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Cadius Vect
Domination.
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:31:00 -
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What I've been thinking of is a way to bring these ships back in a way that makes sense and still keeps them extremely rare.
My suggestion is that you get awarded one as a token of gratitude for attaining a standing of 10 with one of the 4 factions demonstrating that you've proved yourself a worthy champion of the Caldari State, Gallante Federation, Amarr Empire or Minmatar Tribes.
This would be a one off thing awarded through a special faction mission offered when you achieve the necessary standing of 10.
These ships would still be very sought after 5-10 billion but available to those who work hard and put in the effort to acquire one.
What do you guys think?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/07/2009 01:33:10
so just put 20 ravens to macro missions and you get 20 of those? I think it would be even worth getting banned for using macros to get that amount of ships. Cheap isk = win.
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ThrashPower
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:50:00 -
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I'd rather see a new faction ship than some "old junk". tier3 faction bs for instance.
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Tyrehl
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.23 02:00:00 -
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Yea, buff for the carebears, as they are having .... really hard time in empire space 
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Cadius Vect
Domination.
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.23 02:01:00 -
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 Originally by: ThrashPower
I'd rather see a new faction ship than some "old junk". tier3 faction bs for instance.
How can you call them junk the State raven can crank out sieged Dreadnought dps on paper. I'm not as familiar with the others but I'm sure they are all equally as epic.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.07.23 02:25:00 -
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if this ever happens i can see entity doing eve biggest EMORAGEQUIT!!!
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.07.23 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 23/07/2009 01:33:10
so just put 20 ravens to macro missions and you get 20 of those? I think it would be even worth getting banned for using macros to get that amount of ships. Cheap isk = win.
yeah, because they would just be cranking out the state ravens non stop
(do you have any idea how long it takes to get a 10.0 faction?)
not to mention if your only argument against something is that someone somewhere might take advantage of it, that is only an argument for how the idea is implemented, not a sound argument against the idea itself.
i'd love to see these ships in the game. no reason there should be 4 of them hidden in hangars somewhere, too valuable to see the light of day (ccp themselves stated they never intended the ship to be 80+billion isk rare)
the sad fact is, ccp has gone completely impotent on anything relating to character interaction via storyline/RP. these ships just SCREAM RP reward, but the way this game is currently run, your as likely to see reform regarding these ships as you are a return of Aurora (aka: omg we suck, scrap the whole idea of RP in eve!?!?!)
 no, i dont have any pent up emotions regarding old eve vs new eve. reading RP events during patch day and orbiting titans in luminaire beats the hell out of pilots flocking to destroy the first npc mothership
ps: in before 'but-but-but if you want one just shell out 150 billion!'
pss: entity can suck it and anyone else that feels the advancement and rewards available in game should hinge on preserving the isk value of their personal hangars (but-but its a collectors item!! )
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Comodore John
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Posted - 2009.07.23 03:42:00 -
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this has been posted MANY times before, if you want to see one of them or own one, start gathering 100's of billions of isk and start trying ot get entity to sell you it.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.07.23 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Comodore John
this has been posted MANY times before, if you want to see one of them or own one, start gathering 100's of billions of isk and start trying ot get entity to sell you it.
lol
+1 for original post
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.07.23 03:57:00 -
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2009.07.23 05:36:00 -
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So they can become as common as CNRs? No thanks.
Its good to have a few super duper rare ships/items in game. Allows for stupid threads with idiotic requests like this.
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Kata Dakini
Flatiron Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.23 07:06:00 -
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I think when it comes down to it, nobody can say they don't want more variety of ships in Eve.
This does add variety.
Tie the ship to the account, one per (or something).
There ARE some of us around that have been playing for quite a while with nothing real cool to show for it (though I admit that's pretty much my fault.)
For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2009.07.23 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: De Guantanamo on 23/07/2009 07:09:17
Originally by: Kata Dakini
I think when it comes down to it, nobody can say they don't want more variety of ships in Eve.
This does add variety.
Tie the ship to the account, one per (or something).
There ARE some of us around that have been playing for quite a while with nothing real cool to show for it (though I admit that's pretty much my fault.)
Carrier? Dread? Mothership? Titan?
TECH FUCKING THREE
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mikal Drey on 23/07/2009 07:59:10
hey hey
ive been +10.0 (lost it :/)
and i would love the tribal tempest but . .
NO
No
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No
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the ultra rare BS's were a Prize and should remain so.
i would support something for +10 but certainly not the SPECIAL Battleships
. . . . . .. no taxes would be nice :)
Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:08:00 -
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There should be something for reach 10 standing, which is rewarded only once.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:01:00 -
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Sure give them for reaching 10.0 standing, why not
PS It's impossible to reach 10.0 in EVE's current standings system, just infinitely approach it like 9.99999999  
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Leopold Caine
Amarr
Ordo Nigrorum Susurri
Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
This.
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cadius Vect
My suggestion is that you get awarded one as a token of gratitude for attaining a standing of 10 with one of the 4 factions
Sound like a great idea, especially as it is NOT possible to achieve a perfect 10 standing (standing are shown rounded up -- a standing of 10.0 is in reality something like 9.99998788....)!
On a more serious note, these ships were introduced as unique vessels, just like gold / silver magnates, yachts, guardian vexors, etc. Just because you were not around when they were introduced and / or were not skilled enough to win one in the PVP tournaments doesn't mean you should be able to get one regardless.
Cheers,
Arrs
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Sharp Feather
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:42:00 -
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deglitching nvm this poast |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
yeah, because they would just be cranking out the state ravens non stop
(do you have any idea how long it takes to get a 10.0 faction?)
