's desire that we should all have targets, little red NPC crosses on our backs for the enjoyment of nul sec and pirates. Perhaps in a fair fight we would beat them? Is that CCP's fear?
Concorde, smonkorde, you sit around and wait to be hit, you will be.
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Xiao LoPan
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Posted - 2009.07.04 01:45:00 -
[62]
in battle pvp players will always have things tilted in their favor, every mmo i have played pvp and pve require different builds and gear, someone ready and fit for pking will beat someone ready and fit for mission/questing thats just how things are.
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Feisty Kitten
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Posted - 2009.07.04 03:14:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 03/07/2009 08:33:09
Originally by: Booken Blue
Getting shot at is an exploit?
Intentionally spawning CONCORD so they're already on grid if you're later attacked by someone who actually intends on killing you.
no you have the exploit mixed up. Intentionally moving concord OUT of the belt using the method described is the exploit. |
Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.07.04 03:47:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Only when they also increase CONCORD response time so that commercial suicide ganking is still viable for the more valuable cargos or when you are prepared to take the loss.
Wouldn't want highsec to be completely safe.
I agree that the possibility of suicide ganking should always be there, but it's silly that an insurance company pays out when the policy holder blatantly committed a crime knowing the ship would get blown up. That's like taking your car in a high-speed chase with the cops and expecting your insurance to replace it when it gets trashed.
Pend Insurance must be the dumbest company ever. I'm just saying.
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2009.07.04 04:28:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Haraukiae Youik
Maybee it is about time that CCP stopped tilting the playing field against PVE players. You are all aware I am sure that there are wormholes which open from 0.0 direct into hi sec empire space. Is it a stretch of the imagination to consider the ease with which attacks on hi sec Empire can now be launched?
So they can't bring a titan in, but how many BS? And even if you got a group together are you going into 0.0 when you cannot by CCP fiat fight on the same terms with the same ships since you cannot in a police action, build them in hi sec.?
Suicide or flight it seems to be CCP's desire that we should all have targets, little red NPC crosses on our backs for the enjoyment of nul sec and pirates. Perhaps in a fair fight we would beat them? Is that CCP's fear?
Concorde, smonkorde, you sit around and wait to be hit, you will be.
u scared?
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buttesauce
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Posted - 2009.07.04 07:09:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Pend Insurance must be the dumbest company ever. I'm just saying.
They must be in league with the big trit companies! Pend is encouraging reckless behavior by providing extremely good rates. In exchange the big trit companies are giving Pend a cut since the good insurance is raising the price of trit because of the demand from lost ships.
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Eradication Project
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Posted - 2009.07.04 08:28:00 -
[67]
Originally by: 000Hunter000
Always the same, someone finds a way to annoy a few carebears and it's called a feature, then te carebear finds a clever way to deal with this 'feature' and they call it unfair...
Go to 0.0 allready and stop bugging us hi sec dwellers.
used to be that if you bumped a ship far enough from a gate in hi sec and out of range of sentry guns.. then got a alt to spawn concord at the gate. they would have to sly boat all the 200km to where said bumped ship was being shot at in high sec.
suicide in high sec = sec loss, that is not a feature that is a side effect of breakign concord laws.
next youre going to say jumping between 3 -6 corps to avoid a war dec is a feature? imo its an exploit!
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Eradication Project
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Posted - 2009.07.04 08:33:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Feisty Kitten
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 03/07/2009 08:33:09
Originally by: Booken Blue
Getting shot at is an exploit?
Intentionally spawning CONCORD so they're already on grid if you're later attacked by someone who actually intends on killing you.
no you have the exploit mixed up. Intentionally moving concord OUT of the belt using the method described is the exploit.
as far as i am concerned... concord spawns for every neutral ship you attack...
so if i was to smart bomb 6 hulks and a hauler in a belt. that would be 7 seperate spawns showing up to own my ass.
now if someoen was to use a main to make that concord spawn then thats cool as imo. but using a throw away alt aint cool.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.07.04 08:59:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Essence Praetor
Concord is getting buffed again next patch so...
seriously? 
