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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1978
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:57:00 -
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Jonuts wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jonuts wrote:Well, if you want to go along with this argument about it being like windows, let me shoot that turkey down for you real quick.
It's like windows, if you removed every shortcut I have, prevented the creation of new shortcuts, removed the desk top, and left me having to go dig through the menu system EVERY TIME I want to get to something. So basically, it's like windows with any and all semblance of user-friendliness removed. And I still want to see the person responsible for implementing this beaten with a lead pipe. All of your "short cuts" are conveniently grouped in the menu that we call the "tree". Work is currently underway to make this easier to access and organize, a "favorites" menu if you prefer. Relax. So again, I have to go digging for what I need instead of clicking the icon on my desktop? This is an improvement...how?
You never had an "icon" to click that brought up all of your inventory windows, you had to go to the right place and find it. That place has now changed.
Yes, there are some organizational and filtering issues to be sorted, and you already know that they are working on it.
So again, the issues you are concerned about are well understood and not being ignored... relax.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Aeryn Tiberius
Imperial Reclamation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:59:00 -
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The inventory is horrible and people should have the option to go back to the old version and the person who made it fired, because they are an idiot. |
I Accidentally YourShip
eHarmony Inc.
Brushie Brushie Brushie
173
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:00:00 -
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Andemnon Kohort wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:AkaiDruiD II wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Change scares old folks I guess. Hey now!  The simple fact is that if we had this new system right off the bat, and CCP tried to change it to the old system, people would be screaming about being forced to open separate windows to do anything. In that case, it would be right to call that an 'Update' and I'd be playing atm...let's see; -less lag because loading of useless isk nfo would be gone -more room on HUD now due to lack of 'tree' -Faster and more efficient looting/mining/POS Y do u think the old system has been used all these yrs? Because that is all we had.  - Lag issues affect some with large inventories and not others. It is unlikely that the ISK value is the source of the lag issues that some are experiencing. You are assuming things you have no real information on, stop pretending that you do. - The "Tree" takes up far less space than a multitude of now useless windows. Moving inventory requires 1/2 inch of dragging as opposed to dragging all the way across your screen. - Looting is just as fast as it always was unless you were in the habit of opening all of your windows ahead of time and clicking loot all in rapid succession (same number of clicks, by the way), and this is already being addressed as the Dev Bog pointed out. How many times do people need to explain these things before it begins to sink in, seriously. you can say over and over that 2 +2 = 5.. but .. it really only =4.. and if that isnt simple enough, it means that no matter how often you repeat a lie, it will never be the truth.
Wow the most idiotic comment in this thread isn't acai berry's. You have a real talent for stupid. Almost everything about the new inventory is great minus looting simply because I was used to open window, tab, enter to loot all faster than I could do with the mouse. It has some lag, so what? They'll fix it if it becomes that much of a nuisance.
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AkaiDruiD II
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
49
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:02:00 -
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Jonuts wrote:
Also, if you want to try something with your horse and 2 samurai swords, I'll just have to grabbed a large stick/metal rod/whatever I can find, and spear your horse. Then laugh after you fly off the horse and break a few bones. Barring that, let me go grab a composite bow and punch a hole through your torso. A single horseman isn't very dangerous if you know how to fight one. Not to mention that in an apocolypse situation, your horse probably died of hunger, or was slaughtered for food in the first place, leaving just two "samurai swords". I wonder how long you'll wander with two swords before someone shoots and loots you...
ROFLMAO!!!
That was good...kudos
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Tark en Chalune
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
4
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:02:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Tark en Chalune wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Im going to add 10 accounts just to spite OP.
Can I have you shite? Adding or subtracting 10 PLEXed accounts will do nothing. Feel free to burn ISK for 10 more accounts. Unsubbing will eventually cause PLEX to soar in ISK price and CCP revenue to drop. I add real money accounds when I talk of adding them. Ill add 20 just in case. Im rich like that.
