Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.

Seems reasonable.

Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.

Seems reasonable.

So now all moons are officially in the hands of the cartel that is pretty much now untouchable.

CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.

NAPTRAINS != effort

Beside rules were biased - technetium redistribution.
Why tech inst available across universe and then try again at winning.

If you want a tech moon, I know of a relatively unknown one held in lowsec by a 10-man no-one corp. Pay me 2 bil and the system/planet/moon location is yours.

Same reason it's so valuable... if diamonds were shat out by squirrels they wouldn't be sought after or at all valuable

Can you biomass yourself instead ?

I love how people assume I'm lying.

No, technetium could be as valuable but was redistributed accros universe not just in few regions

Hmm hmm smug. So good. Sorry, been smuggling about this since I subscribed again. Hmm hmm.

Don't be stupid. You'd just be crying about something else.

Oh wait, that's the idea I guess.

I love how people assume I'm lying.

What have you done while we did all that? Sat in a highsec station .01 isking and complaining that other players who do more than you oddly seem to end up getting more than you.

If you nerfed tech just because a group of people took the inituative then this would no longer be a sandbox.

Character name does not imply what he is actually doing in game.

Another goon that fails at basic logic.

I can be named PlayingFromCCPsOffice it doesnt mean it is actually happening , you got that ?

NAPTRAINS != effort

Beside rules were biased - technetium redistribution.
Why tech inst available across universe and then try again at winning.

If you were aware of what's happening in game you should know by now goons are the first ones at previous CSM asking CCP to change this current status and make it worthy all across the Eve universe and not only a few regions.

So what or who are you really complaining about exactly?

If you were aware of what's happening in game you should know by now goons are the first ones at previous CSM asking CCP to change this current status and make it worthy all across the Eve universe and not only a few regions.

Quite. Please tell us then what exactly you do in game? I do hope it's something that justifies you calling for the hard work of thousands of players to be wiped out just because you're mad that someone else has all the cool toys.

Do you really think there wasn't already a cartel in place?

It just wasn't official.

Do you really think there wasn't already a cartel in place?

It just wasn't official.

Same reason it's so valuable... if diamonds were shat out by squirrels they wouldn't be sought after or at all valuable

And we all know what White Noise did with the isk.

If that was the truth they would support my thread not giving arguments against !!

WHERE IS LOGIC IN THIS UNIVERSE ??????

Another fine example why the prices of jump&bridge mechanics are way too low. There is simply no way nap-trains or resource cartels would work if the fuel consumption of especially capital ships was several orders of magnitude bigger then the pocket-change it is now.

Regions should fight neighbor regions again like it used to be. Not all nap-train together and then go curb-stomp much smaller alliances on the other side of the map. OTEC is only made possible because the Tech moons across several regions can all be protected on the drop of a hat, with the combined power of an entire hemisphere of the map.

Likewise, without cheap&safe JF-logistics dronepoo would never have become a problem for empire miners either.

These problems are mere symptoms of the underlying problem of low-cost, low-risk, excessive projection of power and logistic capabilities. CCP should fix the real cause.

You misunderstand us. We're not arguing that technetium shouldn't be nerfed. We're calling you a moron because we (CFC) warned everybody that it was a problem, campaigned that it should be fixed, publicly stated that we were going to start a cartel, killed a bunch of morons... and now you're crying foul. Calling for a stealth nerf because what we said would happen... happened. And now we get to act unbearably smug because not only do we have all that sweet Tech isk and the nearly bottomless tears of countless pubbies like you, but we're also righteously vindicated and get to put on a really douchey look on our face while we say "We told you so."

Ahhh, god, the smug. Can you imagine the look on my face? I'm not sure I'm properly conveying just how damn douchey it is. Also there won't be a stealth nerf because CCP has already stated that ring mining is going to be the solution. So bend over boyfriend, you get to grit your teeth while you wait for them to finish testing it. Hmm Hmm.

free logistical intell for you Goons.

