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wickedpheonix
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2009.08.08 13:34:00 -
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Navy Hookbill and Navy Osprey are both worthless.
Moa is supposedly used as one of the better Gas Harvesting platforms though so that doesn't deserve to be on the list since this isn't an exclusively PVP list.
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Meridius Dex
Amarr Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.08.08 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aleus Stygian
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Zhilia Mann
Originally by: Justin Cody I'm training rockets to 5 just to test out the vengeance.
Confirmed masochist.
Guess who else has rocket spec L4 ? Confirming the confirmation he is (and I am) a masochist
Hands up for me here as well.
I R also haz Rocket Spec IV; I am just convinced they are so bad at some point CCP *must* fix them.
And also agree with Lyrus that the Sigil is a great low sec loot hauler. Fit two warp stabs and three I-stabs in the lows and watch it turn like a dessie. -- Meridius Dex Visit the Gunship Forums --
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.08 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: wickedpheonix Navy Hookbill [...] worthless
Excuse me ? You mean my "Shuttle of near-utter-highsec-nowar-safety" is worthless ? Granted, it's quite expensive, but...
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Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
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Posted - 2009.08.08 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 08/08/2009 17:36:06
Originally by: AstroPhobic Eagle is superior to the muninn in just about every way
Every way except where Sniper HACs shoot the most from, which is 90-100km. At this range the Muninn hits in optimal for about 20 more DPS then the Eagle with both using 3 dmg mods and not counting the drone DPS of the Muninn.
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.08 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: AstroPhobic on 08/08/2009 18:09:39
Originally by: Solid Prefekt Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 08/08/2009 17:36:06
Originally by: AstroPhobic Eagle is superior to the muninn in just about every way
Every way except where Sniper HACs shoot the most from, which is 90-100km. At this range the Muninn hits in optimal for about 20 more DPS then the Eagle with both using 3 dmg mods and not counting the drone DPS of the Muninn.
Except... it doesn't. The eagle does 9 more DPS with nearly 3 times the tracking speed, a faster scan res, and 50% more sensor str..
[Eagle, Sniper (100km)] Reactor Control Unit II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Invulnerability Field II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M Small EMP Smartbomb II /OFFLINE
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[Muninn, 100km] Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M Small EMP Smartbomb II /OFFLINE Small EMP Smartbomb II /OFFLINE
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.08 18:35:00 -
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Why do you fit offline modules anyway ? It's not like you're going to online them mid-fight, and an empty slot does the same "good" for overheating.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.08 20:55:00 -
[97]
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Chi'kote No ship just 100% sucks.
Sigil - why would anyone ever fly this? It has the same skill requirement as a Bestower: Amarr Industrial I
Because they're fast and agile, and way cheaper/easier to fly than a blockade runner. Seriously, fit it with speed mods and see how fast it moves.
The Sigil also has more low slots than the Bestower, meaning you can fit warp core stabilizers in addition to (either) cargo expanders or agility modules.
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.08 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Why do you fit offline modules anyway ? It's not like you're going to online them mid-fight, and an empty slot does the same "good" for overheating.
Umm... I think I had them for drones. They fit on both setups without offlining them, I think I was just turning them off so as to not forget to count them out of DPS calcs. An afterthought either way, nothing really fits in either setup.
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Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.08 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Solid Prefekt Edited by: Solid Prefekt on 08/08/2009 17:36:06
Originally by: AstroPhobic Eagle is superior to the muninn in just about every way
Every way except where Sniper HACs shoot the most from, which is 90-100km. At this range the Muninn hits in optimal for about 20 more DPS then the Eagle with both using 3 dmg mods and not counting the drone DPS of the Muninn.
Your ignoring tracking, eagle will normally fit CN iridium for the ~100km range getting no tracking penalty. Muninn can use RF carbonized lead in this range but if you do your dps will be pretty much the same as the eagle. The muninn has better tracking with faction ammo but i'm not sure it matters, eagle doesn't have a problem hitting cepters at this range. Tremor gives the muninn a nice dps lead but destroys its tracking.
So its really a trade off they can both use faction in the 90-100km range and do ~190dps. the muninn can switch to T2 ammo and jump to ~220dps in the ~100km range with poor tracking, eagle can switch to T2 and do ~190dps out to 160km with poor tracking.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.08.08 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Yakov Draken on 08/08/2009 23:12:44
Originally by: Xydros Minmatar Battleships.
The Tempest has next to no tank and low DPS.
The Maelstrom does more DPS with lasers than with the guns it gets a bonus for.
