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Cikness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:00:00 -
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The name says it all. I have been focusing on Caldari ships. I am at about 3.5 Mil SP. I only have one level 5 skill.
On the boards and in Alliance chat, people run down Drakes and Caldari ships in general. I figure I need to change. I want to focus on one race so I can get higher level ships quickly.
I want to be able to run L4's, Rat in 0.0 and be useful in gang and fleet PVP. I am particularly interested in a sniper HAC.
I am thinking Gallante, but I would love to see what you all think and why.
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Ivan Malat
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Cikness
The name says it all. I have been focusing on Caldari ships. I am at about 3.5 Mil SP. I only have one level 5 skill.
On the boards and in Alliance chat, people run down Drakes and Caldari ships in general. I figure I need to change. I want to focus on one race so I can get higher level ships quickly.
I want to be able to run L4's, Rat in 0.0 and be useful in gang and fleet PVP. I am particularly interested in a sniper HAC.
I am thinking Gallante, but I would love to see what you all think and why.
I'd choose Amarr, they have very high dps and can field solid tanks for pvp and pve. Zealot is a great HAC for sniping and the Amarr recons are also great for gang support.
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Cikness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:11:00 -
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Aren't lasers fairly short range?
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:19:00 -
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If your alliance mates are running down the PVP Drake, they're stupid and living in a non-existent past - simple as that. Caldari, as a whole, has alot to offer any competent gang/fleet. My advice is to stay Caldari and find a decent alliance/corp. It simply doesn't pay to crosstrain early - attain mastery of what you have and then crosstrain.
Remember: the only way you're going to compete with 'pros' is through good player skill and extreme character specialization... and you can't do that cross training every few months because some nubcake incorrectly tells you that your ship sucks!
However, if you're looking for a change and simply don't like what you're doing, you should consider Amarr right now. Lasers are wtfpwn, and the Zealot doesn't even require any drone skills of you. It's simply the least skill intensive HAC there is (The Beagle 'requires' the falloff skill and the cap consumption skill, while the Zealot simply requires the cap consumption skill).
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Snow Banshee
Amarr
Ruatha Holding
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Snow Banshee on 04/08/2009 05:34:34
my 2 cents:
Caldari are without doubt the king race for pve. for pvp is not that easy to do as with other races, but things have changed in last years and caldari now have some good options.
You want a sniper hac?
Eagle ( caldar hac, moa hull) is exactly that, mayve the best sniper hac in game.
other valid pvp options:
rock ( caldari bs, tier 3) is excellent in fleets
shield buffered torp raven ( small gang engagements)
ecm ships ( scorpion or t2 ships, very usegull in gangs)
drake( bc), crow ( interceptor).
Caldari is a good race, they had in past some problems in "solo pvp" department, but things are much better in last years. Imho at your stage its not worth to crosstrain. You have a lot of valid option sticking your race.
If you like hacs yo ahve already what you search:
eagle: sniper hac
cerberus: goos pve ( and usefull also in pvp.. exactly like the drake)
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:59:00 -
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Check these writeups out
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Amarr_ships
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Gallente_ships
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Minmatar_ships
run L4's: Gall everywhere (domi + drones), Amarr and Min more limited to their respective regions cos of damage types.
Rat in 0.0: Gall everywhere (domi + drones), Amarr and Min more limited to certain types of rats cos of damage types.
useful in small gang PVP: All 3
useful in fleet: Amarr BS then Gall/Min
sniper HAC: Amarr (Zealot), Min (Muninn), Gall has none
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
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Posted - 2009.08.04 06:04:00 -
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raven is great for bait
so is drake if anyone falls for that
and scorp is amazing for gang
so is falcon
so is rook to a degree
cerb's pretty good
Triumvirate has had some success in battles with all-drake fleets, so dont downplay drakes in pvp at all.
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Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:00:00 -
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If today I was forced to be one race it would be Amarr. They currently have the best selection ships that work (or excel) in most situations.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:08:00 -
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Amarr probably, with caldari a very close second. Their only weakness is lack of good RR BS.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 04/08/2009 07:48:19
Caldari by far, as they give you the broadest options, both PvP and PvE.
For carebearing, Caldari can do it all. While people may argue about whether the Golem or Paladin is 0.0000001% better at doing missions, you can't go wrong with Caldari. The same goes for exploration, ratting, etc, the Caldari ship is always either the obvious best choice, or tied with the best choice. This ensures that you will always have a steady supply of income.
