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TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance	Posted - 2009.07.15 19:39:00 - [31] Why not just leave it there rather than destroy it? Maybe in 10 years they will want it again... Or even sell it to a corporation?
Iasius Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.07.15 19:46:00 - [32] Edited by: Iasius on 15/07/2009 19:46:38 Russia's Soyuz platform is proven and actually more reliable than, what some would say is over enginered, the space shuttle. USA spent $11 million developing the space pen. USSR, Russia used pencils. The EU has its own space technology with the French lead Arianspace launchers. But has not gone into getting astronauts into space. Which looks great for national presteige. But does not give economic dividends. Its an interesting contrast on approaches to space programs. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.07.15 19:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Iasius Edited by: Iasius on 15/07/2009 19:46:38 Russia's Soyuz platform is proven and actually more reliable than, what some would say is over enginered, the space shuttle. USA spent $11 million developing the space pen. USSR, Russia used pencils. The EU has its own space technology with the French lead Arianspace launchers. But has not gone into getting astronauts into space. Which looks great for national presteige. But does not give economic dividends. Its an interesting contrast on approaches to space programs. Well now that more and more private companies are getting involved I think there is more, and better potential then before. Government involvment is obviously currently needed for advancement into space, but political bureaucracies like NASA are becomeing, happily, less relevent then they were before. This only seems to be one more nail in the coffin, which is why I veiw it in a better light then perhaps I otherwise would. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
rValdez5987 Amarr Imperial Guard. Soldiers of Solitude	Posted - 2009.07.15 19:58:00 - [34] Thats it. We are **ed. When mankind starts putting more effort into the pursuits of greed and bailing out **ing worthless business executives then the advancement of science, that is the start of a decline in our society. What a waste of MY MONEY. That's my money that was used to build that station along with money from other US and international citizens, and they just decided to drop it into the ocean. Hopefully Obama puts a wrench in their plan by perhaps taking up some of the private companies on their offers for shuttles.
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:08:00 - [35] Originally by: rValdez5987 Thats it. We are **ed. When mankind starts putting more effort into the pursuits of greed and bailing out *ing worthless business executives then the advancement of science, that is the start of a decline in our society. What a waste of MY MONEY. That's my money that was used to build that station along with money from other US and international citizens, and they just decided to drop it into the ocean. Hopefully Obama puts a wrench in their plan by perhaps taking up some of the private companies on their offers for shuttles. So... let me get this straight, you think this heralds the end of the world. Hmmm, well, I must say, I'm very surprised. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00*
Iasius Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:15:00 - [36] I saw a program on NASA. One part went into how it operates as a government bureaucracy. A bemused ex NASA employee said that it costs $120 in red tape to procure even a spanner. And thats before the cost of spanner. Private space companies is defo the way to go. Brief space trips at $75000 a pop is affordable by many of the super rich. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:22:00 - [37] Screw private industry and shuttles and all that nonsense, just build Orion. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
TRD 2371	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:36:00 - [38] for how long did they have MIR in space?
Femaref Armageddon Day	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:44:00 - [39] Originally by: TRD 2371 for how long did they have MIR in space? About 15 years.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.07.15 20:50:00 - [40] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 15/07/2009 20:52:57 Originally by: Sera Ryskin Screw private industry and shuttles and all that nonsense, just build Orion. Your link doesn't work, you have to directly search it.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.07.15 22:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 15/07/2009 20:52:57 Originally by: Sera Ryskin Screw private industry and shuttles and all that nonsense, just build Orion. Your link doesn't work, you have to directly search it. Fixed. For some reason the forums insist on removing the () from my link. PS: I'm not talking about the lame shuttle replacement NASA is planning now, I demand my giant nuclear spaceship! ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.07.15 22:49:00 - [42] we should have just let AIG die in the corner and gone to mars instead. would have gained so much more for humanity then spending nearly a trillion to help some dishonest corporation.
