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Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.30 20:38:00 - [61] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss 1. As a current Star Fraction pilot I take umbrage at the clumsy attempt to paint SF pilots as afraid or lacking in Will. I am not unknown in your circles and I have never be afraid of a fight nor have I ever been part of an organization that was cowardly. Mr. Bliss, SF pilots do not lack the will to fight, on the contrary. They merely make the choice not to fight in the arena where it matters, but in an arena of their own making. SF lacks the will to change their preferred arena. SF lacks the will to join the militia. Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss 2. Star FractionÆs efforts have been very effective in the field. I know this as even my own personal liquification of target vessels has shown effect on the ability for combined fleets to function. The effect (greater than me) from the long standing and highly capable Star Fraction has been shown by enemy members abandoning their corporations, by corporations withdrawing from the theater of war and by the success of operations from allies. Further the ability to chase targets into Imperial Territory has been very gratifying. Perhaps mr. Bliss. Perhaps some corporation operate in the same arena as SF and thus can be truly affected by them. I do not operate in that arena, and I believe most pilots of PIE and other loyalists do not. Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Merdaneth, you specifically design your personal tactic to have near zero risk, as a result you have near zero effect on the actual battle. I invite you to have the will to commit to the war and put assets on the line. I choose my tactics for effect. However, losing one ship a day is fairly common for me due to the risks I take to defend the Empire. Even today I was shot down while fighting with Sasawong over a installation in Frerstorn. There is rarely something important to me under threat when I SF ships are in space. In case you haven't noticed, there is a war going on and I'm not going to attack you 'for fun'. Today SF pilots had a rare chance to force me to fight in Kamela, as I was busy defending a Amarr installation there. Unfortunately your pilots took a lot of time to get support into place (Claymore and even a Titan were called in as support), and it took time to refit their Assault Frigate especially against our ships, and the AF only started its attack run after the installation had already been defended. Even then, because the AF was fit for defense rather than offense, it still failed to take down a PIE vessel even though it was engaged with our ships for several minutes. Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I may think well of you as a person, I may accept you have insightful opinions and a sharp mind, I may even have respect for you, but in this instance I can not respect a care bear PvPerÆs opinion of what is effective in the realm of goal acquisition nor swallow the hypocrisy of a Crusader pilot that refuses to take the same risk as his fellow pilots. IÆm sure yesterday PIE was well mollified that you shot yet another lone frigate in your interceptor while I melted another of your fellow pilotÆs geddons into golden dust. Mr. Bliss, what is a 'pvper'? I've many failings and areas of improvement in the eyes PIE command, however my combat ability is not high on that list. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.30 22:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Merdaneth Mr. Bliss, what is a 'pvper'? It is an abbreviation for Pilot Vs Pilot Combat Flier, a pod captain that chooses to focus their clone life on war directly against other pod captains, rather than say the safer plush toy market. That has since spawned further slang such as Care Bear PvPer which combines the outward semblance of Pilot vs Pilot Combat Flier with a desire for maximum safety and minimum risk such as the afore mentioned Plush Toy market (stuffed slaver dogs with Brutor slavedoll chew toy, for exsample). Originally by: Merdaneth I've many failings and areas of improvement in the eyes PIE command, however my combat ability is not high on that list. I do not doubt your combat ability in a Crusader, I am sure you fit your ship and clone to take maximum effect and youÆve had years of practice. You can fly that bug very well. You can be a knat that nips at the underbelly of your enemy. All well and good. It is, however, a significantly safer way to battle than in something capable of exacting vengeance against an opponent on the level necessary to debilitate a foe or defend an installation. You are not alone in this choice of safety over effectiveness, indeed IÆm more likely in the minority on this one. But I made comment on this choice of style as it draws a parallel to your claims of Jericho's lack of will to commit deeply to the fight when you merely zip around in a ship designed for its escaping ability.
Mra Rednu Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.31 08:25:00 - [63] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss zip around in a ship designed for its escaping ability. Hmm, well never heard that definition of a interceptor before ! Truth is it's one of the most dangerous ships around and perhaps that scares you ?