Sell all your technetium at 70K P/U
Once the nerf comes out (we know it will) you can have a bunch of worthless Technetium or you can have a bunch of ISK to buy the now worthless Technetium. Aside from reactor units, fullerides aren't in demand. There is too much technetium in EVE now. It will only get worse with ring mining.

We know it will too. In fact, we were arguing against the tech bottleneck since before it went live. We even said that if the tech bottleneck happened it wouldn't take much for a large alliance to do the very thing we are now doing.

tl;dr We know better than you, so eat it.

Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.

Seems reasonable.

Free logistical intell for you Pubbies.

Pay very close attention to the next thing we say should be nerfed.
Because if we say it should be fixed
And it isn't, we're going to exploit the living **** out of it. Because even though we're bad at EVE, we're still better at it then you.

Free logistical intell for you Pubbies.

Pay very close attention to the next thing we say should be nerfed.
Because if we say it should be fixed
And it isn't, we're going to exploit the living **** out of it. Because even though we're bad at EVE, we're still better at it then you.

Player driven content, if something doesn't please you just do something about it. By the way what would you do with tech moons?

Diamond prices are kept up... they are not worth anything next to what is paied for them...

GJ though because goons are doing the samething and trying to inflate the price to make more mone just like diamonds...

kinda like ppl with a full tank brigade and supporting army looking at a civillian with a 9mm and saying "bring it"

Brave.

Well, you don't have to start with Goons, you could always hit PL or Evoke first and work youahahahaha I'm sorry, you're right. You're ****** :)

Maybe you should vote for the goonfleet CSM next time, and not get him thrown off this time.

It is far too easy to go from one empire faction to another, even ones hostile to one another! Why, they even have police protection throughout their space.

Clearly, gate tolls and cargo tariffs need to be put in place by the NPC empires to force localized trading and keep jobs at home.

Free logistical intell for you Pubbies.

Pay very close attention to the next thing we say should be nerfed.
Because if we say it should be fixed
And it isn't, we're going to exploit the living **** out of it. Because even though we're bad at EVE, we're still better at it then you.

free logistical intell for you Goons.

Sell all your technetium at 70K P/U
Once the nerf comes out (we know it will) you can have a bunch of worthless Technetium or you can have a bunch of ISK to buy the now worthless Technetium. Aside from reactor units, fullerides aren't in demand. There is too much technetium in EVE now. It will only get worse with ring mining.

So now all moons are officially in the hands of the cartel that is pretty much now untouchable.

CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.

Had every single EVE Player Who Ever Lived in the Whole Universe voted for him........he STILL would have been thrown off.

Idiot.

Why dont we just ask CCP to RESET all of Eve? Everyone back to noob status in an NPC corp and we start all over from scratch.

...just a thought!!

Had every single EVE Player Who Ever Lived in the Whole Universe voted for him........he STILL would have been thrown off.

Idiot.

Why dont we just ask CCP to RESET all of Eve? Everyone back to noob status in an NPC corp and we start all over from scratch.

...just a thought!!

free logistical intell for you Goons.

Sell all your technetium at 70K P/U
Once the nerf comes out (we know it will) you can have a bunch of worthless Technetium or you can have a bunch of ISK to buy the now worthless Technetium. Aside from reactor units, fullerides aren't in demand. There is too much technetium in EVE now. It will only get worse with ring mining.

I can actually get behind this! ...(and not in THAT way).

Why dont we just ask CCP to RESET all of Eve? Everyone back to noob status in an NPC corp and we start all over from scratch.

...just a thought!!

That would suit goons more than everyone else. Rifter swarm would be way way more dangerous.

The chaos would be hilarious to watch.

You do realise that Goons would just win again, only quicker this time?

Actually that sounds good, the teary-eyed blubbering of slack jawed pubbies trying to rationalize how the dumb Goonies in Rifters managed to shaft them twice over would be utterly, utterly glorious.

You would whine about it when 500 goon rifters were orbit the station you were docked in 23/7

Titans would be rare... for a little while.

