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Vaarun
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Vaarun on 28/07/2009 16:34:42
Originally by: Heartstone This is the primary example that spring to mind without doing any actual research in any great depth into the subject of the Amarr Militia hiring mercenary corporations.
THIS^^
You discredit your own attack.
I suggest you DO more actual research before making assumptions or accusations.
PIE does not maintain POS's, and we need no consulting in our strategic affairs. This cannot be PIE, Inc.
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
-Vaarun |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vaarun Edited by: Vaarun on 28/07/2009 16:34:42
Originally by: Heartstone This is the primary example that spring to mind without doing any actual research in any great depth into the subject of the Amarr Militia hiring mercenary corporations.
THIS^^
You discredit your own attack.
I suggest you DO more actual research before making assumptions or accusations.
PIE does not maintain POS's, and we need no consulting in our strategic affairs. This cannot be PIE, Inc.
Has Heartstone not already retracted the comment based on an understandable confusion between similarly named corporations?
Why belabour the point.
A mistake was made it has been admitted and retracted.
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Has Heartstone not already retracted the comment based on an understandable confusion between similarly named corporations?
Why belabour the point.
A mistake was made it has been admitted and retracted.
I think it is fairly clear why he is belabouring the point he is simply following his Master Gaven's lead in trolling everything thread with SF members in as much as possible until the thread is derailed. Sad really as there are one or two in the ranks of PIE who have not fallen into this trap of throwing tantrums in public until their voice drowns out all others. Now can we please can back to the point in hand rather than the continual ineffective sniping at SF?
Heartstone. ---
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 28/07/2009 19:24:50
Originally by: Heartstone
I think it is fairly clear why he is belabouring the point he is simply following his Master Gaven's lead in trolling everything thread with SF members in as much as possible until the thread is derailed. Sad really as there are one or two in the ranks of PIE who have not fallen into this trap of throwing tantrums in public until their voice drowns out all others. Now can we please can back to the point in hand rather than the continual ineffective sniping at SF?
Heartstone.
I am astonished that anyone could make such a hypocritical attack with a straight face.
You have the gall to say that I am the one derailing the thread when you have come out with:
1. An accusation that my corporation lied when we said we do not hire mercs:
"I am sure P.I.E. if they acknowledged such a practice as paying Heathens to do their god given work for them, which of course they have always refuted they have done, would have a number of other reasons for why they resorted to hiring a mercenary organisation."
2. A slanderous and utterly unfounded statement that PIE "are well known by those who conduct wars against them for hiring merc corps for whatever reason they do so."
3. A insult that PIE feels that its enemies are "more competent than them" and therefore needs to hire mercs.
4. A fallacious exhibit of evidence that you did not check up on and used to support your slander against PIE.
5. When Rodj pointed out your use of inaccurate evidence, you then suggested Rodj either was lying or that PIE has some mysterious shadowy person hiring mercs to attack people. Your "apology" is in the midst of calling Rodj a liar or a fool.
And then you come and accuse me of somehow trolling every SF post and having no business getting involved in this thread, when you had actively derailed the thread into a direct slander of PIE's name and were trying to get away with your basic insinuations even though your primary evidence is complete bunk and none of your attacks are founded.
You said the mistake has been admitted and retracted, but then in the same breath as your "apology" continued to accuse us of lying. The point of my post was to call you on that attempt to make the slander you had concocted stick. And suddenly, now that you have been called on that, your tune has changed to a message that PIE taking umbrage at your attempt to slander our name is to follow "Gaven's lead in trolling everything thread with SF members in as much as possible until the thread is derailed."
Lying about the activities of someone's organization in an attempt to slander them and then trying to pretend that their response to your slander is the derail is one of the lowest tactics I have seen used on this forum in quite a while.
I had believed that you had simply made a mistake and that you were so arrogant in your own interpretation that you could not see any alternative way in which the "evidence" of our using mercenaries could be explained.
But after this display, I am no longer so sure that it was a mistake at all.
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
Vaarun
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Vaarun on 28/07/2009 19:25:49
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Has Heartstone not already retracted the comment based on an understandable confusion between similarly named corporations?
Why belabour the point.
A mistake was made it has been admitted and retracted.
