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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
347
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Posted - 2012.05.30 01:28:00 -
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Look at it this way - you guys have not held your cards close to your chest. That's bad poker.
You have provided me with much amusement, with this line of apparently leaving the carebears alone in their nursery to grow up. In fact, this has doubtless been a valuable lesson for them.
Oh wait, no it hasn't, because someone's holding their hands. No doubt they, and you, feel big due to your little pact, and the nubs feel secure and all that, but you aren't doing them any favours. None at all.
Either way, we're out. I know when it is pointless to continue. Clearly we can't compete when the stronger picks on us for picking on the weak. I can't subject my guys to the horrible smacktalk you fellows attempted in local - how will they learn good smacktalk?
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive
Talocan United
283
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Posted - 2012.05.30 01:38:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Look at it this way - you guys have not held your cards close to your chest. That's bad poker.
You have provided me with much amusement, with this line of apparently leaving the carebears alone in their nursery to grow up. In fact, this has doubtless been a valuable lesson for them.
Oh wait, no it hasn't, because someone's holding their hands. No doubt they, and you, feel big due to your little pact, and the nubs feel secure and all that, but you aren't doing them any favours. None at all.
Either way, we're out. I know when it is pointless to continue. Clearly we can't compete when the stronger picks on us for picking on the weak. I can't subject my guys to the horrible smacktalk you fellows attempted in local - how will they learn good smacktalk?
I teach a class on gentlemanly smack if you're interested.
Costs about 350 if you're interested. |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.30 02:18:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Look at it this way - you guys have not held your cards close to your chest. That's bad poker.
I love how you're convinced of this. Continue on, though. |
Van Slyke
The Red Circle Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.30 02:55:00 -
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I showed up for a fight. Not our fault your bat phone was disconnected. Maybe it will turn out better next time. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
347
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Posted - 2012.05.30 03:48:00 -
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Can has hugs nao?
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion
Talocan United
403
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Posted - 2012.05.30 03:58:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Can has hugs nao?
I, too, desire these hugs of which you speak.
This thread has left me listless and generally questioning my direction in life. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
347
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Posted - 2012.05.30 04:57:00 -
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My advice, Nathan, is to move into the aforementioned wormhole, where hugs and rainbows exist in readily exploitable quantities. I cannot guarantee this will dispel your ennui, in which case, one must reconsider the aphorism "money can't buy you happiness" in a new light and consider that statement is perhaps false. Having come to this philosophical conundrum, you can then explore various other initiatives to provide you with self-actualisation and a sense of accmplishment; my favorite is violencing spaceships when hugs simplay are not enough.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1276
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Posted - 2012.05.30 09:19:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Look at it this way - you guys have not held your cards close to your chest. That's bad poker. I love how you're convinced of this. Continue on, though.
You know, a word of advice for your corp (though others in wormholes should listen in)
When you hire new members, make sure they have deleted the Full API key that they may have given to another corp as part of an attempted application. They can make an infinite number of new API keys so there's really no need to re-use them like this.
Back on topic:
I think the most important thing this thread has demonstrated unintentionally is you need not only blues, but blues who you share a common ideology with. I tend to think a lot of small groups (potentially OP) will blue because they simply don't want to aggress them, which in my mind is a poor blue. If you share a culture and ideals you're more likely to fight alongside one another better. Think modern CFC vs old Northern Coalition.
There's a reason we poke people with sticks and see who shows up; half assed and apathetic blues who are disorganized make a good target when you have to accept most pitched fights will leave you outnumbered. The actual "wormhole coalition" as it was known, was a good example of this; most corps were only in it to stop themselves being a target and had little interest in actually riding to the defense of others. When the bell was tolled, the results were an apathetic rabble who started to run as soon as the first ship hit armour.
I guess my tl;dr is - Blue people who you want to fight with; there's nothing saying you can't also have them as people you fight against.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Cybus Max
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.30 10:20:00 -
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I think the argument here is pointless it is one of the great dynamics of w-space that one week you could be fighting along one entity as brothers in arms and the next week your tearing chunks out of each other.
Very few grudges are held in w-space (some are) but most WH corps will happily do everything they can to kill you and then if you ask them for help next week be happy to come along.
If you need reinforcements to get a job done being it defending, invading whatever your going to call those reinforcements.