No, technetium could be as valuable but was redistributed accros universe not just in few regions

The speed and safety doesn't come close to null-bridges, cyno-alt netowrks networks and titan-relays as they are used by the large alliances in null.

Yes, because you can snap your fingers and instantly have a full jump bridge network for free, that's maintained and fuelled by the magical pixies that do all of the logistical work keeping the alliance running.

If you nerfed super caps just because a group of people took the initiative then this would no longer be a sandbox....

I couldn't help myself

Man, you're right! We're totally being hypocritical, calling for a tech nerf and then defending supercaps! I mean, just look at us...

Like how you Immed the Gms when ppl started shooting YOU at Burn Jita? Yeah just like that.

You mean "when people exploited bugs"?

Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.

Seems reasonable.

kinda like ppl with a full tank brigade and supporting army looking at a civillian with a 9mm and saying "bring it"

Brave.

It Ain't sploitin' if it's goonies they shootin'

Luckily people like that aren't in charge of the cartel, imagine the stupidity that would occur as five alliances 0.01isk themselves to death.

If you want a tech moon, I know of a relatively unknown one held in lowsec by a 10-man no-one corp. Pay me 2 bil and the system/planet/moon location is yours.

Why dont we just ask CCP to RESET all of Eve? Everyone back to noob status in an NPC corp and we start all over from scratch.

...just a thought!!

Diamond prices are kept up... they are not worth anything next to what is paied for them...

GJ though because goons are doing the samething and trying to inflate the price to make more mone just like diamonds...

Well, if the goons have really won EVE, that's what we're supposed to do, isn't it? When somebody wins a game, you pack it up, set up a new game, and start going again.

Of course, BOB had won EVE a few years ago, hadn't they?

Smuggling technetium from CFC, Jita average price per unit.

Can meet in Jita 4-4.

Please evemail amount required and send 2 bil in advance per jump freighter (will be deducted from total purchase, just need it to cover risks).

It may take some time to deliver, please be patient.

Well, if the goons have really won EVE, that's what we're supposed to do, isn't it? When somebody wins a game, you pack it up, set up a new game, and start going again.

Of course, BOB had won EVE a few years ago, hadn't they?

Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.

Seems reasonable.

You mean "when people exploited bugs"?

We have the Tech. OTEC fixes the price. We use the isk we make to fun terrorism. Isn't Eve fun!

That's what happened in Incursions... at first they were death traps & a few put in the effort to crack them & now CCP removed the fruits of their labour from them.

Will CCP technetium be posting to introduce themselves, or does the OP need to borrow some punctuation?

Neat though, how they get instant fix by the GMs an the rest of us wait days or weeks is more the part Im talking about



You guys should totally run all Goons for each of the chairs next CSM. Itd be funny

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1332510#post1332510

As that guy explains, Moon Goo is passive income, and will be fixed.

Isnt that what CCP Soundwave is trying to do or is it everything except what you guys do?

CCP technetium !!!!!!!!!!! you mean

So now all moons are officially in the hands of the cartel that is pretty much now untouchable.

CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.

If you ever "win" at what you do in EVE I hope you can agree that CCP must nerf the **** out of you.

So now all moons are officially in the hands of the cartel that is pretty much now untouchable.

CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.

Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.

Seems reasonable.

You control most of Null Sec?

No?

Then why do you get so much money?

Somebody place a lot of Tech II BPOs..... I mean Tech Moons..... in your area?

How nice for you.

Funny enough, the Tech Moon rebalance took place while we were still in Delve.

Edit: So I guess technically yes, CCP did put a lot of tech moons in our area. We just didn't know we would end up there a year later.

And this broken mechanic has not been changed in how many years?

Eve subscribers began plummeting and they still refused to change it.

The developers seem quite committed to you having a lot of money from PASSIVE INCOME.

Maybe they should have fixed that instead of wasting time with datacores.

I can't imagine why they didn't.

And this broken mechanic has not been changed in how many years?

Eve subscribers began plummeting and they still refused to change it.

