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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Laxyr on 27/07/2009 13:53:34
 Originally by: Jin Labarre
Concord 1: "Look there! That guy punched the girl that gave him ice cream!"
Concord 2: "I see! We have to kill him!"
*BOOM*
Concord 1: "Wait... That girl gave him ice cream, before he punched her, right?"
Concord 2: "And...?"
Concord 1: "That means she was assisting a violent criminal!"
Concord 2: "W00t?! x_X"
Concord 1: "We have to kill her, too!"
Concord 2: "Are you insane?"
Concord 1: "No, seriously. Doesn't that sound perfectly logical to you?"
Concord 2: "I'm going to report you for being a moron. You better not move a muscle. Where the hell did you get that badge?!"
Yep, programming friendly AI is hard... so I guess CCP sticks with the dumb one
I guess to solve thsi progblem it would be easier for CCP to hire all the friendly ppl of eve to play as Concord police officers, lovely circling gates all day long. We wouldnt have much police force then I'm afraid but at least they could destinguish and judge the intentions of a pilot
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Octoven
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G
CCP has never said its a exploit so i guess it isnt
and IMO if your stupid enough to trust a stranger enough to RR them then you get concorded its your own falt and should just live with it
let the tears flow
I do agree with you and in-fact do not see the fuss about it. A warning would suffice and make everyone happy. The mechanic itself is not the bug but rather how it is manipulated to serve a purpose. One has to wander though that how can a person be stupid enough to RR and get concorded when they do not know the intentions of the other pilot or even that this is going on in eve.
A simple warning informing the pilot that this action could result in concord interference is good enough to fend off those who attack the unsuspecting. It will allow them to be informed and should they still do it THEN we can say it is a stupid decision.
Trust itself is not stupid, after all we do trust corp mates when giving them access to hangers. If everyone remains paranoid then perhaps a quick visit to a psychiatric clinic would be more suitable then playing eve. Keep in mind this game is for all kinds of people NOT just the paranoid and distrusting.
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Kane Plekkel
We Are The Walrus
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 27/07/2009 13:33:42
Heh, I never condired this mechnic. Seems kinda on the border of its intended use/exploit.
I would demand the mission runner to fleet me, but that means you need to trust them more ^^.
Then I again I really don't help strangers at all... 
Won't matter, you're only allowed to shoot corp mates, so even if they're in your fleet but not in your corp, you can't shoot em
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.07.27 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: ViRUS Pottage
Don't trust others. Pretty simple if you think about it, right?
Yeah that's just stupid talk there. If no one could trust any one else ever, we wouldn't have a game would we? Get off the stupid anarchy crap. Anarchy only lasts as long as there is a power void. Someone or a group of someones will always step in and impose some kind of order.
There should be a short window in which a person repping can stop repping a ship that has gone criminal, to avoid getting blown up by concord or taking a sec hit.
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.07.27 17:37:00 -
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Not that a repping boat is expecting trouble and fits a tank ;)
My trimarked guardian has a nice tank. And thats exactly my personal issue: Losing such an expensive ship/fitting, because i where stupid enough to help someone in a completly insured t1? (To be honest: Losing it because i used it for the purpose it was made for.)
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Markus Reese
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.28 00:09:00 -
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Hi, know what you mean. Happened to me as I work with new players often, oops... They returned the ship and destroyed modules to me, saying only once. The easy way to remedy this situation would be if global flagging causes automatic disengagement of all local remote buffers and a slight time grace to ensure. Not sure how implimentable it is, but I see no reason why it couldn't be a side project.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2009.07.28 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki
Edited by: Karentaki on 27/07/2009 09:07:20
So you would be ok with concord being nerfed so they don't attack people who remote rep criminals? You do realise that with enough RR you can tank concord right? Good. Well, I fully support nerfing concord. Just remember to let them kill you after a few hours so you aren't breaking the rules.
You do realize that you can't tank CONCORD anymore, right?
Within 1-2 seconds of CONCORD spawning your cap is set to zero. Within 5-10 seconds, maybe a bit later but definitely under 30, your HP is set to zero.
I had a carrier with a dual-rep tank in the 2-3k range blown up by a CONCORD frigate, cruiser, and battleship in under 20 seconds. I sincerely doubt that the "insta-pop module" that CONCORD has on Singularity isn't also used on Tranquility.
The way things stand you could probably have 20 motherships in triage mode remote rep'ing a titan set for tank with nothing but best officer gear and still lose the titan to a single "wing" (frigate, cruiser, and battleship) of CONCORD ships. A few seconds of DPS more pitiful than 6 high-sec station guns followed by an exploding super-capital.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.07.28 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jint Hikaru
I can't think of a work around at the moment that would not be exploited by griefers.
1) Turn of the RR if your target acquires criminal flag between activation an cycle completion
2) Have CONCORD only react to your assistance if you turn the module on while the target has criminal flag
This way people RRing to help tank CONCORD will still get CONCORDokkened, people altruistically RRing passers-by will not get CONCORDokkened, and RR fleets will not get CONCORDokkened just because some idiot forgot that you are fleeted in hisec before smartbombing a bunch of drones for lulz.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Jint Hikaru
I can't think of a work around at the moment that would not be exploited by griefers.
1) Turn of the RR if your target acquires criminal flag between activation an cycle completion
2) Have CONCORD only react to your assistance if you turn the module on while the target has criminal flag
This way people RRing to help tank CONCORD will still get CONCORDokkened, people altruistically RRing passers-by will not get CONCORDokkened, and RR fleets will not get CONCORDokkened just because some idiot forgot that you are fleeted in hisec before smartbombing a bunch of drones for lulz.
These suggestions would both work equally well.
Looking at it dispassionately this isn't really much different from the old lofty trick in which all that was needed to kill someone was just to get them to accept a fleet invite.
This imo is different from regular scams because those involve a failure on the part of the victim to read the screen carefully, so I don't think the "lol Eve is harsh" argument applies here.
CCP fixed the UI contract abuses, they fixed the lofty trick (thus enabling people to fleet up with strangers again). I suspect they will also fix this with one or both of your suggestions Mara.
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