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.31 09:55:00 - [64] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss It is an abbreviation for Pilot Vs Pilot Combat Flier, a pod captain that chooses to focus their clone life on war directly against other pod captains, rather than say the safer plush toy market. Perhaps Pod vs. Pod pilot would be a better designation, as I have the feeling that you don't include those who combat ships flown by non-pod pilots in this category. Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss That has since spawned further slang such as Care Bear PvPer which combines the outward semblance of Pilot vs Pilot Combat Flier with a desire for maximum safety and minimum risk. Given a fixed goal, how do you handle risk mr. Bliss? Do you maximize your risk, you don't take measures for your safety? Sometimes I get the feeling that SF pilots consider this war some kind of sports event or perhaps game. Then SF pilots call out to other pilots to meet them on SF terms, but at the same time are happy and proud to stack the deck in their favor. You are either at war, or you are a cheating and unfair sports contestant mr. Bliss, what is it? Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss It is, however, a significantly safer way to battle than in something capable of exacting vengeance against an opponent on the level necessary to debilitate a foe or defend an installation. You are not alone in this choice of safety over effectiveness, indeed IÆm more likely in the minority on this one. Vengeance? How barbaric of you. My duty is to the empire, personal vendettas are irrelevant. Also, in my experience pilots that claim to fly 'unsafe' like you do, rarely actually fly unsafe. Safety, since when are smaller ships 'safer' then larger ships? If you are looking for pilots that practice safety, take a look at the SF Carrier fleets at docking range of stations. Everyone knows that smaller ships are more easily destroyed than larger ships. The only advantage smaller ships offer is that if they encounter vastly superior forces they are more easily able to disengage. What do your ships do in the face of vastly superior forces mr. Bliss? Do you fly your large ships knowingly into a vastly superior hostile fleet? I doubt that. You may not be a carebear, but I believe you are a 'sports pilot' mr. Bliss. You fly for sport, and having good match results matters to you more than any external goal. Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss But I made comment on this choice of style as it draws a parallel to your claims of Jericho's lack of will to commit deeply to the fight when you merely zip around in a ship designed for its escaping ability. Merdaneth laughs I've heard people call my Crusader many things, but it was never noted for its 'escaping ability'. Assault Inty is among those I especially like. My fit is specifically made to destroy hostiles, not escape them. I routinely engage and destroy frigates, interceptors, destroyers, interdictors, cruisers, hacs, recons, assault frigates, battlecruisers, stealth bombers, electronic attack frigates and covop vessels. There is no ship I am able to fly that allows me to engage and destroy such a wide range of ships. The Crusader is my workhorse ship: suited for defending installations, attacking installations, fleet operations, solo operations, tackling, scouting, interdiction, interception, operations behind enemy lines and general ship destruction. Unfortunately, due to the nature of my operations I tend to lose about one Crusader on each day I fly missions. That is why I fit my ships as cheaply as possible while trying to maintain optimal effectiveness. It is also why I don't make use of expensive implants. I know my duty often requires me to sacrifice my ship for the Empire. I take risks, just not unneccessary risks, and honestly, mr. Bliss, how would me engaging SF ships in Kamela benefit the Empire? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.07.31 11:51:00 - [65] Main reason why Star Fraction dont wants to join the miltia is not their independence but if they would field all experienced players to miltia around 10-20 pilots nobody would stay in Star Fraction and it would be dead empty. If SF would be an active aliance they would create an expeditionary corporation long time ago but they dont have people for that. Pushing on CSM to create posibility to add allliances to FW was just another poor and empty attempt so they dont need to reveal in what sorry situation they are. Bottom line is Star FRaction can resort only to hit and run tactics couse as one of the weakest alliances they lack the manpower. If they would have active more then 20% of their alliance they would engage militia fleets looong time ago.