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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.07.17 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/07/2009 18:30:51 Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/07/2009 18:29:53 I found all these salvaging QQ threads so entertain that I created my own ninja salvage alt. I think CCP finds them entertaining also. When they say "Salvaging is working as intended". I think they mean "It's giving everyone a good laugh".
yes, ninja missions is a funny think, did it too sometimes.
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Dristra
Amarr Idle Haven
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Posted - 2009.07.17 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Originally by: Sardia Jax Petition: Make Wrecks not free for all
Denied
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2009.07.17 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Counter-petition: make it possible to probe for wrecks.
Wow - for once I agree with Tippia.
I think I heard a seal breaking someplace.
/signed. It's a good idea.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2009.07.17 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru in maritime law, the rescue of a ship or its cargo on navigable waters from a peril that, except for the rescuerĘs assistance, would have led to the loss or destruction of the property. <snip>
It's actually rather a lot more complex than that quote. For one, all salvage must go through an admiralty court and only for treasure salvage (very very old salvaged vessels) is the salvager likely to receive any more than 50% of the value of the salvaged vessel.
Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law#Salvage_and_treasure_salvage
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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Dave Hourai
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.17 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/07/2009 18:30:51 Edited by: Izztyrr Maemtor on 17/07/2009 18:29:53 I found all these salvaging QQ threads so entertain that I created my own ninja salvage alt. I think CCP finds them entertaining also. When they say "Salvaging is working as intended". I think they mean "It's giving everyone a good laugh".
/signed, doing the same No Beginning, No End |
Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2009.07.17 23:55:00 -
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They do it to annoy you and possibly provoke for PvP.
Or they do it because they are poor newbies that cannot do L4s themselves.
Just tell them to kindly come back later and a try to race against your salvager because if they stay they might get agro from rats.
They are indeed annoying but they have it hard and deserve what little they get.
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Nouva MacGyver
Caldari MacGyver Communications
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Posted - 2009.07.18 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gypeto players that just want to mission or mine in peace to feel secure while in secure space...
Without this being emotionally charged or an attack towards you or your idea, and as cliche as it may sound, the point is that you, I or anyone that undocks, voluntarily chooses to and/or is liable to PvP. High security does not equate to secure and safe.
There are enough mechanics being reiterated again and again in various threads, directly or indirectly to deal with some of these issues and discussions that are perceived as "problems".
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.07.18 08:46:00 -
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As a Ninja, I fully support making salvaging of wrecks an agro-generating offense.
I love the smell of gankships versus PVE ships. Any morning.
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.07.18 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker New petition: Make mission deadspace behave like a small pocket of 0.0. No wreck ownership, and everybody is free to shoot anybody.
YES please do this, you have all my support!! :-D
Finally, no more long trips lasting over hours trough lowsec searching for gank victims, just go to motsu, throw your probes and have fun 8-)
That would be so f--king awesome. /signed
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Doctero
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Posted - 2009.07.18 09:42:00 -
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Salvage is and always will be a free for all fiesta. Deal with it.
I.E., if you want to spend time salvaging, stop being so picky about who blew the ship up in the first place, scan down your own "salvaging missions." Scanning isn't hard, you just have the insider's edge on missions you ran yourself.
If you want to run missions, do that instead and stop *****ing.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2009.07.18 11:59:00 -
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I fly a marauder and when people come into my mission to salvage, all the better there's more than enough to go around and it makes me less likely to spend long amounts of time salvaging it myself.
Petition: Places notices to inform people that interweb pertitions are stupid.
/signed --- Koyama Ise, Applying logic in areas where it is logical to do so. |
Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2009.07.18 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Izztyrr Maemtor
I found all these salvaging QQ threads so entertain that I created my own ninja salvage alt. I think CCP finds them entertaining also. When they say "Salvaging is working as intended". I think they mean "It's giving everyone who leech off other peoples work a good laugh".
Fixed that for ya. Clearly some people are not having a laugh -> those who took the time to blow up those ships.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.07.18 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 18/07/2009 13:21:01
Originally by: Ariane VoxDei who leech off other peoples work
so the towing service after your car accident is leeching your work?? You should get the wreck, you created it, shouldn't you?
Whats per definition not yours cant be "stolen", mmmkay??
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MacMasters
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Posted - 2009.07.18 14:58:00 -
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locate everyone that complains, probe system, ninjasalvage. i love this game
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.18 16:36:00 -
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Makes me laugh when people cry about this.
