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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 18:54:56
Let's summarize how things look from where I'm standing...
...if I'm wrong about anything so far, feel free to point it out.
You added captcha to the forum login. Sounds good enough at first sight, right ? WRONG.
You added a really archaic-looking captcha, one which is quite easily machine-breakable (easily, as in "it has been done", NOT as in "any regular Joe could do it"), while also being easily human-mistypeable (O vs 0, for instance, I got the captcha wrong myself too, it's a 50-50 chance of getting it right).
It's not like one of the better captchas out there is not just hard to beat, but also free to use and also helps digitize books in the process.
Also, who says we're dealing with bots here in the first place ? Considering the fact the posters were actually paid accounts (otherwise they couldn't have posted in the first place), chances are pretty high we're actually dealing with a form of sweatshop-operators instead of bots.
Oh... and by the way there were such posts already SINCE the captchas were in place so... yeah.
Excessive ? Check. Ineffective ? Check.
You hastily added a lot of unnecessary expressions to the word-filter, butchering a whole legitimate words in the process.
The funny thing is, the spam-exploit "attacks" didn't even USE those specific combination letters anywhere in their links (or at least, none in those I saw).
What's next, disabling linking and word-filtering everything else ? Didn't the in-game comm channels already teach you that it's nearly pointless to try to do that ? "They" will find ways around that soon enough.
Oh and by the way, was it so hard to filter ". e x e" instead of "l e x e" or "e x e" or any other such thing ?
How come you didn't filter "jpg" instead ? And what about tinyurl ?
Excessive ? Check. Ineffective ? Check.
Did I miss anything ?
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Elite Contract
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:54:00 -
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Take your fail back to MD |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:54:00 -
[3]
No.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:54:00 -
[4]
You tell those stupid devs!! Go Akita!!  |
Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:54:00 -
[5]
Did CCP kill your business?  |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:55:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 18:56:11
 Originally by: Nikolay Tesla
Did CCP kill your business?
You killed my father, prepare to die (in-game).
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:56:00 -
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I guess they are having to rapidly firefight, so are putting up "standard" breakwaters to try to cope.
In this case it's unlikely to have been a bot, so the poster is just as likely to type the captcha correcly as you or I.
Hopefully CCP will realise this and pull the capcha sooner rather than later, as it's a real PITA.
However, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" seems to apply in this instance.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolay Tesla
Did CCP kill your business?
Now that you mention it, Akita T does look a lot like one of the girls in the picture they've been spamming... |
Kewso
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:58:00 -
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If you don't like captcha so much then install Greasemonkey firefox plugin, then search greasemonkey captcha there is a greasemonkey plugin that will auto input captcha's for you.
it reads the image so saves on clicks and extra typing.
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Amateratsu
Caldari
The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:58:00 -
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Glad someone else spotted the O vs 0 problem....
Took me 6 attempts to log in |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:58:00 -
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I wouldn't have minded the captcha, if they used a half-decent one.
I wouldn't have minded a more draconic word and/or link filter, if it would have been at least marginally effective.
But so far everything looks both excessive and ineffective, which is a PITA combination made in hell.
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:00:00 -
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as you said if it is sweatshop operated then the code thing wont work. we just need to be able to block them out.
maybe involving the police since they are doing illegal stuff on the forums.
Unfornatually none of us know how to deal with this since we dont own something off this size. It all about speculation and guess work on what to do. it obviously not just up to IP blocking since we wouldnt be seeing them again other wise.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:07:00 -
[13]
Oh man, that is really HORRIBLE.
Why, oh why??
Grr, again a post I have to agree with Akita T. Stop that! This is not right! |
rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:11:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 18:54:56
Let's summarize how things look from where I'm standing...
...if I'm wrong about anything so far, feel free to point it out.
You added captcha to the forum login. Sounds good enough at first sight, right ? WRONG.
You added a really archaic-looking captcha, one which is quite easily machine-breakable (easily, as in "it has been done", NOT as in "any regular Joe could do it"), while also being easily human-mistypeable (O vs 0, for instance, I got the captcha wrong myself too, it's a 50-50 chance of getting it right).
It's not like one of the better captchas out there is not just hard to beat, but also free to use and also helps digitize books in the process.
