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bongsmoke School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 46	Posted - 2012.05.27 21:47:00 - [1] - Quote I do not want to see this, but since the outcry of hulkaggedon(however you spell it), and the response of players. Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible. You can refine everything from mission drops for minerals, not that missioners don't get ganked, but certainly no where near the mining populous since missioners have actual tanking abilities. I'm certain indy corps would be against this, but on these forums, they are the 'minority' compared to the grievers. tl;dr what do you think? would gankers say no, since then they have to actually coordinate ganks against harder targets? PS yes, I have a hulk trained up including orca skills, havent and wont use them for a long while if ever again tbh. PSS no, I have never 'ganked' anyone in hi sec nor do i have the desire too.
Lipbite Express Hauler 49	Posted - 2012.05.27 21:58:00 - [2] - Quote Really - who need miners when there are so many meta1-3 items to re-process from missioners' activity? However I foresee "missiongeddons" coming in case of mining disappearance so there is no point to start messing with mining removal - most likely whining will never end in EVE.
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 234	Posted - 2012.05.27 21:58:00 - [3] - Quote not sure if serious... "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN.
Llywelyn Emrys School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 22	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:01:00 - [4] - Quote It's PPS, not PSS. PPS stands for "post-post script" in the same way that PS stands for "post script". Anyways, as far as this goes, why? People enjoy it. Smart miners have adapted to the constant ganking. Dumb ones have left. Smart miners get bigger profits as a result. A win-win for the EVE community, I think. And as far as missions being a primary source of minerals, it seems like CCP is going towards the removal of so-called 'gun mining, starting with the drone regions. Missions may be not far behind.
baltec1 1194	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:02:00 - [5] - Quote This got asked after the very first hulkageddon all those years ago and miners are still with us. I guess they must play a roll.
bongsmoke School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 46	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:02:00 - [6] - Quote look, this is about YOUR opinions, not starting fights/petitions. It is a serious question that I want to see what the community at large believes (yes, i know forums are minority). Everyone's opinion counts as much as anyone else's. But, I am curious to what people would think, would it break the game? gankers and indy corps unsub? mission carebears become the dominate roll.... You get the idea
Sentinel Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:03:00 - [7] - Quote Imagine how much mission loot you'd need to refine to build a Titan.. o_0
bongsmoke School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 46	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:04:00 - [8] - Quote Llywelyn Emrys wrote: It's PPS, not PSS. PPS stands for "post-post script" in the same way that PS stands for "post script". Anyways, as far as this goes, why? People enjoy it. Smart miners have adapted to the constant ganking. Dumb ones have left. Smart miners get bigger profits as a result. A win-win for the EVE community, I think. And as far as missions being a primary source of minerals, it seems like CCP is going towards the removal of so-called 'gun mining, starting with the drone regions. Missions may be not far behind. Thanks for the clarification, I love learning new things everyday. I enjoyed mining to a degree, granted when I am multitasking with work only, if I can focus on the game, I prefer to rat or pvp in null myself or scan down sites.
bongsmoke School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 46	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:05:00 - [9] - Quote Sentinel Smith wrote: Imagine how much mission loot you'd need to refine to build a Titan.. o_0 LOL I dont want to even think about that, granted cap ships even with all my years of playing, I have zero knowledge about. I am sure the amount of mining would be extreme, to put it mildly.
Mathias Hex 147	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:16:00 - [10] - Quote Ya I'm sure you can get a few mil trit easily from running a couple missions. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 908	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:19:00 - [11] - Quote bongsmoke wrote: Sentinel Smith wrote: Imagine how much mission loot you'd need to refine to build a Titan.. o_0 LOL I dont want to even think about that, granted cap ships even with all my years of playing, I have zero knowledge about. I am sure the amount of mining would be extreme, to put it mildly. Supercaps need tons of stuff, so yeah. Without all the trit from highsec and a good amount of nullsec renters mining stuff for highends, they'd cost a lot more. There's already tons of titans already though. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Virgil Travis GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 229	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:25:00 - [12] - Quote Not all miners are the clueless dolts we tend to see complaining about having their 300 mill untanked hulk blown up, they're just the ones who don't seem to ever learn much beyond how to activate a mining laser and haul their precious ore. There are miners out there who aren't evernoobs and actually bother to learn about how the rest of the game works, those are the ones who know how to take care of themselves and their ships. It's a shame that some people sign up for this game and do nothing but mine all day and never even seem to bother trying to learn other part of the game to figure out ways to defend themselves and their interests, they'd just rather bleat on the forums for CCP to protect them instead of actually getting of their backsides and doing something themselves like the ones who are actually capable of doing that. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 908	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:31:00 - [13] - Quote Virgil Travis wrote: It's a shame that some people sign up for this game and do nothing but mine all day and never even seem to bother trying to learn other part of the game to figure out ways to defend themselves and their interests, they'd just rather bleat on the forums for CCP to protect them instead of actually getting of their backsides and doing something themselves like the ones who are actually capable of doing that. It's more like the ones that don't whine are freeloading off the whiners because they also benefit from improved concord response time, buffs to hulks (if they occur as whined for) and other such bonuses, without having to type out long whine posts. Do your part, guys, whine in unison. From each according to his posting ability ! To each according to his yield vs tank tradeoff! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 688	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:35:00 - [14] - Quote I see dead people. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 908	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:37:00 - [15] - Quote Rico Minali wrote: I see dead people. Frozen corpses? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 256	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:43:00 - [16] - Quote Okay lets see now. The mineral market would have to be completely redone. The Ice Market would have to be completely redone. Hulkageedon would become a thing of the past. Gankers would be stuck with gate camping. And lets remove the following as well Rorqual, and all the Mining Barges/ Exhumers, and all associated items and BPO's The Orca could also be removed (there is an argument to keep it though but not much of one) I can't see one bit of this that would be good for anybody. By removing mining you are starting down a path of lets just remove all industry for the game. And that basically turns EVE into a FPS. And we all know how long FPS's last. So ummmmm NO.......