The Typhoon has a split slot layout that while gimpy you can do some interesting things with the extra slots for RR/Neut action. Except then you realize a Domni is better because it's cheaper and does more DPS with its more durable drones.
The Typhoon is a really strong BS despite its wierd bonus's. You can run 2xRR, a neut, and have ~850dps (4 siege, 1 AC, faction ammo, one BCS) with an nice tank. That is better damage than a comparable Domi by a decent margin. If your gang has a TP or two the damage can climb further with bane torps. Capless weapons are a bonus for an RR gang.
Tempest is the worse T1 BS in the game. Almost no role beyond low skill point - at least in low sec. Sure it works (I have ~200 kills in one) but once your SP's climb it becomes redundant.
Worst T1 BC? I think I'd go for the Ferox because the bait Prophecy is sweet for lols.
Worst Cruiser? That is too tough as there are a lot of bad ones. So many I wouldn't include the Maller - its' lols value as a bait ship are immense.
Worst T1 Frigates? Tbh I don't really care because all frigates are so difficult to fit that I can't be bothered anymore. Increase Frigates PG and CPU!
T2? In low sec most T2 ships seem a bit sucky compared to the what you can do with a T1 gang - unless you have a full toolbox to call from. As we are only just getting there I don't have much experiance on using T2 properly.
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Arushia
Nova Labs New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.09 00:41:00 -
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Every faction frigate that has turret bonuses but only 2 frakking turret slots.
The Tristan, because of exact same problem.
Dishonorable mention to Helios/Imicus for having the game's fugliest models.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.08.09 01:28:00 -
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Quote:
As for which ships are the most useless? Well, it's a little hard to judge, but... I'd have to say that the Exequror nabs the gold. . .
With its huge cargo bay and the agility of a cruiser, it makes a cheap, safe and light lowsec hauler. Alternately, it works as a good loot recovery vehicle for missions.
It's classified as a cruiser, but it's really the lightest and most agile industrial in the game.
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Trader Jjenna
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Posted - 2009.08.09 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Trader Jjenna on 09/08/2009 01:53:22 Minnie: Rapier (and Huginn)
Can't tank (used to be able to speed tank) Webs suck - and frankly scrams often are more useful in pvp anyway.
So - build 175mil worth of useless, paper thinness? No thanks.
(and yes - bellicose, scythe, - anything that is not the rupture, or rifter in a T1 minmatar cruiser or frig sucks). Minmatar is teh lame atm.
All Minnie BS are at best ok - and are outshined in their role by other BS.
Amarr: What really sucks for Amarr? hmm . . .Maller? Certainly AF's could use an extra mid.
Gallente: Deimos? Not sure it really sucks, but it is also 175mil worth of paper primary. But at least it can really put the hurt on someone.
Eos/Astarte don't suck but are pretty meh.
Caldari: Would have to agree with Nighthawk.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.09 02:37:00 -
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Snipe Deimos isn't bad. It does more damage, has more range, and can align faster than a Brutix. Of course, it costs 100M isk more and a Zealot is still better.
The only truly useless ship I've come across so far is the Hawk, it's outdamaged by a Kestrel, tanking bonus is nigh useless. When your AF is routinely killed by T1 frigs and Taranises you know something's wrong.
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Batsto
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:32:00 -
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rapier sucks?
i love the fact that so many people underestimate the bellolcose, and to some extent the stabber...it makes my life easier |
Kaydee Comcortuits
Amarr Templar of the New Moon
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Posted - 2009.08.09 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Chi'kote No ship just 100% sucks.
Sigil - why would anyone ever fly this? It has the same skill requirement as a Bestower: Amarr Industrial I
Speed. As a makeshift blockade runner, it fits the bill alright.
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Jim Nakamura
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hester Shaw Procurer - IT GETS OUTMINED BY A T1 CRUISER FFS. DESIGN FAIL ALERT. Covetor - YOU CAN BE IN A HULK LATER THE SAME DAY FFS. DESIGN FAIL ALERT.
Eh, I suppose if you're going to skip racial cruisers completely and push for mining barges immediately, the Procurer could be kind of handy... for the whole couple of days it takes to finish Retriever training. Likewise the Covetor, on the offchance that you're poor as hell and need something while you save for a Hulk...
Actually, no, forget that, they're both useless. GG making 2/3rds of a ship class obsolete from the word go.
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Georn
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:36:00 -
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And now for something completely different.