For PvP, Caldari are awesome in gangs. They have the best fleet battleship (Rokh), an awesome small gang gank battleship (Raven/CNR), the best fleet ewar (Rook/Falcon/Scorpion/Blackbird), a top-tier BC (Drake), awesome HACs, the best HIC, solid T2 frigates, etc. The only gang role Caldari don't have a top-tier option for is in RR battleship gangs, thanks to the absurd CPU requirements for remote shield reps. They also lack a bit in solo options, but honestly, the gang options are far more important.
But what about the alternatives?
Gallente just plain suck. They have a whole two ships (Dominix, Ishtar) that are worth training for (and only three if we count the massively overpriced Ishkur). Granted, these are pretty good ships, but they're mediocre in PvE (they can do it, but the low dps will hurt your ISK per hour) and useless in larger PvP fleets. This is just unacceptable for your only race, two ships isn't anywhere near good enough to justify the choice.
Minmatar are good in small-gang PvP, with awesome frigates/cruisers/BCs. On the bad side, they have terrible battleships and are poor at best in PvE (PvE is so easy that they can probably do it, but ISK per hour will suffer greatly). Minmatar ships are definitely worth training for, but without another race to cover those missing roles, they're much less appealing, especially since fleet battleships are so important.
Amarr are generally awesome right now, with good PvP ships in almost every role. Almost being the key word, Amarr frigates are terrible, and their only T1 cruiser is really a Gallente ship with gold paint. Until you get to T2 medium lasers and a Zealot or Harbinger with good support skills (a rather large SP investment), Amarr will be a serious disappointment. On the PvE side, they're second to Caldari. If you can stand the long wait to be effective, Amarr are a very solid choice, but don't expect instant results. And be warned: there are a lot of "nerf Amarr" whines right now, so train Amarr at your own risk.
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Kabal Farcanal
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:18:00 -
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gallente are nice but to use them propely you need to have nearly max skills :)
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:21:00 -
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Amarr. I picked them years ago before they were cool just for the looks.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
The Avalon Foundation
The Drift.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:26:00 -
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amarr give me the most fun at the moment, zealot, absolution, abadon and geddonare a blast. zealot in beam for null sec, plated for low sec have been a lot of fun recently
gallente have a couple of nice ships, dominix and ishtar for level 4's, megathron can still snipe but are generally outclassed in gangs by amarr at the moment.
don't overlook caldari or minmatar, both have very nice ships in their line ups.
but go with what you like flying.
or, more importantly, what looks good.
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Merbusent
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Posted - 2009.08.04 08:37:00 -
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I've stuck to Minmatar for two years and have just about all the skills required from that race i've learned to hate minmatar hacs and recons finding that the wolf is awfull vengence/ishkur wins a whole lot more. Practically i'd choose Gallente there ships are pretty much Omnipurpose i.e more so than the minmatar.
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Dictum Factum
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:20:00 -
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I would choose Gallente for one simply reason. The Dominix is, perhaps, the most versatile ship in the game.
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Horny girl1
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:36:00 -
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Go Amarr, perfect old race for mostly things. For BS u have abadon for pve with beams and drones. For pvp...your choice mostly used ship at this moment in game is Apoc-sniping, armagedon is mostly solo or rr bs gangs with heavy t2 drones.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:56:00 -
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minmatar 'cos ya can't tell when your ship has exploded ^_^
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Trigos Trilobi
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Darthewok
sniper HAC: Amarr (Zealot), Min (Muninn), Gall has none
Sentry ishtar can play the sniper HAC part pretty decent, and I'd certainly rather use that than a muninn.
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:58:00 -
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If I could fly only one races ships it would be Jovian :D
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VanNostrum
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:10:00 -
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Although i've flown mostly amarr and caldari on my other char, if I had to pick only one race it would be a tough call between gallente and minmatar for me.
These two races require extreme amounts of skill points but once you have them they are both very effective. My problem is that i'm an impatient person and can't simply make a 1-2 years plan to fly those ships with maxed out skills, instead i chose the easy way just like majority of players. True you need drone skills for caldari and amarr too, but if you have full drone skills and gunnery and armor tanking gallente are the best.
If you have trained shield tanking on top of those, with missile skills, then you minmatar become scary.