Shian Yang 213	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:45:00 - [17] - Quote bongsmoke wrote: Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible. You can refine everything from mission drops for minerals, not that missioners don't get ganked, but certainly no where near the mining populous since missioners have actual tanking abilities. Greetings capsuleer, I sincerely hope you never get a fly in your ship. Self destructing it would be gross overkill. Regards, Shian Yang P.S. That means I think you are looking at a small problem regarding tanking and surviving that miners seem to ignore at will that has been discussed at length and you're suggesting solving it by removing Mining. Overkill.
Romar Agent Ishukone Regional Headquarters 42	Posted - 2012.05.27 22:49:00 - [18] - Quote I mine, because I like mining. And what I like isn't dependent on something else being easier, more profitable or less risky. That's a personal opinion why it would make sense to not get rid of mining - some people might like it. Basically I don't see a need to remove that profession or any other profession within EVE. The more professions the more variety the bigger the sandbox. Third, how would you removing mining? Remove the mining skill and the whole skill groups? Take away the whole branch of well designed ORE vessels? I think there are more serious questions out there - like why-my-Tristan-doesn't-even-remotely-look-like-my-Nemesis,-while-my-Punisher-still-looks-like-my-Avenger...
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 971	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:02:00 - [19] - Quote bongsmoke wrote: I do not want to see this, but since the outcry of hulkaggedon(however you spell it), and the response of players. Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible. If they removed mining they'd remove the only stuff left in game that: - may be killed by the terribles who really believe they are PvPing and that an Hulk killmail is as good for a killboard as is having a carrier kill. - populates the forums. Apart from the current UI threads, the forums would be dead without miners crying and "PvPers" gloating over them. - populate hi sec. Without miners dying, all that would happen would be some suicide ganking at Uedama / Sivala etc. and some booooooring POS bashing. Basically EvE is so flat and boring that without some muppets to kill and pretend something is still going on, then people would realize all what's left to do is to go in 0.0... ... only to meet a NAP fest. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Surfin's PlunderBunny Hulkageddon Orphanage 1272	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:10:00 - [20] - Quote baltec1 wrote: This got asked after the very first hulkageddon all those years ago and miners are still with us. I guess they must play a roll. The targets that don't shoot back, a noble roll indeed

Price Check Aisle3 0	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:13:00 - [21] - Quote All miners must pay.
Virgil Travis GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated 229	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:26:00 - [22] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Virgil Travis wrote: It's a shame that some people sign up for this game and do nothing but mine all day and never even seem to bother trying to learn other part of the game to figure out ways to defend themselves and their interests, they'd just rather bleat on the forums for CCP to protect them instead of actually getting of their backsides and doing something themselves like the ones who are actually capable of doing that. It's more like the ones that don't whine are freeloading off the whiners because they also benefit from improved concord response time, buffs to hulks (if they occur as whined for) and other such bonuses, without having to type out long whine posts. Do your part, guys, whine in unison. From each according to his posting ability ! To each according to his yield vs tank tradeoff! This is true as well, those ones just keep their heads down hoping not to be noticed. Those that bother to accept that even though they may not actually be active combat pilots it still helps to understand the mechanics involved in order to protect themselves. To those others who don't want to or don't think they need to try and learn other parts of the game, my message to you is simple: just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean you have to bury your head in the sand. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone.
bongsmoke School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 48	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:27:00 - [23] - Quote Shian Yang wrote: bongsmoke wrote: Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible. You can refine everything from mission drops for minerals, not that missioners don't get ganked, but certainly no where near the mining populous since missioners have actual tanking abilities. Greetings capsuleer, I sincerely hope you never get a fly in your ship. Self destructing it would be gross overkill. Regards, Shian Yang P.S. That means I think you are looking at a small problem regarding tanking and surviving that miners seem to ignore at will that has been discussed at length and you're suggesting solving it by removing Mining. Overkill. could not agree with you more, honestly. I suppose the question is, what (if anything) can we do to either make it more lucrative for miners having one of the most dangerous professions. I played this game for almost 8 years, never been ganked in anything but a hulk (only once) and I was not afk either. The payout for what I was mining sucks, yes prices went up, but still sucks if you compare it to other professions. Maybe remove hi sec mining, or buff exhumers tanks, or add expensive new asteriods to mine. Somehow I feel its broken, and the only reason to do it, is simply to multitask while doing other activities.
