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Bootius McGee
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:38:00 -
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When this military conflict first began, the Amarr were being beaten from pillar to post, having their systems taken from them at every whim of the many brave, competent and united Minmatar Militia pilots.
This caused quite the crisis, and of course, begged loudly for a creative solution, as militarily the Amarr had no answer.
The Amarr did what all oppressors eventually do. They planted moles, sowed the seeds of internal dissension and strife, working like ****roaches hiding in the shadows, and even stooping so low as to finance the enterprise of murderous pirate thugs to harass the Minmatar militia and thus derail their advancements.
To that end, sadly, they were exceedingly successful. What were previously proud Minmatar conquests slowly returned to oppressive Amarrian authority as the Minmatar suffered from their own misguided derailings, petty personal differences and the well-financed mercenary pirate thugs set against them by the Amarr.
Then a curious thing happened. Some of the sparring members of the militia set aside their internal differences. The bought-and-paid-for pirate mercenaries were dealt with, and no longer threaten the peace, safety and security as they once had, allowing for more coordinated, complimentary and unified Minmatar military actions.
The tide began to turn once again, the many brave pilots of the Minmatar militia boldly proclaiming with unity and sense of purpose that the Amarr will not be victorious, no matter how loudly the laughable cry of "Amarr Victor" is whined from behind rocks and in roadside ditches.
So, the Amarr, singing the same old lame refrain again turn to hired guns and paid mercenaries to do what they are simply and patently incapable of doing, but this time the tune is old and dry.
Even with their hired pirate guns, even with their begged assistance from their Caldari lapdog pets, they could not prevent the bold Minmatar militia from accomplishing what they had set in their sights.
This is the new Minmatar generation. This is the new Minmatar cooperation. This is the new Minmatar force, united in spirit and in act, defiant and strong against the oppressive Amarr and their sad attempts at fomenting internal strife.
This is the new Minmatar militia, in the Amarr systems, freeing the enslaved, thwarting the attempts of these so-called "masters" and slapping their faces like the dogs they are.
This is the new Minmatar militia. Proud. Strong. Immovable and inviolate.
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:41:00 -
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And long may it continue to be so. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |
Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2009 16:49:35 You know, I really would like to congratulate the Matari on their successes. I really would.
Unfortunately for the Minmatar, the pilots who seem to do most of the talking on their behalf are the ones who are even less magnanimous in victory than the Amarr would be. Do you have any idea how egotistical you sound, Pilot McGee? Your entire post just holds a mirror up that shows how closely the Minmatar can resemble the Amarr at times.
I won't begrudge your captains and crewmen the right to celebrate a victory, nor you the right to be proud of your people for shaking off Amarrian influence in your governement... But please do the cluster a favour and give humility a try for a change, hmm? You'd find a lot more support for your efforts if you gave the rest of us even a hint that you are capable of being dignified and restrained, even in your moments of triumph. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher You know, I really would like to congratulate the Matari on their successes. I really would.
Then do so.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:50:00 -
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I believe I just did, in a backhanded sort of way. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher I believe I just did, in a backhanded sort of way.
Try to avoid the dishonest phrasing and people would have far less problem with you.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2009 16:54:42 Don't start, pilot, please. the intent of my comment was to extend congratulations to the TLF as a whole, while simultaneously criticising pilot McGee. I achieved this objective. end of discussion, and now I'm going to bow out before another argument gets started and another topic gets locked. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.07.27 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bootius McGee Bla Blah
Bootius McGee you should stop at first place to be a basement minmatar.
Basement minmatar - A minmatar person who uses big words (from far away) and is not even contributing to the effort of his people.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.07.27 17:42:00 -
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Oh look. A Minmatar posting his reasons for disliking the Amarr.
Haven't seen that before.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/07/2009 18:08:01
It is true that the ranks of the Shakorites have been strengthened by the addition to their ranks of corporations such as Dark-Rising and Reikoku. It is true that they have recently won a victory. It is true that they occupy more space now than they did a week ago.
And yet, victory on a single battlefield does not automatically mean victory in the war, and the recent Minmatar triumphalism over victory in a single system simply indicates the direness of their situation up until that point.
Those who write off the Amarr forget that we are God's people. Just as God is eternal, so is His Empire. The final victory in this war will belong to Amarr.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Zanco Ceal
Amarr Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bootius McGee united in spirit and in act
i guess your the 'spirit' part
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:49:00 -
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As happy as I am to hear of the resurgence of the TLF Pilot McGee, I humbly suggest that we keep these sorts of pronouncements to a more private venue.