Also, who says we're dealing with bots here in the first place ? Considering the fact the posters were actually paid accounts (otherwise they couldn't have posted in the first place), chances are pretty high we're actually dealing with a form of sweatshop-operators instead of bots.
Oh... and by the way there were such posts already SINCE the captchas were in place so... yeah.
Excessive ? Check. Ineffective ? Check.
You hastily added a lot of unnecessary expressions to the word-filter, butchering a whole legitimate words in the process.
The funny thing is, the spam-exploit "attacks" didn't even USE those specific combination letters anywhere in their links (or at least, none in those I saw).
What's next, disabling linking and word-filtering everything else ? Didn't the in-game comm channels already teach you that it's nearly pointless to try to do that ? "They" will find ways around that soon enough.
Oh and by the way, was it so hard to filter ". e x e" instead of "l e x e" or "e x e" or any other such thing ?
How come you didn't filter "jpg" instead ? And what about tinyurl ?
Excessive ? Check. Ineffective ? Check.
Did I miss anything ?
I love you Akita. You're like my other half.
I was ripping apart OOPE with my troll, and you are ripping apart General with this.
Furthermore I agree with you. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:12:00 -
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Say, when was the last spam wave? Must have been a couple with the CAPTCHA being so ineffective. |
Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:15:00 -
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being negative is counter productive.
The company is responsible to protect the forums and the rate at which these guys are doing this I dont think that CCP are sitting on there thumbs. |
xBLACKNOVAx
Black Nova Investments
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Say, when was the last spam wave?
Around about... now  |
Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:24:00 -
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When I logged into EVE today, I found an EVEmail saying I was a poor bastard and it wasn't worth the effort to get my account details
Anywho, I agree that 0 vs O is annoying, and the system is largely ineffective. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: xBLACKNOVAx
Originally by: Abrazzar
Say, when was the last spam wave?
Around about... now
Yeah, I retract my statement. |
Sanira Luini
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sanira Luini on 23/07/2009 19:30:16
O.o |
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Cassiopeia Draco
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:31:00 -
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they just started running the 'naked satalite images' spam posts.
the Isk sellers must be getting desperate since thier macros got perma-banned.
Took me 3 attempts to login with the CAPCHA, again 0 vs o and the occasional 1 vs I. |
Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:35:00 -
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if they get through the whole make account, pay for account, a captcha to log into the forums really wont stop it.... |
Weight What
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:39:00 -
[23]
Whiney? Check |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:39:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Manu Hermanus
if they get through the whole make account, pay for account, a captcha to log into the forums really wont stop it....
Let's not forget "log into the game to create a character", because without a character created first, you can't post.
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:41:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Manu Hermanus
if they get through the whole make account, pay for account, a captcha to log into the forums really wont stop it....
Let's not forget "log into the game to create a character", because without a character created first, you can't post.
so if that is the case what you suggested is completely useless and a waste of time anyway ?
so not only are you moaning that they tried something the way you would of done it you would of still came to the same conclusion anyway. i see that no better. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Weight What
Whiney? Check
Define "whiney" in a way that makes me look bad and you good when applied to the current situation that can't be applied to everything (bonus points for making it coherent, extra bonus for making it logical).
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Jaina Proudmoar
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:41:00 -
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Audrey Bitoni would agree. |
voogru
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:47:00 -
[28]
I approve. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:49:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 19:53:16
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Manu Hermanus
if they get through the whole make account, pay for account, a captcha to log into the forums really wont stop it....
Let's not forget "log into the game to create a character", because without a character created first, you can't post.
so if that is the case what you suggested is completely useless and a waste of time anyway ?
so not only are you moaning that they tried something the way you would of done it you would of still came to the same conclusion anyway. i see that no better.
First off, they could hunt for the machines used in the creation of said characters and flag all other accounts with the same details.
And no, before you ask, I don't mean IP, I mean the other data CCP silently collects at login time.
Stuff like windows product hash ID and other such things.
Second, they could have simply word-filtered the APPROPRIATE words, in this case, ".jpg" and the SITE NAME used in that audrey whatchamacallit thingy (you know, the ACTUAL stuff they're supposed to try to keep us away from) plus ". e x e" (that's a dot in there as the first of 4 characters) if they want to do "prophylactic filetering" instead of "e x e" and "l e x e" (which both make no sense since they're part of many words in common use across this board, and what's the deal with the second one anwyay?).