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.31 12:23:00 - [66] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 31/07/2009 12:23:18 Originally by: Nur AlHuda Main reason why Star Fraction dont wants to join the miltia is not their independence but if they would field all experienced players to miltia around 10-20 pilots nobody would stay in Star Fraction and it would be dead empty. Why exactly you believe you know better than Free Captains why Free Captains do what they choose escapes me. Or is this simply more poor propaganda from an increasingly beleaguered 24th Crusade? What you have stumbled upon is the fact that Star Fraction is an alliance of around a hundred pilots maximum - united by their belief in the radical freespace agenda and anti imperialist movement. Yes of course these pilots could all shift their allegience to a corporation within the TLF and wreak havoc on the 24th Crusade in the Bleaks and Devoid warzone but we would also be taking our collective heels off the Amarrian logistics and supply throat in Amarrian hisec. Quote: If SF would be an active aliance they would create an expeditionary corporation long time ago but they dont have people for that. We had people enough to annhilate 24th Crusade affiliate hisec research and production POS with nothing but our own roster thus indicating that no 24th Crusade corporations can count on protecting their facilties in Amarrian or Caldari hisec anywhere in the star cluster last night Nur AlHuda. This is something the TLF is generally unable to do due to the interference of Amarrian and Caldari police forces and local levies. Quote: Bottom line is Star FRaction can resort only to hit and run tactics couse as one of the weakest alliances they lack the manpower. If they would have active more then 20% of their alliance they would engage militia fleets looong time ago. Hit and run. Assassination. Special ops. Sabotage, psychological warfare, cunning traps and feints. Baits, hotdrops, unconventional tactics and straight-up slugfests. Thats the Star Fraction for you. Why would we wish to restrict our freedom of action and allow the 24th Crusade to hide safely in Amarrian hisec? We come for your mission-runners, your researchers, your industrialists, your ice-miners and your most cowardly supporters. While you are fighting in complexes with frigates we're burning your homes and demolishing your cathedrals back in Domain. You thought to reclaim space and enslave the minmatar? You aren't safe in your own backyard. Watch out! That shadow on the sun might be a Star Fraction raider come to kill your friends! 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.07.31 14:23:00 - [67] Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 31/07/2009 14:23:54 Originally by: Jade Constantine stuff Yet again you failed to provide any facts. All your posts are full of hatred and anyone can feel the desperate situation in what Star Fraction currently is. JC: We had people enough to annhilate 24th Crusade affiliate hisec research and production POS Where and when - proof that it was affilated corp. And you dont wreck havoc one miltia as you cant engage the fleet. Killing one member that is under war dec is not wreacking havoc. Especialy if the fleet has 30 members. Star Fraction are on of the most unimportant alliances in the eve star cluster - that is a public knowledge so your opinion about your impact is not valid.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.31 14:32:00 - [68] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 31/07/2009 14:32:37 Originally by: Nur AlHuda Yet again you failed to provide any facts. All your posts are full of hatred and anyone can feel the desperate situation in what Star Fraction currently is. You are quite the comedian. Quote: Where and when - proof that it was affilated corp. I'm sure you know. Quote: And you dont wreck havoc one miltia as you cant engage the fleet. Killing one member that is under war dec is not wreacking havoc. Especialy if the fleet has 30 members. I have personally commanded operations that have sent the entire 24th Crusade grand fleet to dock in hisec through fear of our intediction. You and I both know that is true. Hell, we've destroyed 24th Crusade fleets without even firing a shot. That really takes some moxy! Realistically Nur Alhuda. If we were at war with the entire 24th Crusade we'd be slaughtering you night after night in the most merciless fashion imaginable. You know it, we know it. That is why the corporations we do wardec are almost never supported by rank and file of the militia. They are left to die alone. That is your shame and the proof of the situation. Quote: Star Fraction are on of the most unimportant alliances in the eve star cluster - that is a public knowledge so your opinion about your impact is not valid. "public knowledge" amongst worthless dogs perhaps. But then I'm not in the habit of polling beaten mangy mutts for their opinions of space warfare! 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
Veshta Yoshida Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.31 15:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Jade Constantine Why exactly you believe you know better than Free Captains why Free Captains do what they choose escapes me... You invoke your religion of "freedom" more than even the most devout Amarrian invokes God. How much freedom do you really have when you have to lean on the crutch of dogma so heavily? Originally by: Jade Constantine We had people enough to annhilate 24th Crusade affiliate hisec research and production POS with nothing but our own roster thus indicating that no 24th Crusade corporations .. Blah blah blah. She is referring to a corporation that did as SF wanted and left 24th, leaving members who wanted to continue the good fight to their own devices. Proof positive that their much publicised campaign to force corporations away from the war is just another lie as submitting and actually leaving does absolutely nothing. I guess destroying property belonging to a neutral entity with NO TIES to the 24IC employing mainly non-combat pilots in high-security space is right up SF's alley. Wouldn't want to put any of those "free captains" at risk after all. Originally by: Jade Constantine Hit and run. Assassination. Special ops. Sabotage, psychological warfare, cunning traps and feints. Baits, hotdrops, unconventional tactics and straight-up slugfests. So pretty much acting out your dreams of being part of the rumoured elite death squads that Shakor has trawling Minmatar space to "silence" any dissenters. Taking pride and engaging in backstabbing and murder is thankfully something we faithful stopped generations ago, the ugliest of human behaviour. SF are nothing but self-important thugs (ie. pirates without honour), trust their word at your own peril.