High Sec crybabies...Grow a pair then go run your missions in low-sec if you're so bothered.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 18/07/2009 18:03:36 I am not going to read through several pages of flames ... I vote for the removal of ownership on everything one is not sitting in. May a few things come with a lock and a security system, but beyond that shall it be "finders, keepers".
I understand that people can steal from ones wrecks and that the rightful owners feel sad about the loss. Those who take/steal from wrecks that do not belong to them will however never bother with what you believe is yours and how you feel about losing it. And neither does the game engine if it only flags people for 15 minutes.
So either flag thieves for life and give people a kill right against them or do not flag at all. The decision really needs to be made by the developers, but nothing is worse than a half-hearted decision, which leave people hanging in the air and in the end is used to harass new players. -- "Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast." - Ace Rimmer |
Sardia Jax
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.19 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Blastrodamus are ninja's taking your LP? your mission rewards? your bounties?
no? then STFU
no, they are not, however giving people free reign to steal from my hard work just is not right. ya ya, i know its eve blah blah....make it flag the person doing it then, least let me take them out, something
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Sardia Jax
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.19 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Doctero Salvage is and always will be a free for all fiesta. Deal with it.
I.E., if you want to spend time salvaging, stop being so picky about who blew the ship up in the first place, scan down your own "salvaging missions." Scanning isn't hard, you just have the insider's edge on missions you ran yourself.
If you want to run missions, do that instead and stop *****ing.
your kinda missing the point, i am doing my own missions. and scanning should be hard imo, make it a level 5 skill to even use the bastard, meh, wasting my breath i see from reading the majority of these posts.
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EdwardNardella
Caldari Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.19 23:19:00 -
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It sounds to me like you are disappointed with the level of income you are receiving from your missions. You have three options.
1. Join a mission running corp that will handle the logistics of in mission salvaging for you.
2. Hire someone to follow you in a destroyer to salvage for you.
3. Buy a second account and dual box.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.07.19 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 19/07/2009 23:57:41
Originally by: Sardia Jax no, they are not, however giving people free reign to steal from my hard work just is not right. ya ya, i know its eve blah blah....make it flag the person doing it then, least let me take them out, something
you're slaughtering, pirating and stealing from NPC too during your missions, hence you're not better so pls STFU
"hard work" hilarious. Salvage is not yours, its NPC, loot is actually not yours too but given you the ownership for some curious reason. One flaw does not justify another flaws, you're whining for.
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Syberbolt8
Gallente Oblivion Industries DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.07.20 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Applebabe Moved to " Features and Ideas Discussion ".
Oh come on, we dont want bad or junk ideas here, we get plenty of those on our own, im just sayin ya know? Support the DEAD HORSE POS's |
Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.07.20 03:06:00 -
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how about we just STFU about it for ONE week Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Insa Rexion
Minmatar Ray of Matar Assembly
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Posted - 2009.07.20 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sardia Jax and scanning should be hard imo, make it a level 5 skill to even use the bastard, meh, wasting my breath i see from reading the majority of these posts.
And there we have it, the subtle admission of a carebear that he wants everything in game to be really really difficult EXCEPT what he wants to do. Sure screw plexers, screw grav site miners, screw hackers, screw archaeologists, screw pvpers and most of all screw salvagers just so long as my one dimensional Eve existence remains EASY and RIDICULOUSLY OVERPAID.
Get bent. well mannered a**h***
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Sargahn
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Posted - 2009.07.26 05:48:00 -
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*Here's the petition I submitted concerning this issue...*
Something needs to be done within the game mechanics in order to give mission runners the ability to protect themselves\their assests when running missions when it comes to ninja salvangeners. I can't believe this exploit has continued as long as it has without the ability for pilots in high sec to protect the fruits of their labors. I can't understand why the developers of a game would permit such a loophole for such disrepectful behavior\game play, it's as though they're promoting it by doing nothing about it. I have no problems with PvP and getting owned because someone is better skilled and equiped than me, but to allow other players to come in and salvage my wrecks without me being able to do anyting about it just doesn't make much sense to me? If other players loot the actual wreck I can engage them, but if they steal my salvage I can't do a damn thing???? This doesn't make any sense to me at all???
Can't the developers include some type of salvage options within the game to allow certain groups to salvage a players personal wrecks? For example, couldn't there be a salvaging option that allows players to choose who can loot their salvage, like: Corporation Only, Alliance Only, Group Only??? Something to effect where if a ninja salvenger came in and started salvenging my loot it would trigger an aggression timer just as if he had looted the actual wreck? This way it would at least allow me to attempt to protect what I have worked hard for? I don't know if this is the solution, but something needs to be done about this issue.