Good for you. I'm sure you'll save EVE from us picky inventory tards.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1978
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:04:00 -
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Andemnon Kohort wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:AkaiDruiD II wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Change scares old folks I guess. Hey now! The simple fact is that if we had this new system right off the bat, and CCP tried to change it to the old system, people would be screaming about being forced to open separate windows to do anything. In that case, it would be right to call that an 'Update' and I'd be playing atm...let's see; -less lag because loading of useless isk nfo would be gone -more room on HUD now due to lack of 'tree' -Faster and more efficient looting/mining/POS Y do u think the old system has been used all these yrs? Because that is all we had. - Lag issues affect some with large inventories and not others. It is unlikely that the ISK value is the source of the lag issues that some are experiencing. You are assuming things you have no real information on, stop pretending that you do. - The "Tree" takes up far less space than a multitude of now useless windows. Moving inventory requires 1/2 inch of dragging as opposed to dragging all the way across your screen. - Looting is just as fast as it always was unless you were in the habit of opening all of your windows ahead of time and clicking loot all in rapid succession (same number of clicks, by the way), and this is already being addressed as the Dev Bog pointed out. How many times do people need to explain these things before it begins to sink in, seriously. you can say over and over that 2 +2 = 5.. but .. it really only =4.. and if that isnt simple enough, it means that no matter how often you repeat a lie, it will never be the truth.
But you see, people are simply trying to explain to you that 2+2 still equals 4, and proving to you why.
The problem is, your pen and paper has been taken away and you've been given a calculator that you refuse to use.
Granted, the calculator has a couple of bugs in it that will take a few days to sort out to make it completely functional and more user friendly.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Tark en Chalune
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
4
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:05:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
The "I'm going to stage a mass unsub frenzy" worked once over some very important issues.
Trying to ride that dead horse over every minor change puts you squarely on the community laughing stock list.
( Shrug ) I only have one vote on this.
How I choose to spend my cash.
If the majority likes an unusable interface, then we are both better off by my unsubscribing.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1979
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:12:00 -
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Tark en Chalune wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
The "I'm going to stage a mass unsub frenzy" worked once over some very important issues.
Trying to ride that dead horse over every minor change puts you squarely on the community laughing stock list.
( Shrug ) I only have one vote on this. How I choose to spend my cash. If the majority likes an unusable interface, then we are both better off by my unsubscribing.
Very true, however the interface is far from "unusable", and the community quickly pointed out where improvements were needed and CCP just as quickly responded.
If you feel that it is an issue worth unsubbing over, obviously that is your call. Just don't be surprised when people roll their eyes and disagree with your assessment.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
AkaiDruiD II
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
49
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:14:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Oh by the way, your little pic is against the forums rules. Have fun with that ban unless you edit it
lol oh no O_o...rly? r u gonna nark on me?...oh no.....oh pls....oh....Gò¡Gê¬Gò«(Gùú_Gùó)Gò¡Gê¬Gò« |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
36
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:21:00 -
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This thread is almost as bad as the majority of my posting
Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
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AkaiDruiD II
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
49
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:26:00 -
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Ayeson wrote:This thread is almost as bad as the majority of my posting
But it has been more fun than dealing wit the new inv in the 'Vanilla Ice Expansion' |
Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service
Barbarian Wine and Cheese Society
26
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:33:00 -
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Haven't decided yet if I'm gonna unsub. IF I do, it will be with 4 accounts, and I'm not giving anything away. I'll just flush it all down the biomass toilet. Not much, maybe about 25 billion in isk, ships and other stuff.
But for now, I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed that CCP will get their act together and fix the inventory system.
Thank you. 
They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital,
you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way!
Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago? |
Aeryn Tiberius
Imperial Reclamation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:33:00 -
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just give me the option to go back to the old one, or dramatically improve the usability, until then I have a few games I have been wanting to play and this is a great excuse to stop playing eve. |
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:38:00 -
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Tark en Chalune wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
The "I'm going to stage a mass unsub frenzy" worked once over some very important issues.
Trying to ride that dead horse over every minor change puts you squarely on the community laughing stock list.
( Shrug ) I only have one vote on this. How I choose to spend my cash. If the majority likes an unusable interface, then we are both better off by my unsubscribing.
I'm using the interface, ergo it's not "unusable".