For amarr you primarily need gunnery+armor tanking and for caldari you primarily need missiles+shield tanking. For gallente and minmatar you need much much more to be deadly.
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Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:35:00 -
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Minmatar, because I love their ships.
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Darius Brinn
Gallente
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Brinn on 04/08/2009 11:44:14
Gallente.
Because whatever you want to do, it's important to look good while doing it.
Nice selection of practically everything: T1 and T2 frigs, great T1 cruisers, several great T2 cruisers, no complaints about their BS selection, of course.
Good mix of PvE, solo and fleet PvP.
http://www.geocities.com/vagrantweapons/db.jpg |
Chakarr
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:52:00 -
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Minmatar 
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:05:00 -
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Amarr, the other races ships offend my eyes.
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Kendar
Gallente
Disney inc
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:10:00 -
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i have only good things to say about gallente ships and since in now speced to level 5 in every gallente ship from frig to titan ive started on amarr just to have something to train 
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KiloAlpha
Southern Cross Trilogy
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:12:00 -
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u have to be l33t to fly minm lol
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.04 13:21:00 -
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sniper hacs
gal deimos (not as much range as other hacs but good damage and the most agile)
amarr zealot (probabaly the best sniper hac mianly due to range bonus and laser awesomeness)
min muninn (best anti support sniper hac by far and still does decent range/damage)
caldari cerberus (dont use the eagle it is slow and does terrible damage)
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Warezmy Carr
Gallente
Pod Pilots Association
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:02:00 -
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As a pod pilot with roughly 9.7 million SP (143 skills trained, 13 of those to V), if I could fly only one race's ships...
...I would choose Gallente.
With the right skills, a flight of drones can be as effective as a second ship when running missions and ratting. They tend to be less effective in PvP offense-wise, but they can still be a deciding factor in many battles. The repair drones in particular are quite useful in fleet PvP.
Gallente ship designs are organic and quite deadly-looking. Some are reminiscent of insects or arachnids. Not really relevant, but I think they're the best designs in the game.
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Cikness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:10:00 -
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If I had to summarize this chain it would be: Given what I want to do Amarr might have been better. But given my Caldari investment, I am not gimped by being Caldari and should probably continue.
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:12:00 -
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I would play a different game.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cikness
If I had to summarize this chain it would be: Given what I want to do Amarr might have been better. But given my Caldari investment, I am not gimped by being Caldari and should probably continue.
Don't forget the find a decent corp/alliance part. If they won't take you on gangs or ***** at you while you're there because they're stupid... /shrug
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Warezmy Carr
As a pod pilot with roughly 9.7 million SP (143 skills trained, 13 of those to V), if I could fly only one race's ships...
...I would choose Gallente.
As a pilot with 9.7 million SP -- in drones alone -- I'm not sure this is relevant. Every race makes some use of drones. Yes, even Caldari. (When I first got in my Drake way back when the Drake was brand new I realized I was doing more damage with a flight of Hob IIs than I was with missiles.)
I hate to keep doing this -- I really do -- but I think I have to agree with Merin again: Gal have three very good (sub-capital; I'm in no position to talk about capital) ships: Ishkur, Ishtar, and Domi. Even within their classes, though, they're merely competitive and not quite superlative. (The Myrm might in fact be great again if they'd undo the ****ing bandwidth restriction but I think we've all accepted that that will never happen. EOS is in a similar situation.)
I still find myself reaching for my Nighthawk for L4s about half the time despite having a perfectly workable sentry Domi on hand.
Oh, and for what it's worth, the pirate factions available to Gal aren't exactly that hot unless you randomly feel like getting into a Machariel for lolz.
Fly what you like. Find a style. Eventually you'll want to crosstrain anyway. But in the short term just concentrate on something.
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LordThyGod
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:43:00 -
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stick with caldari for now, and get all your core skills up. Once you have some sp under your belt get in to a raven and finish off your support skill training. At that point you can train up gun skills and try out the rokh. From that point you can cross train into any race effectively, id suggest amarr so you can fly a nightmare :P
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Ze4K DK
Gallente
topSTUFFed Productions Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
I hate to keep doing this -- I really do -- but I think I have to agree with Merin again: Gal have three very good (sub-capital; I'm in no position to talk about capital) ships: Ishkur, Ishtar, and Domi. Even within their classes, though, they're merely competitive and not quite superlative. (The Myrm might in fact be great again if they'd undo the ****ing bandwidth restriction but I think we've all accepted that that will never happen. EOS is in a similar situation.)