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Eradication Project
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Posted - 2009.07.04 09:14:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Essence Praetor
Concord is getting buffed again next patch so...
seriously?
hope not...
cant stop 4 smart bombing bs's who WILL take out the pod as well ...
also yet to see anything on it. ( concord buff )
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Kaaii
Caldari
KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.04 09:46:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Essence Praetor
Concord is getting buffed again next patch so...
seriously?
hope not...
cant stop 4 smart bombing bs's who WILL take out the pod as well ...
also yet to see anything on it. ( concord buff )
You mean this?
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
kieron
Director of Community Relations,
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.07.04 09:54:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Essence Praetor
Concord is getting buffed again next patch so...
seriously?
hope not...
cant stop 4 smart bombing bs's who WILL take out the pod as well ...
also yet to see anything on it. ( concord buff )
You mean this?
Quote:
reported by CCP Fear | 2008.08.06 02:58:31
Yes might wanna check dates on stuff before linking that happened ages ago ;)
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Eradication Project
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Posted - 2009.07.04 11:24:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Lady Aja on 04/07/2009 11:24:46
Edited by: Lady Aja on 04/07/2009 11:24:40
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Essence Praetor
Concord is getting buffed again next patch so...
seriously?
hope not...
cant stop 4 smart bombing bs's who WILL take out the pod as well ...
also yet to see anything on it. ( concord buff )
You mean this?
No i want proof.. that is not prrof. infact thats past its use by date. you fail!
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.04 11:37:00 -
[74]
All Hulk pilots must be purged.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 11:42:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Haraukiae Youik
Maybee it is about time that CCP stopped tilting the playing field against PVE players.
Maybe it's about time you came to terms with the fact that your ship is at risk the instant you undock.
PvE players have had security buff after security buff. And the instant you get one, the whining starts for MORE MORE MORE.
In short: I fully support the revival of Jihadswarm. It's exactly the kind of thing that goons should be doing. Reminding people like you that it's cold and dark in space, and you can't trust anyone.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 11:53:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Malcanis on 04/07/2009 11:55:20
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Kara Xandi
It's about time CCP stopped insurance payouts to ships destroyed by Concord.
Only when they also increase CONCORD response time so that commercial suicide ganking is still viable for the more valuable cargos or when you are prepared to take the loss.
Wouldn't want highsec to be completely safe.
I agree that the possibility of suicide ganking should always be there, but it's silly that an insurance company pays out when the policy holder blatantly committed a crime knowing the ship would get blown up. That's like taking your car in a high-speed chase with the cops and expecting your insurance to replace it when it gets trashed.
Pend Insurance must be the dumbest company ever. I'm just saying.
Nothing about Insurance in EvE makes sense. No RL insurance company would pay for 95% of the ship losses in EvE. In fact just about the only losses that they might recompense are the ones that EvE insurance doesn't cover (corp theft).
They wouldn't pay out for ships lost:
Ratting
Anywhere in 0.0 or lo-sec for any reason
Missioning
War-decs
Self-destructing
Suicide ganking (or getting concorded for any other reason)
Pirating
Anti-Pirating
Faction Warfare
Mining in a belt in 0.8 or lower
Can baiting
Can baited
In fact, I cant think of any circumstance that they'd reimburse a pod-pilot's ship, with the possible exception of being suicide ganked, and even then only if you could show that you took the safest possible route. Thereare probably a couple of other ways, but they're pretty far to the right of the bell curve on the "reason for ship loss" chart.
And even if they did, which they wouldn't, they certainly wouldn't pay out 40% over market value for a single premium of 40% of the ship's value.
In short EvE "insurance" has virtually nothing in common with RL insrance but the name.
It's an in-game mechanism that provides 2 benefits:
(1) It keeps pilots able to buy some kind of ship, no matter how badly they do or for what reason they lose their ship.
(2) It provides a hard floor on ship prices, and by extension mineral prices. Without Insurance, mineral prices would drop through the floor, probably to about what platinum insurance costs now.