They might have also pre-emptively blocked tinyurl, which they apparently didn't.
Third, I would have never used the fail-captcha they used.
The point is, they introduced some measures which proved to be ineffective already.
At this time, they can either roll them all back, or at least strive to make them NOT ANNOYING for regular customers if they insist on keeping them anyway.
Not that they couldn't have done it much better from the very start to begin with.
This being CCP however, I fully expect them to remain in place, exactly as excessive, annoying and ineffective as they are... at least until the public outcries against them becomes loud enough and time proves their ineffectiveness.
And so on and so forth, as I already explained in the OP... right now, I was merely repeating and clarifying, with little extra info in this post that wasn't already in the OP.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:51:00 -
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The simplest solution would be to just disable linking of URL's until they can get this guy blocked.
Sure it would be a "slight" inconvenience for the user base but really it's not that hard to copy a text URL to your browser. Disable URL's and the moron will figure out it's not worth paying for a new sub each day. |
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Manu Hermanus
if they get through the whole make account, pay for account, a captcha to log into the forums really wont stop it....
Let's not forget "log into the game to create a character", because without a character created first, you can't post.
so if that is the case what you suggested is completely useless and a waste of time anyway ?
so not only are you moaning that they tried something the way you would of done it you would of still came to the same conclusion anyway. i see that no better.
First off, they could hunt for the machines used in the creation of said characters and flag all other accounts with the same details.
And no, before you ask, I don't mean IP, I mean the other data CCP silently collects at login time.
Stuff like windows product hash ID and other such things.
Second, they could have simply word-filtered the APPROPRIATE words, in this case, ".jpg" and the SITE NAME used in that audrey whatchamacallit thingy (you know, the ACTUAL stuff they're supposed to try to keep us away from) plus ". e x e" (that's a dot in there as the first of 4 characters) if they want to do "prophylactic filetering" instead of "e x e" and "l e x e" (which both make no sense since they're part of many words in common use across this board, and what's the deal with the second one anwyay?).
They might have also pre-emptively blocked tinyurl, which they apparently didn't.
Third, I would have never used the fail-captcha they used.
And so on and so forth, as I already explained in the OP... right now, I was merely repeating and clarifying, with little extra info in this post that wasn't already in the OP.
doesnt matter what catcha they use it a human logging in ¼_¼ |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:57:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Armoured C
doesnt matter what catcha they use it a human logging in ¼_¼
See edit. Ah heck, I'll just copy-paste it.
"The point is, they introduced some measures which proved to be ineffective already.
At this time, they can either roll them all back, or at least strive to make them NOT ANNOYING for regular customers if they insist on keeping them anyway."
If it's a human logging in, at least use a captcha with LOW human false positives and HIGH machine positives.
This one, 1s and Is, then 0s and Os, maybe some others too, they're screwed up - easily machine readable, lousily human readable.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:59:00 -
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The person that is spamming the board is a human, and as such, can defeat all captcha systems.
This isn't an average forum spammer bot, first they need to make a trial account, obtain a PLEX for it, activate it, and then go spam the forum.
To make something that automatically makes an EVE trial account (which has its own captcha), logs into eve, buys a timecode off the market (isk needs to be sent to it...), activates it... etc etc. They are going to be spending time developing a bot for that when they can pay some dude 30 cents an hour to do it. |
Gone'Postal
Void Engineers
Mass - Effect
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
lousily human readable.
I can read it just fine, otherwise agreed. |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:01:00 -
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I find myself forced to AGREE with Akita T, scary as that is.
I'd rather have an easy to post on forum and deal with the spam that have to work around these annoying coutermeasures, if the Captcha doesn't go (or they stop requiring such a frequent time-out/re-log-in)I don't think I will be using the forums as much as I used to (and just having to click "log in" all the time was starting to get to me...)  |
Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
The person that is spamming the board is a human, and as such, can defeat all captcha systems.
This isn't an average forum spammer bot, first they need to make a trial account, obtain a PLEX for it, activate it, and then go spam the forum.
To make something that automatically makes an EVE trial account (which has its own captcha), logs into eve, buys a timecode off the market (isk needs to be sent to it...), activates it... etc etc. They are going to be spending time developing a bot for that when they can pay some dude 30 cents an hour to do it.
Yup... so all they can do is catch it after wards.... naything they do to prevent it will hurt us other real human posters |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:12:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Akita T
lousily human readable.