Myrm is still good with 2x ogre, 2x hammerheads and a hobgoblin + guns...
Thorax and vexor are good boats!
I quite like the Megathron tbh... and the navy one aswell...
AND WTF I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU FORGOT THE TARANIS!!!
the gallente line-up is pretty solid...
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:56:00 -
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sansha
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putting the gist back into logistics |
Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Darthewok on 04/08/2009 15:02:45
Originally by: Cikness
If I had to summarize this chain it would be: Given what I want to do Amarr might have been better. But given my Caldari investment, I am not gimped by being Caldari and should probably continue.
I would highly advise to go with the race that enables you to do what you want to do!
Don't slog with a race you don't enjoy just because you already put some skill points into it.
(3.5 mil is not much of a switching cost)
I started out Caldari, switched to Gallente then Amarr and have not regretted it because it fits the way I want to play.
Pick the race that flies the way YOU want to play.
The sooner you find out how YOU like PVPing the better so you can focus on the appropriate race.
What do YOU want?
If its shooting stuff with guns with little ammo requirements for decent damage and tracking at most distances, Amarr.
If its having a versatile drone bay able to do many different things all in one ship, Gallente is the race.
If its being fast and agile able to guerilla-style hit and run away fast when necessary, Minmatar.
If its ECM (the best EWAR at present) and some sniper boats (focusing more on range than damage) then Caldari.
Summarised: Don't train Flavor of the Month. Instead train Flavor (of fighting style) that YOU Like!
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ze4K DK
Myrm is still good with 2x ogre, 2x hammerheads and a hobgoblin + guns...
No. It's adequate. It's not good. It's the weakest of the tier 2 BCs at this point whereas it used to be in tight competition for the best.
Is it still better than a tier 1 BC? Sure. Except maybe the Brutix. Is that an accomplishment? Only in strict special olympics terms.
Originally by: Ze4K DK
Thorax and vexor are good boats!
Vexor has its place; I'll grant that. Mainly as training wheels for an Ishtar, but when you're low on cash; sure. Go Vexor.
Thorax is a cheaper way to get primaried and killed than a Diemos or a Brutix, I suppose....
Originally by: Ze4K DK
I quite like the Megathron tbh... and the navy one aswell...
Some people do. Some people also like the Tempest. Go figure.
Originally by: Ze4K DK
AND WTF I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU FORGOT THE TARANIS!!!
Fair. I should include the Taranis. And honestly the Ares isn't bad at pure tackle either. I'll grant a decent 'ceptor lineup. Actually, I'll even grant that as a combination the two ships make the best 'ceptor lineup.
Originally by: Ze4K DK
the gallente line-up is pretty solid...
If/when blasters work again, this will be true. Until then, they work on the Taranis. And the Rokh. Each for different reasons.
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
sansha
You know, I highly considered posting that myself. Instead I got bored and decided to argue on the internet.
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Ze4K DK
Myrm is still good with 2x ogre, 2x hammerheads and a hobgoblin + guns...
No. It's adequate. It's not good. It's the weakest of the tier 2 BCs at this point whereas it used to be in tight competition for the best.
Is it still better than a tier 1 BC? Sure. Except maybe the Brutix. Is that an accomplishment? Only in strict special olympics terms.
Originally by: Ze4K DK
Thorax and vexor are good boats!
Vexor has its place; I'll grant that. Mainly as training wheels for an Ishtar, but when you're low on cash; sure. Go Vexor.
Thorax is a cheaper way to get primaried and killed than a Diemos or a Brutix, I suppose....
Originally by: Ze4K DK
I quite like the Megathron tbh... and the navy one aswell...
Some people do. Some people also like the Tempest. Go figure.
Originally by: Ze4K DK
AND WTF I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU FORGOT THE TARANIS!!!
Fair. I should include the Taranis. And honestly the Ares isn't bad at pure tackle either. I'll grant a decent 'ceptor lineup. Actually, I'll even grant that as a combination the two ships make the best 'ceptor lineup.
Originally by: Ze4K DK
the gallente line-up is pretty solid...
If/when blasters work again, this will be true. Until then, they work on the Taranis. And the Rokh. Each for different reasons.
