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Scarlett Witch
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:16:00 -
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Hey,
Short answer or long answer is fine.
Im thinking of getting a Catalyst because Im somewhat poor and I realized that getting a cruiser will drain most of my funds.
Im wondering if this - as a gallente, is a good choice or if its really a waste and I should stick to a frig while I save up? Having problems at the end of the epic arc while still doing it in a Incursus... :( So not sure what the best choice was.
Curious your guy's opinions. I can fit T2 blasters as well...
Thanks!
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:18:00 -
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Dessie's are great at doing lvl 1's and if your good at it, lvl 2 missions.
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Scarlett Witch
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:22:00 -
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 Originally by: SuiJuris
Dessie's are great at doing lvl 1's and if your good at it, lvl 2 missions.
Ok that's cool... I ask because EVEMon seems to have... 99% Salvage boats....
:)
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Valea
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:26:00 -
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Expect your destroyer to have less of a tank than your frigate. But destroyers are great for beginners, and as a 3 year old player, I still use them occasionally, as they put out respectable dps for such a cheap ship, and are entirely disposable.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Heavy Influence
Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:37:00 -
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destroyers can even be fun for pvp as long as you hunt the right targets, especially with a t2 fit.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:41:00 -
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As a new player, I did tons of missions in a Catalyst and found it quite good. I've also done some Level 2 missions in one, and it had some problems, but it still got the job done. My advice is to use 125mm rails rather than blasters.
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Scarlett Witch
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:45:00 -
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Thanks for the great replies - maybe Ill go with one for the time being...
It kind of screams blaster boat... :)
Is the x8 blasters, 1 MWD, 1 Snare + standard armor stuff good for PVP? How about PVE? Whats a common fit?
I think it may make more sense as Im still a noob.. I can afford to loose 5-7 mil rather than 15-20 (which is basically most of my cash atm) :( I'm only at around 1-1.5 mil SP.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Planet Roqa
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:48:00 -
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for pve 8x 125mm rails and whatever else, will eat level 1s.
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Scarlett Witch
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Taua Roqa
for pve 8x 125mm rails and whatever else, will eat level 1s.
Unfortunately I don't have T2 Rails (does that matter)? I only have my T2 Blasters built up since Im Gallente... thought it made sense for the bonus's.
Hows something like this look??
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Light Ion Blaster II
Light Ion Blaster II
Light Ion Blaster II
Light Ion Blaster II
Light Ion Blaster II
Light Ion Blaster II
Light Ion Blaster II
Light Ion Blaster II
Again - is this a decent choice or should I just save up and go for a Vexor, etc? I figure - its better than a Frigate and doesn't cost much money to get into one...
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Scarlett Witch
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Posted - 2009.07.21 05:09:00 -
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I have another question - slightly off topic.
I noticed you can have 5 Drones out at the same time but I don't see any way to increase that after having Drones to V.
So - how do ships like say... a Vexor or Domi use more than 5 Drones at once, even with their high bandwidth.
I realize they can use heavy drones then - but is there a way to get say... 5 meds and 5 lights out at the same time?
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Robert0288
Caldari
g guild
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.07.21 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Robert0288 on 21/07/2009 05:30:50
Vexors and Dommy's can only have 5 drones out at a time. the bandwidth controls what kind of drones they can use wether they are small, medium or heavy drones as they each use a different amount of bandwidth.
For example a myrmidon can field 5 drones but only has 75mb bandwidth. This means it can field 3 heavy drones (@ 25mb each). Or 5 medium drones (10mb each) or a mix of all 3, such as 2 Heavy, 2 medium and 1 light drone.
some drones CAN use more than 5 drones, such as the guardian-vexor which is a faction ship, last I saw it sold for a couple of billion isk. Or by using the Drone Control Unit (module) that can be fitted to carriers and motherships.
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Scarlett Witch
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Posted - 2009.07.21 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Robert0288
Vexors and Dommy's can only have 5 drones out at a time. the bandwidth controls what kind of drones they can use wether they are small, medium or heavy drones as they each use a different amount of bandwidth.