If you think miners have it bad with the occasional suicide gank, wait till you see how things are when Ravens sell for 38M ISK.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:08:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Malcanis
EvE is not "The USA in space" with respect to it's laws and ethics.
Hasn't the USA proven time after time that the socalled "respect to it's laws and ethics" is mainly something for people with money?
If the USA was the place you described wouldn't the jails and prisons be less populated?
Quote:
At best, hi-sec is like Moscow, riddled with corruption, violence and treachery, with only the most egregious outbreaks of obvious violence being punished by the authorities, who in any case don't really give a toss about you, especially as you dont pay any taxes or owe them any loyalty. They just suppress outbreaks of open weapons fire - unless they've been paid off. They certainly wont lift a finger to get you your stuff back - why the hell should they? You're not a citizen.
Same applies to the USA, just that they are better in hiding this.
Basicly you say that when your better at hiding the bad stuff your ok, if not then you stink.
Don't try to lighten up a country by posting misleading stories. When we all take a closer look at the USA the farts stink just as bad in the USA as in Russia.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:12:00 -
[78]
The USA is hardly perfect, but you're just talking rubbish if you think it's remotely as bad as Russia when it comes to corruption and violence.
Anyway, this aint about this country vs that country. You know perfectly well what I meant.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:43:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
All Hulk pilots must be purged.
As a Hulk driver myself I shout out my love and admiration for those heroes of the realm who are so formidably superior and adept at the game that the target they love best is one that can't shoot back. Nothing convinces so much as the argument of the frank coward who won't commit to his beloved PvP game in anything that resembles a real battleship because fighting in a Tech II or III hull would be too expensive to lose. However, converging on a ship that serves no combat purpose, engaged in honest industry, now there's the plump, risk-free target.
Let's show how superior we are, how terrible the might of our indomitable onslaught by striking with banshee-like ferocity at that ship of which we know that it has not defences [all the scenarios where Hulks are tanked ignore the fact that this takes away from the Hulk's capacity to do that for which it was designed, -only- so it would stand a slightly better chance to survive the attack by the terminally frustrated] and cry out in orgasmic glee about how wonderfully we 0wnz0rz [I speak l337 with an accent only].
I would like to take this opportunity to invite my fellow miners to the idea of placing Tritanium on the global New Eden market for no less than 10.0 ISK a unit, just so we can cover the loss of the mining vessels that fall prey to the relentless pursuit of the emo-population that needs to give special attention to their e-peen. Maybe we can then share in the general discomfort of having to pay real money to replace the space frames lost to a mere lack of imagination [or courage?] of the pirating community. Or maybe we could find a balance where some of them would start mining in a Retriever to acquire the ores to build replacements for their own losses. I would be greatly amused by the idea.
Hero!
Abulurd Boniface
ME ME
CEO
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:44:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Abulurd Boniface
I would like to take this opportunity to invite my fellow miners to the idea of placing Tritanium on the global New Eden market for no less than 10.0 ISK a unit...
Although you probably think you're being very sarcastic or clever or something, I would in all seriousness encourage you to do exactly this.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.07.04 12:49:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Which is an exploit.
Sounds like emergent game play to me.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.04 13:51:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 04/07/2009 13:51:12
Originally by: Abulurd Boniface
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
All Hulk pilots must be purged.
Durr.
I pilot Hulks myself dumbass, my point is that people need to stop thinking High-sec is supposed to be some happy care-free land where people can stay away from the nasty ebil piwatz rawr. High-security space is safer. It isn't safe. What Jihadswarm does reinforces this, and it's a damn good thing, because otherwise we're just going to head towards a typical MMO direction where PVP becomes optional, which EVE isn't about.
Edit: CCP why the hell does the forum keep logging me out and stop me posting?
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Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.04 14:08:00 -
[83]
We've killed 3-4 Hulks in the same belt many times.
I have an easier guide for you:
1. Don't AFK mine.
2. See step 1.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration
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Posted - 2009.07.04 15:26:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 04/07/2009 13:51:12
Originally by: Abulurd Boniface
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
All Hulk pilots must be purged.