If nothing is in the works to correct this exploit and CCP allows and promotes this type of game play in their product, then I will have to reconcider paying for my two accounts and take my business else where. I have plenty of friends playing Vanguard I can join up with. I'm not the only person this is affecting either, and I have a friend who is currently playing too and he's thinking about quiting because the ninja salvenging is starting to become more and more frequent. Please, just give us the ability to fight them off and defend what we worked for...and shooting our wrecks isn't the solution! I love playing EvE and don't want to leave it, but this issue is one I'll stand up for and fight for because it's unfairly balanced and needs to be addressed\fixed.
Thank you for you time...
*and the GM's response was....*
Hi,
Thank you very much for your suggestion. As we in the GM team have no direct ties to the Development team, I suggest that you post about this idea and any other ideas you might have for optimizing and improving the game in the Features and Ideas Discussion section of our official forums.
The Dev team regularly reads it and takes feedback into consideration while working their hardest to improve the game.
Here is a direct link to the section: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3523
If you have any further issues, please don't hesitate to contact us again.
Best regards, GM Macayle EVE Online Customer Support
The loot I get from salvaging is 60-70% of my income, and allowing other players to come in and basically steal it from me is not something I enjoy and will not pay real $$$ for. I'm not going to pay some bully to tie my hands behind my back and let him punch me in the face while I sit there helpless. I petitioned with my dollars and canceled both of my accounts, and I encourage anyone else who is serious about this issue to do the same. I love EvE and don't want to leave it, but I can't sit there and watch other peeps loot my wrecks while I'm tanking 15 BS'es in a lvl 4 mission. It's flat out just not fair, when you plan on going back and looting those wrecks for yourself. End the socailism CCP...CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNTS IF YOU AGREE because money is the only thing they will listen to! And when you cancel your accout\s let them know why!
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Sargahn
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Posted - 2009.07.26 06:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sargahn on 26/07/2009 06:04:39 Don't let the p*r*i*c*k*s push you around...VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET! It's the only thing that will get their attention.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.26 08:22:00 -
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They are not stealing from you
Learn to do a mission proper imo.
Besides, if the wrecks really should belong to someone, it should the the ones that got killed (i.e. the rats or teh killed player), cetanly not your lazy mission running ass. But even this is wierd.
This is not WOW, where you get pamperd up your ass all the time. In EVE there exist competition for the resources.
Deal with it, or gtfo. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Bloodie Mary
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Posted - 2009.07.26 10:43:00 -
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People were doing missions well before salvaging existed as a profession. There was no complaint that these missions were not giving them a high enough reward, rightly so! Now, with the addition of salvaging as a profession these mission runners seem to believe it is their right to access that salvage, and that they have somehow earnt it?!
Your missions are no different now than they were before this profession was devised. Stop making out that you have somehow earnt these wrecks. They are just a natural by-product of what you were already doing. If someone gets to them before you, you should speed the heck up.
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Nemesis Factor
Caldari RennTech Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:01:00 -
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I believe scavenging is a legitimate business, but that mission wrecks should in fact belong only to the missioner. I think a good solution is having a sort of 'gatekeeper' at the beginning of every level 4 deadspace who holds a key. Then this key would open up the acceleration gate for ten seconds.
And I don't mean a physical key either. Some sort of code (that you don't have to remember) so even if you lose your ship, you can still go back. ~/~ Sultan of Buruni |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.07.27 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 27/07/2009 09:24:22
Originally by: Nemesis Factor but that mission wrecks should in fact belong only to the missioner.
no, they belong to the guy who got killed, whats the current loot implementation for player wrecks.
If I kill you I still does not own your stuff and I would commit robbery taking your stuff, actually an act the fat mission runner asses are complaining here about...
Originally by: Nemesis Factor Then this key would open up the acceleration gate for ten seconds.
No need for a mission runnung boost, they need a nerf rather. Besides that, you want absolutely riskfree mission running and forget there are people which arent interested in missions but liking another activities like PvP and ganking mission runners, your suggested change would take them that opportunities and make YOU immune against PvP. Well, as I wrote above, this boost is the last thing we need in eve.
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Hellen Highwater
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:10:00 -
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The only petition that would make any difference would be if you cancel your account and supply this as the reason you cancelled. |
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