Thousands of miners are completely unaffected and can't be arsed to even think twice about Hulkageddon. Why? Because they tank their ships, they don't mine afk and have have a modicum of common sense. So no, this 'great outcry' from miners is nothing but a hundred or so bad players/ forum warriors.

Life goes on.

@bongsmoke

If you are seriously worried about the ganking of miners go around and educated them on how to properly tank their ships. Most of the miners getting popped have zero - no tank on their ships at all. The mods and rigs they do put on removes armor! Not smart. A well tanked ship will be looked over by a solo ganker and if the miner is in a well tanked ship and it requires a decent sized gank team many of them are left alone.

BTW if you look at the killboards you'll see that the ships being ganked 90% of the time have just a wee bit over 1000 ehp. A volley from a catalyst or a thrasher is all it takes to pop one. That is insanely silly. Tank your ship and you'll be less likely to attract the attention of a ganker.

I do not want to see this, but since the outcry of hulkaggedon(however you spell it), and the response of players.

Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible. You can refine everything from mission drops for minerals, not that missioners don't get ganked, but certainly no where near the mining populous since missioners have actual tanking abilities.

I'm certain indy corps would be against this, but on these forums, they are the 'minority' compared to the grievers.

To make sure I understand, do you posit that removing the miners, the sole source of minerals then becomes reprocessed garbage?

The amount of minerals needed to build would have to be completely rebuilt and re-balanced as would the way those materials are generated. And the way that players have put points in those skills would need to be addressed. And the way that current players have built fits would have to be addressed.

And at the end of the day CCP would have to decide how it feels about the cost to the player base. My guess is that they cant afford to take the hit to the cash cow with the golden milk.

Even with max skills and the best possible tank you can fix on a hulk(T2 wise), a single max skilled hurricane and blow him/her out of space in .5 space including overheating systems.

Thousands of miners are completely unaffected and can't be arsed to even think twice about Hulkageddon. Why? Because they tank their ships, they don't mine afk and have have a modicum of common sense. So no, this 'great outcry' from miners is nothing but a hundred or so bad players/ forum warriors.

Life goes on.

Right. See...you do not want to be a part of the solution, just part of the gang that whines. Oh and even the best fit hurricane cannot solo pop a well tanked hulk. in .5 -- just isn't going to happen. You're good at whining though. So keep it up.

I've got several hulks that I mine with.

In nullsec.

I do not want to see this, but since the outcry of hulkaggedon(however you spell it), and the response of players.

Do we really need this profession? Miners seem to be the primary targets in hi/low/null sec by other players, the rewards compared to any other profession are terrible. You can refine everything from mission drops for minerals, not that missioners don't get ganked, but certainly no where near the mining populous since missioners have actual tanking abilities.

I'm certain indy corps would be against this, but on these forums, they are the 'minority' compared to the grievers.

tl;dr what do you think? would gankers say no, since then they have to actually coordinate ganks against harder targets?

PS yes, I have a hulk trained up including orca skills, havent and wont use them for a long while if ever again tbh.

PSS no, I have never 'ganked' anyone in hi sec nor do i have the desire too.

look, this is about YOUR opinions, not starting fights/petitions. It is a serious question that I want to see what the community at large believes (yes, i know forums are minority). Everyone's opinion counts as much as anyone else's. But, I am curious to what people would think, would it break the game? gankers and indy corps unsub? mission carebears become the dominate roll....

You get the idea

Are u a goon alt ? Either way your acting like a goon total moron!! Game is built around mining, take it out and the game collapses. Geez even hardcore PVPers would have to mine then and I'm sure they would love it. HeHeHe

There is nothing wrong with mining, it's AFK/Bot HS mining that's an issue.
Mining in null/WHs is decently profitable.

Please don't fly glass cannons (Ships designed for one purpose at the complete lack and disregard of safety and tank).

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/spurty/Hulk-Done-Right.jpg

took me 3 minutes to dream up this and it's got a shield booster on it.

Replace with a different mod and add in an awake logistics buddy or 3 and see if this modest life-style change has any affect on at the very least, the number and types of ships gankers have to invest in to get the job done.

Stop moaning, start planning

cough arkonor lol

The problem is it isn't worth the isk/hr for you to mine with 3 of your buddies in logi. It isn't even worth the isk/hr for you to mine, unless you're doing it without effort (afk/botting). And it's that way because of botting.

I have only recently begun mining. I have also dabbled in the past with trying to see what it was like to be an Ore Thief. Both I had found to be somewhat interesting.

@ OP

Instead of removing miners I would suggest making some changes. Some have already happend with Inferno.

1. Drones now drop scrap metal and pay bounties. No more of those mineral rich alloys.

2. Miners need to be forced to actively mine. AFK mining should be eliminated. Here are my suggestions:

Allow for a small chance to "find" a rare mineral or alloy while mining all ores. However, the only way to extract the rare mineral is to actively remove it during a short time period (30 seconds). This would reward active miners and deny afk miners the same opportunity. Make these rare minerals / alloys only available from mining, and not from refining.

While mining an asteroid, there can also be a critical failure or surprise outcome from mining. An asteroid could release some sort of explosion, radiation wave, or even a dormant drone or space creature (alla Earth and Beyond). Obvously, prolonged exposure to the disaster could destroy the ship. This would aslo keep a miner active and punish the AFK miner.

These two ideas would not only make mining more fun, but it would give greater profits and punish AFK miners as well.

I'd respond but that might indicate that I care.

I hate 0.0 players and the general mentality that has pervaded Eve Online.

I liked space mining. LIked building... pvp was the worst aspect but somehow people consider it the best.

Ya I'm sure you can get a few mil trit easily from running a couple missions.