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DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.03 15:45:00 - [1] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 03/08/2009 15:50:27 An eve chronical from a pvp'er of the past 4 years. Eve's biggest advertising saying, is that you can do anything in this game! The "sandbox" allows for players to do anything they can think of inside the game mechanics. To an extent, this is true. One can hack anothers account and steal there things. One can bring down the mightyest alliance Eve has ever seen with the push of one button. One can destroy 300 man fleets that had taken several hours to form up, get their intel, and logistics in place, and decide against the odds to engage a larger force, by pressing one button and destroying everything in under 20 seconds. Eve is a sandbox for the elite few. Titan pilots and their alts can engage any force with relative impunity. Alliance leaders can demand and tell their pilots what to do and where to be. The super rich can buy the best toys and fight insane odds. (I include myself in this) However what about the other 99% of eve's 0.0 population? This is their story from a third party perspective through the eyes of a pvp'er. Imagine you are ratting in order to buy a new ship and take that next step into comming closer to your goal of a battleship. Then an alliance fleet op is called out of the blue. Leaders demand you attend. Raise tax to 100% so you cant ignore it and continue doing what you want to. So you join the fleet in your t1 cruiser / Battlecruiser /or tier 1 battleship. You dont have rigs, and proper fit becasue the market in 0.0 is overly expensive and difficult to find the correct items. So you are now in a fleet. Your leader gang warps you to an enemy pos, where you incap modules until you are so bored you contemplate suiciding your ship and podding yourself. Finally!!!! the mods are down and the ordeal is over. So your fleet decides to go camp the enemy station. You outnumber you enemy, becasue lets face it, NOTHING in eve's 0.0 is done for fun, its done to win. After another hour or so of people smacking each other, a bait drake undocks. Your fleet is bubbled and a titan warps in to dd you. (or if you are playing against Pandemic Legion 24 Titans). Everyone in your fleets survives the dd with major armor damage except you. You die because, you couldnt rig your ship, or properly fit it, due to tax increase and poor markets. To make things worse you are now being ridiculed by your own gang mates for dieing. They tell you to leave fleet and quit. The same guys you dropped what you wanted to do to help them out. Welcome to 0.0 alliance life. Well screw alliance ops I'll just solo or small gang roam? Well there isnt much to say about this really. Remember that in 0.0 pvp, the smallest gang you fight will be 3 times your size. 0.0 pvp'ers do not fight for fun, they fight to win. They will not honor 1 vs 1's. they will not fight heads up, and some will even dd you denying their alliance members a fight even when outnumbering you. If you are a pvp'er I strongly suggest another game. If you are the type that likes a challenge and wants to fight a difficult fight, or play a game for fun, stay in empire or find another game. This game is only fun in 0.0 for 1% of its inhabitants. The other 99% are slaves to their alliance and get to miss out on what really could be a fun game. However just remember that while CCP advertises a sandbox, It really is not. WildCat I hope this helps those that have asked me about what 0.0 pvp is about. However do remember that this is just one mans opinion, and after fighting the super blobs of 0.0 pvp that requires any type of thinking or skill is no more in 0.0.
Arrs Grazznic Pawn Sauce	Posted - 2009.08.03 15:54:00 - [2] Originally by: DHB WildCat Imagine you are ratting in order to buy a new ship and take that next step into comming closer to your goal of a battleship. Then an alliance fleet op is called out of the blue. Leaders demand you attend. Raise tax to 100% so you cant ignore it and continue doing what you want to. So you join the fleet in your t1 cruiser / Battlecruiser /or tier 1 battleship. You dont have rigs, and proper fit becasue the market in 0.0 is overly expensive and difficult to find the correct items. If this is the case then you are in the wrong corp -- good corps will help out players and make sure they have the right tools for the job. But other than that, seems to ring some bells! Cheers, Arrs
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.08.03 15:55:00 - [3] You'll never get a job in marketing either.