The "belaboring" points to the mindset that was so eager to assume that PIE, Inc. would be hiring mercenaries, which fits his preconcieved notions. Whan making accusations, a bit of due diligence is in order, otherwise you look ill-informed and uncredible. Simply sweeping the matter away under some back-handed retraction does not alleviate you from the fault so easily. But, my point on this has been made: the slight has been documented. You can stop waving your hands...
Originally by: Heartstone
I think it is fairly clear why he is belabouring the point he is simply following his Master Gaven's lead in trolling everything thread with SF members in as much as possible until the thread is derailed. Sad really as there are one or two in the ranks of PIE who have not fallen into this trap of throwing tantrums in public until their voice drowns out all others. Now can we please can back to the point in hand rather than the continual ineffective sniping at SF?
Heartstone.
Derailed? Not only do you show the inability to check your facts, but you forget the intent of the thread you claim is being derailed!
To review, the title of the post is "The True Cowardice and Incompetence that is the Amarr". You had made a statement supporting this conjecture, a conjecture of flawed origin and assumption. I was merely underlining your error as it shows a mindset that is obviously bereft of any objectivity. This was very unlike one of your previous posts where I thought you gave a very un-biased assessment of the Faction War. Why can you not do so now? Hmm...I wonder...
Your eagerness to lock-step with your corpmates on this issue was rather obvious, and in your haste, your error was made. Who is following who's Master, Heartstone?
Very well, back on topic. You have cited some cases to support the assumption of the OP and they have been shown to be flawed. Next sniper round? I have yet to see any real evidence of "cowardice or incompetence" by Amarr either in the KB or FW stats. And please check your sources before posting. It helps keep us on topic, which is the only thing I think we can both agree on...
EDIT: I did not see the Admiral's reply before posting mine, otherwise I would not have bothered for I think he adressed it quite well. Still, I spent the effort, so I will leave it.
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
1. An accusation that my corporation lied when we said we do not hire mercs:
"I am sure P.I.E. if they acknowledged such a practice as paying Heathens to do their god given work for them, which of course they have always refuted they have done, would have a number of other reasons for why they resorted to hiring a mercenary organisation."
Yes and? I still believe this is the case.
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2. A slanderous and utterly unfounded statement that PIE "are well known by those who conduct wars against them for hiring merc corps for whatever reason they do so."
Again I still believe that is the case and it is not only SF who have commented on the fact that when they are at war with PIE Inc there is suddenly a war dec from a Merc alliance or corporation without fail every time at roughly the same time in the war. Therefore I believe it is the case yes.
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3. A insult that PIE feels that its enemies are "more competent than them" and therefore needs to hire mercs.
Not an insult at all simply how I view the fact that we only see a certain small number of your pilots doing anything but running away.
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4. A fallacious exhibit of evidence that you did not check up on and used to support your slander against PIE.
Again it was an honest mistake that PIE wasn't the same as Pie. I suppose you claim to have never made a mistake?
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5. When Rodj pointed out your use of inaccurate evidence, you then suggested Rodj either was lying or that PIE has some mysterious shadowy person hiring mercs to attack people. Your "apology" is in the midst of calling Rodj a liar or a fool.
No I agreed with I'm that maybe it wasn't the same PIE I have yet to see evidence that it ISN'T the same PIE but for the sake of being honest[1] I have admitted that I don't know. Really Gaven half quoting some parts and failing to quote at all when it doesn't suit your ends? How see through are you planning on making your at slight of hand? The rest of it was observation on what I have seen from you.
As for the rest of your laughable excuse to justify your actions Gaven I will simply let others look at every thread SF members have posted in and see for themselves your stalker like obsession.
Feel free to continue to fail around grasping at half truths to justify your continued pointless tirades. I have grown completely sick of talking to someone who refuses to have the common decency to not try and twist everything that is put in front of them and yes derail everything he can into a bitter rant against the people he calls irrelevant at every opportunity. To that end you will be shouting into the wind from now on Gaven as it is clear you have nothing intelligent to add to any conversation I shall not be bothering to read anything you write. Rodj at least has shown that whilst I believe he is an agent of Evil in this universe he can at least be civil.
Heartstone.
[1] Just to help you out on this one Gaven. Honest - Hon+est adj. - Characterized by truth; not false ---
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 20:44:00 -
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You had best hope that people just believe your hyperbole rather than actually checking your facts. Because if you look at "every thread SF members have posted in" you will find that I ignore the vast majority of your posts.
