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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat If you are the type that likes a challenge and wants to fight a difficult fight, or play a game for fun, stay in empire
i did and it was, and is, the easiest place to have good old disposable fun quickly.
I find myself agreeing with this OP 100% which i cannot say is the case for previous DHB posts:
dont even get me started on the stupidity of allowing even one titan to exist, let alone the numbers we see today, the eye-gouging boredom of POS warfare and etc RB rig BP sales Expensive Heron |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Frools
Originally by: DHB WildCat
Frools, like I said before I do respect your alliance, However I do think you have a personal dislike to me, you put your post in orange and even singed my name after all the ones in my threads.
Please leave my threads, or make your own and tell the players about your experiences, It will be good for them to hear another side of the story.
WildCat
OK I'll be totally serious for a second - if, as a member of a 0.0 alliance, you feel worthless in the grand scheme of things and you have a problem with that.... You change it. You make yourself important. Whether that's by offering to help during fleet ops, scouting for people, dropping cynos, scouting hostile systems, following enemy fleets... there's so many things you can do - and I mean, if you can't find something you really like in your current alliance, then you should probably try your luck somewhere else, or maybe solo, or back in empire, or whatever.
EVE has never been a game that caters to "lazy" gamers - if you don't put the effort in, you won't get any fun in return. If all of your gaming experience consists of is ratting to buy a ship, to join a CTA, to lose it to a DD, then, with respect, you're doing it wrong.
There's still hundreds of ways to find fun, both small and large scale (and to be quite frank, I enjoy the large scale stuff just as much as the small scale stuff even if I might get quad-dd'd), and saying this is not a game for PVPers is... well it's so far off the mark as to be laughable. There really are no comparisons to be made between EVE and ANY OTHER PVP-centric MMO around at the moment.
I guess the point of this post is to say that - if you don't put the effort in, you won't get anything back out - you make an issue of alliances having too many titans and the "leadership" the only ones playing the "real 0.0" game, but then you have to remember that they are the people who stepped up to lead, they're the ones that put their balls and the ships of possibly hundreds of people on the line, and they're the ones that got people to put the effort in to achieve their objectives and run their alliance.
- MaZ (yes frools quit long ago)
You managed to say much of what I was thinking, but so so much better then I.
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:03:00 -
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Funny Thread
The game has been that way since the Empyrean age; yet you seemed to quite enjoy it back in those days with BE, so whats changed?
Titans - fair point, CCP already said that they'll be changing (Nerfng) them. Blobs and fleet PVP - Same as always. Nanos gone...
Could it be that you are no longer practically immune zooming around in your faction fit nano, and are now getting blown up regularly that you don't like 'PVP' anymore?
Whats the real agenda behind the comments?
Vyktor
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:05:00 -
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There are crappy corps/alliances, like the one the OP describes, and there are good ones which aren't. If you're in the former, join one of the latter.
Next up: how to solve being thirsty with only a glass and some water.
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Sir Muffoon
Carried Hate
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:00:00 -
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Don't forget to whine about falcons.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Funny Thread
The game has been that way since the Empyrean age; yet you seemed to quite enjoy it back in those days with BE, so whats changed?
Titans - fair point, CCP already said that they'll be changing (Nerfng) them. Blobs and fleet PVP - Same as always. Nanos gone...
Could it be that you are no longer practically immune zooming around in your faction fit nano, and are now getting blown up regularly that you don't like 'PVP' anymore?
Whats the real agenda behind the comments?
Vyktor
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:28:00 -
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I generally agree with the Op. Most 0.0 Alliance life sucks in many ways and on many levels, but there are rewards both isk-wise and with new experiences.
People should try it anyway: get in, learn what they can, earn what they can then gtfo when the annoyance level gets too high.
I suppose my biggest gripe with 0.0 is game mechanics that pretty much cause a default to mega Alliances and napfests. But if you want a second job, if you like politics and egos then 0.0 is for you.
BTW, All things POS and Caps and especially Supercaps suck sucktastickal suckiness. Period.
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:35:00 -
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Welcome to the fold Wildcat, it took you longer than me but you reached the "disillusioned with 0.0" state in the end
I left null-sec for the exact reasons you describe; Excessive fleet sizes, endless POS-borefare, evading DD's every 5 jumps etc. Wouldn't have missed my time in null-sec though, seeing the a Dread-Powerball for the first time was a thrill as was capital fights .. but after a while it just got ordinary.