Ira Astrum Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:01:00 - [4] Uhhh... Really? Sure I've died plenty in fleet ops because I was unable to setup a ship properly in time, and sure, callups can be a pain when you just want to rat. But you seem to forget that newer players aren't generally in a situation where they're likely to get DD'd 3 times a day, or just constantly blobbed. My 0.0 experience is generally pretty pleasant. Sure we have some issues with certain alliances, but I don't have any problem finding small-scale gang pvp. It seems to me as though you've become very very detached from what it's actually like to be a new(ish) payer. Not everyone is involved in the same things that Tri are ;)
DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Ira Astrum Uhhh... Really? Sure I've died plenty in fleet ops because I was unable to setup a ship properly in time, and sure, callups can be a pain when you just want to rat. But you seem to forget that newer players aren't generally in a situation where they're likely to get DD'd 3 times a day, or just constantly blobbed. My 0.0 experience is generally pretty pleasant. Sure we have some issues with certain alliances, but I don't have any problem finding small-scale gang pvp. It seems to me as though you've become very very detached from what it's actually like to be a new(ish) payer. Not everyone is involved in the same things that Tri are ;) True, I am not a "newish" player, which is where the part about the third party comes in if you read the post. However this is a post for the ones in empire, that have asked me about 0.0 pvp. Now to further elaborate I consider pvp, player vs player, not blob vs player (bvp) that most of 0.0 knows. I am going to assume that you are a member of the nc, I may be worng, but 0.0 pvp no longer exists. Truely if you dont believe me, then you doubt my experience. Of which you have the right to, but really? Im getting off topic, but please post your own examples, give everyone a rounded view of what you consider 0.0 pvp. WildCat
Hoody	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:08:00 - [6] The op got it pretty much right, been playing since 05 and was a lot more fun then without the capship blobs and pos's, used to be able to go out just about any time with just a couple of you in T1 frigs or cruisers and have a laugh nowadays you need something a lot more substantial and then spend hours being bored out of your skull pos bashing
DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:09:00 - [7] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 03/08/2009 16:15:02 Originally by: Arrs Grazznic Originally by: DHB WildCat Imagine you are ratting in order to buy a new ship and take that next step into comming closer to your goal of a battleship. Then an alliance fleet op is called out of the blue. Leaders demand you attend. Raise tax to 100% so you cant ignore it and continue doing what you want to. So you join the fleet in your t1 cruiser / Battlecruiser /or tier 1 battleship. You dont have rigs, and proper fit becasue the market in 0.0 is overly expensive and difficult to find the correct items. If this is the case then you are in the wrong corp -- good corps will help out players and make sure they have the right tools for the job. But other than that, seems to ring some bells! Cheers, Arrs Oh and to elaborate again, the corp I am in is supposed to be for 0.0 veterans only, so please dont think this is about my corp. It is a generalization of complaints I hear, post I see on killboards, and chat I read in gangs / fleets. WildCat
Ira Astrum Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:11:00 - [8] Oh, I'm agreeing with you for the most part mate, I really am! I'm just saying that a player as experienced and as far removed from 'noob' life as you seem to be may not be best qualified to comment on how the game is for first time pvpers I dislike the whole blob thing as much as the next guy. But smaller scale pvp is still very much alive in lowsec, faction warfare and in some of the smaller alliances. Of course that'll all change when the larger alliances get even more greedy and start OM NOM NOMing every small alliance out there. To recap, no offence intended mate, I'm just saying that maybe spending so much time around titans and blobs has detached you a little from rookie life and left you a bit jaded about the whole affair.
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:12:00 - [9] Bravo Comrade WildCat!! I salute your honesty and would encourage you to embrace your enlightenment by focusing your spirit upon the Revolution to liberate the downtrodden masses of Eve. If a Capitalist WarMonger like WildCat can have an awakening such as this.... anything is possible.
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:13:00 - [10] This isn't, in any way, related to OP being doomsdayed by goons. ______________________________________________

Cippalippus Primus The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:14:00 - [11] If that's life in 0.0 for you then you've been in bad alliances. Leave corp, join another one, and try to have fun! There is no need to be so sad about a videogame, after all. After all, you said, and I quote: Quote: If you are a pvp'er I strongly suggest another game. Well, that means that you aren't a PVPer, because you're still playing this game. But being a PVPer myself, I can tell you that this game is pretty good. Cheer up! This game can be fun even if you don't like PVP, Wildcat! -clp
Admiral Frools The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:14:00 - [12] "Bawwwwwwwww blobs Bawwwwwwwwwww titans Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwww solo pvp (with a falcon) is the only skilful way to play this game Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwww" In general, BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:20:00 - [13] If your alliance is like the one described in the op its time to find a new alliance.