I must ask though, and I do believe this is a return to the original topic, what does it mean if a corporation that you personally apparently "only see a certain small number of [their] pilots doing anything but running away" has been involved in over two hundred and forty ship kills and taken over sixty losses in the last week alone? Did those all happen because we ran away, or is the assertion that we are cowards empirically disproven by the deaths of our martyrs and the burning hulls of Matari and Amarrian warships strewn across the theater of their most recent offensive?
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I must ask though, and I do believe this is a return to the original topic, what does it mean if a corporation that you personally apparently "only see a certain small number of [their] pilots doing anything but running away" has been involved in over two hundred and forty ship kills and taken over sixty losses in the last week alone?
He means you run away from us.
Quote: Did those all happen because we ran away, or is the assertion that we are cowards empirically disproven by the deaths of our martyrs and the burning hulls of Matari and Amarrian warships strewn across the theater of their most recent offensive?
You are good at cooperating in mass frigate attacks against relatively young matari fighters in restricted complexes - these are the kills you routinely score. This does not change Heartstone's (correct) assessment, that when we see your ships in space they are mostly running away (from us).
3rd Forces in FW - discuss! |
Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.07.28 22:41:00 -
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This must be the new SF, guys look at me me me that was converted, then gradually evolves into the SF vs. Amarr thread. hmmm I have a idea
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Foolish Bob
Caldari FireTech In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2009.07.28 23:20:00 -
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Brace yourselves, for I'm about to pull the thread back on topic. I must be ill or something
Congrats to the minnies for taking a system of course, but for the OP I wouldn't think that this is going to be much of a psychological blow to the Amarr. After all outnumbering them by 500 pilots wasn't enough for you to acheive this victory - it required a majority of almost a full 1000 in order to make any headway against them. That's kind of cool.
I'd also point out that I was there when Amarr was more outnumbered, more blobbed and more spied upon than it is now. Systems fell and U'K had cap fleets on standby to support most minmatar fleet actions. The tide turned then and I have every expectation that it will again. ----------- I am me. I am not the corp I've joined nor the alliance I fly in.
I'm also not a unique and special snowflake.
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.07.28 23:43:00 -
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I fully support Foolish Bob's statement, and yeah, why not, congratulations to the minnies for taking a system, good for you guys. You did great.
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Secretary Phase
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Posted - 2009.07.29 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 28/07/2009 15:02:11 ....the wild claims made by one of the Amarrian Militia's cheerleaders.
Heartstone.
*A screen flickers, you see Secretary Phase not wearing her usual business suit but a short skirt and a bra*
Give me an F!
Give me an A!
Give me an I!
Give me an L!
STAR FRACTION!
Best regards
Secretary Phase
*transmissions ends*
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 08:29:00 -
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Quote:
You are good at cooperating in mass frigate attacks against relatively young matari fighters in restricted complexes
I am sure that RKK and Dark-Rising pilots who have been the main presence in the complexes over the last few weeks will take great joy in knowing that they are relatively young and that the ships they are losing are to mass frigate attacks. FRICK also strike me as a particularly new set of pilots that just have no idea what to do when the "mass frigate attack" comes by.
I am, of course, being quite sarcastic. Those groups fight aggressively and they understand what is actually important in war. That much I have to give them.
Even if they fight for the wrong cause, they are fighting to win and they are actively threatening Amarr. They will be stopped because we have no choice but to do anything in our power to stop any who would attack the Empire of God and His People.
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.29 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri we have no choice but to do anything in our power to stop any who would attack the Empire of God and His People.
But Admiral, you do have a choice. You just do not want to suffer the consequences - the consequences of thousands of years of picking the wrong choice.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine This does not change Heartstone's (correct) assessment, that when we see your ships in space they are mostly running away (from us).
By the same reasoning SF seems too frightened to join the real war and continues to wallow within the safety of their own alliance and is content with pestering Crusade pilots from the sidelines.
PIE's primary objective is the war with the Republic and her supporters, and SF are merely targets of opportunity. Ignored where possible, destroyed if expedient.
Star Fraction lacks the will to truly commit to this war, and lacks the will to adapt their tactics to be effective in the role they have chosen for themselves in this war. Hence Star Fraction is entirely dependent on their opponents decision to engage them for any kind of conflict to occur.
Rationalizing SF's difficult position as 'opponents running away' is of course entirely logical and expected.
