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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.07.23 21:50:00 - [61] Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 21:51:13 Originally by: Zed Idiot clicks on the keylogger. ISK seller gets Idiot's account info. All characters are stripped of assets and liquidated or moved to ISK sellers' accounts. Spammer character is created, and forums spammed until Idiot's account is banned; resulting in more possible accounts being phished. And then, they run out of complete morons that click on suspicious links while having unprotected computers/browsers with every bit of built-in security disabled I mean, out of 11 mil potential idiots and many more constantly coming in, compared to less than 300k potential idiots with far less coming in, EVE actually does have a chance to run out of complete morons, while in WOW, not so easy
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.07.23 21:59:00 - [62] Originally by: voogru It's the wrong approach, but the intention is to protect you, not annoy you. Yes, I know what the idea behind that is, but the means are wrong. In the end only the community is getting hurt. That can't be good in any case, no matter what.
Zed Jackelope	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:00:00 - [63] You haven't actually clicked on any of these links have you? Let me tell you how this works. You are sent to a fake tube8 page, it says "Hey you can't view this totally awesome video because you have to update your flashplayer." It links you to flashplayer****, which is hosted on the same server, which is where the keylogger is. So no amount of security is going to save you from human gullibility and the average male's moronic fascination with free porn.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:02:00 - [64] And shall we discuss the... ahem... rationale behind forcing people to constantly retype their passwords on a potentially keylogged-infected system, in the very same browser session they got infected ? Real *SMOOTH* CCP, real smooth...
Hoshi Eviction.	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:07:00 - [65] Originally by: Akita T To be honest, if people click on those links without an up-to-date antivirus from an unpatched IE or whatever and/or without browser "paranoia settings", it's kind of THEIR fault Yeah but no matter whos fault it is it's still going end up clogging up the petition queue. But I'm with you on this, this has to be the worst feature ever added.
Zed Jackelope	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:07:00 - [66] Originally by: Akita T And shall we discuss the... ahem... rationale behind forcing people to constantly retype their passwords on a potentially keylogged-infected system, in the very same browser session they got infected ? Real *SMOOTH* CCP, real smooth... CCP are the keyloggers
voogru Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Zed Jackelope CCP are the keyloggers CCP doesn't need no stink'n password to login to your internet spaceships account. They probably just type in your username and hit the "log me in biatch" button.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:33:00 - [68] I wouldn't mind this so much if CCP had a halfway civilized forum system. One CAPTCHA every two weeks? No big deal, whether it's effective or not. One every few hours is abominable.
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:39:00 - [69] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Zed Jackelope CCP are the keyloggers CCP doesn't need no stink'n password to login to your internet spaceships account. They probably just type in your username and hit the "log me in biatch" button. can i have one of those

CCP Pann	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:47:00 - [70] Howdy, capsuleers First of all, I want to thank everyone for their incredible patience (some more than others ) while we are working to address this really annoying problem. These attacks are not unique to the EVE community. More and more, we're getting reports from friends in the industry and those who run Web sites that this is happening to them, too. Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure as little as possible. We had sincerely hoped that the temporary implementation of the Captcha system would do that and, obviously, it hasn't -- though it has slowed the attacks down considerably. We have some other ideas in the works now and are pushing as hard as we can to figure out the quickest and most efficient way to get those going. As we move forward, it may be necessary to take the forums offline for a bit. I apologize in advance, and believe me when I say that this would be an absolute last resort. Still, your privacy and the sanctity of your accounts is important to us and if that's what we have to do to protect them, we'll take that step. Fly (and click) safe, Pann


THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:48:00 - [71] while you OP may be valid I have to ask, is there anything you don't whine about on a daily basis? Man I've hung out with happier emo's.
Anubis Assassin Caldari SandStorm.	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:57:00 - [72] Originally by: CCP Pann Howdy, capsuleers First of all, I want to thank everyone for their incredible patience (some more than others ) while we are working to address this really annoying problem. These attacks are not unique to the EVE community. More and more, we're getting reports from friends in the industry and those who run Web sites that this is happening to them, too. Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure as little as possible. We had sincerely hoped that the temporary implementation of the Captcha system would do that and, obviously, it hasn't -- though it has slowed the attacks down considerably. We have some other ideas in the works now and are pushing as hard as we can to figure out the quickest and most efficient way to get those going. As we move forward, it may be necessary to take the forums offline for a bit. I apologize in advance, and believe me when I say that this would be an absolute last resort. Still, your privacy and the sanctity of your accounts is important to us and if that's what we have to do to protect them, we'll take that step. Fly (and click) safe, Pann How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb..
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.23 22:59:00 - [73] OMG taking my forums down O_O what will i do how will i cope will CCP supply councillor to traumatised forum citizens cant breathe my skin is melting
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.23 23:04:00 - [74] Originally by: CCP Pann Howdy, capsuleers First of all, I want to thank everyone for their incredible patience (some more than others ) while we are working to address this really annoying problem. These attacks are not unique to the EVE community. More and more, we're getting reports from friends in the industry and those who run Web sites that this is happening to them, too. Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure as little as possible. We had sincerely hoped that the temporary implementation of the Captcha system would do that and, obviously, it hasn't -- though it has slowed the attacks down considerably. We have some other ideas in the works now and are pushing as hard as we can to figure out the quickest and most efficient way to get those going. As we move forward, it may be necessary to take the forums offline for a bit. I apologize in advance, and believe me when I say that this would be an absolute last resort. Still, your privacy and the sanctity of your accounts is important to us and if that's what we have to do to protect them, we'll take that step. Fly (and click) safe, Pann Please take it down, and install a proper forum board, and modify it. If we didn't have to keep logging in every two minutes and 6 or 7 times to post, we'd all be somewhat happier!
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.07.23 23:11:00 - [75] Somone mentioned about chaning the fourm software but I hate to break it to you but how in the amarrdamantion is that going to stop a spammer?
Seluko	Posted - 2009.07.23 23:13:00 - [76] Edited by: Seluko on 23/07/2009 23:13:57 I can see the initial logic of the catchpa, even if they did use a horrible one. But the increased word filter is just stupid. It is horribly easy to bypass the thing already. executive, anyone? Edit: My fail logic
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.23 23:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Seluko Edited by: Seluko on 23/07/2009 23:13:57 I can see the initial logic of the catchpa, even if they did use a horrible one. But the increased word filter is just stupid. It is horribly easy to bypass the thing already. executive, anyone? Edit: My fail logic i see what you did there i dont get what the command means though
Zed Jackelope	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:01:00 - [78] Originally by: CCP Pann Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure You've been doing this very well for the last couple years.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:06:00 - [79] Originally by: Armoured C i see what you did there i dont get what the command means though They are used for italic text.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:08:00 - [80] Originally by: Anubis Assassin How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb.. First problem that comes to mind is that most of those are copylefted, and thus can't legally be used for something for-profit like the official forums for a game that makes tens of millions a year. Still, I agree with the sentiment.