For instance take the recent fight between exhale and starbridge vs Last chancers, aharm, norcorp, pandora sphere, Artic light. Last chancers were invading inferno technologies WH so we went along to help them out/get a good fight. Last chancers had the static locked down so the only way for us to get in was to chain collapse a C6. So we borrowed starbridge's static and chianed for about 8 hrs to find the system. We then went in hot and heavy and killed a archon, 3 bill bhaal and some t3's. Last chancers then batphoned the alliances mentionned above and they brought a force in.... To cut a long story short we fought exhale and starbridge won. Once the fight was over there was no hating or whatever it was agreed between the two sides to allow the other to leave peacefully and everyone was happy (ish).
This shows that no bad feelings are held between parties and next time others will team up with each other because it is whats needed to get the job done. Everyone gets a good fight so whats the problem.
Now if you call in extra numbers just to create a large blob and to just crush all hope the other side has then this is wrong and most likely your allies won't come when you ask next time.. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
69
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Posted - 2012.05.30 11:17:00 -
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Most people in this thread do not seem to realize that having your home system sieged is not fun and if you are sieged you are not interested in good fights, you want to survive and repel the attackers by all means available. I guess the big corp guys have forgotten how it feels to lose your main/only base in w-space and all the assets. Regardless of how much or little ISK is lost, the tedious work in finding a new home and/or rebuildung your infrastructure is bad enough.
So please, don't complain when smaller corps are batphoning their friends when you attack their POS. Even if you bring only 10 guys; if your alliance has a few hundred, they'll assume that you will bring more numbers as soon as you aren't winning anymore, and usually their assumption will be correct.
Btw, I have participated in several invasions of small corps' systems and helped destroy everything they had. Sometimes I kept their members on my watchlist for a few weeks and some of them never came back. I do not feel very bad about it because they were failbears who thought they could get away with two guns and no hardeners on their POS, so I was but a tool to enforce Darwin's law. But I do realize it was not a fun experience for them ;)
Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers.
CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Chitsa Jason
High Intellion
Exhale.
122
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Posted - 2012.05.30 11:31:00 -
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The rage is strong in this thread :) |
Xanista
Skadi Imperium
0
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Posted - 2012.05.30 11:53:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:I think the most important thing this thread has demonstrated unintentionally is you need not only blues, but blues who you share a common ideology with.
Well, no, not really.
FAP (Friendly aggression pact), pretty much solves the need for blues and the whole turning up for an OP thing, plus it means more people to shoot at. No good corp wants to see another good corp die, because that's where alot of your good fights come from. You don't just let the guy giving you gud fitesGäó (Regardless of the outcome) die out, because at least when I was living in a C5, there were few enough alliances/corps to bring a fight anyway, and I can assume it's the same for many other classes. |
Magnum 0pus
The Red Circle Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.30 13:56:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote: ...because someone's holding their hands.
Now where exactly were they getting their hands held when they blew up your buddy's 2.2bil Legion?
http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=33546 |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
62
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:30:00 -
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The most important thing to remember when your wormhole takeover fails is to have a guys named PoopOnMe. This makes the video of said failure much more enjoyable. |
Cybus Max
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:49:00 -
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TBF if you had a fleet of poop on me's we would have been too busy laughing to kill anything :P |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
62
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:07:00 -
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Cybus Max wrote:TBF if you had a fleet of poop on me's we would have been too busy laughing to kill anything :P
Time for a new strategy!  |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1278
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:51:00 -
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Well, I keep wanting to make alts called "Anyone you feel like" to make calling targets hilarious, so I guess I'll need to work on that ahead of next time.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Omen Nihilo
The Red Circle Inc.
12
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:05:00 -
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Haha nice...
Sadly the name "Secondary" is already taken. :) |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
351
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Posted - 2012.05.31 01:37:00 -
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My favorite was a guy called Previous Primary.
As for that legion...it looks like EVE Uni shot it, not any one of the corps we had hassled in the wormhole. I don't see your logic here; 23 guys not in the corps who were based in the wormhole killed a dude who derped. That's hardly your nubs doing anything for themselves - was that the point being made?
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Dorn Val
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
38
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Posted - 2012.05.31 08:23:00 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Shoot ship first, shoot pod second and ask questions later.
I have never understood people who announce their prencence in Local, not to mention expecting others to do the same.
This. I just don't understand why anyone talks in local, and if you're in my system and not blue you're a target. Speaking of blues: Only a carebear would want to have a large list of blues, or non aggression pacts. PVP in W space or GTFO.
Just like there is no I in Team there is no Fair in Eve... |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1280
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:34:00 -
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Dorn Val wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Shoot ship first, shoot pod second and ask questions later.
