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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
715
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:53:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:MotherMoon wrote:shift click to make new windows, close new item window, you now have the old item UI set up
come on people it's not hard no you actually don't - it takes longer to set up and it's not permanant; the window reconsolidates when you leave station.. and there is no single button to reopen them.. this is time consuming. it might have been ok if the cargo bay was not part of this monster.. but it resets into the system and therte is no easy way to reopen it. The old way was better. The cumbersome nature of walking in station is what most people objected to when that came out.. this is just more of the same. talking about looting fool Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
154
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:18:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:New inventory is fine. Instead of 800 windows, its one window with tabs. OH GOD, THE HORROR.
obviously you haven't tried to move al lot of sorted inventory back and forth. Yes it is a horror.
do this: open your multi window tool. open a container and keep the hanger open at the same time - open another 4 containers and keep all of them opened at the same time. sort by dragging items from your cargo bays, orca hangers, and regular hanger to each individual container.. and you have to do it all in less than a minute or your 10 man op will complain that you are not boosting them for a long period of time.
It took me 30 seconds to open an empty cargo hold a few minutes ago... good luck.
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Grimster
Reikoku
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:23:00 -
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Agreed it sucks, stop breaking stuff that works OK.
kthx.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
154
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Posted - 2012.05.23 23:25:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:MotherMoon wrote:shift click to make new windows, close new item window, you now have the old item UI set up
come on people it's not hard no you actually don't - it takes longer to set up and it's not permanant; the window reconsolidates when you leave station.. and there is no single button to reopen them.. this is time consuming. it might have been ok if the cargo bay was not part of this monster.. but it resets into the system and therte is no easy way to reopen it. The old way was better. The cumbersome nature of walking in station is what most people objected to when that came out.. this is just more of the same. talking about looting fool
really? try that with 3 cans at once. I don't care about looting.. I care about managing item movement. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
160
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:04:00 -
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AkaiDruiD II wrote:***UPDATE*** Lag has been added.... use of missles add lag now and what appears to be smoke? coming out of missles? in the vacuum of space? O_o Who the FUK is coming up with these ideas?!!!!
I don't like the lag either... but in truth solid rocket fuel does leave a trail in space in real life... it's not as easy to see in space but it's there.. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:44:00 -
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Are you on some tight time limit for playing the game? You can't fight from all that clicking? How big inventory do you have, or you are some kind of collectors and have items from 3 years ago? Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |

Gealbhan
Used Shuttle Sales Representative
153
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:09:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:New inventory is fine. Instead of 800 windows, its one window with tabs. OH GOD, THE HORROR.
To read these forums the general feeling seems to be "But Tabs Are Hard!!! QQ" 
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
162
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:19:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:MotherMoon wrote:shift click to make new windows, close new item window, you now have the old item UI set up
come on people it's not hard no you actually don't - it takes longer to set up and it's not permanant; the window reconsolidates when you leave station.. and there is no single button to reopen them.. this is time consuming. it might have been ok if the cargo bay was not part of this monster.. but it resets into the system and therte is no easy way to reopen it. The old way was better. The cumbersome nature of walking in station is what most people objected to when that came out.. this is just more of the same. no, this is just a buggy UI, that should be holding it's position when you dock and such. But it doesn't because it is broken, it is still however a much better item window, if that one issue was fixed.
I took what you had to say to heart.. and hoped for the best after reading CCP dev blog where they claimed to be fixing things - I thought, "maybe I w\ill warm up to it after things get fixed" .. but trying to run a mining op today the headaches were too much to over come.. I am back to wanting a full retraction of this feature. what it does to the orca is unmanageable for a large mining forman. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1583
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:22:00 -
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I've finally run into a rather annoying problem with it. I was moving a large quantity of items into a container last night and it rendered my client useless for SEVERAL MINUTES. This is an activity that previously would have taken seconds. Why? Because it moved the stacks one at a time, each move recalculating total volume and market value for the entire inventory. Probably for the contents of the container as well. This is a hugely annoying delay.
Also, please stop opening my cargohold when I dock and click inventory. That was not the previous functionality.
Also, please re-add direct access to all ship bays/holds in the context menu while in hangar. I want to be able to right-click my orca and jump straight to the SMA or corp hold, not open the cargohold so that I can open another hold.
Also, Let me drag ships from the left-side pane to the SMA.
I *like* the interface, except where it changes or removes previous functionality or creates delays. The fix isn't to revert to the old one, the fix is to debug the new one. QUICKLY. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:33:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Ok I understand you are needing to do something to make it look like you are trying to improve things.. but this is not an improvement.
For people who have to move a lot of items around.. its a nightmare. It's slower... it makes moving things from your cargo to item hanger a mess.. double clicking on the background no longer brings up the cargo bay (something we fought for with the "door/ship spinning" thing) What, you thought it was really only about "ship spinning"?
I need to be able to maintain separate windows for draging and dropping... without them closing back into the microsoft monster system window whenever I leave the station.
so.. new inventory system .. I don't like it. at all. The old way was not that big a problem. This one change will be harder on mining than hulkageddon 5. Well you have two options unsub and send me your stuff deal with it
no you have missed quite a few options... but I'm pretty sure if it ever came down to me "unsubbing" you would be the absolute last person to get any of my stuff. sorry, I'd rather delete it. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Viper Vic
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:36:00 -
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I just want to say that the new Inventory system is a BIG POS! I demand that you put the old system back in place! The new system is not thing but a Big Pain in the A$$, it takes to long to load and it brings crap up that I don't want to see! My Alt is in a Rorqual and I can't do what I used to do! Change it back to the old way now!!!!!!! |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:36:00 -
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Derrick Munroe wrote:Now taking bets on how many people complaining about the new inventory system are doing so because it messes up their bots.
well you would lose that bet.. I have never botted anything. but I do run fairly large size mining ops. and regularly multibox... not afk. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:41:00 -
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Sanguine Belroth wrote:Give it a week guys. You'll get used to it
No, I tried it.. .I thought you might be right at first but after todays attempt at a mining op.. I really don't see me ever warming up to this. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
66
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:42:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Ok I understand you are needing to do something to make it look like you are trying to improve things.. but this is not an improvement.
For people who have to move a lot of items around.. its a nightmare. It's slower... it makes moving things from your cargo to item hanger a mess.. double clicking on the background no longer brings up the cargo bay (something we fought for with the "door/ship spinning" thing) What, you thought it was really only about "ship spinning"?
I need to be able to maintain separate windows for dragging and dropping... without them closing back into the microsoft monster system window whenever I leave the station.
so.. new inventory system .. I don't like it. at all. The old way was not that big a problem. This one change will be harder on mining than hulkageddon 5. 1) it is an improvement 2) u cant turn it off 3) i think they shud add the OPTION to revert back to old inventory not remove it There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:53:00 -
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Scien Inkunen wrote:Are you on some tight time limit for playing the game? You can't fight from all that clicking? How big inventory do you have, or you are some kind of collectors and have items from 3 years ago?
No, no time limit usually, but I am trying to boost and run mining ops as effiectively as I can . I play generally every day - some times long hours.. I do have huge inventories that have to be kept sorted because I support many players.. as well as myself and alts. I also move a lot of freight.
While the search feature would have been welcomed in the "assets" tool, they are not handy for me in the cargo windows.
I have items from 7 years ago; but that's not really relevant to the discussion is it. I have many station containers not all belonging to me that I sort into for other mining or missioning players.
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:57:00 -
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Snow Burst wrote: 1) it is an improvement 2) u cant turn it off 3) i think they shud add the OPTION to revert back to old inventory not remove it
1) I disagree 2) That is too bad 3) If they do add the option I am concerned that the lag on the windows will remain if they do not remove the bulky added code as well. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Gartanus
Gartanus Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:01:00 -
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The new inventory system is a huge load of crap!! Please PLEASE put it back to the way it was. |

Mindseamstress
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:FeralShadow wrote:Shift click to open new window. GǪsolves nothing.
Shift click to waste my time. Now can we have the old inventory back please? |

Perana
Wartime Piratical Industries Black Flag Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:07:00 -
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I feel sorry for the noobs that have to learn how to handle this garbage system on top of the rest of massive amount of information when deciding if to subscribe.
More confused noobs equals less subscriptions!
Wake up CCP |

Asketus
I-F-L Gallente Productions LTD I-F-L Intergalactic Space Holding
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:21:00 -
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I hoped to become a bit used to the new inventory with the shift button... But this will not happen. It ist still complicated to use bullsh...!!! I don't like this tree i have to open in existing windows to access other windows. and this in different ways. They should stop working to correct this and change that on this inventory. it's simply sh.... and they should go back to the old system and think how to improve it in a usefull way. (Filters for example a nice idea. But even this is not working correct. If you select two ore more of the buttons nothing will be shown in the window.....)
And think long and deeep befor the next "improvement" !!!
Asketus ....
PS: just went off the game with my 3 miners with damaged nerves before i throw my coffee cup into the screen .... thats not my intention when i start playing a game... |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
206
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:25:00 -
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B3AST MODE B3AST wrote:just contract your stuff to me and when you re-sub I'll contract it back
He can't contract you his stuff because he can't find it! EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
199
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:30:00 -
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new inventory is great On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |

Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:31:00 -
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Because the stupid in this place is reaching epic proportions....
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Hello Spacefriends
As mentioned previously, we are not at all happy with the state of the unified inventory. To everyone that is currently struggling with it, you have my apologies.
As a remedy, weGÇÖre going to try and provide you with weekly changes to it, until we get it into a state where youGÇÖre happy with it. Our first group of fixes will go out Tuesday, May 29th, and are as follows:
Looting: Cargo containers and wrecks will function the same. Having multiple wrecks or containers open should be easy to loot as you can just click GÇ£loot allGÇ¥ and it will automatically go to the next item on the list instead of your ships cargohold. There is an added performance increase as well. Ship Hangars: Your active ship will be displayed in the ship hangar. It was a bit confusing that it would disappear. All assembled ships will now be displayed, regardless of activity state. Ship Hangars: When you have a ship hangar open but switch ships, the hangars for the old ships will still be listed as GÇ£active shipGÇ¥. That has been corrected. Containers: Containers are sorted alphabetically. That makes a lot of sense. Performance: WeGÇÖve applied fixes that let you handle larger numbers of items more gracefully. It should be a great deal faster now. Performance: Handling large numbers of POS modules was extremely slow. That has been remedied and it should be back to pre-patch performance. Errors: Action failed messages would pop up if you had two cargoholds open and tried to open a third. This has been fixed as well. Corp Hangars: If a corporation has impounded items present in a station, directors will have a GÇ£release itemsGÇ¥ button which will give you access to the impounded assets. ThatGÇÖs it for Tuesday, but we will not stop there. As soon as these improvements are published, we start working on the next round of changes. WeGÇÖll update what those are and when they go out shortly after.
Again, you guys have my deepest apologies for this situation. WeGÇÖll do whatever we can to rectify it. We're going to continue to take your valuable feedback and add it to the list of changes we want to make.
More changes are coming, I'll do another update on Tuesday (May 29th).
Soundwave
And more changes will follow, now can you all untwist your frikken panties. The new UI is here to stay, deal with it. And learn to read Devblogs once in a blue moon. CCP, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY CORP BACK? KINDA WANT MY STUFF BACK FROM THE HANGARS. |

Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
44
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Posted - 2012.05.29 04:56:00 -
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Quote:As a remedy, weGÇÖre going to try and provide you with weekly changes to it, until we get it into a state where youGÇÖre happy with it. Our first group of fixes will go out Tuesday, May 29th, and are as follows:
Weekly fixes are you kidding me, why would you torture us and yourselves like this ? Just revert it to the way it was, problem solved and you can get back to the buisness of internet spaceships. /o\ |

Luis Graca
19
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:09:00 -
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the switch off button of the new inventory is on the other side of "the door" |

Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:42:00 -
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Yogsoloth wrote:Quote:As a remedy, weGÇÖre going to try and provide you with weekly changes to it, until we get it into a state where youGÇÖre happy with it. Our first group of fixes will go out Tuesday, May 29th, and are as follows: Weekly fixes are you kidding me, why would you torture us and yourselves like this ? Just revert it to the way it was, problem solved and you can get back to the buisness of internet spaceships. /o\
Since the level of circle jerk idiocy has almost reached pandemic proportions in this thread, here are some handy tips.
First up, this is a brand new UI, built from the ground up, and not just something that was tacked on to the old system. Think of the old system like Windows 3.1, after a while it just stopped being efficient and a new system was designed to take its place. It happens constantly in the software world, so why in the name of god would you idiots think it should be any different here?
Secondly and probably more importantly, do you think the "old" UI was absolutely spot on perfect on the day EVE first launched? Or do you think that maybe it too went through lots of changes? Since you are all clearly incapable of seeing past the end of your own stupidity and rabid complaining, I'll tell you. It took 9 years or more to get the old UI to the point it was at when it finally became clear that it needed more than just another tweak.
With the new system changes can be added dozens of times faster, allowing for much greater flexibility and greater end user satisfaction. But if you are all such a bunch of over entitled, short sighted ignorant prats that you would quit a game because of an upgrade that is still in its early stages, then go right ahead. Absolutely no-one will miss you. CCP, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY CORP BACK? KINDA WANT MY STUFF BACK FROM THE HANGARS. |

Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
18
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:48:00 -
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Gave the new inventory an honest, extended, open minded shot.
It sucks. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |

Galliard Fokker
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:50:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Yogsoloth wrote:Quote:As a remedy, weGÇÖre going to try and provide you with weekly changes to it, until we get it into a state where youGÇÖre happy with it. Our first group of fixes will go out Tuesday, May 29th, and are as follows: Weekly fixes are you kidding me, why would you torture us and yourselves like this ? Just revert it to the way it was, problem solved and you can get back to the buisness of internet spaceships. /o\ Since the level of circle jerk idiocy has almost reached pandemic proportions in this thread, here are some handy tips. First up, this is a brand new UI, built from the ground up, and not just something that was tacked on to the old system. Think of the old system like Windows 3.1, after a while it just stopped being efficient and a new system was designed to take its place. It happens constantly in the software world, so why in the name of god would you idiots think it should be any different here? Secondly and probably more importantly, do you think the "old" UI was absolutely spot on perfect on the day EVE first launched? Or do you think that maybe it too went through lots of changes? Since you are all clearly incapable of seeing past the end of your own stupidity and rabid complaining, I'll tell you. It took 9 years or more to get the old UI to the point it was at when it finally became clear that it needed more than just another tweak. With the new system changes can be added dozens of times faster, allowing for much greater flexibility and greater end user satisfaction. But if you are all such a bunch of over entitled, short sighted ignorant prats that you would quit a game because of an upgrade that is still in its early stages, then go right ahead. Absolutely no-one will miss you.
Actually, its more like a... downgrade... more ballast, less functionality.
I agree on that it looks "nicer".. but we do not play eve for the looks, do we? ^^
On topic "greater end user satisfaction: I am not satisfied. not the least. This should have been tested a lot more, and even in windows, you can revert to old style windows.... _.:Space Cowboys:._
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Jmo3yGrSg I've got my saddle.-áOn my horse.-áHe's called....T-t-t-t-t-trigger.-áOf course.-á |

Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
19
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:52:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:shift click to make new windows, close new item window, you now have the old item UI set up
come on people it's not hard
and yet greater than 50% of the time i shift click a sansha wreck to loot it... it closes my cargo hold and brings up the can in its place.. not very fun when i have alot of wrecks to clear, already know about shift click, and it doesnt work anyway. |

Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:36:00 -
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Galliard Fokker wrote: Actually, its more like a... downgrade... more ballast, less functionality.
I agree on that it looks "nicer".. but we do not play eve for the looks, do we? ^^
On topic "greater end user satisfaction: I am not satisfied. not the least. This should have been tested a lot more, and even in windows, you can revert to old style windows....
EDIT: I gave it a real try. i did honestly. But Corp Hangar <> Personal Items <> lots of Containers <> Ship hangar <> ship management and stuff transfering is a real mess and much to clumsy.
Try for example to dock on a station and move stuff real quick into your ship cargo and undock again fast.... simply not possible...
The windows have to much trashhold, e.g. the frames around take to much space, they wont stick or remember their place... and so on. this is just a fekkin mess.
You may stick with the new inverntory, but let it coexist to the old one... all problems solved....
Again, people don't read.
Seriously, how is it that people do not understand the most simple of concepts. I keep trying to think of ways to dumb it down but perhaps my IQ is too high to allow me to drop down that far. Let me try one more time.
Here is a very simplistic depiction of old code
842835v3t38rybgo9q38y4tbvq34ptvqb3ctpn8q3yycqp35-qbt-yq8ct89eiertp809ert;oien4jhwp48th34p98th3po4ingfpt3984hfngp9ewn4pfg89vb3etavnep948thp9e84ht;oian;eworiagfn;e498thpae948htvnpae984thp9a8t4hcnaew4htpc89ae4hytpa09wjcpioe
Here is a very simplistic depiction of the new code
aaabbbcccddeeffgghh11223344556677
Do you see the difference? Old code is cluttered, full of bits and pieces that no longer serve any purpose and just get in the way. New code is sleeker and easier to maintain. New code is clunkier than the old code because the old code had 9 years worth of additions, but what is important is the fact that the new code is a nice clean slate to work from.
Any future changes will be much easier to implement, mostly because the coders won't have to sift through 9 years worth of changes to make sure their new piece of code doesn't break anything. And as has been stated in the Devblogs, changes are being made to streamline the new system now that it is active, in exactly the same way as the old one was back in its day.
Screaming like demented chimps for the return of the old UI is like screaming at Microsoft to bring back the day of Windows 3.1 because "it was easy to use" and completely ignoring the fact that it was out dated and utterly incapable of making use of modern hardware.
Hopefully I managed to drop my IQ low enough to clear a few things up for you all.
CCP, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY CORP BACK? KINDA WANT MY STUFF BACK FROM THE HANGARS. |
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