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.31 15:55:00 - [70] Originally by: Veshta Yoshida I guess destroying property belonging to a neutral entity with NO TIES to the 24IC employing mainly non-combat pilots in high-security space is right up SF's alley. Pimbeka Mining Corp was a long term member of the 24th Crusade hosting amongst other notables as Nephelim Xeno. They left the 24th Crusade last week as a result of sustained pressure from the SF wardec but elected to conduct no diplomacy and offered no concession on their exit. As a result we opted to send them on their way with a special send-off. Nephelim Xeno turned up to the reinforcement battle with a 24th Crusade logistics vessel and attempted to give support to his ex-corp mates without succcess. Pimbeka Mining Corp will remain -10 standings to the Star Fraction until they publicly renounce their support for the tyrant Jamyl Sarum and the corrupt 24th Crusade militia. They are on notice that any future overt engagement with 24th Crusade forces in the Bleaklands/Devoid warzone may lead to a resumption of formal wardec and additional military action from the Star Fraction. It is the height of foolishness for the dog Yeshta Yoshida to describe an organization that harboured remote repping of our enemies and direct military aggression against SF vessels as "neutral". Once they made their allegiences and violence clear they have been tagged as enemies. They will remain that way until they initiate diplomatic resolution of the matter and seek our counsel on how this can be achieved. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.31 16:09:00 - [71] Originally by: Veshta Yoshida I guess destroying property belonging to a neutral entity with NO TIES to the 24IC employing mainly non-combat pilots in high-security space is right up SF's alley. No ties, eh? Strange how certain 24th Imperial Crusade pilots appeared on the scene while we were laying waste the property of an entity that was a member of the 24th Imperial Crusade, and an active participant in its operations, when the existence of this property and plans for its destruction were laid down. No ties, eh? So no ties to the militia when members of that corporation voluntarily join the 24th Imperial Crusade to fight in its ranks while maintaining links to a corporation that was in the militia and, seemingly, only left to function as a logistical auxiliary outside the militia. No ties. This is what PIE, laughably, calls 'no ties'. But why should I be surprised? PIE has claimed that organisations set up by leading members of PIE have 'no ties' to them as well, it's par for the course really. Membership in the militia is merely one fact by which we can judge the activity of corporations and in who's support and favour that activity is operating. Support for the evil designs of the Amarr Empire is not limited to membership in its vile crusader miltia. Take this as a warning, if you wish, that no-one is going to avoid the consequences of their actions by mere legalistic and false-faced devices of changing the labels they happen to wear from one day to the next. These people did not renounce their support for the Amarr Empire and, indeed, put certain of their combat pilots to work within its government-controlled milita corps. These people were not neutrals to us. They had well-earned their hostile status. Why should we have halted our planned operations? They gave us no reason whatever to do so. They did not seek a diplomatic resolution at any time. They were enemies and supporters of enemies. Their assets were valid targets and we took the steps required to destroy them. But PIE say 'no ties' because a label changes. This I will remember. I fancy others will too. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.31 16:17:00 - [72] Originally by: Veshta Yoshida You invoke your religion of "freedom" more than even the most devout Amarrian invokes God. How much freedom do you really have when you have to lean on the crutch of dogma so heavily? A member of Star Fraction is oft referred to internally and externally as a FreeCaptain much as you are referred to Captain of the PIE Inc. organisation. Star Fraction is also not the only organisation to use this term for it's pilots. Would you care to enlighten us as to how you believe we need to cling to any dogma more than any other? That were are driven by our ideals is true of course and is something we would never be ashamed about. That you think that holding close to one's ideals and beliefs is a bad thing speaks more about you than your attempts are character portrayal speaks about us. Originally by: Veshta Yoshida She is referring to a corporation