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Cikness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:00:00 -
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The name says it all. I have been focusing on Caldari ships. I am at about 3.5 Mil SP. I only have one level 5 skill.
On the boards and in Alliance chat, people run down Drakes and Caldari ships in general. I figure I need to change. I want to focus on one race so I can get higher level ships quickly.
I want to be able to run L4's, Rat in 0.0 and be useful in gang and fleet PVP. I am particularly interested in a sniper HAC.
I am thinking Gallante, but I would love to see what you all think and why.
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Ivan Malat
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cikness The name says it all. I have been focusing on Caldari ships. I am at about 3.5 Mil SP. I only have one level 5 skill.
On the boards and in Alliance chat, people run down Drakes and Caldari ships in general. I figure I need to change. I want to focus on one race so I can get higher level ships quickly.
I want to be able to run L4's, Rat in 0.0 and be useful in gang and fleet PVP. I am particularly interested in a sniper HAC.
I am thinking Gallante, but I would love to see what you all think and why.
I'd choose Amarr, they have very high dps and can field solid tanks for pvp and pve. Zealot is a great HAC for sniping and the Amarr recons are also great for gang support.
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Cikness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:11:00 -
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Aren't lasers fairly short range?
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:19:00 -
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If your alliance mates are running down the PVP Drake, they're stupid and living in a non-existent past - simple as that. Caldari, as a whole, has alot to offer any competent gang/fleet. My advice is to stay Caldari and find a decent alliance/corp. It simply doesn't pay to crosstrain early - attain mastery of what you have and then crosstrain.
Remember: the only way you're going to compete with 'pros' is through good player skill and extreme character specialization... and you can't do that cross training every few months because some nubcake incorrectly tells you that your ship sucks!
However, if you're looking for a change and simply don't like what you're doing, you should consider Amarr right now. Lasers are wtfpwn, and the Zealot doesn't even require any drone skills of you. It's simply the least skill intensive HAC there is (The Beagle 'requires' the falloff skill and the cap consumption skill, while the Zealot simply requires the cap consumption skill).
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Snow Banshee
Amarr Ruatha Holding
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Snow Banshee on 04/08/2009 05:34:34 my 2 cents: Caldari are without doubt the king race for pve. for pvp is not that easy to do as with other races, but things have changed in last years and caldari now have some good options.
You want a sniper hac? Eagle ( caldar hac, moa hull) is exactly that, mayve the best sniper hac in game.
other valid pvp options: rock ( caldari bs, tier 3) is excellent in fleets shield buffered torp raven ( small gang engagements) ecm ships ( scorpion or t2 ships, very usegull in gangs) drake( bc), crow ( interceptor).
Caldari is a good race, they had in past some problems in "solo pvp" department, but things are much better in last years. Imho at your stage its not worth to crosstrain. You have a lot of valid option sticking your race.
If you like hacs yo ahve already what you search: eagle: sniper hac cerberus: goos pve ( and usefull also in pvp.. exactly like the drake)
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:59:00 -
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Check these writeups out http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Amarr_ships http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Gallente_ships http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Minmatar_ships
run L4's: Gall everywhere (domi + drones), Amarr and Min more limited to their respective regions cos of damage types. Rat in 0.0: Gall everywhere (domi + drones), Amarr and Min more limited to certain types of rats cos of damage types. useful in small gang PVP: All 3 useful in fleet: Amarr BS then Gall/Min sniper HAC: Amarr (Zealot), Min (Muninn), Gall has none
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
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Posted - 2009.08.04 06:04:00 -
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raven is great for bait so is drake if anyone falls for that and scorp is amazing for gang so is falcon so is rook to a degree cerb's pretty good
Triumvirate has had some success in battles with all-drake fleets, so dont downplay drakes in pvp at all.
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Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:00:00 -
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If today I was forced to be one race it would be Amarr. They currently have the best selection ships that work (or excel) in most situations.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:08:00 -
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Amarr probably, with caldari a very close second. Their only weakness is lack of good RR BS.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 04/08/2009 07:48:19 Caldari by far, as they give you the broadest options, both PvP and PvE.
For carebearing, Caldari can do it all. While people may argue about whether the Golem or Paladin is 0.0000001% better at doing missions, you can't go wrong with Caldari. The same goes for exploration, ratting, etc, the Caldari ship is always either the obvious best choice, or tied with the best choice. This ensures that you will always have a steady supply of income.
For PvP, Caldari are awesome in gangs. They have the best fleet battleship (Rokh), an awesome small gang gank battleship (Raven/CNR), the best fleet ewar (Rook/Falcon/Scorpion/Blackbird), a top-tier BC (Drake), awesome HACs, the best HIC, solid T2 frigates, etc. The only gang role Caldari don't have a top-tier option for is in RR battleship gangs, thanks to the absurd CPU requirements for remote shield reps. They also lack a bit in solo options, but honestly, the gang options are far more important.
But what about the alternatives?
Gallente just plain suck. They have a whole two ships (Dominix, Ishtar) that are worth training for (and only three if we count the massively overpriced Ishkur). Granted, these are pretty good ships, but they're mediocre in PvE (they can do it, but the low dps will hurt your ISK per hour) and useless in larger PvP fleets. This is just unacceptable for your only race, two ships isn't anywhere near good enough to justify the choice.