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
sansha
You know, I highly considered posting that myself. Instead I got bored and decided to argue on the internet.
For a lot of pilots Price is a serious issue, so having good Tech 1 cruisers is a Big deal. That being said, The Thorax and Vexor are both good cruisers. For a slugfest sure I'd rather have a rupture, but if your trying to gank a target before backup arrives there isn't much substitute for raw dps.
Keres is also a damn good gatecamp tackler, and very good in a frig gang as it can tackle a target and hold it nigh forever while backup arrives.
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Merbusent
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:53:00 -
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Wouldn't it be cool to tstart with minmatar go gallente and train up an amarr commandship (for looks) 
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:02:00 -
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Minmatar, because bigger ships suck monkey balls and anyone who likes them can go choke on a burning sock.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:41:00 -
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Minmatar. They no longer have any ships that are far above their rivals but a solid stable nonetheless.
The variation throughout their ships is unsurpassed. Shield tanks, armour tanks, gank boats, semi-drone boats and one of the best sub-bs lineups around (Rifter/Rupture/Hurricane/Vagabond).
Hell, the Fleet Stabber alone makes the choice too easy, that thing is evil.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Hell, the Fleet Stabber alone makes the choice too easy, that thing is evil.
I hate the fleet stabber because the name makes people fit it like a stabber. When in fact its a pretty decent rupture replacement.
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Cmndr Griff
Capitalistic Tendencies
Red Dwarf Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:51:00 -
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I'd specialise in a pirate faction if it was possible from the start, but then most would.
Realistic choice is Amarr. I admit Minmatar, Caldari and Gallente are still good races, and there are ships in all races I cross-trained to fly but even ignoring lasers FOTM status they look awesome, and have that cool factor. I am just happy that my race is wearing the 'crown' again as it were.
Don't nerf Amarr, boost the other races.
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Cikness
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:19:00 -
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By the way, my corp/alliance will let me bring what I want. There was just a general run down of Caldari ships. When I solo, I like to use a passive tank and stand off at a distance. Sounds like Caldari is the right faction.
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: EFT Worrier on 04/08/2009 20:23:19
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Gallente just plain suck. They have a whole two ships (Dominix, Ishtar) that are worth training for (and only three if we count the massively overpriced Ishkur). Granted, these are pretty good ships, but they're mediocre in PvE (they can do it, but the low dps will hurt your ISK per hour) and useless in larger PvP fleets. This is just unacceptable for your only race, two ships isn't anywhere near good enough to justify the choice.
This is god-awful advice, if anything gallente are the most versatile/well-rounded race with good ships for just about anything.
- Taranis, one of the best if not the best inty
- Megathron, still a solid rail or blaster platform, and an excellent complement to the mighty swiss-army domi.
- Vexor, a great t1 cruiser
- Moros, equal best dreadnought
also:
- ishtar is an excellent sniper, try looking into drone optimal range rigs.
- domi is great in RR BS gangs
- domi is great at PVE, low DPS my butt. rails, sentries, and switchable damage types allows it to compete for the top spot.
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Grann Thefauto
Spook Division
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:03:00 -
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Minmatar is the most frustrating to start with, but once you get good skills they're amazing for cheap pvp.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 04/08/2009 21:23:01
Originally by: EFT Worrier
- Taranis, one of the best if not the best inty
The Taranis is the most overrated inty. It's mediocre at best, decent at killing ratting ships, but has the slowest speed and no range bonus, so it's the worst interceptor at doing what interceptors are supposed to do.
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- Megathron, still a solid rail or blaster platform, and an excellent complement to the mighty swiss-army domi.
The rail Megathron is a useless ship, and inferior in every way to the Rokh (or Apoc).
The blaster Megathron is outclassed by the Armageddon and torp Raven.
Neither of the setups are worth training for. I suppose if you trained Gallente when they were good and don't have any other skills, they're better than nothing, but they are in no way a good training goal.
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- Vexor, a great t1 cruiser
It's a T1 cruiser, and therefore a newbie ship. You pick your race based on long-term performance, not what you can fly for a week before you get a BC.
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- Moros, equal best dreadnought
Who cares about capitals, they're all the same, and not at all relevant to sub-capital PvP.
Originally by: EFT Worrier
- domi is great at PVE, low DPS my butt. rails, sentries, and switchable damage types allows it to compete for the top spot.