that did as SF wanted and left 24th, leaving members who wanted to continue the good fight to their own devices. Proof positive that their much publicised campaign to force corporations away from the war is just another lie as submitting and actually leaving does absolutely nothing. I guess destroying property belonging to a neutral entity with NO TIES to the 24IC employing mainly non-combat pilots in high-security space is right up SF's alley. Wouldn't want to put any of those "free captains" at risk after all. I'll be quite honest I barely know where to start with this block of text. You honestly think that because an organisation removes itself from the militia it proves conclusively it no longer supports that Militia? The aforementioned corporation did indeed leave the Amarrian militia. To date no communication anywhere we have seen shows that their ideals or goals have changed. They have no declared they no longer support the crusaders of the 24th Imperial Crusade. They have not signaled any intention to be anything but a friend to the Imperial Militia. This is especially apparent when you look at the fact that when they were under attack by our members after leaving the crusade that a number of Amarr Militia pilots went to help them. That they maintain friendships with past comrades is of no surprise. I would expect nothing less of any decent human being that he still calls a brother brother but this bites both ways. Without a formal declaration of cessation of support for the Milita how can you expect us to discern whether their motivations have changed or not? Are we now expected to be able to determine the wishes of an enemy by the words he doesn't speak? Yoshida you seem to give us too much credit here. Originally by: Veshta Yoshida So pretty much acting out your dreams of being part of the rumoured elite death squads that Shakor has trawling Minmatar space to "silence" any dissenters. Our dreams, Yoshida, have nothing to do with Shakor or any fairytale Amarr pilots have created to scare their children. The last thing we want is to hear silence as we travel. We want to hear screams. Screams of Victory. Screams of Freedom. Screams of passion enacted. Screams of wishes come true. Screams of the free peoples of the cluster throwing aside their chains and embracing their future as only a free man can. Originally by: Veshta Yoshida Taking pride and engaging in backstabbing and murder is thankfully something we faithful stopped generations ago, the ugliest of human behaviour. The only way I will be stabbing you in the back Yoshida is if you are running away when I decide to do so. As to the "faithful" having stopped "ugly" human behaviors... well I don't believe I need to even bother going into this. I am sure an Ushra'Khan pilot will be along shortly to explain to you the ugliness of slavery. Originally by: Veshta Yoshida SF are nothing but self-important thugs (ie. pirates without honour), trust their word at your own peril. What we say we do. Call us pirates, call us thugs. Frankly we don't care what you think. Heartstone. ---
lucifers widow	Posted - 2009.07.31 19:25:00 - [73] Originally by: Heartstone Frankly we don't care what you think. Heartstone. With this and the two posts above I beg to differ, seems you lot DO care what people think !
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.31 19:28:00 - [74] Originally by: lucifers widow With this and the two posts above I beg to differ, seems you lot DO care what people think ! We care what people think. We don't care what dogs think. 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
lucifers widow	Posted - 2009.07.31 19:42:00 - [75] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: lucifers widow With this and the two posts above I beg to differ, seems you lot DO care what people think ! We care what people think. We don't care what dogs think. I bet that sounded better in you're head.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.31 19:55:00 - [76] Actually it sounded pretty much the same. And more to the point its entirely accurate. Why would we care what cowards and dogs think? 3rd Forces in FW - discuss!
lucifers widow	Posted - 2009.07.31 20:44:00 - [77] I wasn't aware we we're talking about the Minmatar's, but even then I wouldn't call them cowards and dogs if I we're you, just call them what you usually do, a Meatshield.
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.07.31 22:18:00 - [78] "coward" and "dog" seem to be the only two insults pilot Constantine bothers with nowadays. mind you, I've always been mildly confused as to why "dog" is supposed to be insulting. After all, dogs are loyal, honest, friendly and dependable. There's more virtue in a dog than vice, I'd have said. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.07.31 22:40:00 - [79] because a man is a man, or rather should be. To act like a craven who licks boots and begs for scraps may be fine fare for lower forms of life (and even cute with those large puppy-dog eyes) but it is no way for a person to be.
lucifers widow	Posted - 2009.08.01 06:49:00 - [80] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss because a man is a man, or rather should be. To act like a craven who licks boots and begs for scraps may be fine fare for lower forms of life (and even cute with those large puppy-dog eyes) but it is no way for a person to be. Quiet dog, wait for you're (puppet)master to speak !
