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The AEther
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.07.25 08:59:00 -
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It is not that the killboards force players to play it safe and proper. These corporations and individuals that pay excessive attention to kb stats choose to do so out of their own free will. You take the kb away they will come us with other ways to measure their pvp ability - say, by collecting corpses for example
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.25 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: The AEther It is not that the killboards force players to play it safe and proper. These corporations and individuals that pay excessive attention to kb stats choose to do so out of their own free will. You take the kb away they will come us with other ways to measure their pvp ability - say, by collecting corpses for example
Corpse collections rock.
I still say we should be able to stick their heads on our ships. When then you hover over the head, it says "Joe Gotspanked's Severed Head" or something like that.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.25 10:34:00 -
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i like my personal killboard, its so much nicer than the killmail crap in game.
its fun to link it to my wow playing friends and knowing they have no clue whats going on. ♥
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Kiran
Minmatar BETA Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.26 05:49:00 -
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I think those that use Kill boards religiously are lacking some where else in life. Its like the meat heads at the local bar compairing scars or tatoos.
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MukkBarovian
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Posted - 2009.07.26 06:52:00 -
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I'm pretty sure eve does have a kb.
I like to think I'm a 'a-list' pvper to quote that guy who said alot of intelligent things but I didn't bother remembering his name. At very least I'm b-list.
I don't go on about it because anyone who cares can go look at the killboard. So I don't often sit around monkey thumnping my chest. The only time I really say anything is when someone else we fight points at us on the forums and starts flinging poo. Then we link the killboard with a campaign specific to them on the thread. And the thread dies. We generally haave very high percentage ratios against the guys who do this.
The few people who stomp us generally dont say anything about it. The big exception being no trademark, we were at 50% with them last time I looked.
I play EvE for killmails and the thrill of combat. If killmails were removed I would still pvp. But, I would have no idea how good I was compared to anybody I hadn't faced in combat. And I would be alot richer from many ransoms. Although the rare time I do try to ransom people express the desire to spit in my face rather than pay for their safety.
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.07.26 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kiran I think those that use Kill boards religiously are lacking some where else in life. Its like the meat heads at the local bar compairing scars or tatoos.
"They're better than me at video games, or sports, or doing other things people generally consider 'cool'; obviously they 'are lacking some where else in life.'"
Get a grip, man... it's internet spaceships.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2009.07.26 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri When killboards first came around the corner I thought that they were very cool, finally pilots had a tool to track their kills and losses. Sure, it was flawed (and still is) with the actual loss estimations being poor, killboard systems favoring gang/fleet pilots etc.
However, as time has gone by I feel that killboards are taking much of the fun away from EVE. It's gotten PvP revolving more around e-peen than actual loss/profit and I feel that many corporations are taking them way too seriously.
Many pilots would rather have a killmail than a ransom, would avoid extreme risk encounters that would be fun to attempt, don't wish to try and fly oddball fits and strange tactics in the fear of another lossmail or public ridicule.
posting in this pointless thread.
The problem is not killboards. its the players you are talking about. If your friends dont want to do risky stuff, thats because they don't want to do risky stuff.
killboards do not favor any specific pilots. Hell most should have a ranking system that puts a spotlight on solo killers just as much as higher scores, damage dealers and killmails. So the idea tht it favors fleets or gangs is flawed.
Also the idea that you say its no longer about lost profits but instead turned into an epeen thing, wtf do you think the whole lost profits thing was? KBs just prove you were there and killed what you said you killed.
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shortattenionsp
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Posted - 2009.07.27 00:13:00 -
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Killboards are a good way of tracking kills and they do add to the game a lot.
The overall "stats" they give you are meaningless though. I could be in a gang of 100 BS - kill 100 solo t1 cruisers with the gang - and then lose my bs to a celestis and i'd still have a 100:1 kill ratio when in reality i've been a total nub without exposing myself to any real risk. Likewike getting a warp disruptor on a dread before it goes down means i've "killed" a bil or two worth of ship. Also people who pvp in frigates are going to have a much worse kill ratio than people that will only roll out in a T2 ship with a big gang, but it means nothing about how skilled the player is.
As a result some people will only fly expensive ships because they are worried about dying in a cheap ship so getting people to go out pvping becomes a chore. People are also unwilling to try out interesting or wacky setups and mostly go cookie cutter.
They are useful as a record, but as far as useful stats and telling how good a player is, they're pretty crap. Real life contains enough **** to not have to worry about spurious internet spaceship stats and your epeen.
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MasterEnt
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:31:00 -
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One of the biggest detractors I have seen persoanlly, is the blind promotion of corp members based on kills or good FC skills.
Good KB does not necessarily translate to being a good corporate level leader. Maybe a good FC, and fleet ops., but that does not necessarily make a them good Driector or manager.
We have this issue in our corp righ now. Most of the current directors have been promoted mostly of thier involvement for PVP. And they are great FCs, but they are not good at organizing other aspects of the corp.
In a 200 man PVP corp in a (0.0 PVP alliance) with 10 directors... having 8 of them been promoted due soley to PVP participation is a problem.
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2009.07.27 15:01:00 -
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The Killboard mechanic should be built into the game, IMO. These sorts of stats should be gamewide, otherwise they are just a snapshot, and biased because of voluntary adoption. Pretty useless in that form other than for bragging rights to a limited audience. It would not change my game one iota if those boards dissappeared.
There is way too much decision making that occurs because of how it might look on the killboard, which really reduces the game if you ask me. Alliances and corporations attack other alliances and corporations based on how "easy" their opponents might be to kill, instead of what territory they control and how it benefits the attacker to have that territory. Turns the game into a simple shooter.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.07.27 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 27/07/2009 15:04:13 If they were in autom,atic in game feature they would be fun.
As the 3rd party sh!t they are I dont bother reporting anything, all they do is add a level of busy work to my game enjoyment.
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