I can read it just fine, otherwise agreed.
I take it you didn't get many O/0 and I/1 so far... lucky, lucky 
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:16:00 -
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Block account creation for a week, tell potential customers its due to a "security defect."
If they come back in a week, then try something else. Overkill? Maybe, but still more effective than Captcha. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:16:00 -
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Is this the same issue that I just noticed with there being more then a few imposters listed as starting topics on the main forum index?
Slade
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:20:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Is this the same issue that I just noticed with there being more then a few imposters listed as starting topics on the main forum index?
yup
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:20:00 -
[41]
I wonder when they'll make a character named after me... |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:22:00 -
[42]
Originally by: voogru
I wonder when they'll make a character named after me...
They even copied Zym, lol.
Assault of the Body Snatchers! |
xBLACKNOVAx
Black Nova Investments
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Pater Peccavi
Block account creation for a week, tell potential customers its due to a "security defect."
If they come back in a week, then try something else. Overkill? Maybe, but still more effective than Captcha.
Wait, so turning away new customers and fresh money is better than having a captcha? Whatever you are smoking, I want some.
Not letting people start playing Eve just makes me think of Darkfall |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:28:00 -
[44]
I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually a "get revenge on CCP for banning all my sweatshop employees" ploy meant for CCP to over-react to, damaging itself in the process.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:29:00 -
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You have to at least give them credit for caring enough to *try* something.
Blizzard regularly does nothing. |
Mia McGee
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:32:00 -
[46]
Bloody annoying, remove this **** please. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:33:00 -
[47]
To be honest, if people click on those links without an up-to-date antivirus from an unpatched IE or whatever and/or without browser "paranoia settings", it's kind of THEIR fault 
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:33:00 -
[48]
Edited by: voogru on 23/07/2009 20:34:28
Originally by: Akita T
I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually a "get revenge on CCP for banning all my sweatshop employees" ploy meant for CCP to over-react to, damaging itself in the process.
75% chance it is. All the more reason to chase down every SINGLE one of their accounts and ban them ruthlessly. Because they still need billions of ISK to spam the forum because each one requires a PLEX.
It means they still have accounts and assets.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:38:00 -
[49]
Originally by: voogru
All the more reason to chase down every SINGLE one of their accounts and ban them ruthlessly.
Still no point in having the captchas and filtering what they filtered, no ? 
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:39:00 -
[50]
Edited by: voogru on 23/07/2009 20:38:49
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: voogru
All the more reason to chase down every SINGLE one of their accounts and ban them ruthlessly.
Still no point in having the captchas and filtering what they filtered, no ?
Nope, I knew it wouldn't work and would just annoy players. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:41:00 -
[51]
HOORAY, CCP has finally gotten one filtering term right (*******).
Let's see how long until the spammer adapts
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:43:00 -
[52]
ROFL, already adapted.
That was, what, less than a minute ?
Human hands behind looks more and more likely (not yet certain, but still, quite high probability).
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:50:00 -
[53]
Agreed Akita. New captcha is fail. |
Asestorian
MEK Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:16:00 -
[54]
This is an extremely annoying addition to a forum that requires you to login every time you visit it (unless you are visiting it regularly in a short space of time). Quite frankly, it's ******ed.
I am going to ahead and blame Stavros for this one, even if he had nothing to do with it at all. |
voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:19:00 -
[55]
Great, another incoming round. |
Mystical Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Armoured C
doesnt matter what catcha they use it a human logging in ¼_¼
Is this some kind of Goonswarm joke? |
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:23:00 -
[57]
I was going to post to Agree with Akita. But first I had to log in. And I kept getting captchas with 0/O in them.
Pointless, annoying, ineffective measures help no one. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:34:00 -
[58]
Ah, great, CCP finally discovers that EVE is such a great game also because of their community.
So, yeah, let's hurt the community, make it very annoying for them to participate on the forums, make them lose interest in being an active part of the community. Let's beat them until they sHUT UP and STOP POSTING!
GREAT IDEA CCP!!! |
voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:43:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Edited by: Gnulpie on 23/07/2009 21:41:41
Edit: Hmpf hmpf
Really, that NEEDS to change.
Damn you edited your post before I could reply.