Trustworthy Joe	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Admiral Frools "Bawwwwwwwww blobs Bawwwwwwwwwww titans Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwww solo pvp (with a falcon) is the only skilful way to play this game Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwww" In general, BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW what a frool you are. DHB, well done article. however, i do think there is room for small gang warefare in 0.0, it just needs to be fast and nimble to outrun the larger slower gang _______________________ with a name as trustworthy as mine, i cant POSSIBLY be an alt Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails <-- this is your brain on boosters
DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Ira Astrum I dislike the whole blob thing as much as the next guy. But smaller scale pvp is still very much alive in lowsec, faction warfare and in some of the smaller alliances. You are right brother, However it was meant for only a 0.0 look into things. But low sec and factional warfare is fun from what I hear. To pl, I know you dont like me, I have never been killed in a doomsday, and I will no longer argue with you, Im beyond that. You are a respectable force, because of your size and number of titans. I have never been apart of the super blob, such as pl has, so those that have asked me to make a post like the original, ask them about the "other" side of 0.0 enagements. Like I said in a 7 to 1 odds fight I have only ever been on the 1 side. I cannot tell you if outnumbering your opponent is fun. I can only say I wouldnt think so. WildCat
Sunsets The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:24:00 - [16]
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:27:00 - [17] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Ira Astrum I dislike the whole blob thing as much as the next guy. But smaller scale pvp is still very much alive in lowsec, faction warfare and in some of the smaller alliances. You are right brother, However it was meant for only a 0.0 look into things. But low sec and factional warfare is fun from what I hear. To pl, I know you dont like me, I have never been killed in a doomsday, and I will no longer argue with you, Im beyond that. You are a respectable force, because of your size and number of titans. I have never been apart of the super blob, such as pl has, so those that have asked me to make a post like the original, ask them about the "other" side of 0.0 enagements. Like I said in a 7 to 1 odds fight I have only ever been on the 1 side. I cannot tell you if outnumbering your opponent is fun. I can only say I wouldnt think so. WildCat Your idea of 'PvP' is throwing 5 billion ISK (terribly fit) ships at 30 people then justify yourself through killboard comments proclaiming how 'blobs' and 'napfests' are unfair and then adding a note saying that there's supposed to be more blobbing NC/goons on the killmail. 8) WildCat ______________________________________________
Admiral Frools The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:30:00 - [18] Originally by: DHB WildCat You are right brother, However it was meant for only a 0.0 look into things. But low sec and factional warfare is fun from what I hear. To pl, I know you dont like me, I have never been killed in a doomsday, and I will no longer argue with you, Im beyond that. You are a respectable force, because of your size and number of titans. I have never been apart of the super blob, such as pl has, so those that have asked me to make a post like the original, ask them about the "other" side of 0.0 enagements. Like I said in a 7 to 1 odds fight I have only ever been on the 1 side. I cannot tell you if outnumbering your opponent is fun. I can only say I wouldnt think so. WildCat Thanks for this, you sure show you're the right person to make assessments about 0.0 warfare when you make comments about PL being on the 7:1 side, good job. Ugh I mean seriously, anyone who makes arguments for or against 0.0 because of numbers is clinically ******ed, but then when your entire idea of PVP in a "sandbox game" is to throw 5b nightmares at 30 people and then cry about them blobbing you when you die, it's not very surprising.