For example a myrmidon can field 5 drones but only has 75mb bandwidth. This means it can field 3 heavy drones (@ 25mb each). Or 5 medium drones (10mb each) or a mix of all 3, such as 2 Heavy, 2 medium and 1 light drone.
Hmm.. I see. Thanks for clearing that up - I thought that was the case.
So - no way to get more than V drones - which means Drones Interfacing is even more important (V basically gives you 10 drones for the cost of V in terms of damage).
Good stuff - Ill have to make some changes accordingly. What's the optional drone setup for a Vexor/Domi (now that I've completely hijacked my own thread) :) 2 heavy/2med/1 light?
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Snow Banshee
Amarr
Ruatha Holding
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Snow Banshee on 21/07/2009 06:08:03
I really dont understand why people suggest destroyers for l1 missions. Any tier 2/3 frigate just eat them so easily that there is no point to use something else. Frigs also can have even more tank than a dessy.
There is also another reason to not train destroyers:
frig skill is needed for cruiser
cruiser skill is needed for BC & BS
the standard training route for a noob willing to do missions is:
frig (l1 missions) -> cruiser ( l2 missions) -> BC ( l3 missions) -> BS (l4 missions)
Destroyers are prerequisites for nothing exept t2 variant of itself so if you really dont want to use them there is not many reason to waste your training time. Cruisers on the other side on the route for the most ships of eve.
p.s) use rails .. not blasters ... 125mm and stay at +10km
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Sobar
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:14:00 -
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For a Domi in PvE (lvl 4 missions) I would suggest: 5 sentries, 5 heavy, 5 small (rat specific)
Vexor - rat specific mediums or lights, since you'll likely be doing lvl 2 missions in it...
And contrary to some of the advice above I would not be playing up much with destroyers in PvE. Destroyers are a niche platform, you are likely to go there if you plan to fly interdictors etc...
I agree that destroyers are very efficient in lvl 1 but how long you are going to stay doing lvl 1's before you get to lvl 2? And a cruiser is much more appropriate ship for a lvl 2 than a dessie. Yes, lvl 2 are doable in a destroyer and with "good" skills you "may" even do lvl 2's "reasonably" fast but you'd be still better off in a cruiser :)
Catalyst is worth to get as a deducated salvage boat though but you won't "really" need it until you hit lvl 4 missions where salvage is worthwhile...
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Snow Banshee
Amarr
Ruatha Holding
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:46:00 -
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I totally agree with sobar.
Originally by: Sobar
Catalyst is worth to get as a dedicated salvage boat
Thats the reason i have dessy skill to 1 
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Commander Amazing
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sobar
For a Domi in PvE (lvl 4 missions) I would suggest: 5 sentries, 5 heavy, 5 small (rat specific)
Vexor - rat specific mediums or lights, since you'll likely be doing lvl 2 missions in it...
And contrary to some of the advice above I would not be playing up much with destroyers in PvE. Destroyers are a niche platform, you are likely to go there if you plan to fly interdictors etc...
I agree that destroyers are very efficient in lvl 1 but how long you are going to stay doing lvl 1's before you get to lvl 2? And a cruiser is much more appropriate ship for a lvl 2 than a dessie. Yes, lvl 2 are doable in a destroyer and with "good" skills you "may" even do lvl 2's "reasonably" fast but you'd be still better off in a cruiser :)
Catalyst is worth to get as a deducated salvage boat though but you won't "really" need it until you hit lvl 4 missions where salvage is worthwhile...
For me, it took almost 2 months to get to L2.
During which, I couldn't STAND flying Frigates. A Destroyer loaded up with 7 or 8 turrets will be 1 shotting L1 targets. I <3 my Catalyst
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Snow Banshee
Amarr
Ruatha Holding
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Amazing
Originally by: Sobar
For a Domi in PvE (lvl 4 missions) I would suggest: 5 sentries, 5 heavy, 5 small (rat specific)
Vexor - rat specific mediums or lights, since you'll likely be doing lvl 2 missions in it...