But your wrong, the captcha isn't to deter players from posting in the forums. It's to protect players from the spammers. It's the wrong approach, but the intention is to protect you, not annoy you. |
Zed Jackelope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:45:00 -
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/facepalm x 10
I really wish people would stop saying "But they have to set up an account and pay for it for every spammer!!!"
No, they don't. They are spamming "**** links" that leads to keylogger downloads. If you really think the denizens of Eve are smart enough to not click on it, even with all these fail measures, and every person screaming "KEYLOGGER" in every thread.. you're wrong.
Proof is the fact that A) its continuing B) its been happening on WOW forums for years now.
Please do not delude yourself into thinking that Eve players are smarter than WOW players. On the whole, an intellectual fight between the two general playerbase would be akin to blow up sumo costumes.
Idiot clicks on the keylogger. ISK seller gets Idiot's account info. All characters are stripped of assets and liquidated or moved to ISK sellers' accounts. Spammer character is created, and forums spammed until Idiot's account is banned; resulting in more possible accounts being phished.
No PLEX needed. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:50:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 21:51:13
Originally by: Zed Idiot
clicks on the keylogger. ISK seller gets Idiot's account info. All characters are stripped of assets and liquidated or moved to ISK sellers' accounts. Spammer character is created, and forums spammed until Idiot's account is banned; resulting in more possible accounts being phished.
And then, they run out of complete morons that click on suspicious links while having unprotected computers/browsers with every bit of built-in security disabled
I mean, out of 11 mil potential idiots and many more constantly coming in, compared to less than 300k potential idiots with far less coming in, EVE actually does have a chance to run out of complete morons, while in WOW, not so easy
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.23 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
It's the wrong approach, but the intention is to protect you, not annoy you.
Yes, I know what the idea behind that is, but the means are wrong. In the end only the community is getting hurt. That can't be good in any case, no matter what. |
Zed Jackelope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:00:00 -
[63]
You haven't actually clicked on any of these links have you?
Let me tell you how this works.
You are sent to a fake tube8 page, it says "Hey you can't view this totally awesome video because you have to update your flashplayer." It links you to flashplayer****, which is hosted on the same server, which is where the keylogger is.
So no amount of security is going to save you from human gullibility and the average male's moronic fascination with free porn. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:02:00 -
[64]
And shall we discuss the... ahem... rationale behind forcing people to constantly retype their passwords on a potentially keylogged-infected system, in the very same browser session they got infected ?
Real SMOOTH CCP, real smooth...
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:07:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Akita T
To be honest, if people click on those links without an up-to-date antivirus from an unpatched IE or whatever and/or without browser "paranoia settings", it's kind of THEIR fault
Yeah but no matter whos fault it is it's still going end up clogging up the petition queue.
But I'm with you on this, this has to be the worst feature ever added. |
Zed Jackelope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:07:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Akita T
And shall we discuss the... ahem... rationale behind forcing people to constantly retype their passwords on a potentially keylogged-infected system, in the very same browser session they got infected ?
Real SMOOTH CCP, real smooth...
CCP are the keyloggers |
voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:17:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Zed Jackelope
CCP are the keyloggers
CCP doesn't need no stink'n password to login to your internet spaceships account.
They probably just type in your username and hit the "log me in biatch" button. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:33:00 -
[68]
I wouldn't mind this so much if CCP had a halfway civilized forum system. One CAPTCHA every two weeks? No big deal, whether it's effective or not. One every few hours is abominable. |
Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:39:00 -
[69]
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Zed Jackelope
CCP are the keyloggers
CCP doesn't need no stink'n password to login to your internet spaceships account.
They probably just type in your username and hit the "log me in biatch" button.
can i have one of those |
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CCP Pann
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:47:00 -
[70]
Howdy, capsuleers
First of all, I want to thank everyone for their incredible patience (some more than others ) while we are working to address this really annoying problem.
These attacks are not unique to the EVE community. More and more, we're getting reports from friends in the industry and those who run Web sites that this is happening to them, too.
Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure as little as possible. We had sincerely hoped that the temporary implementation of the Captcha system would do that and, obviously, it hasn't -- though it has slowed the attacks down considerably.
We have some other ideas in the works now and are pushing as hard as we can to figure out the quickest and most efficient way to get those going. As we move forward, it may be necessary to take the forums offline for a bit. I apologize in advance, and believe me when I say that this would be an absolute last resort. Still, your privacy and the sanctity of your accounts is important to us and if that's what we have to do to protect them, we'll take that step.