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 799	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:49:00 - [24] - Quote Get rid of mission runners as well as they are constantly ganked as well and as every nullsec boy will tell you . Level 4 missions are for chumps I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
bongsmoke School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 48	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:51:00 - [25] - Quote Virgil Travis wrote: Not all miners are the clueless dolts we tend to see complaining about having their 300 mill untanked hulk blown up, they're just the ones who don't seem to ever learn much beyond how to activate a mining laser and haul their precious ore. There are miners out there who aren't evernoobs and actually bother to learn about how the rest of the game works, those are the ones who know how to take care of themselves and their ships. It's a shame that some people sign up for this game and do nothing but mine all day and never even seem to bother trying to learn other part of the game to figure out ways to defend themselves and their interests, they'd just rather bleat on the forums for CCP to protect them instead of actually getting of their backsides and doing something themselves like the ones who are actually capable of doing that. You know, honestly, nothing in your post I can disagree with. When I was ganked in my hulk I didnt emo or rage on the forums, I did ***** at my friends thought about it. Point is, it did teach me an important lesson in both, yes dont fit for max mining or hauling, but max tank itself. I was a mission runner long before a miner, and the expensive hulk loss was a lesson that taught me to tank instead. Learning that saved me 3 or 4 more attempts on my 2nd hulk being ganked. It also curbed my reason for mining. If I have more of a chance in dying mining, why not just mission instead? Level 4 missions gave lot more reward than mining in a hulk and less chance of being ganked. Reason I wondered about why even have mining profession, or least way we could bring it up to par with the other activities.
bongsmoke School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 48	Posted - 2012.05.28 00:56:00 - [26] - Quote Karn Dulake wrote: Get rid of mission runners as well as they are constantly ganked as well and as every nullsec boy will tell you . Level 4 missions are for chumps Only mission runners i know that have been ganked, was because they had pith A equipment all over their ship and was very opportune for the gankers to make some money. Ganking a mission ship, takes a lot more coordination than ganking a mining barge/exhumer. Sure 8 or 10 torp ravens could gank a 6 or 7 billion golem at a heavy price, usually its miners for grief or transports for cargo. Or even worst, a 6 or 7 billion tengu getting ganked by 7 or 8 hurricanes. Mission gankers are the low end of the totem pole. When 5000 golems/cnr/sni start getting ganked, I wonder what truely would happen to the game at that point. But this is off topic and perhaps you could start a thread about it.
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 799	Posted - 2012.05.28 01:04:00 - [27] - Quote bongsmoke wrote: Karn Dulake wrote: Get rid of mission runners as well as they are constantly ganked as well and as every nullsec boy will tell you . Level 4 missions are for chumps Only mission runners i know that have been ganked, was because they had pith A equipment all over their ship and was very opportune for the gankers to make some money. Ganking a mission ship, takes a lot more coordination than ganking a mining barge/exhumer. Sure 8 or 10 torp ravens could gank a 6 or 7 billion golem at a heavy price, usually its miners for grief or transports for cargo. Or even worst, a 6 or 7 billion tengu getting ganked by 7 or 8 hurricanes. Mission gankers are the low end of the totem pole. When 5000 golems/cnr/sni start getting ganked, I wonder what truely would happen to the game at that point. But this is off topic and perhaps you could start a thread about it. I should really invoke Poe's law on this one. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
No More Heroes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 274	Posted - 2012.05.28 01:04:00 - [28] - Quote Thousands of miners are completely unaffected and can't be arsed to even think twice about Hulkageddon. Why? Because they tank their ships, they don't mine afk and have have a modicum of common sense. So no, this 'great outcry' from miners is nothing but a hundred or so bad players/ forum warriors. Life goes on. .
bongsmoke School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 48	Posted - 2012.05.28 01:07:00 - [29] - Quote Quote: I should really invoke Poe's law on this one Sorry, could you clarify for me please?
Ginseng Jita Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 333	Posted - 2012.05.28 01:08:00 - [30] - Quote @bongsmoke If you are seriously worried about the ganking of miners go around and educated them on how to properly tank their ships. Most of the miners getting popped have zero - no tank on their ships at all. The mods and rigs they do put on removes armor! Not smart. A well tanked ship will be looked over by a solo ganker and if the miner is in a well tanked ship and it requires a decent sized gank team many of them are left alone. BTW if you look at the killboards you'll see that the ships being ganked 90% of the time have just a wee bit over 1000 ehp. A volley from a catalyst or a thrasher is all it takes to pop one. That is insanely silly. Tank your ship and you'll be less likely to attract the attention of a ganker.



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