Incarna showed that there is absolutely value in telling CCP that their assumptions are flawed and that they need to go back to the drawing-board to give us back parts of the UI that they wanted to remove. There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't maintain the old functionality in the new system, and there are plenty of reasons why dumping functionality is a bad thing that will cost you more than trying to keep it.

Second group are players who really resist change, have difficulties in adapting, and just aren't very good with computers. When you combine this with serious entitlement delusions, inability to express opinions in a mature manner and internet anonymity, a rage of shitpoasting ensues. Their concerns, however, are legit, CCP could have at least released some videos on how to use the new UI, implemented tool-tip help or whatever is normally done to help people adapt, standard change management.

Third group, a minority among the whiners, are people who reveal bugs and inconsistencies in the UI and report them back to CCP. Why these were not handled properly before release is beyond us all, probably has a lot to do with Jon Lander and Inferno being his first expansion, ie. hammering things through for personal/career/ego/position reasons. Some of these, you included/especially, are opinion leaders. Many people follow them, and form their opinions based on the example shown by respected community members.

You like arguing, don't you? "Bot programmers will fix the bots in a few days" is a fact.

Botters have a clear motivation to cause a shitstorm over this UI change. Unlike for us, the players, EVE really is broken for them.

For them, or us, this forum rage is ridiculous, inflammatory to our gaming experience and when it reaches a point where reasoning with whiners becomes impossible, resort to trolling.

Take care.

They did not "ignore" the feedback (I am aware that they actually ignored a Sisi feedback a bit-ácompletely).

So which promise was broken?

Btw. did anyone of you actually read the last devblog?

They did not "ignore" the feedback (I am aware that they actually ignored a Sisi feedback a bit). They know there are some usability issues and are trying to fix them. So which promise was broken?

i'm complaining about the process, what CCP have done here is almost identical to incarna as far as the process goes and yet you who appear to be intelligent enough to understand this refuses to acknowledge this fact? and not only that you tell people who are calling CCP out about this to basically HTFU?

Adapt or biomass...

can i has your stuffs?

Btw. did anyone of you actually read the last devblog?

They did not "ignore" the feedback

He can't figure out how to access it

It's the whole "calling out" part that I don't agree with. It's CCP's software, they have their reasons which don't really interest me that much, I'm just a customer and not a shareholder.

If I go to a restaurant and get ****** food, I don't start screaming in front of other customers about it. I might choose another restaurant next time, probably not if I like the place.

If there's a long queue in the market, I don't feel I have the right to start yelling at the stressed clerk about it. I might choose another market next time, or come at another time.

No, it's not. It's just blatant idiocy.
So stop doing it. You only reinforce the point.

GÇ£UnlikeGÇ¥? It's quite broken for us as well, you know GÇö the GÇ£unlike for usGÇ¥ part is that they will have their issues fixed in short order, unlike us who have to live with this awful mess. It doesn't particularly matter what other groups agree or why GÇö the simple fact remains that a fuckton of functionality was lost in the implementation of the new UI (and that's before counting the bugs and the performance issues).

GǪhence Gǣblatant idiocyGǥ. Here's why it's impossible to reason with them: because they're right and they know it. Reasoning with them is impossible because you're trying to convince them that the sky is pink-on-green polka-dot. You're arguing against reality. That doesn't make the people who are trying to GǣreasonGǥ with them trolls so much as late-term BSE victims.

Stick your head in a mulcher.

I just got of the phone with Hilmar and he said: "stop crying you man babies. we are looking into it".

Your subjective opinions aren't facts, no matter how many times you repeat them.

Your subjective opinions aren't facts, no matter how many times you repeat them.

No, they feel that they are right

In-game, I suppose?

Botters have a clear motivation to cause a shitstorm over this UI change. Unlike for us, the players, EVE really is broken for them. Their revenue-creating programs don't work, until their bots are fixed. These people undoubtedly masquerade here as butthurt players and aim to fuel the fire. They are not interested in CCP or playerbase, other than as a means of low-effort extra income.

Second group are players who really resist change, have difficulties in adapting, and just aren't very good with computers. When you combine this with serious entitlement delusions, inability to express opinions in a mature manner and internet anonymity, a rage of shitpoasting ensues. Their concerns, however, are legit, CCP could have at least released some videos on how to use the new UI, implemented tool-tip help or whatever is normally done to help people adapt, standard change management.

Third group, a minority among the whiners, are people who reveal bugs and inconsistencies in the UI and report them back to CCP. Why these were not handled properly before release is beyond us all, probably has a lot to do with Jon Lander and Inferno being his first expansion, ie. hammering things through for personal/career/ego/position reasons. Some of these, you included/especially, are opinion leaders. Many people follow them, and form their opinions based on the example shown by respected community members.

Fourth, and by far the largest group, are players who are indifferent to inventory interface changes or adapted to it at first sight. For them, or us, this forum rage is ridiculous, inflammatory to our gaming experience and when it reaches a point where reasoning with whiners becomes impossible, resort to trolling.

Your subjective opinions aren't facts, no matter how many times you repeat them.

My subjective opinion is that no functionality was lost, but much new functionality was added. What I used to do is easier now, and there's stuff I couldn't do with the old inventory. Is this a fact? Might feel like it, but "I like" does not result in anything objective.

that this release has been handled very poorly

that there are many unsatisfied people with the unified inventory

Another whiner who hasn't figured out "shift+click".

Another whiner who hasn't figured out "shift+click".

holy crap Fabulousli Obvious i had to read my own quote three times before i realised how badly written it was.. thank you

There you go. Much better.

The promise of an improved inventory management system. It will remain broken until the lost functionality is fully restored.

Also, the promise to listen to their customers. If they did, the UI wouldn't have been released before it was finished.

regardless of the UI and yours or mine feelings towards it, would you agree to the following three points?

that this release has been handled very poorly

that there are many people unsatisfied with the unified inventory

that putting an option in to enable people to use either UI would be a suitable compromise to solve the majority of the problems

remember being objective here (as i've attempted to be all through this thread)

so they didn't ignore the feedback.. except for the WEEKs of feedback from SiSi?

they either did or didn't. and the fact that they ignored that SiSi feedback, pushed a buggy feature live and only started listening to peoples complaints after this shitstorm started is not communicating with your playerbase in any meaningful way, combined with the fact that they're ignoring those people who are making reasoned arguments for making this optional instead and are trying to force people to play is definitely not good communication