As far as I'm concerned, SF's role is similar to the MALIN pirates of Sahtogas, both have fairly static operations, are based in one system, do only few roams and are primarly camping stations and stargates with heavy ships and have no interest in defending or attacking navy installations. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri we have no choice but to do anything in our power to stop any who would attack the Empire of God and His People.
But Admiral, you do have a choice. You just do not want to suffer the consequences - the consequences of thousands of years of picking the wrong choice.
We worked towards peace for a century, warmonger.
You repayed us with the largest surprise attack in history and now have the gall to pretend that this war is our fault.
Shakor signed the death warrant for your Republic. No matter how long this war takes, it will end with the Republic broken and Shakor dead or exiled to his Jovian friends.
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.29 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 29/07/2009 13:49:41
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We worked towards peace for a century, warmonger.
The Empire was talking about peace for a century. Slight difference, Admiral.
Quote: You repayed us with the largest surprise attack in history and now have the gall to pretend that this war is our fault.
I was talking about the consequences of thousands of years of wrong choices, not of the actions of the last year. Those thousands of years of wrong choices were yours, not ours.
And I do not give fault for anything here. Who cares about "fault." You take your choices, you live with the consequences. As do we.
Just do not pretend that you do not have a choice.
You do.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/07/2009 14:19:37
Originally by: Arkady Sadik Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 29/07/2009 13:49:41
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We worked towards peace for a century, warmonger.
The Empire was talking about peace for a century. Slight difference, Admiral.
They don't give out the Aidonis Award for simply talking about peace.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.29 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 29/07/2009 14:44:48
Originally by: Rodj Blake They don't give out the Aidonis Award for simply talking about peace.
Indeed.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik I was talking about the consequences of thousands of years of wrong choices, not of the actions of the last year. Those thousands of years of wrong choices were yours, not ours.
Interesting Mr. Sadik, do you believe blame for sins (crimes) can carry across generations? Can descendants be held responsible for acts of their ancestors?
MR. Sadik, you need to forgive to have peace. If you feel a responsibility to avenge every slight inflicted upon someone millennia in the past, then you will never stop avenging. They you simply do not desire peace. Let go Mr. Sadik, look towards the future, not towards the past. You cannot right the wrongs of the past by killing unrelated people in the present, you are merely creating more possible avengers.
Do you possess the capability to forgive? ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
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Zanco Ceal
Amarr Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.29 16:55:00 -
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thats great but you all seem to forget that Heartstone likes cheese.
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Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.30 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth Interesting Mr. Sadik, do you believe blame for sins (crimes) can carry across generations?
I am still not talking about blame, nor about sins, nor about crimes.
The actions of your ancestors are not yours. Your still have to live with the consequences of those actions - and that is not because I am evil-minded, cruel, or unforgiving. It's a simple observation.
Quote: MR. Sadik, you need to forgive to have peace.
You are talking to the wrong person, and you are ignoring the content of the discussion here.
You are talking to the wrong person because I did not want this war, nor did I work towards this war - quite to the contrary, actually. But history is short, and trying to remember past the last year would be troublesome I guess?
You are ignoring the content of the discussion because you, like the Admiral, would rather not hear what I said. I merely disclaimed the Admiral's - factually wrong - statement that he had no choice. You would rather talk endlessly about the injustive that was dealt to you by the evil Minmatar. Which is not surprising: To persuade yourself that you have no choice, you have to fabricate a reality in which that is true. You have to make yourself angry, let the little what you have left of your emotions run freely so you can believe with all your soul that this war, the situation we are in, is a situation of one-sided "fault", that the Matari have "sinned", and that you, the victims of this enormous, one-sided crime, indeed have no choice.
You still do.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik The actions of your ancestors are not yours. Your still have to live with the consequences of those actions - and that is not because I am evil-minded, cruel, or unforgiving. It's a simple observation.
I'll quote you to my slaves next time they are in need of a whipping.
Originally by: Arkady Sadik You are talking to the wrong person because I did not want this war, nor did I work towards this war - quite to the contrary, actually. But history is short, and trying to remember past the last year would be troublesome I guess?
I did not want this war either. However, people change, perhaps you have changed as well?