Our struggle is far from over and I'd hate for our foes to turn these words against us in the future should circumstances change. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.07.27 19:39:00 -
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Jesus, can you say something new for a change?
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.27 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Jesus, can you say something new for a change?
I like Cheese.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.07.27 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone
I like Cheese.
Goat, cow or sheep?
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Vaarun
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vaarun on 27/07/2009 20:41:26 Edited by: Vaarun on 27/07/2009 20:41:02 Your assessment of the Amarr front, it's history and background, is an amusing piece of fiction.
Will this piece of fiction be published? If so, I would like a copy, as I have a table with a wobbly leg. Such a short work, free of proof or references, would be the perfect size to shim that wobbly leg.
The book of TRUE history, however, is thick, well documented, and written over a long period of time. That is the version I will read and believe for I have helped to write it.
One small victory using a tactic which will be hard to repeat(and using an exploit which will soon be fixed) does nothing. The pendulum swings back and forth, but in the end, it always swing back harder in favor of the Amarr. Yout take one, we take two(the one you took and a new one). Not an exceptionally fast progression, but we are Amarr. Time is on our side.
Take what you can from your battles. We will still concentrate on the war... "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.07.27 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Secretary Phase on 27/07/2009 21:28:39 Interesting example of how twisted reality can become through a rather emotional individuals pov.
Only thing I'd be interested in is the merc entities the OP claims to have been hired against the Minmatar, as I know from reliable sources that such a thing never happened.
So just out of curiousity and the purpose of further psychological analysis - which corps did (or do) you view as mercs hired against the Minmatar?
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.27 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Heartstone on 27/07/2009 22:36:59
Originally by: Secretary Phase Edited by: Secretary Phase on 27/07/2009 21:28:39 Only thing I'd be interested in is the merc entities the OP claims to have been hired against the Minmatar, as I know from reliable sources that such a thing never happened.
You are, of course, wrong.
The mercenary alliance Noir. Mercenary Group headed by the well known Alekseyev Karrde has been hired by the Amarr nationalist corporation P.I.E. on more than one occasion. To quote the Noir. manifesto of services rendered P.I.E. have received aid from them in the form of "POS rescue/rep" and "Consulting/Strategic Planning"[1]. The aid provided by Noir. to the P.I.E. corporation obviously bolsters P.I.E. and as a direct result hampers the Minmatar Milita efforts. P.I.E. are well known by those who conduct wars against them for hiring merc corps for whatever reason they do so. I believe it is because they, despite having a few good combat pilots, generally feel the people arrayed against them are either more experience or more competent than them. I am sure P.I.E. if they acknowledged such a practice as paying Heathens to do their god given work for them, which of course they have always refuted they have done, would have a number of other reasons for why they resorted to hiring a mercenary organisation. The major difference here is simply in the quality of the mercs hired. Normally the level of mercs employed by P.I.E. are at the low end of the scale whereas Noir. are most defiantly towards the top end.
This is the primary example that spring to mind without doing any actual research in any great depth into the subject of the Amarr Militia hiring mercenary corporations. I do not believe, however, it is the lone case but this should be constructed to mean I think they are the only one's doing so as I am sure all four factions have, at some point, had someone in their ranks who have done such a thing. It should also be noted that my words here don't condemn anyone for hiring mercenary outfits to do something for them as there is not inherently wrong with it in my opinion. What it shows and does not show about a person's character in hiring such a corporation is far too individual and subjective for any real critique of the practice to be made.
Heartstone.
[1] Reference here
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/07/2009 07:25:39
Heartstone, I think that you must be confusing PIE Inc. with some other group called P.I.E.
PIE Inc. has never entered into a business relationship with any mercenary corp, including Noir.
Why would PIE Inc. need to use Noir. for POS repairs when we have never owned any POSes?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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BattleStar Crusader
Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium
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Posted - 2009.07.28 09:14:00 -
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"This caused quite the crisis, and of course, begged loudly for a creative solution, as militarily the Amarr had no answer."
You had a rather high level pvp corp called Outbreak that pretty much won all your battles for you, they were to hard for the Amarr militia to take on. When they left things changed and the Amarr started to dominate the region, winning battle after battle until your morale was broken.