Fly (and click) safe,
Pann |
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:48:00 -
[71]
while you OP may be valid I have to ask, is there anything you don't whine about on a daily basis? Man I've hung out with happier emo's. |
Anubis Assassin
Caldari
SandStorm.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:57:00 -
[72]
Originally by: CCP Pann
Howdy, capsuleers
First of all, I want to thank everyone for their incredible patience (some more than others ) while we are working to address this really annoying problem.
These attacks are not unique to the EVE community. More and more, we're getting reports from friends in the industry and those who run Web sites that this is happening to them, too.
Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure as little as possible. We had sincerely hoped that the temporary implementation of the Captcha system would do that and, obviously, it hasn't -- though it has slowed the attacks down considerably.
We have some other ideas in the works now and are pushing as hard as we can to figure out the quickest and most efficient way to get those going. As we move forward, it may be necessary to take the forums offline for a bit. I apologize in advance, and believe me when I say that this would be an absolute last resort. Still, your privacy and the sanctity of your accounts is important to us and if that's what we have to do to protect them, we'll take that step.
Fly (and click) safe,
Pann
How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb.. |
Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:59:00 -
[73]
OMG
taking my forums down O_O
what will i do
how will i cope
will CCP supply councillor to traumatised forum citizens
cant breathe
my skin is melting  |
Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd.
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 23:04:00 -
[74]
Originally by: CCP Pann
Howdy, capsuleers
First of all, I want to thank everyone for their incredible patience (some more than others ) while we are working to address this really annoying problem.
These attacks are not unique to the EVE community. More and more, we're getting reports from friends in the industry and those who run Web sites that this is happening to them, too.
Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure as little as possible. We had sincerely hoped that the temporary implementation of the Captcha system would do that and, obviously, it hasn't -- though it has slowed the attacks down considerably.
We have some other ideas in the works now and are pushing as hard as we can to figure out the quickest and most efficient way to get those going. As we move forward, it may be necessary to take the forums offline for a bit. I apologize in advance, and believe me when I say that this would be an absolute last resort. Still, your privacy and the sanctity of your accounts is important to us and if that's what we have to do to protect them, we'll take that step.
Fly (and click) safe,
Pann
Please take it down, and install a proper forum board, and modify it. If we didn't have to keep logging in every two minutes and 6 or 7 times to post, we'd all be somewhat happier! |
Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.07.23 23:11:00 -
[75]
Somone mentioned about chaning the fourm software but I hate to break it to you but how in the amarrdamantion is that going to stop a spammer? |
Seluko
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Posted - 2009.07.23 23:13:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Seluko on 23/07/2009 23:13:57
I can see the initial logic of the catchpa, even if they did use a horrible one. But the increased word filter is just stupid. It is horribly easy to bypass the thing already.
executive, anyone?
Edit: My fail logic |
Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.23 23:15:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Seluko
Edited by: Seluko on 23/07/2009 23:13:57
I can see the initial logic of the catchpa, even if they did use a horrible one. But the increased word filter is just stupid. It is horribly easy to bypass the thing already.
executive, anyone?
Edit: My fail logic
i see what you did there
i dont get what the command means though |
Zed Jackelope
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:01:00 -
[78]
Originally by: CCP Pann
Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure
You've been doing this very well for the last couple years. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:06:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Armoured C
i see what you did there
i dont get what the command means though
They are used for italic text. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:08:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Anubis Assassin
How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb..
First problem that comes to mind is that most of those are copylefted, and thus can't legally be used for something for-profit like the official forums for a game that makes tens of millions a year. Still, I agree with the sentiment. |
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slip66
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:10:00 -
[81]
I have no problem with them going all out to protect things. if they didn't then people would whine that they aren't doing all they could.
It's much easier to ramp up full measures for protection then slowly relax them as the threat passes. |
Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:10:00 -
[82]
medic
isle AC
god having no forums was unbearable :( |
Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:11:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Verx Interis on 24/07/2009 00:13:47
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 21:51:13
Originally by: Zed Idiot
clicks on the keylogger. ISK seller gets Idiot's account info. All characters are stripped of assets and liquidated or moved to ISK sellers' accounts. Spammer character is created, and forums spammed until Idiot's account is banned; resulting in more possible accounts being phished.
