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Magnum 0pus
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:17:00 -
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As mentioned, Eve-Uni operates in that system with other peaceful corps in a philanthropic and altruistic project headed by an ex-unista.
Furthermore, TRECI, Sleeper Social Club, Kill it With Fire, Adhocracy Inc, and other wormhole corps have strong ties to the Uni and help them out frequently, be it guest lectures, wormhole practicals, apprenticeships, or defence. When we heard the system was being invaded we formed up to save their assets, and apart from one empty small tower, we did just that.
Honestly, the only reason it was a joint op anyway was because 2/3 of each corp are off playing Diablo 3 atm
But I digress...
So if Sudden Buggery wants to play the school bully and beat on 5-man alt and indy corps living in wormhole space, so be it. But when the school kid you beat up this time turns out to have a quarterback for an older brother and he kicks the crap out of you for it, don't whine about it in public, It draws attention to yourself.
And that isn't something you want right now...
p.s. I'm liking the new in-game killmails where we can see that said orca had ALL your stuff in it's corp hangar |
Rengas
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:38:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
tbh, i hate the batphone craze that has take over WH pvp.
generally all it does is lead to blobs and people pulling out of fights.
Complaining about blobs while fighting alongside the guys who brought a 150man fleet into a C5 hoping to get a good fight.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:47:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Durzel wrote:So how did Starbridge end up getting involved too then? Batphoned by you? Blue?
edit: Turns out loads of other corps were involved on the enemy side
starbridge lent us the use of their C6 so we could chain collapse for a specific C6 (since we have a C5 static). they were always part of our fleet and were in no way batphoned.
So they're blue then? |
Chitsa Jason
High Intellion
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:31:00 -
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Durzel wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Durzel wrote:So how did Starbridge end up getting involved too then? Batphoned by you? Blue?
edit: Turns out loads of other corps were involved on the enemy side
starbridge lent us the use of their C6 so we could chain collapse for a specific C6 (since we have a C5 static). they were always part of our fleet and were in no way batphoned. So they're blue then?
We only blue up for operations. This was a case of FAP |
Efraya
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:42:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:Durzel wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Durzel wrote:So how did Starbridge end up getting involved too then? Batphoned by you? Blue?
edit: Turns out loads of other corps were involved on the enemy side
starbridge lent us the use of their C6 so we could chain collapse for a specific C6 (since we have a C5 static). they were always part of our fleet and were in no way batphoned. So they're blue then? We only blue up for operations. This was a case of FAP
Bitches love FAP'ing, AMIRITE?
WSpace; Best space. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:28:00 -
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Joran Jackson wrote:I don't know how brilliant you think you are, but I will spell it out for you, that's the Eve University training w-system
Thanks for the free intel.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:45:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Joran Jackson wrote:I don't know how brilliant you think you are, but I will spell it out for you, that's the Eve University training w-system Thanks for the free intel.
you sound butt hurt, why don't you pick something your own size to bully???? |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1235
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:05:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Joran Jackson wrote:I don't know how brilliant you think you are, but I will spell it out for you, that's the Eve University training w-system Thanks for the free intel. you sound butt hurt, why don't you pick something your own size to bully????
Nope. Genuinely happy to have received intel on exactly the situation.
It's vaguely sarcastic because I suspect some people won't like knowing that Red Circle have let slip the location of a supposedly hidden asset (at least not before they're certain there's no one in there who can perpetually open the highsec) - even E-Uni members don't know the J-number (or at least, it was OPsec back in the day).
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:12:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Apolyon I wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Joran Jackson wrote:I don't know how brilliant you think you are, but I will spell it out for you, that's the Eve University training w-system Thanks for the free intel. you sound butt hurt, why don't you pick something your own size to bully???? Nope. Genuinely happy to have received intel on exactly the situation. It's vaguely sarcastic because I suspect some people won't like knowing that Red Circle have let slip the location of a supposedly hidden asset (at least not before they're certain there's no one in there who can perpetually open the highsec) - even E-Uni members don't know the J-number (or at least, it was OPsec back in the day).
It's not a super secret thing buddy, anyone with rudimentary access to Eve Uni knows that stuff.
What it shows is how little research you did into your target system. Go back to highsec griefing, its more your style. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion
Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:16:00 -
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[quote=Joran Jackson]...anyone with rudimentary access to Eve Uni knows that stuff./quote]
Don't even need that. I do a lot of my research through Eve-Kill.net |
Klarion Sythis
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:21:00 -
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That place has existed in many iterations over the years and has done a lot to get new groups into W-Space. At least now you know what kind of "homo" was going on and why a good fight wasn't the goal. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:45:00 -
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Christ are you all ever ******* mad and butthurt.
How dare we shoot anyone in wormholes without a triplicated fact-finding mission to check who they are!
