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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.05.22 08:53:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:
a bunch of publords moaning on the forums and flooding the inboxes of every halfassed gaming media site?
Well, as I recall another bunch of pubbies went on crying no harm done and then the Mitty himself admitted he had gone way too far with it. He even stepped down himself because of it. yet his fanboi's make his appology look fake by keeping on saying it was nothing.
You are actually doing the opposite of what he wanted to achieve with his appology, but your head seems to be up your butt too far to being able to see that. Mittens manned up and said he's sorry and took the consequences, it's the 10,058 fanboi's that still keep crying about it.
So grow some pubehairs and man up like Mittens did. Move on and plan something new for people ***** and moan about.
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Basic Autopilot
Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Banderlogs Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:31:00 -
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Monopoly -> High Prices -> Need More Money -> Buy More PLEX -> More CCP Profit
Am I right or is it not so simple? |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
422
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:35:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:
a bunch of publords moaning on the forums and flooding the inboxes of every halfassed gaming media site?
Well, as I recall another bunch of pubbies went on crying no harm done and then the Mitty himself admitted he had gone way too far with it. He even stepped down himself because of it. yet his fanboi's make his appology look fake by keeping on saying it was nothing. You are actually doing the opposite of what he wanted to achieve with his appology, but your head seems to be up your butt too far to being able to see that. Mittens manned up and said he's sorry and took the consequences, it's the 10,058 fanboi's that still keep crying about it. So grow some pubehairs and man up like Mittens did. Move on and plan something new for people ***** and moan about.
Considering that you're one of those who constantly moans about Goonswarm and Mittens at every turn you should probably take your own advice. eh |

4IN1
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:59:00 -
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Wait, wasn't Mitty later say its all some under-the-table interweb politics between CCP and god-knows-who?
Not that I have anything to complain about though, not in that position anyway.
CCP: Ambition but rubbish
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Manar Detri
8
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:04:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:So a group of players looked at a sandbox and saw a way to profit that needed large numbers of people and a lot of planning and execution.
They then realised that as a sandbox they could do anything as long as it was inside the Eula so they did.
If you nerfed tech just because a group of people took the inituative then this would no longer be a sandbox.
Good luck to those Basement dwelliing, mountain dew drinking, cry themselves to sleep everynight idiots and everything they stand for.
They have generated more publicity for this game than anyone else for a long long time
Ccp did nerf titans cuz someone had too many of them, this wouldn't be any different  |

Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:42:00 -
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Ya know nothing is gonna happen at all |

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
143
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:51:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Another fine example why the prices of jump&bridge mechanics are way too low.
Irony: Duder who has no clue about the cost of mobilizing caps & supercaps commenting on the cost of mobilizing said caps & supercaps.
Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are. |

Skanky Pickle
Lords of More
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:53:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:So a group of players looked at a sandbox and saw a way to profit that needed large numbers of people and a lot of planning and execution.
They then realised that as a sandbox they could do anything as long as it was inside the Eula so they did.
If you nerfed tech just because a group of people took the inituative then this would no longer be a sandbox.
Good luck to those Basement dwelliing, mountain dew drinking, cry themselves to sleep everynight idiots and everything they stand for.
They have generated more publicity for this game than anyone else for a long long time
Ok while I don't disagree with the sentiment above I think it needs to be more evenly applied. The concept that a player works hard does the required research, operations takes accurate risks and now makes a large amount of money off it justifies the earning of the money is on that I think all players should apply when asking if something should be complained about/nerfed.
That being said, when the Incursion patch first came out it was not uncommon to see entire fleets whiped out while running a Vangard site, as time progressed and people put the time and effort into these events to come up with good fittings for running them to the degree that incursions became safer, then eventually a basic cash cow; the same people arguing to leave Tech alone are the same ones now saying "Hey we worked for this"
I find this interesting as someone that agrees with the incursions nerfs, because it shows how the sandbox argument only works in circumstances were people want it to apply.
Now before you dredge up your tired trolls and arguments about risk vs reward I understand exactly what the point and re-read the previous statement. I am just saying it reminds me of my children when they argue over a DS game,, "It's mine you can't have it, I want to play his, other child, "It's mine he can't have it" the entire time arguing that each others arguments are invalid.
Just hunting for some consistancy in whining I guess.
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Lord Zim
688
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:57:00 -
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Skanky Pickle wrote:That being said, when the Incursion patch first came out it was not uncommon to see entire fleets whiped out while running a Vangard site, as time progressed and people put the time and effort into these events to come up with good fittings for running them to the degree that incursions became safer, then eventually a basic cash cow; the same people arguing to leave Tech alone are the same ones now saying "Hey we worked for this" Who, exactly, are saying "leave tech alone"? |

Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:37:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Skanky Pickle wrote:That being said, when the Incursion patch first came out it was not uncommon to see entire fleets whiped out while running a Vangard site, as time progressed and people put the time and effort into these events to come up with good fittings for running them to the degree that incursions became safer, then eventually a basic cash cow; the same people arguing to leave Tech alone are the same ones now saying "Hey we worked for this" Who, exactly, are saying "leave tech alone"?
I'm thinking he means the people who are saying "Dont replace the Tech bottleneck with another bottleneck."
Just FYI, because people seem to be forgetting this. We want Tech to be fixed, we've wanted it fixed for a long, long time. We just don't want it to be fixed in another stupid, easily exploitable way. This has always been our stance. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
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Serina Tsukaya
Lonetrek Trade and Industries Test Friends Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:45:00 -
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You want tech to be redistributed?
That would mean that the goons would simply take all the new tech moons in the other regions.
Want the amount of tech needed for your T2 production to be reduced?
The goons would find the next big thing and the same would happen to that substance.
Going to ask dad to fix a problem you can't find a way to solve through your own actions is exactly how a child behaves, now the question must be asked, how old are you really? |

Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:49:00 -
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In a sandbox there's always a bigger kid. In EVE there's always a bigger nerd. Not a nerd? Geek with RL? Not able to play 23.5/7? That's brutal virtual reality. Get over it. |

Hedion's oracle
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:08:00 -
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"We won Eve" Ok guys we all better quit now cause goons won eve . And you wonder why everybody laughs at you guys, but please procede making stupid statements, its entertaining  |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:14:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Skanky Pickle wrote:That being said, when the Incursion patch first came out it was not uncommon to see entire fleets whiped out while running a Vangard site, as time progressed and people put the time and effort into these events to come up with good fittings for running them to the degree that incursions became safer, then eventually a basic cash cow; the same people arguing to leave Tech alone are the same ones now saying "Hey we worked for this" Who, exactly, are saying "leave tech alone"?
You. And every Goon on this thread.
You want an unfair advantage that even you can't defend.
So you lie and lie and lie.
The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke. |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:15:00 -
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Serina Tsukaya wrote:You want tech to be redistributed?
That would mean that the goons would simply take all the new tech moons in the other regions.
Want the amount of tech needed for your T2 production to be reduced?
The goons would find the next big thing and the same would happen to that substance.
Going to ask dad to fix a problem you can't find a way to solve through your own actions is exactly how a child behaves, now the question must be asked, how old are you really?
Well then, lets' try the experiment and find out. |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:16:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So you lie and lie and lie.
The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke.
Didn't you know Moon Goo is just repackaged Snake Oil ? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:24:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote: You. And every Goon on this thread.
You want an unfair advantage that even you can't defend.
So you lie and lie and lie.
The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke.
i pity you, really, and hope one day you get the help you need
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:25:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote: i pity you, really, and hope one day you get the help you need
Oh, it's Miss 'Gloomy-Gus' Thing. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Iture
Dead Space Alpha Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:33:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.
Seems reasonable. NAPTRAINS != effort Beside rules were biased - technetium redistribution. Why tech inst available across universe and then try again at winning.
Do you have any inkling of what it takes to organize a naptrain of that size?
You have to think about many different influences to keep your combat force effective.
Cyno routes, these are hard to setup and keep fueled if you can't keep sov or just don't want too, like in the case of a deployment/roadtrip.
Now let's look at logistics, fuel, ammunition, ships and fittings. hundreds of cyno jumps, billions and billions and billions of isk has to be spent. Not to mention the hours that many ceo's, directors, and logistics oriented pvpers have to spend jumping and hauling all of that crap.
Keeping bittervetsGäó Interested in actually fighting the war your alliance leaders have decided is necessary, like controlling technitium.
Thats just normal subcap stuff, now if we look at having to produce super caps for the alliance to fight its war with, you have even greater issues of security and viability of the campaign as a whole.
Since super caps are incredibly vulnerable while in the cooker, you also have to be ready to defend your home at a moments notice.
that is a short list, and i'm probably forgetting a huge amount of things. |

Hedion's oracle
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:37:00 -
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Sup B1tches wrote:Ya know nothing is gonna happen at all We know because CCP Soundwave will make sure Tec wont be redistrbuted. He knows Goons would have 0 chance of holding all the Tec at that point  |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
995
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:02:00 -
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goons trolling goons trolling goons |

Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:20:00 -
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Hedion's oracle wrote:"We won Eve"  Ok guys we all better quit now cause goons won eve  . And you wonder why everybody laughs at you guys, but please procede making stupid statements, its entertaining 
Half the cost of every T2 ship you lose or kill, is technetium isk that goes to us.
~leans back~ |

Lharanai
Empyrean Guard IMPERIAL LEGI0N
159
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:11:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.
Seems reasonable.
Not that I have a problem, as mentioned they put the effort into it and its a sandbox. But being the devils advocate I have to ask: 'why playing a game if it has already been won by someone else"
Edit: not that I agree with EVE has been won, but thats the message you get everywhere :) Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:14:00 -
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Hedion's oracle wrote:Sup B1tches wrote:Ya know nothing is gonna happen at all We know because CCP Soundwave will make sure Tec wont be redistrbuted. He knows Goons would have 0 chance of holding all the Tec at that point 
yes we're opposed to monumentally stupid ideas like redistribution, rotation or anything that addresses the root of the problem, the existence of the technetium bottleneck eh |

Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:22:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:You. And every Goon on this thread.
You want an unfair advantage that even you can't defend.
So you lie and lie and lie.
The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke.
Hey Jessie, I'm sure you probably have me on ignore, but I already responded to your constant insistence that we don't want the tech bottleneck nerfed.
You never responded to it, so I'll just post it here again.
Well I suppose that is why they are working on a good system to replace it then.
The Tech bottleneck happened in Late 2009, we lost Delve shortly after that, and chilled in Syndicate. After that we crashed with our friends TCF in Dek and worked with the NC until they fell apart, then took control of Dek. Honestly, none of that was really planned in order for us to get control of all that sweet, sweet Tech. It just sort of fell into our laps as we did our thing.
We've known that the Tech bottleneck was going to be a problem, and that it wouldn't take much for a monopoly on Technetium to happen. In fact, that was one of our original arguments against it. CCP didn't listen to our advice and now look where we are at.
It's been broken for around 2 1/2 years. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |

Lord Zim
688
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:26:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Who, exactly, are saying "leave tech alone"? You. And every Goon on this thread. No. You're a lying sack of **** and you should feel bad about yourself.
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:You want an unfair advantage that even you can't defend. Nope. But I won't say no to one when CCP decides to make one.
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So you lie and lie and lie.
The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke. Now you're lying and projecting. Biomass yourself. |

Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
478
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:26:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:
Considering that you're one of those who constantly moans about Goonswarm and Mittens at every turn you should probably take your own advice.
I do moan about Goonswarm and I do moan about Mittens. They do give enough ammo to shoot at them, don't you agree?
Goons and Mittens have worked hard to be the most hated and distrusted people in the game and now you moan that people express their dislike.
You really should have your clone checked on malfunctions in the intelligence department.
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:45:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:
Considering that you're one of those who constantly moans about Goonswarm and Mittens at every turn you should probably take your own advice.
I do moan about Goonswarm and I do moan about Mittens. They do give enough ammo to shoot at them, don't you agree? Goons and Mittens have worked hard to be the most hated and distrusted people in the game and now you moan that people express their dislike. You really should have your clone checked on malfunctions in the intelligence department.
But see, it's one thing to moan about Goons blowing up spaceships. It is totally another for people to go nuts and accuse CCP of favoritism towards GSF (when GSF has been at the forefront of exposing favoritism in the past), to accuse GSF of desiring to literally destroy the game (when we've actually been working hard to help fix the game, through the CSM and various GSF-driven initiatives), and to accuse GSF of being entirely made up of botters and RMTers (which have existed in GSF, just as they do almost everywhere in EVE). Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |

Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
193
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:47:00 -
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I have an interesting question, kinda strange but here it goes. Issues like tech come and go, not huge, but brought up.
So why is it once CCP says they have a good fix that will help keep stuff accessible to the smaller but resourceful, and says specifically how they are going to fix an imbalance do faceless alts start spamming threads saying to fix it?
They already are fixing it, wait for the proper mechanic to come out with the mining revamp
True story. |

Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:49:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I have an interesting question, kinda strange but here it goes. Issues like tech come and go, not huge, but brought up.
So why is it once CCP says they have a good fix that will help keep stuff accessible to the smaller but resourceful, and says specifically how they are going to fix an imbalance do faceless alts start spamming threads saying to fix it?
They already are fixing it, wait for the proper mechanic to come out with the mining revamp
True story.
Because, just like children, they don't have any concept of time or patience and they want it NOW! Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
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