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.01 13:15:00 - [81] Originally by: lucifers widow Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss because a man is a man, or rather should be. To act like a craven who licks boots and begs for scraps may be fine fare for lower forms of life (and even cute with those large puppy-dog eyes) but it is no way for a person to be. Quiet dog, wait for you're (puppet)master to speak ! really? You thought you had the reputation to pull that line off?
lucifers widow	Posted - 2009.08.01 14:16:00 - [82] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss really? You thought you had the reputation to pull that line off? Oh dear, you actually worship them don't you, how pitiful to let oneself to be enslaved like that especially when one has a choice ! Least you not got a lot of competition to get a little pat on the head or a treat for being a good little follower.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.01 15:54:00 - [83] Originally by: lucifers widow Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss really? You thought you had the reputation to pull that line off? Oh dear, you actually worship them don't you, how pitiful to let oneself to be enslaved like that especially when one has a choice ! Least you not got a lot of competition to get a little pat on the head or a treat for being a good little follower. look, you are some unknown who doesn't even fly in the battle; share your opinion (though it is always hostile vomit) but don't threaten. You look like an idiot when you make a threat to me and can't, ever, follow up on it. You don't have the rep to do it, you don't have the ability to enforce it, you have nothing but these burning posts. Walk a little more tentatively if you are just going to be an ALTernate identity playing at being a pundit. Offer cogent responses and logical rejoinders, or keep spewing and looking stupid. it is your call.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.02 11:37:00 - [84] Originally by: Stitcher "coward" and "dog" seem to be the only two insults pilot Constantine bothers with nowadays. mind you, I've always been mildly confused as to why "dog" is supposed to be insulting. After all, dogs are loyal, honest, friendly and dependable. There's more virtue in a dog than vice, I'd have said. I think "dog" sums up the Amarrian loyalists quite nicely. They do have some admirable (if a little misguided) traits, however if you wish to understand the power of this remark simply ask yourself; "Do I wish to live as a dog, or as a Man?".
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.08.02 21:51:00 - [85] Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Stitcher "coward" and "dog" seem to be the only two insults pilot Constantine bothers with nowadays. mind you, I've always been mildly confused as to why "dog" is supposed to be insulting. After all, dogs are loyal, honest, friendly and dependable. There's more virtue in a dog than vice, I'd have said. I think "dog" sums up the Amarrian loyalists quite nicely. They do have some admirable (if a little misguided) traits, however if you wish to understand the power of this remark simply ask yourself; "Do I wish to live as a dog, or as a Man?". I think you may be getting a bit too literal in your interpretation of the insult. But other than that it is a fair statement. Even the aspects of a dog that other races see as negative values are considered positive values in the Empire. So the insult really carries little weight and in fact can be considered a compliment. Calling a loyal servant of the Empire a dog because we are subservient to our masters is like me trying to insult you by calling you a bird because birds are free. So the question then becomes would you rather live like a dog or a bird? Some opt for a dog's life some opt for a bird's life... and then they try to wipe each other out for some reason. Wait... what's this thread about?
The Yzzerman Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2009.08.02 22:53:00 - [86] I just ahve to say latley amarr fleets tend to lose, so battlestar crusader get your act toghter... Over and out
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:39:00 - [87] Edited by: BattleStar Crusader on 03/08/2009 12:42:16
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers Consortium	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:42:00 - [88] I am no longer the commander of the fleets.
Davlos Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.03 12:49:00 - [89] Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Stitcher "coward" and "dog" seem to be the only two insults pilot Constantine bothers with nowadays. mind you, I've always been mildly confused as to why "dog" is supposed to be insulting. After all, dogs are loyal, honest, friendly and dependable. There's more virtue in a dog than vice, I'd have said. I think "dog" sums up the Amarrian loyalists quite nicely. They do have some admirable (if a little misguided) traits, however if you wish to understand the power of this remark simply ask yourself; "Do I wish to live as a dog, or as a Man?". "Man"? Aren't you supposed to be defining yourselves as "Superindependent morally unambiguous Overmen"? --- Originally by: Revan Neferis Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.03 13:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Davlos "Man"? Aren't you supposed to be defining yourselves as "Superindependent morally unambiguous Overmen"? I think the term your looking for is transhumanists. I should probably also mention that we do not intend to be any kind of 'Overmen', or masters. We seek to liberate the universe from such people.

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