Why don't you climb down off your high horses and let them know what they did to make themselves a target? Instead of handwringing about babies and lollypops. Things such as hardeners outside the shields? And all the other terrible setups that are in there.
You're all telling me if you find a bunch of alt corps owned by carebears in a WH somewhere ISK-printing with terrible setups you wouldn't go knocking on the door to find out what happens?
We are far from the only people who will shoot people carebearing in wormholes.
Quote:anyone with rudimentary access to Eve Uni knows that stuff
Clearly not. After posting in this thread I have already had an offer to be paid to let someone get a COVOPS in.
Whichever way you slice it, telling someone exactly who owns the assets (especially when attached to a polarizing group like E-Uni) and how and where to contact those to gain access in a public forum isn't that bright.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Laurra Dakan
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 18:26:00 -
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So uni members ganking one of your legions in there, and some being around in the system before you moved in didnt give you a hint. |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.05.29 18:32:00 -
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Something tells me this isn't over. |
Illipsys
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.05.29 18:35:00 -
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it's ok, we get it, you're still mad.
if you assume to be able to bash on anyones door without checking affiliations first, then moan about their friends who to come help, it makes you look silly. this is the only point we're reiterating and that which you claim WE are butthurt for.
as for intel, you must be joking :) or at least i sincerely hope so.
i can't vouch for the op itself, as i'm in the middle of exams, but i'm fairly certain the objective was to secure our buddies assets and ensure you guys didn't have a fun time, which, judging by your posts on this forum, you didn't.
OP SUCCESS.
change of topic: i agree, the blobfest with friends can be abit demoralizing, it's hard enough to find a good fight in w-space with decent frequency, but if it's an invasion, you better assume they'll bring everything out of the woodwork to save theirhome, right :) i don't play this game to let someone blow up all my stuff, just 'cus they want to fight on their terms. we invest alot of time into living the way we do, expect people to protect it. HOWEVER. batphoning 3:1 odds for random fights does seem pretty redundant and counter-intuitive to the whole nature of the niche we play in, win some, lose some. Live & learn.
Fly dangerous folks, hope to bump into you all again when i've more time to play.
o7 |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.05.29 19:44:00 -
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I love all of you equally.  |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:18:00 -
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Laurra Dakan wrote:So uni members ganking one of your legions in there, and some being around in the system before you moved in didnt give you a hint.
It gave me the following information:
- That E-Uni had, at some point, a fleet in the wormhole. Not to be confused with having a single asset in the WH tagged IVY in any way. Of course, we were wary to them coming back.
- I checked Eve-kill looking for any solid intel (I had before, but was looking for the link) on the hole beyond what information corps. Here's the page: http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=6293
Apart from a guy who'd not gotten enough sleep falling for bait, E-Uni weren't anywhere to be seen. None of the locals were involved (seemingly) with the legion loss.
Eventually a SSC proteus (scan fit) shows up then logs a while later. It's unknown whether this is in the WH or elsewhere - locators put him in unknown space, so, it's possible he's a forward insertion point.
This suggests someone from the E-Uni fleet gave out the fact all the POCO's and a couple of towers were reinforced. Still - why would you run with your tail between your legs at this point? The only logical option is to go ahead and see what happens. We add him to watchlists all the same.
Eventually you guys show up, IDK the exact circumstances of it since it wasn't in my TZ. We hang around long enough to work out
a) you're assisting the locals
b) aren't looking for a fight (you brought as many logi and ECM Tengu's as we had DPS ships)
So we bail with very light losses.
- CEO posts that WH coalitions just lead to blue balls on both sides, true generally IMO.
- You all chime in how we're nasty evil bullies for shooting carebears in wormholes, because of COURSE you all do a full 3 day analysis of any potential target to make sure they're able to field exactly equal numbers before engaging.
To wit the sole reason we attacked that particular WH last weekend (from a list of potential ops) was because we'd not broken a fleet of 15 for the past while, including dualboxing (diablo, sunshine, my GF in a bikini, people with patch issues) so it was either that or roll wormholes incessantly. The locals could have easily ganged up and caused an issue, in my estimation.
Now, you may well go "Waaa look at you evil bullies!" but I would point out to you:
a) We hire new players
b) At least a solid third, nearing 45% of people who went on the OP were players who started in 2012
c) Several (including a couple of losses incurred) have started playing since April, so about 2 months old.
Frankly I'm rather proud our new guys are out there causing trouble and mayhem (you should see my inbox of complaints when we teach new guys how to have fun) and not all huddled into a wormhole and wailing for people to come and help them when someone shows up to do something other then shoot sleepers.
I've no ******* clue why people decide new players are cute delicate kittens and need sheltering from all the harm in EvE when they can just as well get involved in the harsh parts of EvE from day one.
You've not experienced the true joy of being an Evil Mentor(TM) until you've held down some hapless carebear's pod whilst your 4 day old corp mates jumps over to whack it whilst cackling maniacally on comms.