Cellyna	Posted - 2009.07.16 03:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Iasius USA spent $11 million developing the space pen. USSR, Russia used pencils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Pen http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen Just a few sites that disprove that urban legend.
Taedrin Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate	Posted - 2009.07.16 03:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Ivana Drake isn't even complete yet and they're already talking about scrapping it? Please note that the international space station doesn't sit up in orbit, useless, until it is completed. The ISS has been conducting research since the first day it was launched. It will have been orbiting for 18 years when it is decommissioned. For comparison, Skylab was only in orbit for about 6 years.
xBLACKNOVAx Custard Cream Appreciation Society	Posted - 2009.07.16 03:39:00 - [45] If it turns out that nobody wants it then Richard Branson will probably buy it for **s and giggles his space tourism business. . Navigator Killed my sig**
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2009.07.16 03:52:00 - [46] Originally by: rValdez5987 Hopefully Obama puts a wrench in their plan by perhaps taking up some of the private companies on their offers, for shuttles. "their plan"? who do you think appointed NASA's current administrator? in all likely-hood this is more of a publicity stunt aimed at generating pressure against the Congress against budget cuts. Either way, NASA does not own the ISS, and they're also under contractual obligation to other nations, not to mention the only module that can de-orbit the ISS belongs to the Russians.
Elaron Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.16 03:57:00 - [47] Originally by: Iasius USA spent $11 million developing the space pen. USSR, Russia used pencils. Wrong. And somehow the amount that wasn't spent seems to go up by a multiple of 10 each time the myth is perpetuated.
Janice Jankowski	Posted - 2009.07.16 03:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Jin Nib Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/07/2009 18:27:13 The entire problem is that throwing the ISS into the atmosphere wont help anything against the us debth. When the US pulls back i have little doubt other countries would happily pay the 2.50 dollar that thing uses to keep its orbit stable. (Sure maintenance costs more, but it just isnt a reason to throw it in the atmosphere). The russians have easily enough capacity to transport fuel to it to keep it in stable orbit, the americans are not needed for it. And i want to bet when asked the chinese would also want to participate. (and enough research left). Are you even aware of the current financial state the world is in? If other world bodies were so interested in funding it, they would be funding it. It may very well be a task that another agency may pick up... wait... oh, thats right no one else has space shuttles. Yeah, I thought so. Current By 2016, we will probably have gone through a recovery and start heading towards another dip. Finiancial trends don't last forever
rValdez5987 Amarr Imperial Guard. Soldiers of Solitude	Posted - 2009.07.16 07:02:00 - [49] Originally by: Jin Nib Originally by: rValdez5987 Thats it. We are **ed. When mankind starts putting more effort into the pursuits of greed and bailing out ing worthless business executives then the advancement of science, that is the start of a decline in our society. What a waste of MY MONEY. That's my money that was used to build that station along with money from other US and international citizens, and they just decided to drop it into the ocean. Hopefully Obama puts a wrench in their plan by perhaps taking up some of the private companies on their offers for shuttles. So... let me get this straight, you think this heralds the end of the world. Hmmm, well, I must say, I'm very surprised. LRN 2 SARCASM It merely shows how much of a financial pickle the US is in. Personally it can work out for the rest of the worlds benefit. I'd rather have private companies putting people in space, on the moon, and on mars. Not only that, but i'd love to see it be countries other then the US. The US needs to get its own ** sorted before everyone who has a stake in its debt cashes and and bankrupts the country.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.07.16 07:43:00 - [50] Quote: One would imagine that they are even more inefficient then the shuttles. They may get the job done, but saying it is 'fine' seems a bit of a stretch. It is pretty hard to be more ineffecient than a space shuttle. I once read the russian rockets were actually more efficient, but cant find it back so cant check the source. Quote: Indeed, as I said before it might add incentive to get moving in other areas. However, one has to wonder what these contracts for supplying the station consist of, I doubt they are to transport the goods through the atmosphere and are rather the goods themselves. I doubt they are planning to resupply the ISS with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurus_II
Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.07.16 09:46:00 - [51] Edited by: Jin Nib on 16/07/2009 09:51:51 Originally by: rValdez5987 LRN 2 SARCASM I hope you relize that the failure of conveying sarcasm rest with the writer not the audience. The reason I mention this is that I have seen a few threads with this as your response. One might conclude after a while that it ones own failure to properly portray their own intentions rather then the unwashed and hairy masses continual missreading. Of course there is also the fact that if somone repeats somthing such as "the end of Earth is nigh" in every single thread, other people will probably conclude that this is what he thinks. Yeah that's totally crazy. Clearly I'm the one who need to "LRN 2 SARCASM." Originally by: Furb Killer I doubt they are planning to resupply the ISS with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurus_II Neat. But those are clearly giant space missles for station defense against furthur incursions from Xenu . Seriously what good is an orbital space station without weapons? I can't wait for NASA to stop its lumbering clumsy impediment of an existance and let others get on with the work. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Valator Uel Caldari N'Th'Rack Squadron Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.07.16 10:34:00 - [52] Good riddence! Scrap the ISS, Scrap the Shuttle, Build a space elevator, build a proper space port at a fraction of the cost, have afternoon tea on Mars. http://www.save-evetv.com/
LUH 3472	Posted - 2009.07.16 13:29:00 - [53] ISS has been the same time up as MIR i see so it is not the big drama that poeple make it to be but just our cultures normal insanity to build 100 billion metal things shoot them into orbit and then after a short period of time letting them crash into the ocean again while there are children who are starving. yeah right.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:19:00 - [54] 2016 is really a long ways off into the future so currently im not all that worried about the fate of the ISS. I have to admit, for a organization that is litterally full of rocket sientists this was a pretty massive bone head move. Yes lets announce that we plan on litterally burning up a 100 billion dollar international venture over the planet in light of recent economical events here on earth. I would have imagined that ISS would have functioned as a waypoint between earth and the future moon base. I wonder if the moon base project is in doubt now though. On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod!
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:26:00 - [55] Democrats killed space.
Glarion Garnier The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Drunk Driver Democrats killed space. When will you ppl learn. There is only one party. Left Right paradigm is jus a way to fool you. _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.07.16 19:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Jacob Mei I would have imagined that ISS would have functioned as a waypoint between earth and the future moon base. I wonder if the moon base project is in doubt now though. Doesn't work like that. ISS = Research station, and is not in a suitable position for ANY kind of mission base. I'm about to start slamming my head into this table because of how many times I've had to repeat myself. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Linkification, Baby.
BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.07.16 20:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: Jacob Mei I would have imagined that ISS would have functioned as a waypoint between earth and the future moon base. I wonder if the moon base project is in doubt now though. Doesn't work like that. ISS = Research station, and is not in a suitable position for ANY kind of mission base. I'm about to start slamming my head into this table because of how many times I've had to repeat myself. It could be used as one if you retrofitted it and sent it into a stable geosynchronous orbit.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2009.07.16 20:48:00 - [59] 6 years! Looks like ill be doubling up my weekly lottery spend then. Plan was, win the lottery, lump it on the russians to blast me into space, claim eternal immortality in the same vein as lord british. Cooooomon on lucky numbers!!!! ______
Kyguard Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.07.16 22:26:00 - [60] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Originally by: Atomos Darksun Originally by: Jacob Mei I would have imagined that ISS would have functioned as a waypoint between earth and the future moon base. I wonder if the moon base project is in doubt now though. Doesn't work like that. ISS = Research station, and is not in a suitable position for ANY kind of mission base. I'm about to start slamming my head into this table because of how many times I've had to repeat myself. It could be used as one if you retrofitted it and sent it into a stable geosynchronous orbit. It could also be used as a ion cannon if you retrofitted and made NASA angry. -

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