Please show me the Dominix setup that can get over 1k dps with rails and sentry drones, because anything less than 1k dps means you are nowhere near the top spot.
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 04/08/2009 21:25:51
Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 04/08/2009 21:24:44
Originally by: EFT Worrier
This is god-awful advice, if anything gallente are the most versatile/well-rounded race with good ships for just about anything.
- Taranis, one of the best if not the best inty
For combat. Sure. Merin's impression has long been that frig hulls -- all frig hulls -- are for tackle. The 'ranis isn't so good there.
The Ares, on the other hand, is.
Originally by: EFT Worrier
- Megathron, still a solid rail or blaster platform, and an excellent complement to the mighty swiss-army domi.
Not compared to other options. Like, say, another Domi. Or a Geddon. Or a Raven. Unfortunate but true.
Originally by: EFT Worrier
- Vexor, a great t1 cruiser
Agreed; Vexor and Arbitrator are tied -- in my eyes -- as the best T1 cruisers. Odd that they demand all the same support skills....
Originally by: EFT Worrier
- Moros, equal best dreadnought
For station games or doing non-dreadnoughty things.
Originally by: EFT Worrier
also:
- ishtar is an excellent sniper, try looking into drone optimal range rigs.
I have; it could be. If you hold still. Bouncers don't interact well with a MWD even if they can deliver close to 400 DPS to 84k optimal and 40something falloff.
Excellent? No. It can't flee easily. It turns like a tethered hog. But it can do significant damage out to "normal" sniper HAC ranges.
Originally by: EFT Worrier
- domi is great in RR BS gangs
- domi is great at PVE, low DPS my butt. rails, sentries, and switchable damage types allows it to compete for the top spot.
No one is complaining about the Domi. Trust me.
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Grann Thefauto
Spook Division
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
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- Vexor, a great t1 cruiser
It's a T1 cruiser, and therefore a newbie ship. You pick your race based on long-term performance, not what you can fly for a week before you get a BC.
Newbie ship? Seriously? And frigates are likewise useless I bet.
You pick your race based on what you like, its a game after all. Have fun!
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: EFT Worrier on 04/08/2009 22:55:43
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
The Taranis is the most overrated inty. It's mediocre at best, decent at killing ratting ships, but has the slowest speed and no range bonus, so it's the worst interceptor at doing what interceptors are supposed to do.
99% of EVE disagrees with you. if you define the total worth of an inty by how fast it can go in a straight line, then your opinions are pretty much worthless AFAIAC.
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The rail Megathron is a useless ship, and inferior in every way to the Rokh (or Apoc).
At sniping at 190km, maybe. anything less than that an the megathron is a fine ship at almost half the cost of a rokh, especially at medium ranges where tracking matters.
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It's a T1 cruiser, and therefore a newbie ship. You pick your race based on long-term performance, not what you can fly for a week before you get a BC.
cheap leeroy PVP is part of the game, get over yourself.
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Who cares about capitals, they're all the same, and not at all relevant to sub-capital PvP.
Most people do care that their race has decent choices in capital class ships, and once again, Gallente is a good performer here.
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Please show me the Dominix setup that can get over 1k dps with rails and sentry drones, because anything less than 1k dps means you are nowhere near the top spot.
PVE performance is about more than how high the DPS number in EFT is. Rapidly switchable, instant damage + fastest killer of sub-BS ships keeps the domi competitive with raven/golem.
Gallente is far from "worthless".
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Calmity Jayne
Gallente
Green Planet Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:42:00 -
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I'm Gallente but specialise in Minmater. I'd be happy never to fly any other race of ship again. They may not be the best in EVE overall but, for me, they are flying works of art and remind me of the sculptures made out of old nuts and bolts and bicycle wheels. 
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Weeka
Lyonesse.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:45:00 -
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Minmatar .. cause everyone else will be amarr, and I would like good resists against them.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 05/08/2009 23:08:35
Originally by: EFT Worrier
99% of EVE disagrees with you. if you define the total worth of an inty by how fast it can go in a straight line, then your opinions are pretty much worthless AFAIAC.
Yes, that would be why it's overrated, because so many people think that it's awesome when it isn't.
Like it or not, the Taranis is mediocre at best. It's slow, lacks any tackle bonus, and its only redeeming factor is high dps from within web/scram/neut range (a suicidal place to be against anything other than carebear T1 cruisers). IOW, it fails at doing the job of an interceptor, and only "succeeds" at doing things that other ships do far, far better.