We've known that the Tech bottleneck was going to be a problem, and that it wouldn't take much for a monopoly on Technetium to happen. In fact, that was one of our original arguments against it. CCP didn't listen to our advice and now look where we are at.

And this broken mechanic has not been changed in how many years?

Eve subscribers began plummeting and they still refused to change it.

The developers seem quite committed to you having a lot of money from PASSIVE INCOME.

Maybe they should have fixed that instead of wasting time with datacores.

I can't imagine why they didn't.

It's what happens when the one person who wanted and had the power to change it, gets removed from his chair.

You're blind if you don't see how creating this cartel will make it worth changing.

The developers seem quite committed to you having a lot of money from PASSIVE INCOME.

but to harvest from a moon are they not required to hold the space

but to harvest from a moon are they not required to hold the space

control it and protect it against all who would take it from them?

and not get him thrown off this time. Just a thought.

There was absolutely no reason as why he was removed in the first place.

This is not correct.


This is correct, however.

So ... in essence you are saying it is even easier for capsuleer Tassik to capture a moon all for himself? He doesn't even need to hold the space to use it?

a bunch of publords moaning on the forums and flooding the inboxes of every halfassed gaming media site?

Well, as I recall another bunch of pubbies went on crying no harm done and then the Mitty himself admitted he had gone way too far with it.
He even stepped down himself because of it. yet his fanboi's make his appology look fake by keeping on saying it was nothing.

You are actually doing the opposite of what he wanted to achieve with his appology, but your head seems to be up your butt too far to being able to see that.
Mittens manned up and said he's sorry and took the consequences, it's the 10,058 fanboi's that still keep crying about it.

So grow some pubehairs and man up like Mittens did. Move on and plan something new for people ***** and moan about.

So a group of players looked at a sandbox and saw a way to profit that needed large numbers of people and a lot of planning and execution.

They then realised that as a sandbox they could do anything as long as it was inside the Eula so they did.


If you nerfed tech just because a group of people took the inituative then this would no longer be a sandbox.


Good luck to those Basement dwelliing, mountain dew drinking, cry themselves to sleep everynight idiots and everything they stand for.

They have generated more publicity for this game than anyone else for a long long time

Another fine example why the prices of jump&bridge mechanics are way too low.

So a group of players looked at a sandbox and saw a way to profit that needed large numbers of people and a lot of planning and execution.

They then realised that as a sandbox they could do anything as long as it was inside the Eula so they did.


If you nerfed tech just because a group of people took the inituative then this would no longer be a sandbox.


Good luck to those Basement dwelliing, mountain dew drinking, cry themselves to sleep everynight idiots and everything they stand for.

They have generated more publicity for this game than anyone else for a long long time

That being said, when the Incursion patch first came out it was not uncommon to see entire fleets whiped out while running a Vangard site, as time progressed and people put the time and effort into these events to come up with good fittings for running them to the degree that incursions became safer, then eventually a basic cash cow; the same people arguing to leave Tech alone are the same ones now saying "Hey we worked for this"

Who, exactly, are saying "leave tech alone"?

Who, exactly, are saying "leave tech alone"?

You want tech to be redistributed?

That would mean that the goons would simply take all the new tech moons in the other regions.

Want the amount of tech needed for your T2 production to be reduced?

The goons would find the next big thing and the same would happen to that substance.


Going to ask dad to fix a problem you can't find a way to solve through your own actions is exactly how a child behaves, now the question must be asked, how old are you really?

So you lie and lie and lie.

The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke.

You. And every Goon on this thread.

You want an unfair advantage that even you can't defend.

So you lie and lie and lie.

The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke.

i pity you, really, and hope one day you get the help you need

NAPTRAINS != effort

Beside rules were biased - technetium redistribution.
Why tech inst available across universe and then try again at winning.

Ya know nothing is gonna happen at all

"We won Eve" Ok guys we all better quit now cause goons won eve . And you wonder why everybody laughs at you guys, but please procede making stupid statements, its entertaining

Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.

Seems reasonable.