"even stooping so low as to finance the enterprise of murderous pirate thugs to harass the Minmatar militia and thus derail their advancements."
Are you talking of the pirates that, when your militia were not in space, the Amarr militia would go and shoot and kill. Waste of money if we pay the guys, then go kill them don't you think. We have an entire kill log of pirates kills for you to look over if you need proof.
After Out break left you guys went down hill, Mirrorgod started what seemed to be a long lasting civil war which diveded your militia, up until the point Dark joined. Dark kept mostly to themselves, fielded rather large corp fleets and stayed down in taff out of the way, it was only when your biggest asset and truely best asset joined did dark really fully commit to the faction war areana and go all "we love minmitar".
You then planted spies in our militia and listend in on comms while we fuaght, we did like wise and listened to ourselves on your comms. from our spies we learned about the true facts and the real reasons you were no longer a militia worth fighting. You had no fleet commanders competent enough to counter the amarr, your corps were figthing each other, you were so worried about spies you kicked you best combat pilots out of fleet. And you were so demoralised that you went into every fight thinking you would loose.
So the basic flow of my post. RKK/DARK ,featuring the minitar militia, has turned the tide of the war in your favour but as the amarr militia did last time we will adapt and get stronger and turn it back. False accusations to dermoralise will fail, your attempts to sowe decite have failed.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/07/2009 07:25:39
Heartstone, I think that you must be confusing PIE Inc. with some other group called P.I.E.
PIE Inc. has never entered into a business relationship with any mercenary corp, including Noir.
Why would PIE Inc. need to use Noir. for POS repairs when we have never owned any POSes?
If it is the case that this contract originated from a different organisation bearing a similar name to yourselves then I, of course, retract those words. In regards to PIE Inc never hiring any mercenary corp I have to say the correlation evidence is against you on that one Rodj given the number of times mercenary organisations have declared war on various entities that are at war with yourselves. Of course it might simply be the case that a long standing member of your organisation is doing it privatly I guess. In the end though if your yourself hired the mercenarys in the past I cannot believe it is something that PIE Inc would admit to which leaves the whole conversation at a bit of an impasse.
As this particular case isn't easy show one way or another, and in regards to original thrust of my argument against the Amarrian mouthpiece I would like to draw your attention to the "The 7 Mercenaries" corporation who were hired by "Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum" corporation when they were still involved in the Amarrian Milita. This fact was confirmed in public by the CEO of the Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum corporation. To be honest I probably should have cited this example first but I have an interest in the continued success story of Noir. which is why they sprung to mind first.
Heartstone.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/07/2009 10:24:10 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/07/2009 10:21:42
Originally by: Heartstone
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/07/2009 07:25:39
Heartstone, I think that you must be confusing PIE Inc. with some other group called P.I.E.
PIE Inc. has never entered into a business relationship with any mercenary corp, including Noir.
Why would PIE Inc. need to use Noir. for POS repairs when we have never owned any POSes?
If it is the case that this contract originated from a different organisation bearing a similar name to yourselves then I, of course, retract those words. In regards to PIE Inc never hiring any mercenary corp I have to say the correlation evidence is against you on that one Rodj given the number of times mercenary organisations have declared war on various entities that are at war with yourselves. Of course it might simply be the case that a long standing member of your organisation is doing it privatly I guess. In the end though if your yourself hired the mercenarys in the past I cannot believe it is something that PIE Inc would admit to which leaves the whole conversation at a bit of an impasse.
As this particular case isn't easy show one way or another, and in regards to original thrust of my argument against the Amarrian mouthpiece I would like to draw your attention to the "The 7 Mercenaries" corporation who were hired by "Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum" corporation when they were still involved in the Amarrian Milita. This fact was confirmed in public by the CEO of the Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum corporation. To be honest I probably should have cited this example first but I have an interest in the continued success story of Noir. which is why they sprung to mind first.
Heartstone.
Of course, I'm not responsible for how other corps in the Amarr miltia spend their money, but I will repeat here for the record that PIE does not hire mercenaries, and we would take a very dim view of any of our members who wastes their money on hired guns. Indeed, a lot of mercenary corps are actually red to us following past acts of aggression!
And why would we need to hire mercenaries anyway, when pretty much every time we find ourselves we have a new war we receive offers of free help from our friends and allies?
However, on the issue of mercenary corps involved in the current conflict, the highest profile one at the moment appears to be FRICK. And they're fighting on the Minmatar side.