Perhaps there's a little extra drama here? |
Jonuts
The Arrow Project
CORE.
30
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:45:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
But you see, people are simply trying to explain to you that 2+2 still equals 4, and proving to you why.
The problem is, your pen and paper has been taken away and you've been given a calculator that you refuse to use.
Granted, the calculator has a couple of bugs in it that will take a few days to sort out to make it completely functional and more user friendly.
Actually, it's more like the ability to do basic math has been removed, and you have to build a calculator from scratch. Oh, but half the components you can get your hands on are faulty as well, but at some point in the future they will, in theory, work properly. Until then, tough ****. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
86
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:46:00 -
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AkaiDruiD II wrote: in-+tu-+i-+tive/in-êt(y)o-Poitiv/ Adjective: Using or based on what one feels to be true even without conscious reasoning; instinctive. (chiefly of computer software) Easy to use and understand. You'll have to elaborate on how it has made looting/mining/POS easier for YOU
Since you asked nicely I'll indulge you.
Looting and mining I'll cover in one because based on the way I do things it pretty much works the same. I now no longer have to drag what I wish to place in my cargo hold down to the button representing it. I simply open the wreck/my jetcan and oh look, I get a handy tree menu that has my ships cargo hold on it as welll as my wreck/jetcan and I can drag and drop to my hearts content, assuming of course i dont simply click loot all and move on to the next one/empty the jetcan and warp off. It may only save me 2cm of mouse pointer movement whenever I want to do this but hey you never said how much easier it had to make things.
POSes I have less experience with, pretty much just a single tower with a maintenance array and a couple of hangers but to be honest it works the same, i find what i want in the tree menu and drag and drop if i want to move things around. Yes its up to me to make sure im in range of all the things i want to use at once but how is that any different from the old system?
Now I accept that if you have large tower setups as some people have said they have that this system does throw up some annoyances but to me it looks like these issues are being addressed as and when theres enough useful feedback to justify making a change.
Also +1 to pretty much everything Ranger 1 has said over the last couple of pages. |
Captain' Jack Sparrow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:05:00 -
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3 accounts. Not unsubbing... YET!
I'm going to hope and pray someone pulls their heads out of their a$$es REAL SOON.
This is BS. REALLY... |
AkaiDruiD II
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
49
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:11:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:
Since you asked nicely I'll indulge you.
Looting and mining I'll cover in one because based on the way I do things it pretty much works the same. I now no longer have to drag what I wish to place in my cargo hold down to the button representing it. I simply open the wreck/my jetcan and oh look, I get a handy tree menu that has my ships cargo hold on it as welll as my wreck/jetcan and I can drag and drop to my hearts content, assuming of course i dont simply click loot all and move on to the next one/empty the jetcan and warp off. It may only save me 2cm of mouse pointer movement whenever I want to do this but hey you never said how much easier it had to make things.
POSes I have less experience with, pretty much just a single tower with a maintenance array and a couple of hangers but to be honest it works the same, i find what i want in the tree menu and drag and drop if i want to move things around. Yes its up to me to make sure im in range of all the things i want to use at once but how is that any different from the old system?
Now I accept that if you have large tower setups as some people have said they have that this system does throw up some annoyances but to me it looks like these issues are being addressed as and when theres enough useful feedback to justify making a change.
Also +1 to pretty much everything Ranger 1 has said over the last couple of pages.
Thank You for your effort in an intelligent answer +1
Unfortunately the previous system worked very well for a variety of situations. It's wasn't broke, and because of this very bad decision to break it in this expansion, whatever improvements that were made are overshadowed by the ONE system that was used by everyone, in a variety of ways, getting messed with. |
AkaiDruiD II
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
49
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:15:00 -
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And to make things worse...it was discussed while in the testing phase. Why should we bother to help test things if ccp doesn't want to listen to our opinions? |
Drakarin
Omnitech Corporation
Wonder Kids
8
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:19:00 -
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Also, just a simple improvement I think could be added, for the estimated ISK of an item, and total isk of an inventory, use the lowest buy order price of the item in that region. That's a better estimate than averages.