Durr.
I pilot Hulks myself dumbass, my point is that people need to stop thinking High-sec is supposed to be some happy care-free land where people can stay away from the nasty ebil piwatz rawr. High-security space is safer. It isn't safe. What Jihadswarm does reinforces this, and it's a damn good thing, because otherwise we're just going to head towards a typical MMO direction where PVP becomes optional, which EVE isn't about.
Edit: CCP why the hell does the forum keep logging me out and stop me posting?
You make your point badly.
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 16:33:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Abulurd Boniface
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
All Hulk pilots must be purged.
I pilot Hulks myself dumbass, my point is that people need to stop thinking High-sec is supposed to be some happy care-free land where people can stay away from the nasty ebil piwatz rawr. High-security space is safer. It isn't safe. What Jihadswarm does reinforces this, and it's a damn good thing, because otherwise we're just going to head towards a typical MMO direction where PVP becomes optional, which EVE isn't about.
Edit: CCP why the hell does the forum keep logging me out and stop me posting?
You make your point badly.
But even if that is true, it that doesn't change the fact that it is a good point and that you have failed to answer it at all.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
Mercantile Exchange for Mining And Exploration
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Posted - 2009.07.04 16:50:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 04/07/2009 16:50:37
Originally by: Malcanis
You make your point badly.
But even if that is true, it that doesn't change the fact that it is a good point and that you have failed to answer it at all.
I fail to answer the point for no other reason than that it is made poorly. How do you propose I offer an argument against 6 words that strongly indicate hostility towards Hulk pilots? I can read minds now?
I get it! The poster is a woman. She thinks because she knows what she's talking about, everybody else knows it as well. And then, when I'm perceived as not answering the point, it's my fault because I don't offer an argument against the chain of reasoning that culminated in "All Hulk pilots must be purged", but which poster clearly could not be bothered to elaborate on.
Yep, now I get it.
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 17:07:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Abulurd Boniface
Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 04/07/2009 16:50:37
Originally by: Malcanis
You make your point badly.
But even if that is true, it that doesn't change the fact that it is a good point and that you have failed to answer it at all.
I fail to answer the point for no other reason than that it is made poorly. How do you propose I offer an argument against 6 words that strongly indicate hostility towards Hulk pilots? I can read minds now?
I get it! The poster is a woman. She thinks because she knows what she's talking about, everybody else knows it as well. And then, when I'm perceived as not answering the point, it's my fault because I don't offer an argument against the chain of reasoning that culminated in "All Hulk pilots must be purged", but which poster clearly could not be bothered to elaborate on.
Yep, now I get it.
Since he expanded on his 6 word slogan with rather more than 6 words, and you replied to his expansion rather than the original, it rather seems that you dont get it.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.04 17:29:00 -
[88]
A while ago I created an alt and formed a corporation called "The Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective". Its purpose was to drive my competitors from my part of Genesis by suiciding their mining barges. So, given that I have direct knoelefge of this, I hope you don't mind be saying.
IT DOES NOT WORK
Any concord spawns on the grid just sit there eating their donuts while a totally new spawn is created to deal with the new infraction.
Mods: Could you move this thread to the General Discussion board on the World of Warcraft forums because it would fit in so well there.
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Haraukiae Youik
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Posted - 2009.07.04 18:00:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Xiao LoPan
in battle pvp players will always have things tilted in their favor, every mmo i have played pvp and pve require different builds and gear, someone ready and fit for pking will beat someone ready and fit for mission/questing thats just how things are.
That is/was not my point. Any player can fit any gear for any purpsoe. My point is that CCP does not allow an equal playing field.
Thought experiment. There is no 0.0, there is no lo sec, there is only hi sec. There is no Concord. For a criminal act you are punished by other players. Would hulks be dying if those criminals were punished with the same passion by which posts about ganking are made and discussed privately? Who says 0.0 corps should rule the game. Why should not Empire have to might and right to do so?End of story. 
