Waaaaaaaaaaa whhaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnerrrrrr

It is. But by using a modding system, it could be the community's job. Yes, modding can lead to a mess, but there are plenty of examples of games that have done modding correctly, which have spawned things that are much, much better than developers had envisioned.

It may have taken CCP a bit of time to clue in, but they did, in step 7. I don't see that as wasted feedback. Delayed acceptance of feedback, sure, but not wasted.

The thing is, I don't trust either CCP or the community to make that work in a remotely sane way, and the default UI needs a whole bunch of options anyway.

It's wasted since it could have been done in step 3, rather than [ willfully | ignorantly ] creating steps 6 and 7. The entire issue brought up by this thread is that they kind of promised that this exact thing wouldn't happen againGǪ

GǪhence why people are so willing to bring out the big guns from the last time it happened.

You'd be surprised about what the community can do when it comes to UI and mods. WoW has a Lua-based GUI API and there's THOUSANDS of mods (apparently, I've never played). However, you can also make an API that uses a markup language instead, like mozlib or QT.

You'd be surprised about what the community can do when it comes to UI and mods. WoW has a Lua-based GUI API and there's THOUSANDS of mods (apparently, I've never played). However, you can also make an API that uses a markup language instead, like mozlib or QT.

also for anybody who hasn't the post linked in Jebediah MacAhab Dallocorts sig is well worth a read

i haven't played WoW in nearly three years now but some of the mods for UI over there are - for lack of a better word - amazing, and the advantage of a system like that is you can then proceed to steal all the best features and add them to your own default UI - which is exactly what they've done because all the bugs have been worked out of it by the people doing the modding for nothing other than love of the game it's already been tested and if a mod gets that popular it shows them that there's something missing that they should have

To the OP....suck it up buttercup

I think it's fine once you get used to it.
It's a quite fundamental part of the game they changed and I felt really clumsy the first few times, but then you get used to it.

I agree completely with you on the T2 manufacturing - there is simply no fun in it now. Since every T2 manufacturer is going through this pain production is inevitably going to fall. The obvious solution from our side as manufacturers is to take account of the coming T2 price rises and start speculating on the T2 market now, instead of wasting our time navigating menus. This will push up T2 prices even more of course, but the Shift-Clickers are obviously willing to pay higher prices.

If the prices of T2 ships were set not by the cost of their underlying components but by the number of clicks now required to build them, prices will be going through the rood. Up by an order of magnitude. And "shift-click will fix it" won't fix it. Shift-click is the final step in a process that also involves navigating through several levels of menus, window resizing, and high-precision scrollbarring, before you can even locate the place you need to shift-click on. All to do what you used to be able to do with one click. We're then dismissed as whiners by people who have to do this once or twice in a station, not realizing that the things they are shift-clicking on already required hundreds of clicks to manufacture and trade before the expansion.

The only thing I disagree with you on is making the new UI optional. It's the right idea, but they had to do that last year with CQ. From a corporate point of view CCP shareholders are going to be less than impressed with two years in a row where the new product forced the company to spend extra money on retro-fitting an optional roll-back. So while it's the right idea, its probably not going to happen this year (and will probably lead to sackings if it does).

Kasriel,

I know change is not something many players like. Hell I did a course on "human resistance to change" in my Human Resource Management major. But CCP did a very good job in trying to accommodate all players that want the old system back. They still can in fact. Sort of. Simply SHIFT+left click on a tree section (for instance your ship hanger, or items hanger) and it will create a new tab with just the items in that particular tree section. .

5 days later and still no fix. Nice to see them listening.

For those of us that have to do a LOT of inventory management in a typical play session, this new interface is a NIGHTMARE.

Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.

well as it's been two hours it seems that Hillmar and indeed any member of staff at CCP is either unable or unwilling to comment on the general clusterfuck that this patch has brought the foreground - for some at least - in public, perhaps privately? my email address is attached to this account, feel free to email me and we can discuss this privately, and hey if i leak it you can drop the banhammer on me can't you?

I'll wait to see how CCP jumps before I make any irrevocable decisions.

I am no programmer or developer myself, but please be aware that what you are asking for is likley going to be a huge undertaking as far as coding is concerned.

but it also needs to do the same thing twice. Should your proposal be implemented, that is.

What do you think will happen with the chance of errors between both versions? Do you also realize what the result will be should another additional add-on be added on top of this? It's almost as if a new game is being developed because it simply needs to take into account that information on how the inventory is stored is handled in a different manner in each preference.

I know change is not something many players like. Hell I did a course on "human resistance to change" in my Human Resource Management major. But CCP did a very good job in trying to accommodate all players that want the old system back. They still can in fact. Sort of. Simply SHIFT+left click on a tree section (for instance your ship hanger, or items hanger) and it will create a new tab with just the items in that particular tree section.

Now, of course CCP needs to make sure that the inventory screens that players create do not bug out (size changes back to default, or it needs to be manually opened again each time etc.) This is being worked on as we speak. But that's the best thing CCP can do. Adding the option like you suggest is not a good solution. It would make the game sluggish and more susceptive to errors.

you are still a vocal minority of the CCP player base as a whole.