Minmatar are good in small-gang PvP, with awesome frigates/cruisers/BCs. On the bad side, they have terrible battleships and are poor at best in PvE (PvE is so easy that they can probably do it, but ISK per hour will suffer greatly). Minmatar ships are definitely worth training for, but without another race to cover those missing roles, they're much less appealing, especially since fleet battleships are so important.
Amarr are generally awesome right now, with good PvP ships in almost every role. Almost being the key word, Amarr frigates are terrible, and their only T1 cruiser is really a Gallente ship with gold paint. Until you get to T2 medium lasers and a Zealot or Harbinger with good support skills (a rather large SP investment), Amarr will be a serious disappointment. On the PvE side, they're second to Caldari. If you can stand the long wait to be effective, Amarr are a very solid choice, but don't expect instant results. And be warned: there are a lot of "nerf Amarr" whines right now, so train Amarr at your own risk.
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Kabal Farcanal
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:18:00 -
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gallente are nice but to use them propely you need to have nearly max skills :)
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:21:00 -
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Amarr. I picked them years ago before they were cool just for the looks.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente The Avalon Foundation The Drift.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:26:00 -
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amarr give me the most fun at the moment, zealot, absolution, abadon and geddonare a blast. zealot in beam for null sec, plated for low sec have been a lot of fun recently
gallente have a couple of nice ships, dominix and ishtar for level 4's, megathron can still snipe but are generally outclassed in gangs by amarr at the moment.
don't overlook caldari or minmatar, both have very nice ships in their line ups. but go with what you like flying.
or, more importantly, what looks good.
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Merbusent
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:37:00 -
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I've stuck to Minmatar for two years and have just about all the skills required from that race i've learned to hate minmatar hacs and recons finding that the wolf is awfull vengence/ishkur wins a whole lot more. Practically i'd choose Gallente there ships are pretty much Omnipurpose i.e more so than the minmatar.
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Dictum Factum
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:20:00 -
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I would choose Gallente for one simply reason. The Dominix is, perhaps, the most versatile ship in the game.
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Horny girl1
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:36:00 -
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Go Amarr, perfect old race for mostly things. For BS u have abadon for pve with beams and drones. For pvp...your choice mostly used ship at this moment in game is Apoc-sniping, armagedon is mostly solo or rr bs gangs with heavy t2 drones.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:56:00 -
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minmatar 'cos ya can't tell when your ship has exploded ^_^ [ |
Trigos Trilobi
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok sniper HAC: Amarr (Zealot), Min (Muninn), Gall has none
Sentry ishtar can play the sniper HAC part pretty decent, and I'd certainly rather use that than a muninn.
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:58:00 -
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If I could fly only one races ships it would be Jovian :D
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VanNostrum
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:10:00 -
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Although i've flown mostly amarr and caldari on my other char, if I had to pick only one race it would be a tough call between gallente and minmatar for me.
These two races require extreme amounts of skill points but once you have them they are both very effective. My problem is that i'm an impatient person and can't simply make a 1-2 years plan to fly those ships with maxed out skills, instead i chose the easy way just like majority of players. True you need drone skills for caldari and amarr too, but if you have full drone skills and gunnery and armor tanking gallente are the best.
If you have trained shield tanking on top of those, with missile skills, then you minmatar become scary.
For amarr you primarily need gunnery+armor tanking and for caldari you primarily need missiles+shield tanking. For gallente and minmatar you need much much more to be deadly.
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:35:00 -
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Minmatar, because I love their ships.
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Darius Brinn
Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Brinn on 04/08/2009 11:44:14 Gallente.
Because whatever you want to do, it's important to look good while doing it.
Nice selection of practically everything: T1 and T2 frigs, great T1 cruisers, several great T2 cruisers, no complaints about their BS selection, of course.
Good mix of PvE, solo and fleet PvP. http://www.geocities.com/vagrantweapons/db.jpg |
Chakarr
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:52:00 -
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Minmatar
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:05:00 -
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Amarr, the other races ships offend my eyes.
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Kendar
Gallente Disney inc
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:10:00 -
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i have only good things to say about gallente ships and since in now speced to level 5 in every gallente ship from frig to titan ive started on amarr just to have something to train
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KiloAlpha
Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:12:00 -
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u have to be l33t to fly minm lol
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.04 13:21:00 -
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sniper hacs
gal deimos (not as much range as other hacs but good damage and the most agile)
amarr zealot (probabaly the best sniper hac mianly due to range bonus and laser awesomeness)
min muninn (best anti support sniper hac by far and still does decent range/damage)
caldari cerberus (dont use the eagle it is slow and does terrible damage)
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Warezmy Carr
Gallente Pod Pilots Association
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:02:00 -
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As a pod pilot with roughly 9.7 million SP (143 skills trained, 13 of those to V), if I could fly only one race's ships...
...I would choose Gallente.
With the right skills, a flight of drones can be as effective as a second ship when running missions and ratting. They tend to be less effective in PvP offense-wise, but they can still be a deciding factor in many battles. The repair drones in particular are quite useful in fleet PvP.
Gallente ship designs are organic and quite deadly-looking. Some are reminiscent of insects or arachnids. Not really relevant, but I think they're the best designs in the game. -- Warezmy Carr's Skills: Here |
Cikness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:10:00 -
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If I had to summarize this chain it would be: Given what I want to do Amarr might have been better. But given my Caldari investment, I am not gimped by being Caldari and should probably continue.
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:12:00 -
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I would play a different game. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one." |
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