As such, Bootius' assertion that the Amarr "...turn to hired guns and paid mercenaries to do what they are simply and patently incapable of doing..." seems a little odd.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Heartstone on 28/07/2009 10:48:09
Originally by: Rodj Blake
However, on the issue of mercenary corps involved in the current conflict, the highest profile one at the moment appears to be FRICK. And they're fighting on the Minmatar side.
As such, Bootius' assertion that the Amarr "...turn to hired guns and paid mercenaries to do what they are simply and patently incapable of doing..." seems a little odd.
In regards to FRICK I am not sure if they are still a Mercenary organisation in regard to this conflict. I suspect given their history with long term Matari freedom fighters that they may simply be in this conflict because it is what they believe in. I don't know for sure as I said previous the use of mercenary corporations isn't something that I have issue with in any case. I certainly wouldn't use the use of mercenary outfits such as FRICK or anyone else to be an indication of failure or desperation on anyone's part. My response was simply in regards to the rather sweeping declarative issued by the Amarrian Mouthpiece that "Only thing I'd be interested in is the merc entities the OP claims to have been hired against the Minmatar, as I know from reliable sources that such a thing never happened".
Heartstone.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:46:00 -
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The allegation that PIE has payed mercenaries for "strategic consulting" is one of the funniest things I have read on here in a while. Given that we tend to fight rather unique wars and have a policy of flying Amarrian only ships, it is a fantastic exercise to try and come up with the potential issues for which we could actually use "strategic consulting."
Let me know when you plan to release the next ill-researched slander attempt, I could use another laugh.
Oh, and it is, of course, absolutely impossible that large public announcements filled with ill-advised hyperbole and often outright lies from a certain party would cause neutral parties to take an interest and declare war on you. In such a circumstance it must be the group you are targeting that hired them as there is no-one in space who dislikes your organization enough to try and hurt you when you conveniently tell the entire world exactly what you are going to be up to.
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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 27/07/2009 22:36:59
Originally by: Secretary Phase Edited by: Secretary Phase on 27/07/2009 21:28:39 Only thing I'd be interested in is the merc entities the OP claims to have been hired against the Minmatar, as I know from reliable sources that such a thing never happened.
You are, of course, wrong.
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I am - of course - not.
Not only have Noir. not been hired by PIE, they are not even involved in the conflict in any way. The only current link to the conflict is that one of the alliances they have wardecced at this moment harbours a corp that until very recently has been a part of the Amarr militia (APVS).
As to other hired guns fighting for the Amarr: Not only do all my sources deny existence of such deals in the past or present (a denial you may of course put in question), there also exist no combat records of any mercenary corporation deserving the name fighting on the Amarr side directly, in form of concord-sanctioned wardecs or plain acts of piracy - and that's a fact - you're welcome to try and prove me wrong.
On the other hand, FRICK. having joined the Minmatar militia as well as Com-Star and GIS performing POS defense duties for -DARK (iirc) as well as selectively engaging Amarr when in the area sheds quite an opposite light on the claims - and these are only from the top of my head.
Best regards
Secretary Phase
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Heartstone on 28/07/2009 15:02:11
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Let me know when you plan to release the next ill-researched slander attempt, I could use another laugh.
I hardly think it was ill researched to assume that a corporation that hired Noir. being called PIE would be attributed to yourselves. As for the rest of your tirade on what you do and don't need I'll simply shrug and move on as frankly I think some Strategic consulting would be good for you but your pride would never let you admit to that. As stated before though this isn't about PIE this is about the wild claims made by one of the Amarrian Militia's cheerleaders. Always so defense Gaven. Dear oh dear.
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Oh, and it is, of course, absolutely impossible that large public announcements filled with ill-advised hyperbole and often outright lies from a certain party would cause neutral parties to take an interest and declare war on you. In such a circumstance it must be the group you are targeting that hired them as there is no-one in space who dislikes your organization enough to try and hurt you when you conveniently tell the entire world exactly what you are going to be up to.
As I wasn't particularly talking about SF and in fact never made mention of my Alliance in anything I said I think we can mark this one off as yet another attempt by yourself to troll anything posted by a member of my Alliance. It is rather sad that you are reduced to this ill conceived ranting and frothing when ever our Alliance name is mentioned. Maybe you can ask Rodj for some pointers on how a good Amarrian should behave in public? Find another thread to derail Mr. Lok'ri.