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
284
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:20:00 -
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It's a useless feature TBH. Really it is. I don't need it. Serves no purpose towards my gameplay at all. Never would have thought about it honestly.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
AkaiDruiD II
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
49
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:24:00 -
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Just as someone mentioned before....why do I need to know the estimate of the ammo in my cargohold that will be filling a target full of holes in a few minutes? That feature would be best suited for the Assets, don't you think? |
Emiko P'eng
14
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:25:00 -
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Apart from POS management. Which they they have give a couple of options for fixing! I find it no harder to use than the old one.
So do you all want a glass for your whining or are you all happy enough drinking straight from the bottle! |
Malak Dawnfire
27th Gallentean Fleet
78
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:25:00 -
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A full 28 pages worth of people unsubbing!? DAYUM, THERE GOES YOUR PLAYARBASE CCP!!  |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
286
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:27:00 -
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AkaiDruiD II wrote:Just as someone mentioned before....why do I need to know the estimate of the ammo in my cargohold that will be filling a target full of holes in a few minutes? That feature would be best suited for the Assets, don't you think?
I said that on the Sisi Forum. This is apparently what they call cooperative interaction.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
216
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:28:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
Trying to ride that dead horse over every minor change puts you squarely on the community laughing stock list.
"Minor"?
A major change in something that everyone uses can hardly be said to be "minor".
I can appreciate that many will prefer the new system. I myself don't have that much of a problem with it, and what problems I do have look like they'll be solved pretty soon.
But I also have the nous to realize that and how it's going to be a huge problem for some not inconsiderable number of players for whom it's obviously going to be a substantial net loss in utility (as explained in Tippia's blog). (I acknowledge that some of the things mentioned in that blog have been, are being or will be looked at - but not all, and judging from CCP Soundwave responses, seemingly not with any real understanding of the kind of blunder CCP have made.)
I also have the nous to realize that this has been a bad move for CCP, and something of a backslide into the "we know what's good for you" territory that was so roundly rejected by the playerbase last year. CCP has got to stop this habit of wholesale alteration of fundamental things (Hangar view functionality last year, UI this year) without some attempt to smooth over the transition. The obvious thing to have done would have been to have the new coding mimic the old coding's functionality, and introduce the new perks (tree view, filter) as options, so people could learn, and explore and incorporate at their own pace. (Just as the obvious thing to do last year would have been to have the CQ optional for existing players - had they done that, there would have been no furore, people would have thought "meh, but it will probably improve". So much trouble and bad press could have been avoided.)
But oh no, it had to be cheerfully thrust on everyone - in the teeth of vocalized misgivings on test.
Well, a thread like this is the feedback CCP get for such a cack-handed decision.
If your game experience is broken, you unsub. People notifying CCP that they're unsubbing is good for CCP, because then they get some idea of how many players' gaming experiences have been broken by a change (and also some gauge of the depth of feeling involved).
Trying to smooth it over and make it better is no help at all, least of all to CCP - supposing it's CCP's tender sensibilities you are trying to white knight for. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
286
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:29:00 -
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No lie if you are talking about this and my 3 other accounts. 3 from an old Alliance Leader who has given up after 5 years. 5 that I know of from my Main's old home system. All the ones I've read about here.
Yup, its a reality for CCP now that much is assured.
Much worse than Incarna. I know of nobody who unsubbed then, although I 'heard'.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
AkaiDruiD II
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
53
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:30:00 -
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What I needed, and anyone else, who really plays eVe needed was already in place with the inventory prior to the ' Vanilla Ice Expansion'. ccp ignored test feedback and did what they wanted.... |
AkaiDruiD II
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
53
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:31:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:AkaiDruiD II wrote:Just as someone mentioned before....why do I need to know the estimate of the ammo in my cargohold that will be filling a target full of holes in a few minutes? That feature would be best suited for the Assets, don't you think? I said that on the Sisi Forum. This is apparently what they call cooperative interaction.
I guess I was the only one who read it, cause apparently ccp didn't ;) lol |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:32:00 -
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28 pages of the same dudes posting over and over. Daaaaaaaamn. |
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