Anyway, our MO is to shoot/reinforce **** and see what turns up. It's a proven method of getting fights. I'm not going to start EvEmailing them and asking permission to do it. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes nothing interesting happens at all, and othertimes you start a saga.
That's what makes it interesting. If I wanted a who's blue to who list and political horsecrap I'd go find it elsewhere.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Omen Nihilo
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:20:00 -
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The tears in this thread...  |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:24:00 -
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Omen Nihilo wrote:The tears in this thread...
There's a lot of chest-beating and self aggrandizement from your side (THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE!!!), but no tears from either side.
You may want to Google "tears"
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:40:00 -
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you should know full well when you pick on the weaks, the strongers might pick on you
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Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:44:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Talking in local is either a noob move from people who don't know better, or it's one of the Aquila guys (coughcoughMesscoughcough)  You just lost the privilege of "gf" in local bro
You guys know I love you. |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:46:00 -
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Cybus Max wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Talking in local is either a noob move from people who don't know better, or it's one of the Aquila guys (coughcoughMesscoughcough) For a diplo that wasn't very diplomatic :P
I am still learning the ropes  |
Klarion Sythis
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:57:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Cybus Max wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Talking in local is either a noob move from people who don't know better, or it's one of the Aquila guys (coughcoughMesscoughcough) For a diplo that wasn't very diplomatic :P I am still learning the ropes
Use lots of F-Bombs. People love it and it adds emphasis. |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:59:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Cybus Max wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Talking in local is either a noob move from people who don't know better, or it's one of the Aquila guys (coughcoughMesscoughcough) For a diplo that wasn't very diplomatic :P I am still learning the ropes Use lots of F-Bombs. People love it and it adds emphasis.
I have noted this ******* piece of advice and will proceed to ******* include it in all my ****** up posts and evemails. ****! |
Bel Amar
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:02:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:you should know full well when you pick on the weaks, the strongers might pick on you
Wait... What? People have allies, and can use them to help defend their assets in WH space? Who knew?
I think I might start a thread and ask around to see just how common this practice is... |
Omen Nihilo
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:06:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Omen Nihilo wrote:The tears in this thread... There's a lot of chest-beating and self aggrandizement from your side (THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE!!!), but no tears from either side.
"Your side" brought it up first: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1383349#post1383349
TBH this whole thing was a very minor incident, barely worth mentioning. But don't act surprised when you whine about a failed siege and subsequently the trolling starts up...
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Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:12:00 -
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It's as much about knowing where to find a fight as it is alliances to each other.
We were in the middle of removing some POS's from wh space over the weekend, and we were made aware that several wh corps were rolling their statics, trying to get in. This wasn't because they had ties to the corp we were evicting. It was because they were looking for a fight. This, at least in my opinion, is what seems to drive most of the major wh corps/alliances.
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Silverdaddy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:45:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:I wanna FAP. Where do I sign?
Starting a FAP requires initiative. I suggest you take matters into your own hands. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:58:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:you should know full well when you pick on the weaks, the strongers might pick on you
If you had read my post, or TF's post, you'll see that's exactly what we were expecting.
They were obviously either
a) Alt corps. Of which, some might have friends who have a clue or
b) Hapless carebears
If a) try to fight and have fun. If b) ... well you can hope for an SMA pinata I guess 
Last time we went and poked a small alt corp it turned out it belonged to Starbridge and all manner of fun ensued .. in the end we got little resistance and about 6bil in loot for a little effort.
But this time? OH HELL NO HOW DARE YOU! CHRIST! THEY'RE JUST BABIES! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Omen Nihilo wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Omen Nihilo wrote:The tears in this thread... There's a lot of chest-beating and self aggrandizement from your side (THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE!!!), but no tears from either side. "Your side" was the one that brought up the incident: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1383349#post1383349TBH this whole thing was a pretty minor, barely worth mentioning. But don't act surprised when you whine about a siege gone wrong and subsequently the trolling starts up...
Yeah, let's look at the whine.
Trinkets Friend wrote:Le shrug. It happens
Holy crap, look at them tears.
A dismissive shrug. We're done. Morale bust.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1276
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Posted - 2012.05.29 23:01:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:It's as much about knowing where to find a fight as it is alliances to each other.
We were in the middle of removing some POS's from wh space over the weekend, and we were made aware that several wh corps were rolling their statics, trying to get in. This wasn't because they had ties to the corp we were evicting. It was because they were looking for a fight. This, at least in my opinion, is what seems to drive most of the major wh corps/alliances.
Yeah.
WH Space is half the size of K-space yet holds just 8% of the population.
There's a lot of emptiness out there.
Though, I will say that the actual hunt is the whole reason I am there. It once took me nearly an hour to lead a Tengu into a trap, and christ was it a payoff when I was unloading autocannons into it.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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