Forget the mindset of the present EVE. EVE was not always like this and I believe you know that. Instead of trying to excuse the devs I say we should do what is not really in our nature. Apparently around here if you complain about imbalance long enough and with enough force CCP attempts to take action (something which is always charming to watch.)
You make excuses for the people to which you pay your money then nothing happens.
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Commander Lorelai
CONCORD Operations
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Posted - 2009.07.04 18:17:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Haraukiae Youik
Who says 0.0 corps should rule the game. Why should not Empire have to might and right to do so?
Well, CCP actually stated that they try to make the game so that players control as much as possible.
And since 0.0 is completly controlled by players, all the good captial stuff happens there, the station building, i gues CCP indirectly made a point that 0.0 is the future and empire shouldn't be somewhere the players stay in forever.
Believe me i would like to see it different, some eve online pve server would make my day personally.
Bet there would be less crying too.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.04 18:26:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Commander Lorelai
Believe me i would like to see it different, some eve online pve server would make my day personally.
Bet there would be less crying too.
Seeing as how it would collapse from its own staticness in roughly no days at all, I'd thing we weould see a lot of crying if that happened.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Commander Lorelai
CONCORD Operations
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Posted - 2009.07.04 19:25:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Tippia
Seeing as how it would collapse from its own staticness in roughly no days at all, I'd thing we weould see a lot of crying if that happened.
Your right, if they would just unallow players to shoot eachother & call it a pve server then there is gonna be a lot of crying.
It has to stay challenging for players to gain & hold space.
Currently AI sucks and pve ends up repetative.
It would require a lot work to make the AI vs player work in low sec.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 19:47:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Commander Lorelai
Believe me i would like to see it different, some eve online pve server would make my day personally.
Bet there would be less crying too.
Seeing as how it would collapse from its own staticness in roughly no days at all, I'd thing we weould see a lot of crying if that happened.
A PvE server could be a huge $-maker for CCP.
Server transfer fees... 
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.04 19:49:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Malcanis
A PvE server could be a huge $-maker for CCP.
Server transfer fees...
At least when they plan to scrap EVE and finance another game development with the sudden influx of money and following quick death of EVE.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Discrodia
Gallente
Blood Red Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.04 20:28:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Malcanis
A PvE server could be a huge $-maker for CCP.
Server transfer fees...
At least when they plan to scrap EVE and finance another game development with the sudden influx of money and following quick death of EVE.
Then we all panic and prepare for the combined zombie-robot uprising.
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Discrodia > Annoying idiots in 0.0 is my business. Business keeps picking up.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.07.05 17:07:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Malcanis
A PvE server could be a huge $-maker for CCP.
Haha, that would be something. But then again they are planning a single player eve, don't know why lolwhypvpbears couldn't use that.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.05 17:10:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Malcanis
A PvE server could be a huge $-maker for CCP.
Haha, that would be something. But then again they are planning a single player eve, don't know why lolwhypvpbears couldn't use that.
A part of me really wants a "PvE only" server. At the very least it would enable me to say to anyone on TQ complaining about the mean ol' nasty pirates that they have that option.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.07.05 20:27:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Malcanis
A PvE server could be a huge $-maker for CCP.
Haha, that would be something. But then again they are planning a single player eve, don't know why lolwhypvpbears couldn't use that.
A part of me really wants a "PvE only" server. At the very least it would enable me to say to anyone on TQ complaining about the mean ol' nasty pirates that they have that option.
The upcoming space mmos could help you out with that also, I guess; Jumpdoor II and whatever the other one was.
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buttesauce
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Posted - 2009.07.05 20:36:00 -
[99]
if you couldn't attack people in empire space then it would just ruin one of the aspects of the game. it is perfectly easy to avoid getting ganked or jihaded if you pay attention and use your brain.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.07.05 23:40:00 -
[100]
put DCU,resits/trimarks/plates, invuls on a hulk and have a RR BS perma repping it on a 2nd account... or put AB/MWD on a nanohulk and fly around the roids and put cap transfers on that BS.
don't have a 2nd account? hire someone with a BS who would do that afk
uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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