Joining the fight for the Empire gave me my first ever actual PvP experience, where my ability (or inability) to manage what resources I have decide the outcome. Still a ways to go before I am satisfied with my own performance but getting there. Imagine, after a year+ in 0.0 and I had no PvP experience. Shooting primaries or name-down while zoomed all the way out has more in common with Space Invaders than any contest of skill which is what PvP mwans to me.
To all the people professing their love for their current null-sec employment, take a look at how you spend your days/weeks. - How much 'action' do you see? - How many hours are spent waiting for said 'action'? - How big of a difference did your contribution make in said 'action'? If you are happy with what you answer yourself then you are all good. Personally couldn't stand the 15 minutes a day of 'action' in exchange for 5 the hours spent sitting on POS/Gate/Station idling ..
Hope you find your Eldorado like I did Wildcat, Eve can be awesome when you look forward to logging in every day
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:45:00 -
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What the original poster stated seems to be a common occurrence in any online gaming involving numerous people. Many years ago when I was active in EverQuest, some guilds did exactly what was mentioned: grouping with your own guild only, mandatory raid days / nights, and leadership gaining the best pieces of equipment first and foremost. While many guild continued to farm areas to equip their members, some of the cutting edge guilds kept pushing forward, expecting their members to go on their own time to gain lesser equipment. If you could not keep pace or real life issues took precedence, then you were not a team player. There were incidences where your account's information was a requirement to be a member - if you could not make the raid, then at least your character made it. Eventually, many players quit the guild, if not the game, due to the constant demands of a select few leaders. Until the game took a sharp decline over the past so many years (for other reasons too), one player's loss did not matter - for there were others ready to take the open spot, if not a power-leveled alternative character to fill the gap.
I've been asked over the years to join a corp, to leave the "safe" confines of the starter guild. Based on my past gaming experiences of trusting people for help only to get denied later, I've become quite jaded towards online people in general - nothing personal, just an overall feeling. Yes, I understand I am "missing" aspects of the game. And while I am no way denying others, I've become quite comfortable being a solo player (for the most part). I like the living aspect of the markets and of the universe. I enjoy reading about battles between alliances, learning about the latest scams, and watching the tournaments earnestly. But I do not want to be a cog in another person's wheel. Been there, done that, and have the scars too.
Thanks for reading.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:49:00 -
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i've got fingers in a lot of pies. i had an accident in the pie factory.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.03 20:27:00 -
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Is this a Wildcat whining threat? I kinda enjoy it.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 20:44:00 -
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I threw some SPAM out of this thread, it was getting old and smelled bad.
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Christina Bamar on 03/08/2009 21:05:48 Most of the OP is just symptoms of bad alliances. Most decent corps have some sense of family atmosphere and have some history together so that they don't treat each other like crap as described in the OP. People being jerks has nothing to do with 0.0, it's just that a certain percentage of the population is people you probably don't want to hang out with.
Onto the legitimate point of the OP though, the fundamental problem is that 0.0 sovereignty wars do not favor tactics and skill anywhere near as much as having massive numbers and isk. In typical roaming gang PvP you're better off with 20 good players rather than 30 mediocre players. On the flip side if you're doing POS warfare 300 mediocre players will almost always win out over 200 good players. Toss in the importance of isk reserves and you encourage people to NAP up anyone who's even remotely a threat to them because A) more numbers is always better, and B) losing your high ends hurts you badly in the long term. The net result is that most 0.0 entities strive entirely to minimize their risk rather than pursuing actual fun. You end up with a whole lot of PvPers sitting around in their shiny stations complaining about not having anyone to shoot and having to sit around shooting boring POS all day. That's something I've never understood, why do people feel that holding space is more important than enjoying the game? Go live in an NPC 0.0 region, blow stuff up, and avoid ever having to look at a POS or a blue again. I'm betting you'll end up having a lot more fun. Most 0.0 space holders are just lucky that there are still alliances and corporations like TRI, PL, Agony, etc who actively seek out fights and give you something to do all day, because honestly I think left to their own devices most 0.0 space holders would bore themselves right out of EVE.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:14:00 -
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1M ISK says that the OP was caused by DHB getting yelled at by Supertwinkey for plexing again while there was a planned alliance op.
c/d?