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At sniping at 190km, maybe. anything less than that an the megathron is a fine ship at almost half the cost of a rokh, especially at medium ranges where tracking matters.
At any range that could plausibly be considered sniper range (100km or more), the Rokh wins thanks to an additional turret hardpoint and the ability to use higher-damage faction ammo. And over much of that range, the Rokh will track better than the Megathron, since it can use faction ammo instead of Spike. Oh, and it has much more EHP to survive that DD, warp out, get remote reps, etc.
The comparison with the Apoc is pretty much the same, except the Apoc is the same price as the Megathron, making the decision even more obvious.
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cheap leeroy PVP is part of the game, get over yourself.
BCs (especially the nano Hurricane) have completely replaced T1 cruisers in the "cheap PvP" role. Once you consider insurance and a proper fit (if you fit T1 junk, you are not going to kill anything), the BC is not that much more expensive, but vastly more capable.
The only reason to fly a T1 cruiser other than a Blackbird (there is no ECM BC) is if you're a newbie who can't fly a BC yet, making this a pretty poor reason for picking a race.
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Most people do care that their race has decent choices in capital class ships, and once again, Gallente is a good performer here.
1) For many purposes (such as shooting a POS, something you spend most of your time doing), all dreads are equal. While the Moros isn't bad, it's not so amazing that you should change races just to fly it.
2) The Thanatos/Nyx are easily the worst in their class. While they can do the job in many cases, if you're starting from zero SP, there is no reason to set them as a training goal.
3) Capitals are fundamentally different from sub-capitals. The decision of which capital ships to train for (if any) should be made completely independently from which sub-capital race to train for, and the reasons for those decisions have nothing to do with each other. Since the OP is not talking about capitals, I am assuming this discussion is about the sub-capitals that make up the majority of PvP.
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PVE performance is about more than how high the DPS number in EFT is. Rapidly switchable, instant damage + fastest killer of sub-BS ships keeps the domi competitive with raven/golem.
Hint: the Raven hulls have better choice of damage type than the Dominix (which loses dps if you use anything but thermal drones).
Hint: the Nightmare/Paladin are the fastest killers of sub-BS ships, not the Dominix.
Hint: no tractor beam bonus = the Dominix isn't even in the same class as the Golem or Paladin.
While the Dominix is alright for PvE, its advantages have much more to do with the ability to run missions semi-AFK than maximum profit.
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Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Ze4K DK
Gallente
topSTUFFed Productions Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 05/08/2009 23:08:35
Originally by: EFT Worrier
99% of EVE disagrees with you. if you define the total worth of an inty by how fast it can go in a straight line, then your opinions are pretty much worthless AFAIAC.
Yes, that would be why it's overrated, because so many people think that it's awesome when it isn't.
Like it or not, the Taranis is mediocre at best. It's slow, lacks any tackle bonus, and its only redeeming factor is high dps from within web/scram/neut range (a suicidal place to be against anything other than carebear T1 cruisers). IOW, it fails at doing the job of an interceptor, and only "succeeds" at doing things that other ships do far, far better.
What other ship does what the ranis does but better? MWD+AB, Good DPS, Tiny Signature radius... Sure it's not the fastest ceptor, or the best at tackling, but we have the Ares for that... See Garmons newest vid for Taranis awesomeness...
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Karl Luckner
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 04/08/2009 07:48:19
They have the best fleet battleship (Rokh), an awesome small gang gank battleship (Raven/CNR), the best fleet ewar (Rook/Falcon/Scorpion/Blackbird), a top-tier BC (Drake), awesome HACs, the best HIC, solid T2 frigates, etc.
Sorry, the Rokh is definately not the best fleet battleship. Maybe in EFT. Fleets are dominated by Apocs. And their numbers grow with every week. Rokhs are only good at one thing: to die first under laser fire.
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:06:00 -
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I've always agreed with the few people who dislike the taranis, it really is nothing special. Not to say it isn't fun, and I'll enjoy flying them in swarms of ranises, but to say it's actually a good ship or even a good inty just isn't true.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:47:00 -
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Minmatar.
On EFT look not so good, in reality kick ass.
4+ years in and still pure matari pvper.
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Pulivin Motic
Caldari
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:51:00 -
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Ore Syndicate, cant wait till they come out with pvp ships 
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