I have never understood people who announce their prencence in Local, not to mention expecting others to do the same. This. I just don't understand why anyone talks in local
Skillful application of word can get results no matter where it takes place.
You can turn one kill into multiple, work out which toons are alts of whom, etc.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:10:00 -
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Joran Jackson wrote:I don't know how brilliant you think you are, but I will spell it out for you, that's the Eve University training w-system. Don't **** with them, they're providing a public service.
You want goodfights with any of those corps, come at us bro, I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say we love people to bring the fight.
But what you tried to do was bully a bunch of kids with lollipops, so please don't be butthurt if you get your hand smacked by stern parents. (And if you like structure grinding then I am :( )
If I didn't think it would enrage TEST, I would be camping Eve-university in NPC fountain, trying to murder them. Who cares. Public servants get killed all the time. Take Africa and Mexico for example.  |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
65
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:24:00 -
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Joran Jackson wrote:I don't know how brilliant you think you are, but I will spell it out for you, that's the Eve University training w-system. Don't **** with them, they're providing a public service.
You want goodfights with any of those corps, come at us bro, I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say we love people to bring the fight.
But what you tried to do was bully a bunch of kids with lollipops, so please don't be butthurt if you get your hand smacked by stern parents. (And if you like structure grinding then I am :( )
I agree with everything here, but calling them kids with lollipops is a bit rough lol |
Bel Amar
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
47
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Posted - 2012.05.31 21:05:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:I agree with everything here, but calling them kids with lollipops is a bit rough lol
I'm gonna disagree with it though. If you live in a wormhole, you're a target. That includes EVE Uni starter systems, it includes us, it even includes major nullsec alliances.
There is simply no way it's reasonable to expect that a bunch of badly defended POS's should be left alone because they're "new to wormholes" or something. If they want to stay there, the correct way to do it is as they did, they fight off their attackers, either by themselves or with allies.
We fought, we lost. Life goes on. I'm happy with the outcome, because I had fun. I hope that the "kids with lollipops" learnt something out of it.
But don't tell me that they should have been left alone in the first place because they're special snowflakes; that attitude simply doesn't belong in wormholes.
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Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
65
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Posted - 2012.05.31 22:34:00 -
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Bel Amar wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:I agree with everything here, but calling them kids with lollipops is a bit rough lol I'm gonna disagree with it though. If you live in a wormhole, you're a target. That includes EVE Uni starter systems, it includes us, it even includes major nullsec alliances. There is simply no way it's reasonable to expect that a bunch of badly defended POS's should be left alone because they're "new to wormholes" or something. If they want to stay there, the correct way to do it is as they did, they fight off their attackers, either by themselves or with allies. We fought, we lost. Life goes on. I'm happy with the outcome, because I had fun. I hope that the "kids with lollipops" learnt something out of it. But don't tell me that they should have been left alone in the first place because they're special snowflakes; that attitude simply doesn't belong in wormholes.
I should have specified that i agree with them saying to not be surprised when someone shows up to help. The second you enter wh space, you are a target.
Secondly, part of their training is to now realize they have **** pos defenses and fix it. If anything, they should thank you guys for this learning experience, and move on. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
361
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Posted - 2012.06.01 00:35:00 -
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My dudes report that they need to learn how to bubble a hisec properly with a sabre and effect a decloak on a covops. Fee for training them in this is 1 billion billion ISK, payable in long limbed roes.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Van Slyke
The Red Circle Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.01 03:14:00 -
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Will that fit in 1 freighter load? |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
361
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Posted - 2012.06.01 03:42:00 -
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According to my calculations, at 2500 a unit for the Long-limb roes, and 0.1m3, that would equate to 40,000m3 of cargo. So you can likely deliver it with a T2-rigged Occator or a Bustard.
Coincidentally, the long-limbed roe has a density of 4 times water, which means it is likely made from some form of metal. Not quite up to the dark-mater levels of reinforced metal scraps
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion
Talocan United
408
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Posted - 2012.06.01 03:53:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Coincidentally, the long-limbed roe has a density of 4 times water, which means it is likely made from some form of metal.
No wonder I keep picking filings out of my teeth, and my skin has turned a healthy shade of chrome. |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive
Talocan United
289
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Posted - 2012.06.01 04:43:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Coincidentally, the long-limbed roe has a density of 4 times water, which means it is likely made from some form of metal. No wonder I keep picking filings out of my teeth, and my skin has turned a healthy shade of chrome.
That's. So. METAAAAAAL. |
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