And contrary to some of the advice above I would not be playing up much with destroyers in PvE. Destroyers are a niche platform, you are likely to go there if you plan to fly interdictors etc...
I agree that destroyers are very efficient in lvl 1 but how long you are going to stay doing lvl 1's before you get to lvl 2? And a cruiser is much more appropriate ship for a lvl 2 than a dessie. Yes, lvl 2 are doable in a destroyer and with "good" skills you "may" even do lvl 2's "reasonably" fast but you'd be still better off in a cruiser :)
Catalyst is worth to get as a deducated salvage boat though but you won't "really" need it until you hit lvl 4 missions where salvage is worthwhile...
For me, it took almost 2 months to get to L2.
During which, I couldn't STAND flying Frigates. A Destroyer loaded up with 7 or 8 turrets will be 1 shotting L1 targets. I <3 my Catalyst
2 MONTHS ???????
what you did ? 1 mission/week ?? You can with a noob alt do missions and go to l2 in few days.
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Lilith Krell
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:10:00 -
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My minny character is quite happily blitzing level 2's in an arty thrasher atm: I use a T2 buffer tank (med extender and a inv field) but only have best named guns atm but it's still very cool watching it insta-pop npc frigs, just maintain distance, control aggro, warp out if it gets hairy and dessies can be quick and lots of fun in level 2 missions.
It's only a rank 2 skill, training it to 3/4 doesn't take long so it's hardly a huge waste of time - plus when you move up into BC's and BS's you can turn it into a salvage boat...
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Commander Amazing
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Snow Banshee
Originally by: Commander Amazing
Originally by: Sobar
For a Domi in PvE (lvl 4 missions) I would suggest: 5 sentries, 5 heavy, 5 small (rat specific)
Vexor - rat specific mediums or lights, since you'll likely be doing lvl 2 missions in it...
And contrary to some of the advice above I would not be playing up much with destroyers in PvE. Destroyers are a niche platform, you are likely to go there if you plan to fly interdictors etc...
I agree that destroyers are very efficient in lvl 1 but how long you are going to stay doing lvl 1's before you get to lvl 2? And a cruiser is much more appropriate ship for a lvl 2 than a dessie. Yes, lvl 2 are doable in a destroyer and with "good" skills you "may" even do lvl 2's "reasonably" fast but you'd be still better off in a cruiser :)
Catalyst is worth to get as a deducated salvage boat though but you won't "really" need it until you hit lvl 4 missions where salvage is worthwhile...
For me, it took almost 2 months to get to L2.
During which, I couldn't STAND flying Frigates. A Destroyer loaded up with 7 or 8 turrets will be 1 shotting L1 targets. I <3 my Catalyst
2 MONTHS ???????
what you did ? 1 mission/week ?? You can with a noob alt do missions and go to l2 in few days.
Around 5-10 missions per day.
Was getting around .02 standings increase per mission.
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Sobar
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:26:00 -
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Well, it's a matter of personal preference than :)
And possibly depends on the skill set as well.
I could not stand flying frigate as well when I started (T1 frig that is) and found that with low-ish drone skills I kill stuff "much" faster than with low-ish gunnery skills. So I promptly got myself T2 tank and some drone skills, jumped into a Vexor and skipped destroyers whatsoever until much much later...
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Lilith Krell
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Posted - 2009.07.21 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Krell on 21/07/2009 07:43:59
Originally by: Commander Amazing
Around 5-10 missions per day.
Was getting around .02 standings increase per mission.
Tip - train the skills Social and Connections to at least III...hey presto, you have standings to do level 2's after a day or two of missions...
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.07.21 08:28:00 -
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the catalyst will run through level one missions like butter
as many of the same guns in the high,
ab in the mid woth cap rechrger
ar repper and damage control in the low...
you will sleep through level ones...
then go vexxor, skip BC;s and use a domi for level 3 and 4
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.21 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 21/07/2009 08:58:42
Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 21/07/2009 08:57:48
PVE fit for range, which means rails.