Originally by: Arkady Sadik You are ignoring the content of the discussion because you, like the Admiral, would rather not hear what I said. I merely disclaimed the Admiral's - factually wrong - statement that he had no choice. You would rather talk endlessly about the injustive that was dealt to you by the evil Minmatar. Which is not surprising: To persuade yourself that you have no choice, you have to fabricate a reality in which that is true. You have to make yourself angry, let the little what you have left of your emotions run freely so you can believe with all your soul that this war, the situation we are in, is a situation of one-sided "fault", that the Matari have "sinned", and that you, the victims of this enormous, one-sided crime, indeed have no choice.
I believe what the admiral meant that, as a faithful Amarrian, he would have no choice. His other choice would be to stop being a faithful Amarrian.
The Republic initiated this attack, the Republic is still continuing the attack. The Empire responded in kind. In war, both parties are victims.
I personally do not believe the Republic committed a crime, I believe that the Empire is responsible for the Republic's attack. I believe we were to kind, to lenient, towards our unruly Matari children. When we first enslaved your culture, we were poor parents, we could and should have done better, and not raised so many immoral and irresponsible children. If offered the hand of peace, the Matari respond with war.
I am working hard to correct that mistake.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Arkady Sadik
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Arkady Sadik The actions of your ancestors are not yours. Your still have to live with the consequences of those actions - and that is not because I am evil-minded, cruel, or unforgiving. It's a simple observation.
I'll quote you to my slaves next time they are in need of a whipping.
Oh Merdaneth, we have had such a nice discussion at such a high level, and you stoop that low - deliberately misrepresenting it in your reply in a pitiful attempt to ridicule your conversation partner. What happened to the stoic nature of yours? Did something tragic happen to you lately?
Quote: However, people change, perhaps you have changed as well?
Ah - to answer your question, then: I do indeed possess the ability to forgive. You can ask Ms. Coratana, Kazzzi, and quite a few others about that.
And no, I have not changed.
I still would have preferred this war not to start. I still would have preferred this war not to start like this. I also would have prefered the Amarr never to have taken any Minmatar slave
All of those preferences are equally historical artifacts now, though.
Quote: I believe what the admiral meant that, as a faithful Amarrian, he would have no choice. His other choice would be to stop being a faithful Amarrian.
I think it's a bit rude to imply that all the faithful amarrians who have chosen to fight against the Empire of Oppression and for the Empire of Heideran are not faithful Amarrians, but I guess that is part of every extremist movement - you have to make sure that your extremism is well-guarded and not diluted by moderate forces, lest you might find yourself alone very quickly.
But indeed. As you say, he does have a choice. It's his choice. He has to live with the consequences of his choice. As do all the loyalists of the Empire.
You should now tell me that you will happily do so, and we can end this discussion.
Just do not betray yourself to make your choice easier and assume that you do not have a choice.
You do.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 30/07/2009 09:48:32
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
I think it's a bit rude to imply that all the faithful amarrians who have chosen to fight against the Empire of Oppression and for the Empire of Heideran are not faithful Amarrians, but I guess that is part of every extremist movement - you have to make sure that your extremism is well-guarded and not diluted by moderate forces, lest you might find yourself alone very quickly.
The Empire of Jamyl is the same as the Empire of Heideran. One can be faithful to both, or to neither. But one cannot choose between them.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik Oh Merdaneth, we have had such a nice discussion at such a high level, and you stoop that low - deliberately misrepresenting it in your reply in a pitiful attempt to ridicule your conversation partner. What happened to the stoic nature of yours? Did something tragic happen to you lately?
War happened mr. Sadik. To appear unaffected by the Republic aggression and the countless of dead would take a quite stoic man indeed. As for mispresentation, I do not believe that at all, unless you explain to me why it is perfectly ok to say such things against one group (Amarrians) but not against another (slaves). To not apply the same logic to both groups seem arbitrary.
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Ah - to answer your question, then: I do indeed possess the ability to forgive. You can ask Ms. Coratana, Kazzzi, and quite a few others about that.
Forgiveness is not conditional. Forgiving people that apologize and change their ways is not true forgiveness mr. Sadik. True forgiveness is to forgive even when another has not changed their ways or has not made reparations (yet).
Originally by: Arkady Sadik I still would have preferred this war not to start. I still would have preferred this war not to start like this. I also would have prefered the Amarr never to have taken any Minmatar slave
All of those preferences are equally historical artifacts now, though.
History: yes. Artifacts: no. They are artifacts when they have no more than a distant symbolic meaning. In my eyes I see Matari killing daily in the name of something that happened millenia ago.
Originally by: Arkady Sadik You should now tell me that you will happily do so, and we can end this discussion.