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DHB WildCat
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis 1M ISK says that the OP was caused by DHB getting yelled at by Supertwinkey for plexing again while there was a planned alliance op.
c/d?
lol cute, 2 points.
1) Dont you read the flames against me? I buy isk, I dont plex.
2) Everyone in tri knows, if they say capital ships Im out. Besides I think everyone is mistaking my post for a distaste against my corp, or alliance. If thats the precieved note you get from this post, reread it again.
Tri tries to engage outnumbered (most of the time), they try to have fun and force fights. They are one of the few that do. Very few blues and a will to fight, very nice.
Anyhow AGAIN the original post, was made to respond to over 50 people now that have personally eve mailed me about 0.0 pvp and getting started. I really wish I never made any videos btw. The op is my personal view on 95% of alliances out there. I've talked with many people from around the eve universe, many of which asking to join tri, and I asked them why they wanted to leave their current alliance.
If you read something else from the op, im sorry for your mistake, there is nothing more to it than that.
WildCat
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Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
Originally by: Malcanis 1M ISK says that the OP was caused by DHB getting yelled at by Supertwinkey for plexing again while there was a planned alliance op.
c/d?
lol cute, 2 points.
1) Dont you read the flames against me? I buy isk, I dont plex.
2) Everyone in tri knows, if they say capital ships Im out. Besides I think everyone is mistaking my post for a distaste against my corp, or alliance. If thats the precieved note you get from this post, reread it again.
Tri tries to engage outnumbered (most of the time), they try to have fun and force fights. They are one of the few that do. Very few blues and a will to fight, very nice.
Anyhow AGAIN the original post, was made to respond to over 50 people now that have personally eve mailed me about 0.0 pvp and getting started. I really wish I never made any videos btw. The op is my personal view on 95% of alliances out there. I've talked with many people from around the eve universe, many of which asking to join tri, and I asked them why they wanted to leave their current alliance.
If you read something else from the op, im sorry for your mistake, there is nothing more to it than that.
WildCat
So basically, what you're saying is CCP should try to prevent the badly conceived alliances from dying through the natural course of the game and instead, should artificially keep them alive as shooting people that belong to awful alliances with t1 fits that took them 2 weeks of ratting to sc**** together is your game
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DHB WildCat
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:48:00 -
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What?
WildCat
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Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:01:00 -
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Quote: Imagine you are ratting in order to buy a new ship and take that next step into comming closer to your goal of a battleship. Then an alliance fleet op is called out of the blue. Leaders demand you attend. Raise tax to 100% so you cant ignore it and continue doing what you want to. So you join the fleet in your t1 cruiser / Battlecruiser /or tier 1 battleship. You dont have rigs, and proper fit becasue the market in 0.0 is overly expensive and difficult to find the correct items.
Is what you said in your OP, and then they get DD'd so non-cap pilots such as yourself don't get to shoot them. They then leave 0.0 thinking it a waste of time so your opportunity to blow them up is gone forever.
What you're essentially saying is, people who fly ineffective ships in 0.0 soon learn the futility of what they're flying and leave - which is impacting on your gameplay, you want your sandbox filled with T1 noobs as it gives you something to do - that or you're saying that you don't fly cap ships, so those that do should not be allowed to interfere with your own play style.
To be honest, sounds like what you're looking for has been provided by CCP with factional warfare, I honestly suggest you give it a go before quitting the game entirely - no Titans in low-sec matey (except for ex-BoB ones obviously)
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:19:00 -
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Nice OP, I mostlly agree, but EVE never took much skills anyway. FPS or strategy game, or a sim, even arcade games take more skills than this thing when it comes to player killing (pvp is player versus player, not only player killing ;) and yes, blob vs. player is pvp too, even if awfull pvp).
Originally by: DHB WildCat However just remember that while CCP advertises a sandbox, It really is not.
About this, well, it's a sandbox: imagine you didn't have all these NAPs, all these kids which care too much about KB and stats, all these egomaniacs leading alliances and all that crapp going on, the 0.0 game would be much different. So yes, it's you, 0.0 player, who has made the game as crappy as it is.