To the people saying it takes time from other skills...you only need one or two ranks, which is hardly any time at all. Level one missions don't require Destroyer 3.
I'm making a missioning alt right now, problem is, he can upgrade his mission class faster than his skills. For example, it only took 10 missions to open up level 2, which is only a few hours. But I've still got days of training before I can properly fit a cruiser. Although my tanking and navigation skills are already good since that character was originally a blockade runner.
Hrm, I guess I'll try a turret cruiser, while I work on drones V.
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:01:00 -
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It's very sad that most people only consider destroyers to be salvaging ships and I've come to the conclusion that it's because they attempted to fly a destroyer like a cruiser, lost it and then blamed the ship.
Destroyers are WONDERFUL ships when flown correctly and are capable of taking down frigs, other dessies, cruisers and some T2 frigs very quickly. The majority of my kills have been in a Thrasher and I am about to start using one in WH PvP.
Destroyers are:
- Immensely powerful for their size
- Very fun to fly
- Cheap to buy/easy to build
Destroyers are not:
- An alternative to cruisers for mission running
- For Low SP players (Unfortunately)
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Lenartowicz
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:10:00 -
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need destroyers for dictors and then heavy dictors.
which is nice
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mikael Mechka on 21/07/2009 09:28:19
Originally by: Lenartowicz
need destroyers for dictors and then heavy dictors.
which is nice
You don't need Interdictor skill or destroyer skill to learn Heavy Interdictor skill.
Edit: link to evelopedia's heavy interdictor skill entry.
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
I just reported you for being informative in a troll thread. Please leave.
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Speshtard
Amarr
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Speshtard on 21/07/2009 09:31:27
Originally by: Mikael Mechka
Edited by: Mikael Mechka on 21/07/2009 09:28:19
Originally by: Lenartowicz
need destroyers for dictors and then heavy dictors.
which is nice
You don't need Interdictor skill or destroyer skill to learn Heavy Interdictor skill.
Edit: link to evelopedia's heavy interdictor skill entry.
Pawned.
Also @ the person who unlocked L2 agents after 10 L1 missions, who's your agent?
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:07:00 -
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Like everything else in EVE there is no right or wrong. Some people love dessies some people loath them. I had a lot of fun in my Cat and even got my first BS kill in one while ratting in lowsec. If it suits your fighting/flying style then they can be fun if not you will spend a lot of time in your pod.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
Destroyers are WONDERFUL ships when flown correctly
I think Benco pretty much summed it up. Destroyers look great on paper, but are deceivingly challenging to fly. They have poor tanking ability relative to their size. For level 1s they're more than adequate, but for level 2s and up you'd be better served with a cruiser.
Some others in here get great use out of their destroyers, but I notice most of them are using T2 fits and have skills that can wring the most out of them.
Destroyers are glass cannons. Fantastic anti-frigate punch, poor defence. With experience comes better piloting and judgement in knowing how and when to engage. Come back to them in a while and you'll be able to make them work well. =)
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MatStar
Virus Recordings
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:48:00 -
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Destroyers are great little ships, the thing which lets em down badly is the sig radius, there just too easy to hit and if they have a mwd on its like insta pop time.
Also with the coercer its very hard to make cap stable unfortunatly.
I use a coercer for lvl2 missions purely because it makes it more fun you have to concentrate more on some missions and actually fly your ship and know when to bug out for round 2. Keep the Afterburner on at all times and your transverse velocity high to avoid/negate incoming damage.
The setup i use requires some skills, its only got .65 powergrid spare :)
Highs
Salvager
7 Dual Light Pulse II's with radio or multi's
Mid
1mn afterburner II
Lows
Small Repper II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Plate
EANM II
Cap Power Relay II
It pounds em quick just if theres a few cruisers about i take a kicking, the amount of times ive just got out with 30% structure left makes it more interesting than sitting there in a cruiser yawning.
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