We know because CCP Soundwave will make sure Tec wont be redistrbuted. He knows Goons would have 0 chance of holding all the Tec at that point

You. And every Goon on this thread.

You want an unfair advantage that even you can't defend.

So you lie and lie and lie.

The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke.

You. And every Goon on this thread.

You want an unfair advantage that even you can't defend.

So you lie and lie and lie.

The idea that Mittani would have removed Tech Moons is a joke.

Considering that you're one of those who constantly moans about Goonswarm and Mittens at every turn you should probably take your own advice.

I do moan about Goonswarm and I do moan about Mittens.
They do give enough ammo to shoot at them, don't you agree?

Goons and Mittens have worked hard to be the most hated and distrusted people in the game and now you moan that people express their dislike.

You really should have your clone checked on malfunctions in the intelligence department.

I have an interesting question, kinda strange but here it goes. Issues like tech come and go, not huge, but brought up.

So why is it once CCP says they have a good fix that will help keep stuff accessible to the smaller but resourceful, and says specifically how they are going to fix an imbalance do faceless alts start spamming threads saying to fix it?

They already are fixing it, wait for the proper mechanic to come out with the mining revamp

True story.

I do moan about Goonswarm and I do moan about Mittens.
They do give enough ammo to shoot at them, don't you agree?

Goons and Mittens have worked hard to be the most hated and distrusted people in the game and now you moan that people express their dislike.

You really should have your clone checked on malfunctions in the intelligence department.

"you do mean things in a video game with imaginary spaceships, this totally justifies my stalkerish behavior"

CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.

But see, it's one thing to moan about Goons blowing up spaceships. It is totally another for people to go nuts and accuse CCP of favoritism towards GSF (when GSF has been at the forefront of exposing favoritism in the past), to accuse GSF of desiring to literally destroy the game (when we've actually been working hard to help fix the game, through the CSM and various GSF-driven initiatives), and to accuse GSF of being entirely made up of botters and RMTers (which have existed in GSF, just as they do almost everywhere in EVE).

So now all moons are officially in the hands of the cartel that is pretty much now untouchable.

CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.

Also I do remember a directive where it was clearly stated that no Goon shall report another Goon for botting because that isn't a Goons job.

Also I do remember a directive where it was clearly stated that no Goon shall report another Goon for botting because that isn't a Goons job.

okay go around petitioning everybody in your alliance who does something naughty while bragging about it in your forums (do you have forums? probably not) and alliance chat

see how long you last

Half the cost of every T2 ship you lose or kill, is technetium isk that goes to us.

~leans back~

Also I do remember a directive where it was clearly stated that no Goon shall report another Goon for botting because that isn't a Goons job.

Technetium is one of the things CCP put into the null to promote fights.

Technetium is one of the things CCP put into the null to promote fights.

If you nerfed Tech well motivation for fighting would fall greatly. It requires several manhours along with lots of organization of thousands of people to acquire a source of tech.

Technetium is one of the things CCP put into the null to promote fights.

If you nerfed Tech well motivation for fighting would fall greatly. It requires several manhours along with lots of organization of thousands of people to acquire a source of tech.

It also requires several hundred hours of posting from the Napfest North countering logical arguments calling for Tec Redistrabution.

Oh look, its yet another thread about how some people worked to be successful and I am still failing, please CCP help me be more successful by pulling down those who worked to achieve their ends.

But see, it's one thing to moan about Goons blowing up spaceships. It is totally another for people to go nuts and accuse CCP of favoritism towards GSF (when GSF has been at the forefront of exposing favoritism in the past), to accuse GSF of desiring to literally destroy the game (when we've actually been working hard to help fix the game, through the CSM and various GSF-driven initiatives), and to accuse GSF of being entirely made up of botters and RMTers (which have existed in GSF, just as they do almost everywhere in EVE).

Yes, tech should be nerfed. Pretty sure that's been the party line since last year. But until it is (and the nerf is coming), the pubbies will just have to grin and bear it. Maybe you should vote for the goonfleet CSM next time, and not get him thrown off this time. Just a thought.