Just do not betray yourself to make your choice easier and assume that you do not have a choice.
You do.
I don't and have never said so. This is the essence of my position about freedom. We all have choices, some are attractive, others are not. Some easy, others not. Slaves have choices, Amarrian Holders have choices. We are all equally free in that respect. That's why fighting 'for freedom' in general is folly. Everybody already has the freedom to determine one's actions. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.07.30 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zanco Ceal thats great but you all seem to forget that Heartstone likes cheese.
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Heartstone
I like Cheese.
Goat, cow or sheep?
But what kind of cheese does Heartstone like?
It is a mystery that may never be solved!
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.30 18:16:00 -
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when PIE gives it word, such word is law. they are known to abide by their honor.
when NOIR gives it word, such word is law. They are known to abide by their honor.
when both groups give conflicting words it creates paradox and confusion.
The truth was, of course, that it was a different PIE. But before that revelation each pilot had to make a choice; the choice of whom to believe.
Personally I believed PIE but I have prior internal knowledge of the Amarr bloc and I know their old-standard guidelines. But that is not an easy choice and it is entirely legitimate to assume NOIRÆs word as truth for those who do not know the measure of PIEÆs leadership but do know NOIRÆs honor code.
Take those who believed PIE over NOIR as a compliment, and for NOIR the reverse is true as well. Honor to those who disserve it.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.30 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Star Fraction lacks the will to truly commit to this war
Two points
1. As a current Star Fraction pilot I take umbrage at the clumsy attempt to paint SF pilots as afraid or lacking in Will. I am not unknown in your circles and I have never be afraid of a fight nor have I ever been part of an organization that was cowardly.
2. Star FractionÆs efforts have been very effective in the field. I know this as even my own personal liquification of target vessels has shown effect on the ability for combined fleets to function. The effect (greater than me) from the long standing and highly capable Star Fraction has been shown by enemy members abandoning their corporations, by corporations withdrawing from the theater of war and by the success of operations from allies. Further the ability to chase targets into Imperial Territory has been very gratifying.
Merdaneth, you specifically design your personal tactic to have near zero risk, as a result you have near zero effect on the actual battle. I invite you to have the will to commit to the war and put assets on the line.
I may think well of you as a person, I may accept you have insightful opinions and a sharp mind, I may even have respect for you, but in this instance I can not respect a care bear PvPerÆs opinion of what is effective in the realm of goal acquisition nor swallow the hypocrisy of a Crusader pilot that refuses to take the same risk as his fellow pilots. IÆm sure yesterday PIE was well mollified that you shot yet another lone frigate in your interceptor while I melted another of your fellow pilotÆs geddons into golden dust.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.07.30 19:41:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Merdaneth
Star Fraction lacks the will to truly commit to this war
Two points
1. As a current Star Fraction pilot I take umbrage at the clumsy attempt to paint SF pilots as afraid or lacking in Will. I am not unknown in your circles and I have never be afraid of a fight nor have I ever been part of an organization that was cowardly.
2. Star FractionÆs efforts have been very effective in the field. I know this as even my own personal liquification of target vessels has shown effect on the ability for combined fleets to function. The effect (greater than me) from the long standing and highly capable Star Fraction has been shown by enemy members abandoning their corporations, by corporations withdrawing from the theater of war and by the success of operations from allies. Further the ability to chase targets into Imperial Territory has been very gratifying.
Merdaneth, you specifically design your personal tactic to have near zero risk, as a result you have near zero effect on the actual battle. I invite you to have the will to commit to the war and put assets on the line.
I may think well of you as a person, I may accept you have insightful opinions and a sharp mind, I may even have respect for you, but in this instance I can not respect a care bear PvPerÆs opinion of what is effective in the realm of goal acquisition nor swallow the hypocrisy of a Crusader pilot that refuses to take the same risk as his fellow pilots. IÆm sure yesterday PIE was well mollified that you shot yet another lone frigate in your interceptor while I melted another of your fellow pilotÆs geddons into golden dust.
Well i would be interested what coprorations in amarr miltia were destroyed by SF and forced to leave as SF is one one of the smallest alliances with people barely performing their duties.
Speaking about impact. Star Fraction cant even engage amarr miltia fleet couse cant field enough numbers to counter average roaming gang.
So what ever you think about any kind of impact is completly wrong. You add numbers to hostile fleets against us but thats all.
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