Stupid' Jerk Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:30:00 - [19] Edited by: Stupid'' Jerk on 03/08/2009 16:34:17 lawds is that some DHB Bittercat drivel 8) Bittercat edit: made it orange and signed my post
DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:32:00 - [20] If there is a mod here can someone please clean up the personal attacks, to me, and from me so that the thread will not be locked. I posted this as a hopefully helpful guide to many people that convo me everyday about if they should take the leap to 0.0. I am personally asking Pandemic Legion to please not make this a personal issue between me and you. Please do not get this thread locked. Please have some respect for me, by posting constructive comments or leaving my posts alone. Thank you, WildCat

Admiral Frools The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:36:00 - [21] Originally by: DHB WildCat If there is a mod here can someone please clean up the personal attacks, to me, and from me so that the thread will not be locked. I posted this as a hopefully helpful guide to many people that convo me everyday about if they should take the leap to 0.0. I am personally asking Pandemic Legion to please not make this a personal issue between me and you. Please do not get this thread locked. Please have some respect for me, by posting constructive comments or leaving my posts alone. Thank you, WildCat This has nothing to do with a personal issue, if someone in PL had posted this I would be making the exact same comments. Your view on the workings of 0.0 and 0.0 PVP in particular is limited to some perfect vision of what you WANT it to be, not what it ACTUALLY IS INGAME, and the fact that you think you're qualified to make posts about "WHAT PVP IN A 0.0 ALLIANCE IS ABOUT" is hilarious. WildCat
Cippalippus Primus The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:37:00 - [22] What personal attacks? We are trying to help you. If your alliance behaves like that, it's time to change man! And I am sure that Sc0rched Earth or similarly minded alliances will gladly take you, not everybody loves to PVP, and by your own admission, you don't! -clp
Admiral Frools The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:38:00 - [23] But please, continue to baww about the workings of the game when people who actually want to succeed will be out there trying to find ways to succeed rather than crying about the fact that the game doesn't meet their limited expectations about "What PVP should be like in a PVP game".
Captain Thunk Sniggerdly	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:38:00 - [24] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 03/08/2009 15:50:27 Imagine you are ratting in order to buy a new ship and take that next step into comming closer to your goal of a battleship. Then an alliance fleet op is called out of the blue. Leaders demand you attend. Raise tax to 100% so you cant ignore it and continue doing what you want to. So you join the fleet in your t1 cruiser / Battlecruiser /or tier 1 battleship. You dont have rigs, and proper fit becasue the market in 0.0 is overly expensive and difficult to find the correct items. Not only are these classic signs of an awful alliance, they bear absolutely no relation to you or your own alliance. Pretending to be looking out for the little guys to garner public support while actually pursuing a much more personal agenda hasn't worked since the privateer nerf. Then there's the fact, that if Goons had mucked up their DD on your fleet we wouldn't be reading this thread, instead we'd be reading about how Triumvirate. Mk MMCXIII is an awesome powerhouse of PvP achieving levels of skill previously unheard of. It's crappy whine threads like this that brought titans into the game, much like CCP managed to solve high-sec miners problems of watching their hard earned work being stolen infront of them, after much public pressure, by giving these people the means to not only lose their ore, but lose their ship while they're at it. All this aside, it's very difficult to take anyone seriously while they still think posting in orange makes them look cool.
Afterburner1 Ghost Runners	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:40:00 - [25] I, too, loose **** fit ships and spam comments in hope noone will think about mocking it. I'm terrible and I wished 0.0 was easier. 8) WildCat
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:40:00 - [26] I'm suprised DHBFoofighter hasn't biomassed your character for you yet 8) -------------------------------------- Dance Puppets, Dance
Nikita Alterana Gallente Clearly Compensating	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:40:00 - [27] I've been in small alliances, mucked it out in Stain, been in Kia, Atlas, and Executive Outcomes before, and every time I venture into a larger alliance, something vaguely along these lines happens. Its not fun, its just blob vs. blob, you don't matter, you don't make any difference, you don't change the fight in the slightest, no one cares if you live or die. In 0.0 warfare, you don't matter. Its more fun to stay in empire and do lowsec or prov runs, or to wardec people, or to go to factional warfare, or to do anything other then what you do in 0.0 0.0 is a game for the leaders, its fun for them, everyone else is just a pawn on their chessboard. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions!
Pj Harvey Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:42:00 - [28] it seems you're having trouble adapting to the evolution of pvp in eve online 8) perhaps you should try some new things instead of complaining all the time 8) Wildcat
joefishy The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:42:00 - [29] i can post in orange !!! :)
Ira Theos	Posted - 2009.08.03 16:42:00 - [30] Ah, but Comrade Wildcat.... Do you not realize that when you question the Capital Hegemonist Order of Things, you are going to run afoul of their sense of entitlement?? Your newfound sense of Collective Justice is rubbing their rhubarb the wrong way...



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