And then, they run out of complete morons that click on suspicious links while having unprotected computers/browsers with every bit of built-in security disabled
I mean, out of 11 mil potential idiots and many more constantly coming in, compared to less than 300k potential idiots with far less coming in, EVE actually does have a chance to run out of complete morons, while in WOW, not so easy
Generally the idiots who click on the links are the ones with no browser security.. I'm sure just running a good browser with a proper antivirus will stop the keylogger from getting in anyway.
But there's always idiots in the world.
Edit: Also as someone else said, it send you to a fake video that says "You can't jack off to this because you need this random piece of software" and then you get keyloggered. |
Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:12:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Anubis Assassin
How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb..
This made my day... Truly... PHPBB! SMF! IPB!!! A god damn VB!!! Hah! Like you would put a massive target bullseye to your head and go running around stalingrad after you used timemachine to get back in 1943... |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:15:00 -
[85]
Hrmm, wouldn't the easies way to kill off the spammers be to disable links and images? Sure we won't have any shiney sigs but you can still post the link and the reader can choose to copy/paste it if they want. That way we can still have 99% of the forum functionality.  |
Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:15:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Verx Interis
Edited by: Verx Interis on 24/07/2009 00:13:47
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 23/07/2009 21:51:13
Originally by: Zed Idiot
clicks on the keylogger. ISK seller gets Idiot's account info. All characters are stripped of assets and liquidated or moved to ISK sellers' accounts. Spammer character is created, and forums spammed until Idiot's account is banned; resulting in more possible accounts being phished.
And then, they run out of complete morons that click on suspicious links while having unprotected computers/browsers with every bit of built-in security disabled
I mean, out of 11 mil potential idiots and many more constantly coming in, compared to less than 300k potential idiots with far less coming in, EVE actually does have a chance to run out of complete morons, while in WOW, not so easy
Generally the idiots who click on the links are the ones with no browser security.. I'm sure just running a good browser with a proper antivirus will stop the keylogger from getting in anyway.
But there's always idiots in the world.
Edit: Also as someone else said, it send you to a fake video that says "You can't jack off to this because you need this random piece of software" and then you get keyloggered.
this is why safty labels need to be removed
let them deal with it there way.  |
Zed Jackelope
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:16:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Nikolay Tesla
Originally by: Anubis Assassin
How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb..
This made my day... Truly... PHPBB! SMF! IPB!!! A god damn VB!!! Hah! Like you would put a massive target bullseye to your head and go running around stalingrad after you used timemachine to get back in 1943...
Its St Petersburg you commie twink.
And yes, any of those options, properly run and maintained, would beat the pants off this forum. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:28:00 -
[88]
Originally by: CCP Pann
Please know that we are doing our best to find a quick and failproof solution that will disrupt your posting pleasure as little as possible. We had sincerely hoped that the temporary implementation of the Captcha system would do that and, obviously, it hasn't -- though it has slowed the attacks down considerably.
So... are you at least considering a DIFFERENT captcha system ?
What about the one I linked in the OP ?
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Boknamar
Gallente
The Knights Trevor
The Elders Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:33:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Boknamar on 24/07/2009 00:33:27
Originally by: Akita T
I take it you didn't get many O/0 and I/1 so far... lucky, lucky
I just found another surprisingly baffling one: 7 vs. Z...
The system really is brilliant though. I've thought for a long time that it's too easy to post on the forum, and I'm glad they're finally taking steps to address that. |
Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:44:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 24/07/2009 00:45:45
Originally by: Anubis Assassin
How about fess up to the fact that these forums absolutely suck and give us something better... ie: smf, phpbb, ipb or vb..
The problems this board has with bots is NOTHING like the phpbb and vb and other boards have.
Seriously, those boards would be as effective at preventing spam as making a dirt angel on top of a fire ant nest would prevent ant bites. |
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:45:00 -
[91]
Look on the bright side, it's taking excessive ISK off the market (for now). |
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2009.07.24 00:58:00 -
[92]
Hi Guys and Girls,
I am locking the "Captcha" threads here on General Discussion and redirecting to our official announcement. It is our hope that the Captcha will be removed in the very near future once our various teams tomorrow implement a better solution.
Please keep all comments regarding spam attacks and Captcha to this thread.
Thank you. |
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