Heartsone.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Secretary Phase
I am - of course - not.
Well you aren't in regards to Noir. That seems to be the case after it was cleared up by Rodj but the fact still remains that Mercenary Corporations have indeed been hired against the Minmatar people by Amarrian Militia corporation. However As I pointed out in my reply to Rodj when he brought to my attention there was another corp of almost the same name who had hired Noir. and it was not in fact their corporation the Mercencary corp known as "The 7 Mercenaries" were indeed hired by an Amarrian Milita corporation known as the "Sisters Of Jamyl Sarum". This was conformed by their CEO in public. I do have to wonder why everyone is being so defensive about it though to be honest. What is it about the practice of hiring experts to do a job of work that the Amarrians and their mouth pieces find so terrible they cannot admit it?
I suggest you ask your sources why they are lying to you.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:16:00 -
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This business about mercenaries is a ridiculous debate anyway. What does it matter? If the 24th Crusade needs mercenaries it needs mercenaries. Its hardly a note of shame for a military organization under pressure to call in for help. To be quite honest I agree with Heartstone - the Amarrian militia could do with some professional help since it might teach them how to fight rather than run away and hide in high sec.
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Marus Sulla
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Jesus, can you say something new for a change?
Slavery so last years fashion is it?
Maybe for the many-born who will never suffer it or the super rich like yourself Istvaan?
Congrats TLF on a small victory in the only war worth fighting in the cluster.
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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.07.28 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Secretary Phase on 28/07/2009 16:31:31 Whilst I agree that it is rather unimportant, the OP claims hired guns had turned the tides in the conflict in favour of the Amarr side which would imply a large scale involvement on their behalf, which never was the case.
As I had pointed out in the first place, I just asked which mercenary forces the OP imagines to have done so for purely academic reasons.
Considering my sources in the Amarr Militia and them lying to me: The sisters of Jamyl Sarum have never been any major contributor to the Amarr Militia and don't even exist anymore as far as I know (I wonder why...) - neither did their hired guns (if your claim holds true at all) influence the course of the war in any significant manner, thus it may have escaped my attention.
Back on topic, it should be stated that the simple truth is: The Amarr Militia was steamrolled in the very beginning of the war because a completely disorganized bunch of small corps and individual pilots faced toxin (around 200 very well organized and highly skilled pilots at that time) and heretics accompanied by a bunch of small disorganized corps twice the numbers of the Amarr. As if this had not been enough, the Minmatar had so many spies in Amarr communications channels, they could even afford to blow their cover in order to sabotage them. Another major contribution is due to the fact that the prerequistites for a system to change ownership were extremely low for the first 1-2 weeks of the conflict, the period in which all early Minmatar success took place.
Admittedly, the changes introduced by concord have saved the Amarr from getting completely overrun but also made the reclaiming of those 7 lost systems a way more tedious process than it had been for the Minmatar invading them in the first place.
During that period, Slacker Industries being the only noteworthy corp in the Amarr Militia except for PIE (who mostly sticked to themselves) didn't help either as they were known for militia internal wardecs, piracy and dissent among the Amarr, leading to the withdrawal of CVA support before it even started and that lasts to this date.
After 0utbreak had left and MG had broken with the Minmatar Militia, the remainder of the Minmatar was a bunch of disorganized pilots twice the number of the Amarr, whereas the Amarr had adapted to fighting a superior enemy and as a results wreaked havoc on them. The series of defeats experienced by them made their numbers dwindle as all the freeloaders ran and at the lowest point, Minmatar only outnumbered Amarr by roughly 600 pilots.
STAND came and left the Minmatar and are now a shadow of their former self, DR failed to make any impact and had to rely on mercs to defend their POS. Now RKK joining the Minmatar may have some impact (and already does - again myriads of hanger-ons crawl out of their holes), but the full impact has yet to be seen as they seem to be doing something else for the most part until now.
Spies have been doing their jobs on both sides and still do so, so that's not a major contributor.
The issue at hand is, that the OP claims that Amarr spies and mercs to have played a sisgnificant role, whereas the main bulk of the remaining 4500 pilots after toxin and heretics had left being pushovers (except for MAAK) who only had learned to follow those spearhead-corps around in a blob is enough of an explanation. The lack of any major merc involvement on combat records is enough to prove him wrong (and I don't mean a third-class small merc corp that may or may not have been hired by a nonentity).
Best regards
Secretary Phase
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