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:36:00 -
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yeh this maybee true for people in terrible alliance (most nc) and in massive scale tower sov wars but not everyone in 0.0 does that. the day i stop enjoying myself in 0.0 is the day i leave, im in a good alliance and am enjoying helping build it up. to me 0.0 is what you make it. you shown that given the opertunity you can do cool stuff (and kill my zealot you bastard :P 100m pls:) the opertunity doesnt need to be isk driven just being in a place you enjoy with good fc's and a corp with an abition that suits you is enough. that said i remeber back in the day when i was a new in 0.0 titans were newish and exiting to face, i remember when dd's would crash constelations and 400 ppl in local was caod worthy. i rememer laughing for at least 10 minutes when goons lost that titan in r-6. all in all it was new to me and fun. after a while this wore off and my alliances incompitence began to show, as an fc i was annoyed at peoples idiocy and most of the things you mentioned became true. i truley hope the sov changes in the fall make things less grindy, and i hope this thread doesnt put people off, lowsec and highsec pvp are filled with issues of thier own: faction warfare lag, nuet rr, no traffic in lowsec etc. none of these pvp "options" - not that you can only do one - have the consiquesnces of 0.0 and in the end i think thats why we like it and why we stay, we like the epicness and conqurable space we enjoy the plex's and the reletive safety, comaradery etc
i will say one thing tho internetz spaceships iz srs bizz in 0.0 and its not for the part timer, i think in the end that may be the biggest turn off for who have that crazy rl thing.
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Pulivin Motic
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:04:00 -
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Im going to be honest, it depends on where you are in 0.0 I find that in the north or near empire space Solo pvp or small gang pvp is alive and well. I believe that CCP is working on making blobs a less viable tactic but Im not sure if thats official.
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti Edited by: Euriti on 03/08/2009 16:21:46 This isn't, in any way, related to OP being doomsdayed by goons. 8)
WildCat
Nice sig img. Needs more titans, though, it seems to be missing a few or 20.
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Pulivin Motic
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:16:00 -
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Also if your not having fun in an alliance corp I suggest leaving for a pirate corp, FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more fun.
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rubico1337
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:40:00 -
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this just in: PL are just goons that prefer the company of those of the masculine persuasion
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Phrixus Zephyr
MEK Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.08.04 00:57:00 -
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I got tired of saying this back then, but if you seriously think there is such a thing as a 'fair fight' and that crying about 'the blob' everytime you run into a gang bigger than yours will make FCs tell some of their pilots to go home to even numbers, then you're living in a dream world.
Can't make isk in 0.0? Then you're doing something seriously wrong.
You couldn't fit or afford your BS? Then you shouldn't have been flying it.
Terrible market in 0.0? Fill it, you'll make a killing.
Corp tax being set to 100%? Then your attendence is **** poor enough for directors to take it that far and you have none to blame but your fellow alliance mates.
Don't like the posibility of POS ops? Don't join territory holding alliances.
Don't like being called primary? Don't fly a pimped Nightmare into Stain.
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Sir Muffoon
Carried Hate
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Don't like being called primary? Don't fly a pimped Nightmare into Stain.
But he woulda killed 8 battleships and gotten out if it wasnt for those damn overpowered falcons.
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DHB WildCat
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Muffoon
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Don't like being called primary? Don't fly a pimped Nightmare into Stain.
But he woulda killed 8 battleships and gotten out if it wasnt for those damn overpowered falcons.
This is soooooooo true. CCP made them stronger not weaker after the patch 8P. But yeah, falcons are wayyyyyyy too strong and would love to see them gone from the game.
WildCat
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Pulivin Motic
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat
Originally by: Sir Muffoon
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Don't like being called primary? Don't fly a pimped Nightmare into Stain.
But he woulda killed 8 battleships and gotten out if it wasnt for those damn overpowered falcons.
This is soooooooo true. CCP made them stronger not weaker after the patch 8P. But yeah, falcons are wayyyyyyy too strong and would love to see them gone from the game.
WildCat
I think his comment was intended as jest and/or sarcasm
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Sinuous Grace
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:02:00 -
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Posting in orange must be the new cruise control for cool what a twonk
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NickSuccorso
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:17:00 -
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OP is a martyr for Eve's dysfunction. Thank you, OP. Blobs still ****in own, though.
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