About half a year (add/lose some). Depends on time you spend doing missions and stuff like data centers etc. Doing COSMOS also nicely boosts your faction.
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not to mention if your only argument against something is that someone somewhere might take advantage of it, that is only an argument for how the idea is implemented, not a sound argument against the idea itself.
My argument is that it can be farmed. And this is MAJOR argument in every discussion. Farmable = bad. If it can be farmed it shouldnt be ever implemented.
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Caerno
Caldari
Caeye Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:47:00 -
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Im not sure the OP's idea on how you get one is the best way, But bringing these ships back into the game should be looked at. |
Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:53:00 -
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I like the idea of rereleasing the old faction ships, not just the battleships but also the magnates and such, but let's be real for a second and considder something a little more involving than working on standing. Here's my suggestion.
First the faction standing requirement should be 9.0. A 10 as said previously is impossible and why force people to farm missions for these ships, if it was just farming, we would see a plethora of Chinese isk sellers with them for sale.
Next let's ask ourselves why your respective faction would give you something so rare and powerful, so they like you ey, Mr Faction Standing 9.0, but ey I like my friends too but wouldn't give them a Ferrari!
What would make a faction want to give you their best if the best ship? How about because you are one of their top guns, your an elite pilot in the employ of your faction in "faction warfare", how do you become an elite? Well I have an idea...
What if for every kill in faction warefare you get a new type of LP, not just the current FW LP that's getting a buff atmo but a new LP that is tied to the respective faction shipyards, a new Corp. E.g. Republic Fleet Shipyards .
Oh and did I mention that you only get that lp if your a true loyal member of your faction milittia, what does that mean? Well it means that you need that 9.0 standing and... Wait for it... You must be in a ship from that faction, yes if your fighting for the minmatar then you must be in a minmatar ship.
Finally to make this deal sweet, all minmatar republic fleet ships, frigate to battleship are at an even more discounted price from the Shipyards. All to encourage you to pilot them in FW. After all this, make the tribal issue a 1million sp ship from the Republic Fleet Shipyard.
How's that sound? |
Polinus
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Polinus on 23/07/2009 14:00:46
Well somethign like needing 10.0 standings AND something like 50 MILLION LP combined.
That would be something doable since Would be easier to build 20 titans than to buy one of those.
NO!
Even better.. make you need a stupdly massively HUGE ammount of LP form FACTION WARFARE!! (soemthign liek what you would ge for killing 500 BS solo :P
THAT would be a major boost for faction warfare.. not the crap new modules. |
Cadius Vect
Domination.
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Cadius Vect on 23/07/2009 14:17:52
Edited by: Cadius Vect on 23/07/2009 14:16:47
Originally by: Nian Banks
we would see a plethora of Chinese isk sellers with them for sale.
Isk/gold farming in fact trading of virtual goods for real currency has been banned in China, Punishible by harsh fines and even prison sentences. Things are likely to get better on that front.
I like your idea though. |
Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.07.23 15:31:00 -
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Hello,
I just would like you to ask one question:
Why should stupid and boring mission grinding be even rewarded more than it is already now? Level 4 mission running is already one of the most profitable profession in game and that while there is no real risk involved. And even worse it destroys the rewards of another profession by producing high value minerals through loot.
No more buffs to mission running! |
Footoo Rama
Gallente
Caldari Illuminati
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:07:00 -
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problem is these ships are to powerfull to be common, they are meant as hanger queens or something to show off, they are so rare that they are never used.
If you could have them it would make ratting and level 4 mission running even more trivial then it is now, offsetting the balance. You cannot make level 4's harder since new players would have issues. |
Qitoof
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama
problem is these ships are to powerfull to be common, they are meant as hanger queens or something to show off, they are so rare that they are never used.
If you could have them it would make ratting and level 4 mission running even more trivial then it is now, offsetting the balance. You cannot make level 4's harder since new players would have issues.
There is a solution so these valuable ships can not do missions. Granted it may be silly, but very doable. Just make each mission have a warp gate, and make it to where the above special ships could not go through the warp gate. They already do this on a small scale, when they do not allow BS sized vessels into certian missions that require Frig size ships. There are ways of limiting missions to certian ships.
Personally I would love to see these ships back in the game. I would love to see ships that only 0.0 pilots can fly; albeit let them fly it in any system. Have 0.0 alliances/corps registered with CCP, and only Pilots within those alliances are able to fly said ships. Don't give anymore treats to NPC hugging pilots.
Would any of the above suggestions be nightmares: by all means yes, and on many different levels. The point I'm trying to make is that CCP has infinite options to bring back old ships. |
Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: ThrashPower
I'd rather see a new faction ship than some "old junk". tier3 faction bs for instance.
Old junk? 
Have you seen the stats of the federation issue megathron? |
Myrkala
Minmatar
Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:26:00 -
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So hmm... something like...
500 Solo battleship kills in FW + Highest Medal + 9 Faction standings + 100 spiced wine + 1000 corpses + 1 tempest fleet issue + 5 bil isk + 2 mil LP = tribal issue tempest
Similar for other factions...
Only awarded once per character through LP store.
Surely that is an achievement to reward?
Also you can add a skill req for the ship, something like:
Jury Rigging 5
Presence 5
Multitasking 5
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:32:00 -
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I believe the originals were given as prizes in tournaments (correct me if I'm wrong, it was before I joined EVE), couldn't they be given out as prizes again? Maybe 2 of each ship per year, to keep them super rare but increase the chances of them appearing for sale?
On a side note, sod the battleships I want a Gold Magnate  |
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