slip66 Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:10:00 - [81] I have no problem with them going all out to protect things. if they didn't then people would whine that they aren't doing all they could. It's much easier to ramp up full measures for protection then slowly relax them as the threat passes.
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:10:00 - [82] medic isle AC god having no forums was unbearable :(
Verx Interis Amarr SkyNet.	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:11:00 - [83] Edited by: Verx Interis on 24/07/2009 00:13:47 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 21:51:13 Originally by: Zed Idiot clicks on the keylogger. ISK seller gets Idiot's account info. All characters are stripped of assets and liquidated or moved to ISK sellers' accounts. Spammer character is created, and forums spammed until Idiot's account is banned; resulting in more possible accounts being phished. And then, they run out of complete morons that click on suspicious links while having unprotected computers/browsers with every bit of built-in security disabled I mean, out of 11 mil potential idiots and many more constantly coming in, compared to less than 300k potential idiots with far less coming in, EVE actually does have a chance to run out of complete morons, while in WOW, not so easy Generally the idiots who click on the links are the ones with no browser security.. I'm sure just running a good browser with a proper antivirus will stop the keylogger from getting in anyway. But there's always idiots in the world. Edit: Also as someone else said, it send you to a fake video that says "You can't jack off to this because you need this random piece of software" and then you get keyloggered.
Nikolay Tesla Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:12:00 - [84] Originally by: Anubis Assassin How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb.. This made my day... Truly... PHPBB! SMF! IPB!!! A god damn VB!!! Hah! Like you would put a massive target bullseye to your head and go running around stalingrad after you used timemachine to get back in 1943...
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:15:00 - [85] Hrmm, wouldn't the easies way to kill off the spammers be to disable links and images? Sure we won't have any shiney sigs but you can still post the link and the reader can choose to copy/paste it if they want. That way we can still have 99% of the forum functionality.
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:15:00 - [86] Originally by: Verx Interis Edited by: Verx Interis on 24/07/2009 00:13:47 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 21:51:13 Originally by: Zed Idiot clicks on the keylogger. ISK seller gets Idiot's account info. All characters are stripped of assets and liquidated or moved to ISK sellers' accounts. Spammer character is created, and forums spammed until Idiot's account is banned; resulting in more possible accounts being phished. And then, they run out of complete morons that click on suspicious links while having unprotected computers/browsers with every bit of built-in security disabled I mean, out of 11 mil potential idiots and many more constantly coming in, compared to less than 300k potential idiots with far less coming in, EVE actually does have a chance to run out of complete morons, while in WOW, not so easy Generally the idiots who click on the links are the ones with no browser security.. I'm sure just running a good browser with a proper antivirus will stop the keylogger from getting in anyway. But there's always idiots in the world. Edit: Also as someone else said, it send you to a fake video that says "You can't jack off to this because you need this random piece of software" and then you get keyloggered. this is why safty labels need to be removed let them deal with it there way.
Zed Jackelope	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:16:00 - [87] Originally by: Nikolay Tesla Originally by: Anubis Assassin How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb.. This made my day... Truly... PHPBB! SMF! IPB!!! A god damn VB!!! Hah! Like you would put a massive target bullseye to your head and go running around stalingrad after you used timemachine to get back in 1943... Its St Petersburg you commie twink. And yes, any of those options, properly run and maintained, would beat the pants off this forum.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:28:00 - [88] Originally by: CCP Pann Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure as little as possible. We had sincerely hoped that the temporary implementation of the Captcha system would do that and, obviously, it hasn't -- though it has slowed the attacks down considerably. So... are you at least considering a DIFFERENT captcha system ? What about the one I linked in the OP ?
Boknamar Gallente The Knights Trevor The Elders Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:33:00 - [89] Edited by: Boknamar on 24/07/2009 00:33:27 Originally by: Akita T I take it you didn't get many O/0 and I/1 so far... lucky, lucky I just found another surprisingly baffling one: 7 vs. Z... The system really is brilliant though. I've thought for a long time that it's too easy to post on the forum, and I'm glad they're finally taking steps to address that.
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.24 00:44:00 - [90] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 24/07/2009 00:45:45 Originally by: Anubis Assassin How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb.. The problems this board has with bots is NOTHING like the phpbb and vb and other boards have. Seriously, those boards would be as effective at preventing spam as making a dirt angel on top of a fire ant nest would prevent ant bites.



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