Caldari don't suck for PVP, They may "fail" in small gang warfare, but they can shine in Fleets. - Drake Gangs can be a royal Pain - Rokhs can reach beyond 200 km without too much trouble - Missiles can follow People inside POS shields - Torp Ravens are awesome for Ganking - Ospreys can be used by N00bs to rep POS shields - Onyx is a wonderful Hictor - Vulture can hang around the snipers and give boni :)
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: NeoTheo on 09/08/2009 11:50:48 cerb,
most pointless sniper ever. not enough grid for a good HAM fit (that would really remove it from the drake, due agility). eagle is the caldari sniper, why the hell have a missile sniper, they are usless at the best of times.
Hawk, Kessy is better, its terribad.
/Theo
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Kessiaan
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.09 15:32:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Jim Nakamura
Originally by: Hester Shaw Procurer - IT GETS OUTMINED BY A T1 CRUISER FFS. DESIGN FAIL ALERT. Covetor - YOU CAN BE IN A HULK LATER THE SAME DAY FFS. DESIGN FAIL ALERT.
Eh, I suppose if you're going to skip racial cruisers completely and push for mining barges immediately, the Procurer could be kind of handy... for the whole couple of days it takes to finish Retriever training. Likewise the Covetor, on the offchance that you're poor as hell and need something while you save for a Hulk...
Actually, no, forget that, they're both useless. GG making 2/3rds of a ship class obsolete from the word go.
Coveters see a lot of use in dangerous areas, since they only cost 7-8 mil after insurance. They're a popular choice for mining lowsec grav sites and risky nullsec areas since you can lose them and just get another one and not care.
Procurer, yeah, it sucks. I really can't argue with that :P
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Fuazzole interesting to see poeples "lists"
Like a few others I think Ferox and Snipe Eagle are awsome ships.
as for suck list
field command ships Eos capital ships -stange things happen around these, fleets can vanish empire-interdictors crow -good inties for a gang. enyo -I use this, rather good DPS keres retribution -I have been using this for well over a year, good ship for gangs navy osprey/execurour/caracal/scythe - Navy caracal can be an awsome ship.
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Nyveg
Hyperborea Re
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Posted - 2009.08.09 17:13:00 -
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NH with stupid whiners inside. What You want aside outstanding trackingless high-range dps and great tank? Speed and tackling are other races..
It is not the NH that needs a boost it is the Drake that needs a nerf SINCE AGES!
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.08.09 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nyveg It is not the NH that needs a boost it is the Drake that needs a nerf SINCE AGES!
Crazy fun fact: it got a handful. It's not nearly what it was on release. Hell, missile, umm, changes have been argued as a nerf as well.
[/me] avoids making a Myrm whine here.
But the NH still can't fit a gang link effectively making it not so much work in the role for which it was designed. The fact that it's absolutely awesome for running L4s and/or tanking L5s is pretty much irrelevant.
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ry ry
StateCorp HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.08.09 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 09/08/2009 21:46:55
breacher. the other day i realised i'd never flown one, so i bought one and tried to bling it up into a comedy deathwagon.
you can't. this space turd has 2 lows and 2 mids so don't even think about tanking it in any way or fitting more than a scram. it won't do dps and can't be persuaded to go fast either. it is short on fitting so compensating for it's ****ness with oversized mods is out too. as is active tanking due to it's fun-sized capacitor. to make matters worse it is the only pure minmatar missile boat apart from the ****ing hound, so nobody in their right mind would train it up at the point in their eve-life that they might actually consider flying one. it's literally useless.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.08.09 21:50:00 -
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The Legion is pretty terrible and useless.
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2009.08.09 22:17:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The Legion is pretty terrible and useless.
Can I have yours plx? ___________
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Rhicket
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Posted - 2009.08.10 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Trader Jjenna Amarr: What really sucks for Amarr? hmm . . .Maller? Certainly AF's could use an extra mid.
Augoror is completely and totally without merit.
Actually, that's not true. Augoror is for teh lulz.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.10 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rhicket
Originally by: Trader Jjenna Amarr: What really sucks for Amarr? hmm . . .Maller? Certainly AF's could use an extra mid.
Augoror is completely and totally without merit.
Actually, that's not true. Augoror is for teh lulz.
I turned mine into a big battery once to get cap to pos reppers I think I still have it somewhere...
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:35:00 -
[119]
Sin
Worst T2 bonuses in EVE. - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request |
Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Rhicket
Originally by: Trader Jjenna Amarr: What really sucks for Amarr? hmm . . .Maller? Certainly AF's could use an extra mid.
Augoror is completely and totally without merit.
Actually, that's not true. Augoror is for teh lulz.
I turned mine into a big battery once to get cap to pos reppers I think I still have it somewhere...
makes more sense than a scythe or bellicose indeed - putting the gist back into logistics |
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